Subject: RE: Digital Bill of Rights? (Re: Monitoring, Flow Stats)

From: Mitch Denny <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:13:54 +1000

Bob,

You continiously quote your "Digital Bill of Rights",
and document which your developed.  Its like a university
student citing his own work without backup from external
sources.

Stop trying to ram your document down our
throats, we are sick of hearing from a roudy minority of
cyber-kooks that keep promoting their own
inbred ideas and concepts without being able
to stand back and look at the larger pictures.

This is akin to jumping off the cliff because
the established culture is keeping a safe distance
from the edge.

Cheers,

Mitch Denny
[email-masked]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Allisat [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 06:04
> To: Christopher Neill
> Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Digital Bill of Rights? (Re: Monitoring, Flow Stats)
> 
> 
> I, Bob Allisat, wrote:
> >  If every ISP has the same AUP then every citizen
> >  is forced under duress by a cartel of interests
> >  into violating their own human rights, freedom
> >  of expression and civil liberties. So fuck your
> >  Acceptable Policies! What we need is a Digital
> >  Bill of Rights <http://fcn.net> to over-ride
> >  these sinister commercial carte blanche policies
> >  and protect us from bastards...
> >
> > From the "Digital Bill of Rights":
>   The right to uncensored, free, and uncontrolled communications
>   to and from unmoderated, public areas.
> 
> Christopher Neill writes:
> + Define "public", please.
> 
>  Collins defines it as all of the below. You probably limit 
>  the definition to a partial understanding of item 5. That is
>  your perogative. The people who drafted the Digital Bill of
>  Rights (myself among them) intended this document to be quite
>  inclusive not limiting. Public is a broad term that includes
>  many areas corporations and commercially motivated individuals
>  like to define as private.
> 
> Collins English Dictionary:
> *   Public: 1. of, relating to, or concerning the people
> *   as a whole. 2. open or accessible to all: public gardens.
> *   3. performed or made openly or in the view of all: public 
> *   proclaimation. 4. (prenominal) well-known or familiar to
> *   people in general: a public figure. 5. (usually prenominal)
> *   maintained at the expense of, serving, or for the use of
> *   a community: a public library. 6. open, acknowledged or
> *   notorious: a public scandal. 7. go public. (of a private
> *   company) to issue shares for subscription by the public.
> *   ~n. 8. the community or people in general. 9. a part or
> *   section of the community grouped because of a common
> *   interest, activity, etc.: the racing public. [ C15: from
> *   Latin publicus, changed from poplicus of the people, from
> *   populus people ]
> 
>  Bob Allisat
> 
>  Free Community Network _ [email-masked]
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