Network management is becoming more complex with the strong convergence movement that is blending IP networks and traditional telephone networks. Each of these communities has its own management concepts and technology standards. IP networks use SNMP almost exclusively while traditional telephone networks are primarily focused on TMN (Telecommunication Management Network) and associated protocols. The aim of this BOF is to help acquaint the IETF community with TMN concepts and technologies and to explore how the capabilities provided by both sets of concepts and technologies can be accommodated in the converged networks of the future. ITU-T SG4 representatives will present to the IETF Network Management community the TMN framework and technologies, including its work plan for the integrated management of hybrid circuit/packet/IP networks and how SNMP fits into the TMN framework. There is also a Q&A and some time to discuss the TMN framework and the TMN/SNMP and ITU-T/IETF relationships. This exchange of viewpoints should give us all a better understanding of the different approaches to (System and) Network Management. At the same time we can possibly identify some joint work items that may need follow up and/or further study.