Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt> (IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures) to Best Current Practice

From: Michael StJohns <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:44:15 -0500

Has either or both of the ISOC and IETF trust lawyers reviewed this, especially section 5?  If so, would you please provide the written evaluation that indicates they see no issue with respect to IETF liability should the Ombudsman actually attempt to exclude someone from the face to face or online sessions?

I'm still in great opposition to this document  as I believe Section 5 provides too broad a palate of "remedies" without appropriate checks and balances on the system.   It's unclear that what actual recourse the IETF has if the target of the remedies simply chooses to ignore the directions of the OBs.

I would not publish it in its current form and would never publish it without appropriate documented professional review ideally by both legal and HR experts.  Since this is targeted for a BCP, the supporting documentation needs to be part of the approval package.

Later, Mike

At 10:22 AM 1/16/2015, The IESG wrote:

>The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider
>the following document:
>- 'IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures'
>  <draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt> as Best Current Practice
>
>The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
>final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
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>Abstract
>
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>   IETF Participants must not engage in harassment while at IETF
>   meetings, virtual meetings, social events, or on mailing lists.  This
>   document lays out procedures for managing and enforcing this policy.
>
>   This document updates RFC 2418.
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>The file can be obtained via
>http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrresnickel-harassment/
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>IESG discussion can be tracked via
>http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrresnickel-harassment/ballot/
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>No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.