Subject: Re: IESG Response to JFC Morfin's appeal regarding suspension of posting privileges to the ietf-languages mailing list

From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 04:02:14 +0000

I don't think there was one member of this list who needed to read this IESG announcement to know what they would decide.  I don't think that speaks much for the integrity of the decision.
nick
-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: IESG Secretary <[email-masked]> 

> The IESG has received a request (see 
> http://www.ietf.org/IESG/APPEALS/morfin-appeal-ietf-languages-list.txt) 
> from JFC Morfin to overturn the suspension of his posting privileges to the 
> ietf-languages mailing list. Since this appeal is similar in one critical aspect 
> to a previous appeal overturned by the IAB for the lack of IESG explanation, 
> this appeal will describe in more detail the process by which the IESG reached 
> its conclusion. 
> 
> The IETF's procedures are aimed at a fundamental goal of making the 
> standards process work, but they will never cover every possible 
> circumstance. Where there is no enumerated procedure, the traditional 
> practice of the IETF and the reasonable application of good sense 
> is expected for managing situations. If that were not permitted, the 
> IETF would grind to a halt in process discussions. 
> 
> There is no enumerated procedure at this point for managing non-WG mailing 
> lists. That may change in the future, but until it does list managers must 
> be guided by traditional IETF practice and by their responsibility to 
> manage the lists in the interest of the IETF's fundamental goals. 
> In this instance, Harald Alvestrand set out a process by which he would 
> manage the ietf-languages list. He did so publicly, in advance of the 
> application of that process, and by pointing to a documented process 
> which had achieved IETF consensus as a model. 
> 
> The IESG believes that this was a reasonable way to achieve the 
> goals of following the traditional practice of the IETF and judging 
> what actions would be considered reasonable by the community. 
> 
> After reviewing the list traffic leading up to this suspension, the 
> IESG upholds the suspension of J-F. C. Morfin from the IETF languages list, as 
> we concur with the judgement of its list manager. 
> 
> To clarify two additional points raised by this appeal, the IESG 
> confirms that the list [email-masked] and the 
> [email-masked] are equivalent, as 
> one is simply a redirect of the other. This mailing list practice 
> does not affect the role the list plays in the IETF. We also confirm that the 
> IETF language reviewer remains Michael Everson. 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> IETF-Announce mailing list 
> [email-masked] 
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce 

_______________________________________________
Ietf mailing list
[email-masked]
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf