Subject: RE: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]

From: "Gray, Eric" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:25:13 -0400

Harald,

	Especially this simile.

	The way I read this draft, it suggests that the IETF in general
has found the choice between fixed length suspensions and indefinite
suspension altogether too restraining.  The explicit wording of the 2
paragraphs of substantive text is that the IESG was implicitly allowed
to use progressively longer suspensions for repeat offenders - prior 
to our arriving at the present combination of implicit and explicit 
interpretations of existing documents - and suggests that a return to
this model is actually better in the short term than a continuation 
of the current highly controversial and inneffective situation.

	I can - by no stretch of the imagination - make this conform to
your weather analogy.  The current situation is felt by many to be
worse than the previous situation.  Even if there is a proposal on
the table right now that seems likely to be better than either, it 
still makes sense to revert to the previous situation as soon as we
can possibly do so.

--
Eric

--> -----Original Message-----
--> From: Harald Alvestrand [mailto:[email-masked]] 
--> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 5:23 PM
--> To: Frank Ellermann
--> Cc: [email-masked]
--> Subject: Re: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-carpenter-rescind-3683-00.txt]
--> 
--> Frank Ellermann wrote:
--> > Harald Alvestrand wrote:
--> >
--> >   
--> >> Don't throw away the umbrella because you're buying a
--> >> raincoat next week. It's still raining.
--> >>     
--> >
--> > If the "umbrella" is Sam's experiment, and the "raincoat" 
--> > Brian's draft, then the latter didn't propose to throw
--> > away the former.  Are you talking about something else ?
--> >   
--> 3683 = umbrella against a hail of messages
--> Long term suspensions under draft-hartman = raincoat
--> 
--> Brian's draft = "throwing away".
--> 
--> Similes are hard....
--> 
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