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All,

I set the LiveMeeting to run from 3:30 to 5:30 EST to = be sure it is available throughout the IPP teleconference( 4:00 to 5:00 EST). =

Attendee URL: <https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id= =3D37KS9W&role=3Dattend&pw=3DpJ%26%5B6J%25nX>

 =

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 


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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 1 08:23:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F46528C428 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 08:23:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.166 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.166 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.433, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Khc3GZiOM8QC for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 08:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B99D28C427 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 08:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2344F7AB8E; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:22:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF68B7AB84 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so2525895fxm.31 for ; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:22:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=f7HsqrZvz/3OhW4tuKUMVZIL96lmE7ZfTWGkdrYUh1M=; b=ffG0hCV2X9h0ejvrIob0ZVamBXTXZK1GC1PSAGLA7oLqSMs0RnQ/vfTNekk2l4xIUL Ct78XLt5jF2VQVjp6aPdf0hO30dB9v/vFEDXk/rYNGo4CJ7q7+e9ECHWzDqmLVvk9XG3 JHwP2TJZlvG6I4I/s9xLKMqYiiiQdkd258HDk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=FM/Fsw11ZaA7ClpNJQ140uX7ReGR0uFjIXHMgej+59xMGBYvnqSqzc3F+ZLIddx+aj 4ANqYX/eQIyErC4Czti9wJ/b9E9onWyZL+5XyoUJrEfv4rNg9riB7K7kwdv4yQJA6Z69 RSaTORxf3M1bca+IdUWSXozXvWWtrqI/tuntE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.4.135 with SMTP id 7mr5265729far.42.1267460547178; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:22:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:22:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: ipp@pwg.org, Michael R Sweet , Tom Hastings , Paul Tykodi , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] [Revised] IPP Agenda - 4pm EST Monday 1 March 2010 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 2344F7AB8E.93516 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi, [Added Tom's latest JPS2 draft, IPP Everywhere Project charter, and Live Meeting link] Reminder of our next IPP WG call: Monday 1 March - 1pm PST / 4pm EST Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request. Live Meeting link for attendees (thanks Pete): https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=37KS9W&role=attend&pw=pJ%26%5B6J%25nX Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker - Mike? (2) Approve IPP minutes from last meeting - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20100210.pdf (3) Prototype Results on IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom, Mike, Pete) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/prototyping/jps2-prototyping-apple-20100209.pdf - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/prototyping/jps2-prototyping-Xerox.pdf (4) Review IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/ wd-ippjobprinterext10-v18-20100228-rev.pdf (5) Report on IANA updates to IPP Registry (Ira/Mike) - waiting for next steps from Michelle Cotton (IANA) (6) Review IPP/2.0 Second Edition (Ira/Mike) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226.pdf (7) Review IPP Everywhere Project charter (Ira/Mike) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100228.pdf (8) Next Steps - Next IPP WG Call - 15 March Cheers, - Ira (IPP co-editor) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 1 09:41:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9831D28C11B for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:41:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JnW+M6NHcwaw for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:41:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2086528C0FF for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:41:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A560F7AB93; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 12:40:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Delivered-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Received: from mail-out4.apple.com (mail-out4.apple.com [17.254.13.23]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142117AB92 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 12:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay14.apple.com (relay14.apple.com [17.128.113.52]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070238E7A1B0 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:40:42 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807134-b7cd9ae000001002-1a-4b8bfc19970b Received: from msweet.apple.com (msweet.apple.com [17.197.41.43]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 1E.D5.04098.91CFB8B4; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:40:41 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Sweet Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:40:41 -0800 To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1137) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1137) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [Pwg-Announce] August 2010 PWG F2F Meeting Survey X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0263133900==" Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: A560F7AB93.DFE7B X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org --===============0263133900== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--752251113 --Apple-Mail-1--752251113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, The August 2010 PWG face-to-face meeting is currently scheduled from August= 3rd to the 5th in Bagsvaerd, Denmark, hosted by MPI Tech. This week was ch= osen since it follows the the IETF summer meeting (July 25-30) in Maastrich= t, Netherlands. Due to the location, we also need to determine if sufficient members will b= e able to attend and are asking for your response before April 6, 2010. You can complete the survey (all of five questions including your name and = company) online at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/V8F2RNJ Thank you! ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Apple-Mail-1--752251113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii All,

Th= e August 2010 PWG face-to-face meeting is currently scheduled from August 3= rd to the 5th in Bagsvaerd, Denmark, hosted by MPI Tech. This week was= chosen since it follows the the IETF summer meeting (July 25-30) in Maastr= icht, Netherlands.

Due to the location, we also need to determine if= sufficient members will be able to attend and are asking for your response= before April 6, 2010.

You can complete the survey (= all of five questions including your name and company) online at:

Th= ank you!

__________________________________________________________= ______________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PW= G Chair






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I'= ve posted the minutes for today's IPP conference call here:

<= /div>

We spent all of o= ur time reviewing the JPS2 changes. We will finish out review of those chan= ges along with IPP/2.0 Second Edition and the IPP Everywhere charter at the= next conference call (March 15th).

Please let me = know if I missed anything or spelled anyone's name wrong... :)
_______________________________________________________________= _________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Cha= ir






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We weren't able to finish all our agenda topics during today's IPP WG teleconference. ACTION - All IPP WG members - please send email feedback to the IPP WG mailing list within the next 2 weeks on: * IPP JPS2 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v18-20100228-rev.pdf * IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226.pdf * IPP Everywhere Project Charter - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100228.pdf Cheers, - Ira (IPP co-editor) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 1 14:26:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1883A8B6B for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:26:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W45R+hrSNRzA for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:26:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61323A883E for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292F17ABA8; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:26:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA437ABA1 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from FamilyRoom ([unknown] [173.60.202.216]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KYM00AU2JN0I5J3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for ipp@pwg.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:25:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Tom Hastings" To: "'Ira McDonald'" , , "'Michael R Sweet'" , "'Paul Tykodi'" References: <25A969FB55A5428EAE45B8D8206E3F65@FamilyRoom> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:25:48 -0800 Message-id: <1149D37D4AD540FD86EE004ADD8D254A@FamilyRoom> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-index: Acq4qHdbjxASfsmhQU6YB/1085tx8QAZUFKQAB/SxbA= In-reply-to: <25A969FB55A5428EAE45B8D8206E3F65@FamilyRoom> X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] v19 of Job and Printer Extensions - Set 2 (JPS2) uploaded with edits made during the IPP WG meeting, 3/1/2010 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tom.hastings@alum.mit.edu List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1046299311==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 292F17ABA8.AADBB X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1046299311== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0502_01CAB94B.16C18EF0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0502_01CAB94B.16C18EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I uploaded what we were able to get through at the Ipp WG meeting, 3/1/2010. I changed red ISSUE comments to green ISSUE as we went along. We stopped in the middle of reviewing Section 7.4 "job-delay-output-until" Job Template attribute. We will continue in two weeks. However, please send email comments in the meantime, so that we can speed up the review. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v19-20100301-rev.doc ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v19-20100301-rev.pdf Thanks, Tom -----Original Message----- From: Tom Hastings [mailto:tom.hastings@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 23:14 To: 'Ira McDonald'; ipp@pwg.org; 'Michael R Sweet'; 'Tom Hastings'; 'Paul Tykodi' Subject: v18 of Job and Printer Extensions - Set 2 (JPS2) uploaded for IPP WG meeting, 3/1/2010 I uploaded v18 of JPS2. Unfortunately, I downloaded a new version of Filezilla which seems to have a date bug, so the date of the files are 2009, not 2010, so a sort by modified date does not show them where you would expect in 2010: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v18-20100228-rev.doc ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v18-20100228-rev.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v18-20100228.doc ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v18-20100228.pdf Here is the change history: Edits made according to agreement reached at the IPP WG face to face meeting, February 10, 2010. 1. Section 5.3 Close-Job Operation: Added REQUIRED Close-Job operation. 2. Section 7.4 job-delay-output-until (type3 keyword | name(MAX)): Added the OPTIONAL "job-delay-output-until" (type3 keyword | name(MAX)), "job-delay-output-until-default" (type3 keyword | name(MAX)), and "job-delay-output-until-supported" (1setOf type3 keyword | name(MAX)) Job Template attributes. 3. Section 7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (dateTime): Added the OPTIONAL "job-delay-output-until-time" (dateTime) and "job-delay-output-until-time" (rangeOfInteger(0:MAX)) Job Template attributes. -----Original Message----- From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:02 To: ipp@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Tom Hastings; Paul Tykodi; Ira McDonald Subject: IPP Agenda - 4pm EST Monday 1 March 2010 Hi, [Corrected links in agenda item 3] Reminder of our next IPP WG call: [Live Meeting if Pete Zehler can host one - watch your mail] Monday 1 March - 1pm PST / 4pm EST Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request. Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker - Mike? (2) Approve IPP minutes from last meeting - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20100210.pdf (3) Prototype Results on IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom, Mike, Pete) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/prototyping/jps2-prototyping-apple-20100209.pd f - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/prototyping/jps2-prototyping-Xerox.pdf (4) Status of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v17-20100125-clean.pd f (or later draft) (5) Report on IANA updates to IPP Registry (Ira/Mike) - waiting for next steps from Michelle Cotton (IANA) (6) IPP/2.0 Second Edition (Ira/Mike) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226.pdf (7) Next Steps - Next IPP WG Call - 15 March Cheers, - Ira (IPP co-editor) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_NextPart_000_0502_01CAB94B.16C18EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I uploaded what we were able to get through at the Ipp WG meeting, 3/1/2010.  I changed red ISSUE comments to green ISSUE as we went along.  We stopped in the middle of reviewing Section 7.4 "job-delay-output-until" Job Template attribute.  We will continue in two weeks.  However, please send email comments in the meantime, so that we can speed up the review.

 

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v19-201003= 01-rev.doc

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v19-201003= 01-rev.pdf

 

Thanks,

Tom

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hastings [mailto:tom.hastings@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 23:14
To: 'Ira McDonald'; ipp@pwg.org; 'Michael R Sweet'; 'Tom Hastings'; 'Paul Tykodi'
Subject: v18 of Job and Printer Extensions - Set 2 (JPS2) uploaded for IPP = WG meeting, 3/1/2010

 

I uploaded v18 of JPS2.  Unfortunately, I downloaded a new ver= sion of

Filezilla which seems to have a date bug, so the date of the files = are 2009,

not 2010, so a sort by modified date does not show them where you w= ould

expect in 2010:

 

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v18-20100228= -rev.doc

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v18-20100228= -rev.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v18-20100228= .doc

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v18-20100228= .pdf

 

Here is the change history:

 

Edits made according to agreement reached at the IPP WG face to fac= e

meeting, February 10, 2010.

 

1.    Section 5.3 Close-Job Operation: Added REQUIRED Close-Job operation.

 

2.    Section 7.4 job-delay-output-until (type3 keyw= ord | name(MAX)):

Added the OPTIONAL "job-delay-output-until" (type3 keywor= d | name(MAX)),

"job-delay-output-until-default" (type3 keyword | name(MA= X)), and

"job-delay-output-until-supported" (1setOf type3 keyword | name(MAX)) Job

Template attributes.

 

3.    Section 7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (dateTime):  Added the

OPTIONAL "job-delay-output-until-time" (dateTime) and

"job-delay-output-until-time" (rangeOfInteger(0:MAX)) Job Template

attributes.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:02

To: ipp@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Tom Hastings; Paul Tykodi; Ira McDonald

Subject: IPP Agenda - 4pm EST Monday 1 March 2010=

 

Hi,

 

[Corrected links in agenda item 3]

 

Reminder of our next IPP WG call:

 

 [Live Meeting if Pete Zehler can host one - watch your mail]<= o:p>

 

 Monday 1 March - 1pm PST / 4pm EST

 

 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239

 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)

 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)=

 

 Attendee Access Code: *******#

 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

 

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.

 

 

Agenda:

 

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker

 - Mike?

 

(2) Approve IPP minutes from last meeting<= /p>

 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-201= 00210.pdf

 

(3) Prototype Results on IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom, Mike,

Pete)

 -

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/prototyping/jps2-prototyping-apple-20= 100209.pd

f

 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/prototyping/jps2-prototyping-= Xerox.pdf

 

(4) Status of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom)<= /span>

-

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v17-20100125= -clean.pd

f

 (or later draft)

 

(5) Report on IANA updates to IPP Registry (Ira/Mike)

- waiting for next steps from Michelle Cotton (IANA)

 

(6) IPP/2.0 Second Edition (Ira/Mike)

- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226.pdf=

 

(7) Next Steps

 - Next IPP WG Call - 15 March

 

 

Cheers,

- Ira (IPP co-editor)

 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)

Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<= /p>

Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG

IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB

Blue Roof Music/High North Inc

http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic=

http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc<= /p>

mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com

winter:

  579 Park Pl= ace  Saline, MI  48176

  734-944-0094

summer:

  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839

  906-494-2434


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Mike - for the F2F minutes attendees add "Gail Giansiracusa (Kyocera)". Cheers, - Ira On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > All, > > I've posted the minutes for today's IPP conference call here: > =A0=A0 =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-2010030= 1.pdf > > We spent all of our time reviewing the JPS2 changes. We will finish out > review of those changes along with IPP/2.0 Second Edition and the IPP > Everywhere charter at the next conference call (March 15th). > > Please let me know if I missed anything or spelled anyone's name wrong...= :) > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From viols96@hexgo.com Mon Mar 1 14:32:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEE328C1DA; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:32:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -82.644 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-82.644 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_FAKE_RCVD_LINE_B=5.777, HELO_EQ_PL=1.135, HOST_EQ_PL=1.95, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5w22opju57VU; 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Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:40:24 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807130-b7b0aae00000102c-9a-4b8c42582491 Received: from msweet.apple.com (msweet.apple.com [17.197.41.43]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay11.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 66.24.04140.8524C8B4; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:40:24 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1137) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael Sweet In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:40:24 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9BE9ABF7-5B7A-4E7F-B5BD-D7E56CA1F368@apple.com> References: To: Ira McDonald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1137) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 February 2010) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 78AC57ABB5.A9954 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org On Feb 28, 2010, at 3:57 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I've just posted an Initial working draft of IPP Everywhere Project Chart= er > for review tomorrow during our IPP WG teleconference at: >=20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100228.pdf / = doc > - with line numbers and all proposed milestone dates >=20 > The content is derived from Mike's IPP Everywhere BOF slides at our > recent PWG face-to-face meeting on 10 February 2010. Since we didn't get a chance to go over this in today's conference call, my= comments: 1. Line 39, IPP Everywhere Profiles - I don't think we want to define multi= ple conformance levels; instead, we want to define a single conformance lev= el (basically somewhere between 2.0 and 2.1 - call it 2.05 :) with the bits= that are necessary to support printing from any client. 2. Lines 36 and 39 - since we are only defining a single conformance level,= maybe we don't want two separate standards documents (extensions + profile= ) but instead a single combined document? 3. Line 45, OSS-2 - we have already identified one potential new format (ra= ster), and we may also find that we want to define a proper subset of PDF w= ith just the parts needed for printing, so we shouldn't rule them out as IP= P Everywhere work (although it may ultimately make more sense to push that = work in other forums, e.g. IETF RFCs or ISO standards) 4. Line 48, OSS-4 - if we do one spec instead of two (see #2 above), then t= his will need to be removed. 5. Line 58, OBJ-5 - the optimization is not just for the clients. 6. Line 59, OBJ-6 - Pete had mentioned defining a Semantic Model document t= hat could be used as the basis of the IPP transport mapping as well as futu= re transports; it seems backwards to define the semantic model from the tra= nsport mapping... 7. Lines 68, 69, 70 - Push back 1 quarter since this puts all of the IPP Ev= erywhere work on top of the final IPP/2.0 and JPS2 work; better to make sur= e we have those right (and maybe even some good testing completed) than to = have to juggle it all at once to meet the deadline. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 1 15:02:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2798728C18D for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:02:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.217, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K3F-bMrEuOeG for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF6328C0D0 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A9A7ABBF; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 18:02:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61B87ABBE for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 18:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so2960684fxm.31 for ; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:02:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OWAIE53iwDHgD1IrfP+KUsx0jEHeVsedNxDyGIVdNMQ=; b=cXSp1bmN8ZnMPI/xYb54uwTqBmCbw40INjSIpUFzfbU5J6xLUbrgZI0VgbDQ9GQNvj ajRq00NNguJxKVnVGScmQos1m+54nCDMKA3QprSyybZH8qAzgoexH0op8fIBVYQXKoE6 QMJkats/lYFhxOjziepnpcEhr6vouXsXVP6Bo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Qj1L1dlobxxEAVTLJPXBkdPP7bInIqGJz7qJVhgNR74L0ktUmuwHvT8f5PPvScRpHH RADCqDVzdOD4q2Z//RV2RZGdbpkPCYeeYtU3rvOzlSwD/2/5MxSEOVogX0h76AmWCSY5 86iJDYB7+Frt6ubDTWkmx0HXrCo3gjJgwVKpY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.4.145 with SMTP id 17mr5779588far.17.1267484516015; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:01:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 18:01:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: ipp@pwg.org, Michael R Sweet , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 February 2010) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 42A9A7ABBF.A9382 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Mike, Thanks for all these comments - I just skimmed them. But, if we want (and we had concensus) to get the "low hanging fruit first" in IPP Everywhere, then we certainly want 2 or more conformance levels eventually - therefore, we need to start that way. And while we could roll these together, I suspect that the correct solution to Printer MIB visibility is the original proposal in late 1990's - to whit, a first-class Device object - way too much different content to bury in one IPP Job spec that's partly profiles of discovery and document format requirements. IPP/2.0 does NOT define any attributes or operations. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Ira McDonald wro= te: > Hi, > > I've just posted an Initial working draft of IPP Everywhere Project Chart= er > for review tomorrow during our IPP WG teleconference at: > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100228.pdf / = doc > - with line numbers and all proposed milestone dates > > The content is derived from Mike's IPP Everywhere BOF slides at our > recent PWG face-to-face meeting on 10 February 2010. > > Cheers, > - Ira (IPP co-editor) > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 > =A0734-944-0094 > summer: > =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 > =A0906-494-2434 > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 1 15:20:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549DD3A8894 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:20:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n0r4uKJ91YZ2 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:20:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547203A89BA for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D76F7ABC2; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 18:19:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out4.apple.com (mail-out4.apple.com [17.254.13.23]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51117ABC1 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 18:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay13.apple.com (relay13.apple.com [17.128.113.29]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042D48E85DF6; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:19:28 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 1180711d-b7b18ae000001001-af-4b8c4b7f77e5 Received: from msweet.apple.com (msweet.apple.com [17.197.41.43]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay13.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id DE.5B.04097.F7B4C8B4; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:19:27 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1137) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael Sweet In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:19:27 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Ira McDonald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1137) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 February 2010) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 0D76F7ABC2.AA2C6 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi Mike, >=20 > Thanks for all these comments - I just skimmed them. >=20 > But, if we want (and we had concensus) to get the "low > hanging fruit first" in IPP Everywhere, then we certainly > want 2 or more conformance levels eventually - therefore, > we need to start that way. I don't think we've been talking about multiple conformance levels, but rat= her regular updates (as needed) for a single conformance level that reflect= s the current state of the art. > And while we could roll these together, I suspect that > the correct solution to Printer MIB visibility is the original > proposal in late 1990's - to whit, a first-class Device > object - way too much different content to bury in one > IPP Job spec that's partly profiles of discovery and > document format requirements. A separate semantic model document could handle defining the device object,= and then the IPP Everywhere spec can reference it and say "this is how we = map it to IPP"... > IPP/2.0 does NOT define any attributes or operations. Right, but this is IPP Everywhere, not IPP/2.0. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > summer: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Ira McDonald w= rote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> I've just posted an Initial working draft of IPP Everywhere Project Char= ter >> for review tomorrow during our IPP WG teleconference at: >>=20 >> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100228.pdf /= doc >> - with line numbers and all proposed milestone dates >>=20 >> The content is derived from Mike's IPP Everywhere BOF slides at our >> recent PWG face-to-face meeting on 10 February 2010. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> - Ira (IPP co-editor) >>=20 >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> winter: >> 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 >> 734-944-0094 >> summer: >> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 >> 906-494-2434 >>=20 ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 1 16:20:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396263A89D1 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:20:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.413 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.413 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mYPGtu11Aw6E for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6226B28C64E for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C637ABB3; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:20:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5B97ABAF for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so3014745fxm.31 for ; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:19:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=GUHmtcPt+XCgFeGGy4GsN1tAiEL6c5rFrahr1n/W9A8=; b=GFj9IV1VsaCQjHxkY3KN/MLqOqgcBapnBLpbTHew0pS5Z206fJvjiTfx3rdHWKVmvP m5e8d+/ONgAzS9PM7XNLh7hwP/rQ73WIRn3xtOmonPKRgDsdCkXuIq+LyCxxA57QBB5J C3AypMHcH4Er+N+/dzY/ZsXqQ/T8gFGC3U2bw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Wukie15PDEwG2lJQ4WjIyYBTLTn9gKg1wHLJf9EW191yHdkK+sTMWRDFplwJIZKVKL J6S/t1wYQqZtNz/0baIA/T2eSI8DJKVEED4cstgFmz2+CLqmSuPWPNbIH6L6L8JA5v6K z2BZRj8ekIonVzOwAbwa8LsU9H2rulhT/K64g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.7.4 with SMTP id b4mr5772820fab.102.1267489187273; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:19:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:19:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: Michael Sweet , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 February 2010) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 51C637ABB3.A98FB X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Mike, My replies inline below. Cheers, - Ira On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > >> Hi Mike, >> >> Thanks for all these comments - I just skimmed them. >> >> But, if we want (and we had concensus) to get the "low >> hanging fruit first" in IPP Everywhere, then we certainly >> want 2 or more conformance levels eventually - therefore, >> we need to start that way. > > I don't think we've been talking about multiple conformance levels, but rather regular updates (as needed) for a single conformance level that reflects the current state of the art. > My point was that, in the PWG Process (and IETF), NO new content can EVER be added to an existing conformance profile in the same level. If second edition of IPP Everywhere adds PDF (for example), then that MUST be a new IPP Everywhere conformance level. I think an "ipp-everywhere-versions-supported" Printer attribute needs to be orthogonal to and independent of "ipp-versions-supported". >> And while we could roll these together, I suspect that >> the correct solution to Printer MIB visibility is the original >> proposal in late 1990's - to whit, a first-class Device >> object - way too much different content to bury in one >> IPP Job spec that's partly profiles of discovery and >> document format requirements. > > A separate semantic model document could handle defining the device object, and then the IPP Everywhere spec can reference it and say "this is how we map it to IPP"... > Nope - in the PWG Semantic Model WG charter, they can ONLY do XML mappings from other existing IETF or PWG specs that define the objects and/or properties/attributes. So an IPP spec is definitely required for a Device object, unless we use opaque stuff like some kludge format for ASN.1 names in a new operation attribute for Get-Printer-Attributes (which is yucky and likely not to be interoperable). >> IPP/2.0 does NOT define any attributes or operations. > > Right, but this is IPP Everywhere, not IPP/2.0. Nope - combining these documents won't work - there will almost undoubtedly ultimately need to be more than one well-focused IPP extension spec (for Job, Printer, Device, etc. extensions) - if we roll all these together with this IPP Everywhere profile of OTHER non-IPP protocols and PDLs, we'll never manage to publish a PWG Candidate Standard, IMHO. Catchall specs have caused us trouble before (including in the IPP WG efforts). -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 1 16:48:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104BF28C628 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:48:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LXHeopNckDlF for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155293A8BFD for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A85D7ABBB; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:48:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out4.apple.com (mail-out4.apple.com [17.254.13.23]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C864B7ABBA for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay14.apple.com (relay14.apple.com [17.128.113.52]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2786C8E88A7F; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:47:47 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807134-b7cd9ae000001002-04-4b8c603062b3 Received: from [17.151.80.79] (Unknown_Domain [17.151.80.79]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 38.A7.04098.2306C8B4; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:47:47 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) From: Michael Sweet In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:47:44 -0800 Message-Id: References: To: Ira McDonald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 February 2010) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0678136600==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 2A85D7ABBB.AAF23 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0678136600== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--726628117 --Apple-Mail-3--726628117 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi Mike, >=20 > My replies inline below. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >>=20 >> On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi Mike, >>>=20 >>> Thanks for all these comments - I just skimmed them. >>>=20 >>> But, if we want (and we had concensus) to get the "low >>> hanging fruit first" in IPP Everywhere, then we certainly >>> want 2 or more conformance levels eventually - therefore, >>> we need to start that way. >>=20 >> I don't think we've been talking about multiple conformance levels, but = rather regular updates (as needed) for a single conformance level that refl= ects the current state of the art. >>=20 >=20 > > My point was that, in the PWG Process (and IETF), NO new content can > EVER be added to an existing conformance profile in the same level. Right now I'm looking at the work in front of us, and not the work we (may)= do in N years. Put in another context, there is 10 years between IPP/1.1 and IPP/2.0. *If= * the printing landscape changes sufficiently I think we'll be looking at I= PP/3.0 and not just a new IPP Everywhere "profile". > If second edition of IPP Everywhere adds PDF (for example), then that > MUST be a new IPP Everywhere conformance level. or a new IPP conformance level. I see no reason to keep IPP Everywhere sep= arate from the main specs if it is successful enough to warrant a second (o= r third, etc.) pass. > I think an "ipp-everywhere-versions-supported" Printer attribute needs > to be orthogonal to and independent of "ipp-versions-supported". > Testing for a particular feature using a version number is, in general, a b= ad idea. >>>=20 >>> And while we could roll these together, I suspect that >>> the correct solution to Printer MIB visibility is the original >>> proposal in late 1990's - to whit, a first-class Device >>> object - way too much different content to bury in one >>> IPP Job spec that's partly profiles of discovery and >>> document format requirements. >>=20 >> A separate semantic model document could handle defining the device obje= ct, and then the IPP Everywhere spec can reference it and say "this is how = we map it to IPP"... >>=20 >=20 > > Nope - in the PWG Semantic Model WG charter, they can ONLY > do XML mappings from other existing IETF or PWG specs that > define the objects and/or properties/attributes. Then let's change the charter. It is not chiseled in stone, right? Moreover, at least some of this stuff is coming from the existing Printer M= IB, and so already exists to do mappings that we can then use for IPP. > So an IPP spec is definitely required for a Device object, > unless we use opaque stuff like some kludge format for ASN.1 > names in a new operation attribute for Get-Printer-Attributes > (which is yucky and likely not to be interoperable). > >=20 >=20 >>> IPP/2.0 does NOT define any attributes or operations. >>=20 >> Right, but this is IPP Everywhere, not IPP/2.0. >=20 > > Nope - combining these documents won't work - there will > almost undoubtedly ultimately need to be more than one > well-focused IPP extension spec (for Job, Printer, Device, > etc. extensions) - if we roll all these together with this IPP > Everywhere profile of OTHER non-IPP protocols and PDLs, > we'll never manage to publish a PWG Candidate Standard, > IMHO. >=20 > Catchall specs have caused us trouble before (including > in the IPP WG efforts). > I would suggest that IPP Everywhere is, by definition, a catch-all effort -= if we only get half-assed implementations of bits and pieces then we have = failed! I'm not here to write standards for the fun of it, I want to develop someth= ing genuinely useful and hopefully ubiquitous... ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Apple-Mail-3--726628117 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Mar 1, 2010, = at 4:19 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:
Hi Mike= ,

My replies inline below.

Cheers,
- Ira


On Mon= , Mar 1, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:

On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Ira McDonald = wrote:

Hi Mike,

=
Thanks for= all these comments - I just skimmed them.

But, if we want (an= d we had concensus) to get the "low
hanging fruit first" in IPP Every= where, then we certainly
want 2 or more conformance levels eventually= - therefore,
we need to start that way.

I don= 't think we've been talking about multiple conformance levels, but rather r= egular updates (as needed) for a single conformance level that reflects the= current state of the art.


<ira>
My point was that, in the PWG Process (and IE= TF), NO new content can
EVER be added to an existing conformance profile= in the same level.

Right now I'm look= ing at the work in front of us, and not the work we (may) do in N years.

Put in another context, there is 10 years between IP= P/1.1 and IPP/2.0.  *If* the printing landscape changes sufficiently I= think we'll be looking at IPP/3.0 and not just a new IPP Everywhere "profi= le".

If second edition of IPP = Everywhere adds PDF (for example), then that
MUST be a new IPP Everywher= e conformance level.

or a new IPP conf= ormance level.  I see no reason to keep IPP Everywhere separate from t= he main specs if it is successful enough to warrant a second (or third, etc= .) pass.

I think an "ipp-every= where-versions-supported" Printer attribute needs
to be orthogonal to an= d independent of "ipp-versions-supported".
</ira>

Testing for a particular feature using a version = number is, in general, a bad idea.


And while we could roll these together, I suspect that
the correct solution to Printer MIB visibility is the original
propo= sal in late 1990's - to whit, a first-class Device
object - way too m= uch different content to bury in one
IPP Job spec that's partly profi= les of discovery and
document format requirements.

A separate semantic model document could handle defining the device ob= ject, and then the IPP Everywhere spec can reference it and say "this is ho= w we map it to IPP"...


<ira>
Nope - in the PWG Semantic Model WG charter, they= can ONLY
do XML mappings from other existing IETF or PWG specs that
= define the objects and/or properties/attributes.

Then let's change the charter.  It is not chiseled in stone= , right?

Moreover, at least some of this stuff is = coming from the existing Printer MIB, and so already exists to do mappings = that we can then use for IPP.

= So an IPP spec is definitely required for a Device object,
unless we use= opaque stuff like some kludge format for ASN.1
names in a new operation= attribute for Get-Printer-Attributes
(which is yucky and likely not to = be interoperable).
</ira>


IPP/2.0 does NOT define any attributes or operations= .

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">Right, but this is IPP Everywhere, not IPP/2.0.
<ira>
Nope - combining these documents won't wor= k - there will
almost undoubtedly ultimately need to be more than onewell-focused IPP extension spec (for Job, Printer, Device,
etc. extensi= ons) - if we roll all these together with this IPP
Everywhere profile of= OTHER non-IPP protocols and PDLs,
we'll never manage to publish a PWG C= andidate Standard,
IMHO.

Catchall specs have caused us trouble be= fore (including
in the IPP WG efforts).
</ira>

I would suggest that IPP Everywhere is, by defin= ition, a catch-all effort - if we only get half-assed implementations of bi= ts and pieces then we have failed!

I'm not here to write= standards for the fun of it, I want to develop something genuinely useful = and hopefully ubiquitous...

___________________= _____________________________________________________
Michael Swe= et, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair





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We CANNOT do IPP/2.3 and say "oh that's just IPP Everywhere which is really a bit more than IPP/2.0". Both RFC 2911 and PWG Process don't let us play fast-and-loose with minor version numbers - they're additive in a strict sense. Yes - after much discussion 10 years ago, the charter of the PWG Semantic Model WG - no definitions ever - *is* cast in stone. The PWG Multifunction Device WG has to write a spec for every new attribute they add to the SM. So does IPP WG. That's the point of the rigid scope of the PWG Semantic Model WG charter. The mapping of Printer MIB v2 into the XML schema was done 5 years ago as part of WIMS/1.0 and has always been included in the PWG SM XML schema - it's now in System.SystemCapabilities.Subunits. But an IPP mapping (in the current binary transport encoding) needs a spec. To become practical, do you favor a collection attribute or other lighter weight (than a first-class IPP Device object) mapping of Printer MIB? A simple flat mapping to zillions of new IPP Printer attributes is not likely to be well-received by the other PWG members, I think. And the PWG SC has not favored mixing new attributes with profiles. If we do that, then I *think* we'll never extend IPP Everywhere - and I don't think we can put PDF or any other rich WYSIWYG document format in as a REQUIRED in the first IPP Everywhere - otherwise, what's the point? I imagine IPP Everywhere/1.0 is raster/graphic only and IPP Eve/2.0 adds a WYSIWYG document format or two. We need to think about this stuff now - because the SC won't let us just wander outside our charter - bad stuff *has* happened in the past when we went down that route. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > My replies inline below. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Thanks for all these comments - I just skimmed them. > > But, if we want (and we had concensus) to get the "low > > hanging fruit first" in IPP Everywhere, then we certainly > > want 2 or more conformance levels eventually - therefore, > > we need to start that way. > > I don't think we've been talking about multiple conformance levels, but > rather regular updates (as needed) for a single conformance level that > reflects the current state of the art. > > > > My point was that, in the PWG Process (and IETF), NO new content can > EVER be added to an existing conformance profile in the same level. > > Right now I'm looking at the work in front of us, and not the work we (ma= y) > do in N years. > Put in another context, there is 10 years between IPP/1.1 and IPP/2.0. = =A0*If* > the printing landscape changes sufficiently I think we'll be looking at > IPP/3.0 and not just a new IPP Everywhere "profile". > > If second edition of IPP Everywhere adds PDF (for example), then that > MUST be a new IPP Everywhere conformance level. > > or a new IPP conformance level. =A0I see no reason to keep IPP Everywhere > separate from the main specs if it is successful enough to warrant a seco= nd > (or third, etc.) pass. > > I think an "ipp-everywhere-versions-supported" Printer attribute needs > to be orthogonal to and independent of "ipp-versions-supported". > > > Testing for a particular feature using a version number is, in general, a > bad idea. > > And while we could roll these together, I suspect that > > the correct solution to Printer MIB visibility is the original > > proposal in late 1990's - to whit, a first-class Device > > object - way too much different content to bury in one > > IPP Job spec that's partly profiles of discovery and > > document format requirements. > > A separate semantic model document could handle defining the device objec= t, > and then the IPP Everywhere spec can reference it and say "this is how we > map it to IPP"... > > > > Nope - in the PWG Semantic Model WG charter, they can ONLY > do XML mappings from other existing IETF or PWG specs that > define the objects and/or properties/attributes. > > Then let's change the charter. =A0It is not chiseled in stone, right? > Moreover, at least some of this stuff is coming from the existing Printer > MIB, and so already exists to do mappings that we can then use for IPP. > > So an IPP spec is definitely required for a Device object, > unless we use opaque stuff like some kludge format for ASN.1 > names in a new operation attribute for Get-Printer-Attributes > (which is yucky and likely not to be interoperable). > > > > IPP/2.0 does NOT define any attributes or operations. > > Right, but this is IPP Everywhere, not IPP/2.0. > > > Nope - combining these documents won't work - there will > almost undoubtedly ultimately need to be more than one > well-focused IPP extension spec (for Job, Printer, Device, > etc. extensions) - if we roll all these together with this IPP > Everywhere profile of OTHER non-IPP protocols and PDLs, > we'll never manage to publish a PWG Candidate Standard, > IMHO. > > Catchall specs have caused us trouble before (including > in the IPP WG efforts). > > > I would suggest that IPP Everywhere is, by definition, a catch-all effort= - > if we only get half-assed implementations of bits and pieces then we have > failed! > I'm not here to write standards for the fun of it, I want to develop > something genuinely useful and hopefully ubiquitous... > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 1 20:31:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C38D3A89B4 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:31:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dl-ZfmQ7mBdF for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82553A8961 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C017ABDB; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 23:31:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out4.apple.com (mail-out4.apple.com [17.254.13.23]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31C47ABD6 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 23:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay16.apple.com (relay16.apple.com [17.128.113.55]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0846B8E8ED21; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:31:17 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807137-b7bd4ae000000f0d-36-4b8c94949871 Received: from [17.151.103.138] (Unknown_Domain [17.151.103.138]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay16.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id C7.C0.03853.4949C8B4; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:31:16 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael Sweet In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:31:15 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Ira McDonald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 February 2010) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: D6C017ABDB.A8F1D X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org On Mar 1, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi, >=20 > So you want a single boolean attribute "ipp-everywhere-supported"? Since we haven't even started down the road of defining the specifics of IP= P Everywhere, I can't say whether I will want it. > We CANNOT do IPP/2.3 and say "oh that's just IPP Everywhere which > is really a bit more than IPP/2.0". Both RFC 2911 and PWG Process > don't let us play fast-and-loose with minor version numbers - they're > additive in a strict sense. I don't recall saying I want to do IPP/2.3. I *did* say that I didn't thin= k we needed a profile for each version of IPP/2.0, IPP/2.1, and IPP/2.2, bu= t instead we'd have one profile for IPP/2.0 that would essentially create a= n IPP/2.05 - IPP/2.0 + what is needed to support basic printing from any cl= ient. IPP/2.1 and IPP/2.2 printers obviously could support IPP Everywhere = as well, but that wouldn't require new versions or "profiles". > Yes - after much discussion 10 years ago, the charter of the PWG > Semantic Model WG - no definitions ever - *is* cast in stone. I'm not going to argue with you, Ira. But I am concerned that we will end u= p writing another set of specs that doesn't actually accomplish what we wan= t. > The PWG Multifunction Device WG has to write a spec for every new > attribute they add to the SM. So does IPP WG. That's the point of > the rigid scope of the PWG Semantic Model WG charter. In software development, this would be like writing an interface definition= after you spend years developing the software. Most organizations employ = some kind of design process (often in parallel with prototyping and/or codi= ng) so that the interfaces are well-defined before the software is finished= , otherwise all you get is chaos. So to say that we're going to define all of these attributes and operations= for a specific protocol first and *then* generalize it in the semantic mod= el seems backwards and destined for failure or at least years of delay to g= et what we have in IPP over to Web Services and other mappings... Consider the Printer MIB - imagine if the model was done first (or in paral= lel) with the MIB. What sorts of changes could you expect? Would the resul= ting MIB be easier to use? Would the mappings to other protocols be better= /easier to use? > The mapping of Printer MIB v2 into the XML schema was done 5 years > ago as part of WIMS/1.0 and has always been included in the PWG SM > XML schema - it's now in System.SystemCapabilities.Subunits. >=20 > But an IPP mapping (in the current binary transport encoding) needs > a spec. >=20 > To become practical, do you favor a collection attribute or other lighter > weight (than a first-class IPP Device object) mapping of Printer MIB? > A simple flat mapping to zillions of new IPP Printer attributes is not > likely to be well-received by the other PWG members, I think. I think we need to cherry pick the most useful properties. For CUPS we fou= nd that the printer alert and marker properties are the most important addi= tions, although I did end up consolidating the prtMarkerSupplies and prtMar= kerColorant properties into the marker-* attributes since the mapping from = supply to colorant is unnecessarily complicated. We already have a spec for the alerts (PSX), and the IPP Everywhere Wiki ha= s a page describing the marker-* attributes: http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/CUPS+Marker+Attributes That would yield at most 10 new printer description attributes between the = two specs and would provide all of the information needed for a client to m= onitor the current status of a typical printer. As for collections, I'm not a big fan since every spec that employs them ha= s implemented several layers of nested collections which are less compact a= nd harder to support in software and hardware. For example, media-col has = a media-size member attribute collection with two member attributes - media= -x-dimension and media-y-dimension. After implementing media-col support, = I am convinced that it would have been better for us to promote media-x/y-d= imension to be member attributes of media-col directly. 1setOf collections = are similarly problematic due to the added overhead of the member attribute= s for every instance, although in some cases the overhead may be worth it. > And the PWG SC has not favored mixing new attributes with profiles. > If we do that, then I *think* we'll never extend IPP Everywhere - and I > don't think we can put PDF or any other rich WYSIWYG document > format in as a REQUIRED in the first IPP Everywhere - otherwise, > what's the point? I don't think we will be able to make a "rich" format required in this deca= de if we want support for low-end printers (and I know *I* do). However, w= e *can* expect that typical workgroup and enterprise printers will probably= support that rich format in order to get the best engine performance (many= already support PDF...) > I imagine IPP Everywhere/1.0 is raster/graphic only and IPP Eve/2.0 > adds a WYSIWYG document format or two. What's wrong with having a REQUIRED raster format and additional RECOMMENDE= D formats (PDF, etc.)? 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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Mar 2 06:25:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5968F3A8A86 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 06:25:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.144, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rfg+fLFBJcoH for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 06:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCE83A8A85 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 06:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4C97ABDF; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:25:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B16F7ABD1 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so326854fxm.31 for ; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:25:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aJ9Uv9EqYQMulPsMxsfqgrdz9nf5eeZg6Nsnvu7yVZs=; b=LxcKnc/eE7UxaTgYXpqzc1IHrYLj9m+v9eRPJag/b/1BcCDTQaZ9zoo/7r9fmgnt0g IyVuUqrRIctfzOeFqdKcdvxu8N+yjz2ppDGc0YDnYOv2zxvYLlhHaD+EGxm9LFKj1kc4 B20q8wdmMqRejpB3eQESlijcB2MghM75LRL/8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OJ/yhaPlP8SkGb6rIm4hfCiTIMcnLBZacxUdASefco38PasntzlXtbqATerbzJrUw1 pvgPcl9VtqH5vTgmdgikf4HS757F1GanwmGQtWku8vsfheKBMrGjuyrPvEU5+hfjfrpZ 3ieBHbprB+kEcwlA/RlsWFozwLZ/MHQ6f5Bd4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.5.70 with SMTP id 6mr6827797fau.18.1267539909896; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:25:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:25:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: Michael Sweet , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 February 2010) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: DE4C97ABDF.AA5B6 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Mike, OK - I agree with you. We can do a single IPP Everywhere spec. Especially, if we keep the new attribute content minimal. The apparently odd boundaries of Semantic Model work can't really be changed now - but it's no impediment to the IPP Everywhere work. If we do wind up needing technical changes in CUPS Raster or other document format, the SC is probably going to make us charter a separate spec, but that's a future issue. So, we'll drop the JXS2 work item and just have IPP Everywhere Requirements and IPP Everywhere spec. I'll review the rest of your comments and try to put out another draft later this week. Cheers, - Ira PS - The Printer MIB was in point of fact written by Tom Hastings by cut-and-paste from ISO DPA. Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > On Mar 1, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So you want a single boolean attribute "ipp-everywhere-supported"? > > Since we haven't even started down the road of defining the specifics of = IPP Everywhere, I can't say whether I will want it. > >> We CANNOT do IPP/2.3 and say "oh that's just IPP Everywhere which >> is really a bit more than IPP/2.0". =A0Both RFC 2911 and PWG Process >> don't let us play fast-and-loose with minor version numbers - they're >> additive in a strict sense. > > I don't recall saying I want to do IPP/2.3. =A0I *did* say that I didn't = think we needed a profile for each version of IPP/2.0, IPP/2.1, and IPP/2.2= , but instead we'd have one profile for IPP/2.0 that would essentially crea= te an IPP/2.05 - IPP/2.0 + what is needed to support basic printing from an= y client. =A0IPP/2.1 and IPP/2.2 printers obviously could support IPP Every= where as well, but that wouldn't require new versions or "profiles". > >> Yes - after much discussion 10 years ago, the charter of the PWG >> Semantic Model WG - no definitions ever - *is* cast in stone. > > I'm not going to argue with you, Ira. But I am concerned that we will end= up writing another set of specs that doesn't actually accomplish what we w= ant. > >> The PWG Multifunction Device WG has to write a spec for every new >> attribute they add to the SM. =A0So does IPP WG. =A0That's the point of >> the rigid scope of the PWG Semantic Model WG charter. > > In software development, this would be like writing an interface definiti= on after you spend years developing the software. =A0Most organizations emp= loy some kind of design process (often in parallel with prototyping and/or = coding) so that the interfaces are well-defined before the software is fini= shed, otherwise all you get is chaos. > > So to say that we're going to define all of these attributes and operatio= ns for a specific protocol first and *then* generalize it in the semantic m= odel seems backwards and destined for failure or at least years of delay to= get what we have in IPP over to Web Services and other mappings... > > Consider the Printer MIB - imagine if the model was done first (or in par= allel) with the MIB. What sorts of changes could you expect? =A0Would the r= esulting MIB be easier to use? =A0Would the mappings to other protocols be = better/easier to use? > >> The mapping of Printer MIB v2 into the XML schema was done 5 years >> ago as part of WIMS/1.0 and has always been included in the PWG SM >> XML schema - it's now in System.SystemCapabilities.Subunits. >> >> But an IPP mapping (in the current binary transport encoding) needs >> a spec. >> >> To become practical, do you favor a collection attribute or other lighter >> weight (than a first-class IPP Device object) mapping of Printer MIB? >> A simple flat mapping to zillions of new IPP Printer attributes is not >> likely to be well-received by the other PWG members, I think. > > I think we need to cherry pick the most useful properties. =A0For CUPS we= found that the printer alert and marker properties are the most important = additions, although I did end up consolidating the prtMarkerSupplies and pr= tMarkerColorant properties into the marker-* attributes since the mapping f= rom supply to colorant is unnecessarily complicated. > > We already have a spec for the alerts (PSX), and the IPP Everywhere Wiki = has a page describing the marker-* attributes: > > =A0 =A0http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/CUPS+Marker+Attributes > > That would yield at most 10 new printer description attributes between th= e two specs and would provide all of the information needed for a client to= monitor the current status of a typical printer. > > As for collections, I'm not a big fan since every spec that employs them = has implemented several layers of nested collections which are less compact= and harder to support in software and hardware. =A0For example, media-col = has a media-size member attribute collection with two member attributes - m= edia-x-dimension and media-y-dimension. =A0After implementing media-col sup= port, I am convinced that it would have been better for us to promote media= -x/y-dimension to be member attributes of media-col directly. 1setOf collec= tions are similarly problematic due to the added overhead of the member att= ributes for every instance, although in some cases the overhead may be wort= h it. > >> And the PWG SC has not favored mixing new attributes with profiles. >> If we do that, then I *think* we'll never extend IPP Everywhere - and I >> don't think we can put PDF or any other rich WYSIWYG document >> format in as a REQUIRED in the first IPP Everywhere - otherwise, >> what's the point? > > I don't think we will be able to make a "rich" format required in this de= cade if we want support for low-end printers (and I know *I* do). =A0Howeve= r, we *can* expect that typical workgroup and enterprise printers will prob= ably support that rich format in order to get the best engine performance (= many already support PDF...) > >> I imagine IPP Everywhere/1.0 is raster/graphic only and IPP Eve/2.0 >> adds a WYSIWYG document format or two. > > What's wrong with having a REQUIRED raster format and additional RECOMMEN= DED formats (PDF, etc.)? =A0I just don't see the need for multiple IPP Ever= ywhere versions at this time. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From tycoonsm3@vostokinv.ru Tue Mar 2 08:30:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680A53A8BA4; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acq6FD0PZ6TqNfOvT66YbcMt6gJN1QAEV4Xw Content-Language: en-us X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: A9F1D7ABE5.AA40D X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Quite an exchange! I admit that I rather got lost after the third volley, but I see that all is resolved, at least between Ira and Mike. But I would like to bring up an observation made at the face to face, which I thought was quite valid, although it might not seem so to CUPs-oriented people. Calling this proposed capability IPP is not an advantage either to gain users or implementers. Most users don't know what IPP is, don't use it and don't care. It is my impression that many printer manufacturers have not kept up with it, don=92t regard it highly, and want to move on. This is not to say that the proposed capability should not build on IPP, just as it may reasonably utilize other existing methods of device location, PDLs, etc. Using what has already been worked out is positive and makes adoption more likely. And IPP is, of course, the basis for our MFD semantic model. But tying it in too closely so as to make it just another of the flock of IPP spec's may not give it the attention that it deserves. The name suggestion at the Face-to-face was (I think) Print-Everywhere (which would need a conflict check) although I think Print-Anywhere is more appropriate (if already a conflict). But the exact name is of less importance than presenting this as a new capability building on existing protocols and techniques, of which IPP (or perhaps the PWG print service semantic model) is one. That is, I believe, what it really is. This capability seems like a good thing to me, but I can hear "IPP-Everywhere" falling with a dull thud on the planning room floors. Bill Wagner PS: By the way, without questioning the influence of DPA or Tom Hastings' contribution to the Printer MIB, it certainly is not my recollection that the Printer MIB was "written by... cut-and-paste from ISO DPA".=20 -----Original Message----- From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:25 AM To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 February 2010) Hi Mike, OK - I agree with you. We can do a single IPP Everywhere spec. Especially, if we keep the new attribute content minimal. The apparently odd boundaries of Semantic Model work can't really be changed now - but it's no impediment to the IPP Everywhere work. If we do wind up needing technical changes in CUPS Raster or other document format, the SC is probably going to make us charter a separate spec, but that's a future issue. So, we'll drop the JXS2 work item and just have IPP Everywhere Requirements and IPP Everywhere spec. I'll review the rest of your comments and try to put out another draft later this week. Cheers, - Ira PS - The Printer MIB was in point of fact written by Tom Hastings by cut-and-paste from ISO DPA. Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > On Mar 1, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So you want a single boolean attribute "ipp-everywhere-supported"? > > Since we haven't even started down the road of defining the specifics of IPP Everywhere, I can't say whether I will want it. > >> We CANNOT do IPP/2.3 and say "oh that's just IPP Everywhere which >> is really a bit more than IPP/2.0". =A0Both RFC 2911 and PWG Process >> don't let us play fast-and-loose with minor version numbers - they're >> additive in a strict sense. > > I don't recall saying I want to do IPP/2.3. =A0I *did* say that I didn't think we needed a profile for each version of IPP/2.0, IPP/2.1, and IPP/2.2, but instead we'd have one profile for IPP/2.0 that would essentially create an IPP/2.05 - IPP/2.0 + what is needed to support basic printing from any client. =A0IPP/2.1 and IPP/2.2 printers obviously could support IPP Everywh= ere as well, but that wouldn't require new versions or "profiles". > >> Yes - after much discussion 10 years ago, the charter of the PWG >> Semantic Model WG - no definitions ever - *is* cast in stone. > > I'm not going to argue with you, Ira. But I am concerned that we will end up writing another set of specs that doesn't actually accomplish what we want. > >> The PWG Multifunction Device WG has to write a spec for every new >> attribute they add to the SM. =A0So does IPP WG. =A0That's the point of >> the rigid scope of the PWG Semantic Model WG charter. > > In software development, this would be like writing an interface definition after you spend years developing the software. =A0Most organizations employ some kind of design process (often in parallel with prototyping and/or coding) so that the interfaces are well-defined before the software is finished, otherwise all you get is chaos. > > So to say that we're going to define all of these attributes and operations for a specific protocol first and *then* generalize it in the semantic model seems backwards and destined for failure or at least years of delay to get what we have in IPP over to Web Services and other mappings... > > Consider the Printer MIB - imagine if the model was done first (or in parallel) with the MIB. What sorts of changes could you expect? =A0Would the resulting MIB be easier to use? =A0Would the mappings to other protocols be better/easier to use? > >> The mapping of Printer MIB v2 into the XML schema was done 5 years >> ago as part of WIMS/1.0 and has always been included in the PWG SM >> XML schema - it's now in System.SystemCapabilities.Subunits. >> >> But an IPP mapping (in the current binary transport encoding) needs >> a spec. >> >> To become practical, do you favor a collection attribute or other lighter >> weight (than a first-class IPP Device object) mapping of Printer MIB? >> A simple flat mapping to zillions of new IPP Printer attributes is not >> likely to be well-received by the other PWG members, I think. > > I think we need to cherry pick the most useful properties. =A0For CUPS we found that the printer alert and marker properties are the most important additions, although I did end up consolidating the prtMarkerSupplies and prtMarkerColorant properties into the marker-* attributes since the mapping from supply to colorant is unnecessarily complicated. > > We already have a spec for the alerts (PSX), and the IPP Everywhere Wiki has a page describing the marker-* attributes: > > =A0 =A0http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/CUPS+Marker+Attributes > > That would yield at most 10 new printer description attributes between the two specs and would provide all of the information needed for a client to monitor the current status of a typical printer. > > As for collections, I'm not a big fan since every spec that employs them has implemented several layers of nested collections which are less compact and harder to support in software and hardware. =A0For example, media-col h= as a media-size member attribute collection with two member attributes - media-x-dimension and media-y-dimension. =A0After implementing media-col support, I am convinced that it would have been better for us to promote media-x/y-dimension to be member attributes of media-col directly. 1setOf collections are similarly problematic due to the added overhead of the member attributes for every instance, although in some cases the overhead may be worth it. > >> And the PWG SC has not favored mixing new attributes with profiles. >> If we do that, then I *think* we'll never extend IPP Everywhere - and I >> don't think we can put PDF or any other rich WYSIWYG document >> format in as a REQUIRED in the first IPP Everywhere - otherwise, >> what's the point? > > I don't think we will be able to make a "rich" format required in this decade if we want support for low-end printers (and I know *I* do). =A0However, we *can* expect that typical workgroup and enterprise printers will probably support that rich format in order to get the best engine performance (many already support PDF...) > >> I imagine IPP Everywhere/1.0 is raster/graphic only and IPP Eve/2.0 >> adds a WYSIWYG document format or two. > > What's wrong with having a REQUIRED raster format and additional RECOMMENDED formats (PDF, etc.)? =A0I just don't see the need for multiple = IPP Everywhere versions at this time. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Mar 2 09:56:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F3F28C13B for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:56:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.130, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YBOOQzoqsZnA for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C083328C1D6 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FE17ABEB; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:55:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6547ABE3 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so563323fxm.31 for ; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:55:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KVK9MN7NBP2bpQcpq4cMPgSZczrbvkGP9B/m8t5pBv8=; b=iwhxRjc3UTRCkl9TBHfL+rxbL1Kr+SbfhrV21A2lJnUvbzD9Lh/ds5K37s6GI0joCf i2bUZzgCU5ttPcgmOPbhvoPg4rq92iQEVnnt081GpxbCOv7/0uN9o32Z1hvFVVcRLlts yy4euZlTt1Bkq6/RLCKNvVd6xr8E1be1M16wY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=totXhDuAG4LGD5eBiPDuIOCjmx4XUzFgRI+7KtU9y7XBlKhAUEPMKNFTxlbzEeZ4Xh j7r/3jB5UxF3xin4vwqnQxTR5Ez1N4+TyMqwJKMJ4NFFvxaAS3Er8apHEELp524LTS5w 4qYSuqvVTxhmvpeJPJIazZCPoy0vKCRdocP/s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.143.20 with SMTP id s20mr7032777fau.38.1267552535776; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:55:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002e01caba2b$2882eef0$7988ccd0$@net> References: <002e01caba2b$2882eef0$7988ccd0$@net> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:55:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 February 2010) From: Ira McDonald To: William Wagner , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: E0FE17ABEB.AA57F X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Bill, The discussion during the PWG face-to-face clearly stated that the protocol for the first iteration of IPP Everywhere will be IPP application protocol (RFC 2911) over the HTTP/1.1 binding (RFC 2910). Non-IPP bindings are way out of scope at present. IPP Everywhere leverages the considerable momentum behind IPP/2.0. I get frequent private notes from implementors at various of printer vendors working on IPP/2.0 conformance. I'm opposed to renaming/widening the scope of this project. If the PWG Steering Committee decides that this project should move elsewhere from the IPP WG, then we'll have to consider that in the "Elsewhere" working group. In my professional experience, most cellphone and PDA vendors are well aware of IPP, but mostly don't even know that the PWG exists. So I don't like choosing a fuzzy name like "Print Everywhere" (already trademarked, by the way, as is almost every other conceivable "Print Xxx" name). Cheers, - Ira PS - The text descriptions of almost all of the properties in Printer MIB v1 was cut-and-paste verbatim from the ISO 10175 MS Word source and then modified - that's why they're so well aligned. My HP WJA colleagues last year amusingly discovered legacy text in the prtInputType object that says "the Input Class provides..." (and wondered where "Input Class" was defined - it isn't). Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, William Wagner wro= te: > Quite an exchange! I admit that I rather got lost after the third volley, > but I see that all is resolved, at least between Ira and Mike. > > But I would like to bring up an observation made at the face to face, whi= ch > I thought was quite valid, although it might not seem so to CUPs-oriented > people. Calling this proposed capability IPP is not an advantage either to > gain users or implementers. Most users don't know what IPP is, don't use = it > and don't care. It is my impression that many printer manufacturers have = not > kept up with it, don=92t regard it highly, and want to move on. > > This is not to say that the proposed capability should not build on IPP, > just as it may reasonably utilize other existing methods of device locati= on, > PDLs, etc. Using what has already been worked out is positive and makes > adoption more likely. And IPP is, of course, the basis for our MFD semant= ic > model. But tying it in too closely so as to make it just another of the > flock of IPP spec's may not give it the attention that it deserves. > > The name suggestion at the Face-to-face was (I think) Print-Everywhere > (which would need a conflict check) although I think Print-Anywhere is mo= re > appropriate (if already a conflict). But the exact name is of less > importance than presenting this as a new capability building on existing > protocols and techniques, of which IPP (or perhaps the PWG print service > semantic model) is one. That is, I believe, what it really is. > > This capability seems like a good thing to me, but I can hear > "IPP-Everywhere" falling with a dull thud on the planning room floors. > > Bill Wagner > > PS: By the way, without questioning the influence of DPA or Tom Hastings' > contribution to the Printer MIB, it certainly is not my recollection that > the Printer MIB was "written by... cut-and-paste from ISO DPA". > > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira > McDonald > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:25 AM > To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 > February 2010) > > Hi Mike, > > OK - I agree with you. > > We can do a single IPP Everywhere spec. =A0Especially, > if we keep the new attribute content minimal. > > The apparently odd boundaries of Semantic Model work > can't really be changed now - but it's no impediment to the > IPP Everywhere work. > > If we do wind up needing technical changes in CUPS > Raster or other document format, the SC is probably > going to make us charter a separate spec, but that's a > future issue. > > So, we'll drop the JXS2 work item and just have IPP > Everywhere Requirements and IPP Everywhere spec. > > I'll review the rest of your comments and try to put out > another draft later this week. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > PS - The Printer MIB was in point of fact written by > Tom Hastings by cut-and-paste from ISO DPA. > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 > =A0734-944-0094 > summer: > =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 > =A0906-494-2434 > > > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >> On Mar 1, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> So you want a single boolean attribute "ipp-everywhere-supported"? >> >> Since we haven't even started down the road of defining the specifics of > IPP Everywhere, I can't say whether I will want it. >> >>> We CANNOT do IPP/2.3 and say "oh that's just IPP Everywhere which >>> is really a bit more than IPP/2.0". =A0Both RFC 2911 and PWG Process >>> don't let us play fast-and-loose with minor version numbers - they're >>> additive in a strict sense. >> >> I don't recall saying I want to do IPP/2.3. =A0I *did* say that I didn't > think we needed a profile for each version of IPP/2.0, IPP/2.1, and IPP/2= .2, > but instead we'd have one profile for IPP/2.0 that would essentially crea= te > an IPP/2.05 - IPP/2.0 + what is needed to support basic printing from any > client. =A0IPP/2.1 and IPP/2.2 printers obviously could support IPP Every= where > as well, but that wouldn't require new versions or "profiles". >> >>> Yes - after much discussion 10 years ago, the charter of the PWG >>> Semantic Model WG - no definitions ever - *is* cast in stone. >> >> I'm not going to argue with you, Ira. But I am concerned that we will end > up writing another set of specs that doesn't actually accomplish what we > want. >> >>> The PWG Multifunction Device WG has to write a spec for every new >>> attribute they add to the SM. =A0So does IPP WG. =A0That's the point of >>> the rigid scope of the PWG Semantic Model WG charter. >> >> In software development, this would be like writing an interface > definition after you spend years developing the software. =A0Most > organizations employ some kind of design process (often in parallel with > prototyping and/or coding) so that the interfaces are well-defined before > the software is finished, otherwise all you get is chaos. >> >> So to say that we're going to define all of these attributes and > operations for a specific protocol first and *then* generalize it in the > semantic model seems backwards and destined for failure or at least years= of > delay to get what we have in IPP over to Web Services and other mappings.= .. >> >> Consider the Printer MIB - imagine if the model was done first (or in > parallel) with the MIB. What sorts of changes could you expect? =A0Would = the > resulting MIB be easier to use? =A0Would the mappings to other protocols = be > better/easier to use? >> >>> The mapping of Printer MIB v2 into the XML schema was done 5 years >>> ago as part of WIMS/1.0 and has always been included in the PWG SM >>> XML schema - it's now in System.SystemCapabilities.Subunits. >>> >>> But an IPP mapping (in the current binary transport encoding) needs >>> a spec. >>> >>> To become practical, do you favor a collection attribute or other light= er >>> weight (than a first-class IPP Device object) mapping of Printer MIB? >>> A simple flat mapping to zillions of new IPP Printer attributes is not >>> likely to be well-received by the other PWG members, I think. >> >> I think we need to cherry pick the most useful properties. =A0For CUPS we > found that the printer alert and marker properties are the most important > additions, although I did end up consolidating the prtMarkerSupplies and > prtMarkerColorant properties into the marker-* attributes since the mappi= ng > from supply to colorant is unnecessarily complicated. >> >> We already have a spec for the alerts (PSX), and the IPP Everywhere Wiki > has a page describing the marker-* attributes: >> >> =A0 =A0http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/CUPS+Marker+Attributes >> >> That would yield at most 10 new printer description attributes between t= he > two specs and would provide all of the information needed for a client to > monitor the current status of a typical printer. >> >> As for collections, I'm not a big fan since every spec that employs them > has implemented several layers of nested collections which are less compa= ct > and harder to support in software and hardware. =A0For example, media-col= has > a media-size member attribute collection with two member attributes - > media-x-dimension and media-y-dimension. =A0After implementing media-col > support, I am convinced that it would have been better for us to promote > media-x/y-dimension to be member attributes of media-col directly. 1setOf > collections are similarly problematic due to the added overhead of the > member attributes for every instance, although in some cases the overhead > may be worth it. >> >>> And the PWG SC has not favored mixing new attributes with profiles. >>> If we do that, then I *think* we'll never extend IPP Everywhere - and I >>> don't think we can put PDF or any other rich WYSIWYG document >>> format in as a REQUIRED in the first IPP Everywhere - otherwise, >>> what's the point? >> >> I don't think we will be able to make a "rich" format required in this > decade if we want support for low-end printers (and I know *I* do). > =A0However, we *can* expect that typical workgroup and enterprise printers > will probably support that rich format in order to get the best engine > performance (many already support PDF...) >> >>> I imagine IPP Everywhere/1.0 is raster/graphic only and IPP Eve/2.0 >>> adds a WYSIWYG document format or two. >> >> What's wrong with having a REQUIRED raster format and additional > RECOMMENDED formats (PDF, etc.)? =A0I just don't see the need for multipl= e IPP > Everywhere versions at this time. >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Mar 2 10:34:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A6F3A680B for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 10:34:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uTjtUfbK858b for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 10:34:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E19228C251 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 10:34:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC2E7ABF1; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 13:34:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788F67ABF0 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 13:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oJ3k1d00c0Fqzac56JaKUq; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:34:19 +0000 Received: from VistaBusiness ([24.61.240.234]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oJaJ1d00Q548CT43UJaJgE; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:34:19 +0000 From: "William Wagner" To: "'Ira McDonald'" References: <002e01caba2b$2882eef0$7988ccd0$@net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 February 2010) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 13:34:14 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01caba36$f5db9810$e192c830$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acq6MZF0DfQ5I1i8T0u/CzDrHgwbxAAAsUGQ Content-Language: en-us X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: EEC2E7ABF1.AB49B X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Ira, You can certainly reject my observation, but please do not reject it for something I did not write. Nowhere do I mention bindings or protocol. I refer to names and perceived alignment. My contention was that presenting this as an extension of IPP rather than a new capability that uses existing protocols and methods does not give it the best advantage. This opinion was also voiced by someone else at the meeting, although it did not make it to the minutes. I did not say nor do I necessarily believe that the project should not be done within the IPP WG.=20 I am pleased to hear that you are getting good response to IPP/2.0. I am not, aside from some (maybe unjustified) relief from some that they need not do anything further. Bill Wagner -----Original Message----- From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:56 PM To: William Wagner; Ira McDonald Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 February 2010) Hi Bill, The discussion during the PWG face-to-face clearly stated that the protocol for the first iteration of IPP Everywhere will be IPP application protocol (RFC 2911) over the HTTP/1.1 binding (RFC 2910). Non-IPP bindings are way out of scope at present. IPP Everywhere leverages the considerable momentum behind IPP/2.0. I get frequent private notes from implementors at various of printer vendors working on IPP/2.0 conformance. I'm opposed to renaming/widening the scope of this project. If the PWG Steering Committee decides that this project should move elsewhere from the IPP WG, then we'll have to consider that in the "Elsewhere" working group. In my professional experience, most cellphone and PDA vendors are well aware of IPP, but mostly don't even know that the PWG exists. So I don't like choosing a fuzzy name like "Print Everywhere" (already trademarked, by the way, as is almost every other conceivable "Print Xxx" name). Cheers, - Ira PS - The text descriptions of almost all of the properties in Printer MIB v1 was cut-and-paste verbatim from the ISO 10175 MS Word source and then modified - that's why they're so well aligned. My HP WJA colleagues last year amusingly discovered legacy text in the prtInputType object that says "the Input Class provides..." (and wondered where "Input Class" was defined - it isn't). Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, William Wagner wrote: > Quite an exchange! I admit that I rather got lost after the third volley, > but I see that all is resolved, at least between Ira and Mike. > > But I would like to bring up an observation made at the face to face, which > I thought was quite valid, although it might not seem so to CUPs-oriented > people. Calling this proposed capability IPP is not an advantage either to > gain users or implementers. Most users don't know what IPP is, don't use it > and don't care. It is my impression that many printer manufacturers have not > kept up with it, don=92t regard it highly, and want to move on. > > This is not to say that the proposed capability should not build on IPP, > just as it may reasonably utilize other existing methods of device location, > PDLs, etc. Using what has already been worked out is positive and makes > adoption more likely. And IPP is, of course, the basis for our MFD semantic > model. But tying it in too closely so as to make it just another of the > flock of IPP spec's may not give it the attention that it deserves. > > The name suggestion at the Face-to-face was (I think) Print-Everywhere > (which would need a conflict check) although I think Print-Anywhere is more > appropriate (if already a conflict). But the exact name is of less > importance than presenting this as a new capability building on existing > protocols and techniques, of which IPP (or perhaps the PWG print service > semantic model) is one. That is, I believe, what it really is. > > This capability seems like a good thing to me, but I can hear > "IPP-Everywhere" falling with a dull thud on the planning room floors. > > Bill Wagner > > PS: By the way, without questioning the influence of DPA or Tom Hastings' > contribution to the Printer MIB, it certainly is not my recollection that > the Printer MIB was "written by... cut-and-paste from ISO DPA". > > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira > McDonald > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:25 AM > To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 > February 2010) > > Hi Mike, > > OK - I agree with you. > > We can do a single IPP Everywhere spec. =A0Especially, > if we keep the new attribute content minimal. > > The apparently odd boundaries of Semantic Model work > can't really be changed now - but it's no impediment to the > IPP Everywhere work. > > If we do wind up needing technical changes in CUPS > Raster or other document format, the SC is probably > going to make us charter a separate spec, but that's a > future issue. > > So, we'll drop the JXS2 work item and just have IPP > Everywhere Requirements and IPP Everywhere spec. > > I'll review the rest of your comments and try to put out > another draft later this week. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > PS - The Printer MIB was in point of fact written by > Tom Hastings by cut-and-paste from ISO DPA. > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 > =A0734-944-0094 > summer: > =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 > =A0906-494-2434 > > > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >> On Mar 1, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> So you want a single boolean attribute "ipp-everywhere-supported"? >> >> Since we haven't even started down the road of defining the specifics of > IPP Everywhere, I can't say whether I will want it. >> >>> We CANNOT do IPP/2.3 and say "oh that's just IPP Everywhere which >>> is really a bit more than IPP/2.0". =A0Both RFC 2911 and PWG Process >>> don't let us play fast-and-loose with minor version numbers - they're >>> additive in a strict sense. >> >> I don't recall saying I want to do IPP/2.3. =A0I *did* say that I didn't > think we needed a profile for each version of IPP/2.0, IPP/2.1, and IPP/2.2, > but instead we'd have one profile for IPP/2.0 that would essentially create > an IPP/2.05 - IPP/2.0 + what is needed to support basic printing from any > client. =A0IPP/2.1 and IPP/2.2 printers obviously could support IPP Everywhere > as well, but that wouldn't require new versions or "profiles". >> >>> Yes - after much discussion 10 years ago, the charter of the PWG >>> Semantic Model WG - no definitions ever - *is* cast in stone. >> >> I'm not going to argue with you, Ira. But I am concerned that we will end > up writing another set of specs that doesn't actually accomplish what we > want. >> >>> The PWG Multifunction Device WG has to write a spec for every new >>> attribute they add to the SM. =A0So does IPP WG. =A0That's the point of >>> the rigid scope of the PWG Semantic Model WG charter. >> >> In software development, this would be like writing an interface > definition after you spend years developing the software. =A0Most > organizations employ some kind of design process (often in parallel with > prototyping and/or coding) so that the interfaces are well-defined before > the software is finished, otherwise all you get is chaos. >> >> So to say that we're going to define all of these attributes and > operations for a specific protocol first and *then* generalize it in the > semantic model seems backwards and destined for failure or at least years of > delay to get what we have in IPP over to Web Services and other mappings... >> >> Consider the Printer MIB - imagine if the model was done first (or in > parallel) with the MIB. What sorts of changes could you expect? =A0Would = the > resulting MIB be easier to use? =A0Would the mappings to other protocols = be > better/easier to use? >> >>> The mapping of Printer MIB v2 into the XML schema was done 5 years >>> ago as part of WIMS/1.0 and has always been included in the PWG SM >>> XML schema - it's now in System.SystemCapabilities.Subunits. >>> >>> But an IPP mapping (in the current binary transport encoding) needs >>> a spec. >>> >>> To become practical, do you favor a collection attribute or other lighter >>> weight (than a first-class IPP Device object) mapping of Printer MIB? >>> A simple flat mapping to zillions of new IPP Printer attributes is not >>> likely to be well-received by the other PWG members, I think. >> >> I think we need to cherry pick the most useful properties. =A0For CUPS we > found that the printer alert and marker properties are the most important > additions, although I did end up consolidating the prtMarkerSupplies and > prtMarkerColorant properties into the marker-* attributes since the mapping > from supply to colorant is unnecessarily complicated. >> >> We already have a spec for the alerts (PSX), and the IPP Everywhere Wiki > has a page describing the marker-* attributes: >> >> =A0 =A0http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/CUPS+Marker+Attributes >> >> That would yield at most 10 new printer description attributes between the > two specs and would provide all of the information needed for a client to > monitor the current status of a typical printer. >> >> As for collections, I'm not a big fan since every spec that employs them > has implemented several layers of nested collections which are less compact > and harder to support in software and hardware. =A0For example, media-col has > a media-size member attribute collection with two member attributes - > media-x-dimension and media-y-dimension. =A0After implementing media-col > support, I am convinced that it would have been better for us to promote > media-x/y-dimension to be member attributes of media-col directly. 1setOf > collections are similarly problematic due to the added overhead of the > member attributes for every instance, although in some cases the overhead > may be worth it. >> >>> And the PWG SC has not favored mixing new attributes with profiles. >>> If we do that, then I *think* we'll never extend IPP Everywhere - and I >>> don't think we can put PDF or any other rich WYSIWYG document >>> format in as a REQUIRED in the first IPP Everywhere - otherwise, >>> what's the point? >> >> I don't think we will be able to make a "rich" format required in this > decade if we want support for low-end printers (and I know *I* do). > =A0However, we *can* expect that typical workgroup and enterprise printers > will probably support that rich format in order to get the best engine > performance (many already support PDF...) >> >>> I imagine IPP Everywhere/1.0 is raster/graphic only and IPP Eve/2.0 >>> adds a WYSIWYG document format or two. >> >> What's wrong with having a REQUIRED raster format and additional > RECOMMENDED formats (PDF, etc.)? =A0I just don't see the need for multiple IPP > Everywhere versions at this time. >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From sambae89@deuxpointzero.com Tue Mar 2 11:24:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4C93A8C80; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:24:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -75.84 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-75.84 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HELO_EQ_CUST=0.245, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hpfO3sFBPqAT; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from 200-171-229-58.customer.telesp.net.br (200-171-229-58.customer.telesp.net.br [200.171.229.58]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5C63A8C84; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:24:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from 200.171.229.58 by deuxpointzero.com; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:24:18 -0300 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:24:18 -0300 From: ipdvb-archive@megatron.ietf.org Subject: A must have for those in pursuit of a luxurious image. 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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Mar 3 04:46:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DF33A8DBA for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 04:46:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WMepLa-bbsax for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 04:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE5C3A8DBB for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 04:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4405E7AC05; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:45:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from wbmler1.mail.xerox.com (wbmler1.mail.xerox.com [13.13.138.216]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE727ABFC for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from wbmlir1.mail.xerox.com (wbmlir1.mail.xerox.com [13.131.8.221]) by wbmler1.mail.xerox.com (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o23CjWPS022009; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:45:33 -0500 Received: from wbmlir1.mail.xerox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wbmlir1.mail.xerox.com (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o23CjSSh021878; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:45:28 -0500 Received: from USA7061GW002.na.xerox.net (usa7061gw002.na.xerox.net [13.151.210.15]) by wbmlir1.mail.xerox.com (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o23CjN3r021811; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:45:27 -0500 X-XeroxINT-Source-Ip: 13.151.210.15 X-XeroxINT-Source-Name: usa7061gw002.na.xerox.net X-XeroxINT-Reported-Name: USA7061GW002.na.xerox.net Received: from USA7061MS04.na.xerox.net ([13.151.235.15]) by USA7061GW002.na.xerox.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Mar 2010 04:45:15 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28February 2010) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 04:45:12 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003d01caba36$f5db9810$e192c830$@net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28February 2010) Thread-Index: Acq6MZF0DfQ5I1i8T0u/CzDrHgwbxAAAsUGQACXhnXA= References: <002e01caba2b$2882eef0$7988ccd0$@net> <003d01caba36$f5db9810$e192c830$@net> From: "Zehler, Peter" To: "William Wagner" , "Ira McDonald" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2010 12:45:15.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F6FA7B0:01CABACF] X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 4405E7AC05.A936F X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Ira, One thing I see common to internal management and external customers is the= glaze over their eyes when IPP is discussed. They either want new technol= ogy or do not care about the protocol or binding. What they do care about = is what value does a new feature provide. Improving the end user experienc= e and simplifying network printing are of interest to internal management a= nd external customers. The name of the effort should better reflect the va= lue it will bring to adopters.=20=20 Pete PS the only reason there is some management interest in IPP 2.x is that 2.a= nything is better than 1.anything. Improved interoperability is the vector= of differentiation between 1.1 and 2.x. I don't know what level of suppor= t that will result in for our product teams.=20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 -----Original Message----- From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of William= Wagner Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:34 PM To: 'Ira McDonald' Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28F= ebruary 2010) Hi Ira, You can certainly reject my observation, but please do not reject it for something I did not write. Nowhere do I mention bindings or protocol. I refer to names and perceived alignment. My contention was that presenting this as an extension of IPP rather than a new capability that uses existing protocols and methods does not give it the best advantage. This opinion was also voiced by someone else at the meeting, although it did not make it to the minutes. I did not say nor do I necessarily believe that the project should not be done within the IPP WG.=20 I am pleased to hear that you are getting good response to IPP/2.0. I am not, aside from some (maybe unjustified) relief from some that they need not do anything further. Bill Wagner -----Original Message----- From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:56 PM To: William Wagner; Ira McDonald Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 February 2010) Hi Bill, The discussion during the PWG face-to-face clearly stated that the protocol for the first iteration of IPP Everywhere will be IPP application protocol (RFC 2911) over the HTTP/1.1 binding (RFC 2910). Non-IPP bindings are way out of scope at present. IPP Everywhere leverages the considerable momentum behind IPP/2.0. I get frequent private notes from implementors at various of printer vendors working on IPP/2.0 conformance. I'm opposed to renaming/widening the scope of this project. If the PWG Steering Committee decides that this project should move elsewhere from the IPP WG, then we'll have to consider that in the "Elsewhere" working group. In my professional experience, most cellphone and PDA vendors are well aware of IPP, but mostly don't even know that the PWG exists. So I don't like choosing a fuzzy name like "Print Everywhere" (already trademarked, by the way, as is almost every other conceivable "Print Xxx" name). Cheers, - Ira PS - The text descriptions of almost all of the properties in Printer MIB v1 was cut-and-paste verbatim from the ISO 10175 MS Word source and then modified - that's why they're so well aligned. My HP WJA colleagues last year amusingly discovered legacy text in the prtInputType object that says "the Input Class provides..." (and wondered where "Input Class" was defined - it isn't). Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, William Wagner wrote: > Quite an exchange! I admit that I rather got lost after the third volley, > but I see that all is resolved, at least between Ira and Mike. > > But I would like to bring up an observation made at the face to face, which > I thought was quite valid, although it might not seem so to CUPs-oriented > people. Calling this proposed capability IPP is not an advantage either to > gain users or implementers. Most users don't know what IPP is, don't use it > and don't care. It is my impression that many printer manufacturers have not > kept up with it, don't regard it highly, and want to move on. > > This is not to say that the proposed capability should not build on IPP, > just as it may reasonably utilize other existing methods of device location, > PDLs, etc. Using what has already been worked out is positive and makes > adoption more likely. And IPP is, of course, the basis for our MFD semantic > model. But tying it in too closely so as to make it just another of the > flock of IPP spec's may not give it the attention that it deserves. > > The name suggestion at the Face-to-face was (I think) Print-Everywhere > (which would need a conflict check) although I think Print-Anywhere is more > appropriate (if already a conflict). But the exact name is of less > importance than presenting this as a new capability building on existing > protocols and techniques, of which IPP (or perhaps the PWG print service > semantic model) is one. That is, I believe, what it really is. > > This capability seems like a good thing to me, but I can hear > "IPP-Everywhere" falling with a dull thud on the planning room floors. > > Bill Wagner > > PS: By the way, without questioning the influence of DPA or Tom Hastings' > contribution to the Printer MIB, it certainly is not my recollection that > the Printer MIB was "written by... cut-and-paste from ISO DPA". > > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira > McDonald > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:25 AM > To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 > February 2010) > > Hi Mike, > > OK - I agree with you. > > We can do a single IPP Everywhere spec. =A0Especially, > if we keep the new attribute content minimal. > > The apparently odd boundaries of Semantic Model work > can't really be changed now - but it's no impediment to the > IPP Everywhere work. > > If we do wind up needing technical changes in CUPS > Raster or other document format, the SC is probably > going to make us charter a separate spec, but that's a > future issue. > > So, we'll drop the JXS2 work item and just have IPP > Everywhere Requirements and IPP Everywhere spec. > > I'll review the rest of your comments and try to put out > another draft later this week. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > PS - The Printer MIB was in point of fact written by > Tom Hastings by cut-and-paste from ISO DPA. > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 > =A0734-944-0094 > summer: > =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 > =A0906-494-2434 > > > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >> On Mar 1, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> So you want a single boolean attribute "ipp-everywhere-supported"? >> >> Since we haven't even started down the road of defining the specifics of > IPP Everywhere, I can't say whether I will want it. >> >>> We CANNOT do IPP/2.3 and say "oh that's just IPP Everywhere which >>> is really a bit more than IPP/2.0". =A0Both RFC 2911 and PWG Process >>> don't let us play fast-and-loose with minor version numbers - they're >>> additive in a strict sense. >> >> I don't recall saying I want to do IPP/2.3. =A0I *did* say that I didn't > think we needed a profile for each version of IPP/2.0, IPP/2.1, and IPP/2.2, > but instead we'd have one profile for IPP/2.0 that would essentially create > an IPP/2.05 - IPP/2.0 + what is needed to support basic printing from any > client. =A0IPP/2.1 and IPP/2.2 printers obviously could support IPP Everywhere > as well, but that wouldn't require new versions or "profiles". >> >>> Yes - after much discussion 10 years ago, the charter of the PWG >>> Semantic Model WG - no definitions ever - *is* cast in stone. >> >> I'm not going to argue with you, Ira. But I am concerned that we will end > up writing another set of specs that doesn't actually accomplish what we > want. >> >>> The PWG Multifunction Device WG has to write a spec for every new >>> attribute they add to the SM. =A0So does IPP WG. =A0That's the point of >>> the rigid scope of the PWG Semantic Model WG charter. >> >> In software development, this would be like writing an interface > definition after you spend years developing the software. =A0Most > organizations employ some kind of design process (often in parallel with > prototyping and/or coding) so that the interfaces are well-defined before > the software is finished, otherwise all you get is chaos. >> >> So to say that we're going to define all of these attributes and > operations for a specific protocol first and *then* generalize it in the > semantic model seems backwards and destined for failure or at least years of > delay to get what we have in IPP over to Web Services and other mappings... >> >> Consider the Printer MIB - imagine if the model was done first (or in > parallel) with the MIB. What sorts of changes could you expect? =A0Would = the > resulting MIB be easier to use? =A0Would the mappings to other protocols = be > better/easier to use? >> >>> The mapping of Printer MIB v2 into the XML schema was done 5 years >>> ago as part of WIMS/1.0 and has always been included in the PWG SM >>> XML schema - it's now in System.SystemCapabilities.Subunits. >>> >>> But an IPP mapping (in the current binary transport encoding) needs >>> a spec. >>> >>> To become practical, do you favor a collection attribute or other lighter >>> weight (than a first-class IPP Device object) mapping of Printer MIB? >>> A simple flat mapping to zillions of new IPP Printer attributes is not >>> likely to be well-received by the other PWG members, I think. >> >> I think we need to cherry pick the most useful properties. =A0For CUPS we > found that the printer alert and marker properties are the most important > additions, although I did end up consolidating the prtMarkerSupplies and > prtMarkerColorant properties into the marker-* attributes since the mapping > from supply to colorant is unnecessarily complicated. >> >> We already have a spec for the alerts (PSX), and the IPP Everywhere Wiki > has a page describing the marker-* attributes: >> >> =A0 =A0http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/CUPS+Marker+Attributes >> >> That would yield at most 10 new printer description attributes between the > two specs and would provide all of the information needed for a client to > monitor the current status of a typical printer. >> >> As for collections, I'm not a big fan since every spec that employs them > has implemented several layers of nested collections which are less compact > and harder to support in software and hardware. =A0For example, media-col has > a media-size member attribute collection with two member attributes - > media-x-dimension and media-y-dimension. =A0After implementing media-col > support, I am convinced that it would have been better for us to promote > media-x/y-dimension to be member attributes of media-col directly. 1setOf > collections are similarly problematic due to the added overhead of the > member attributes for every instance, although in some cases the overhead > may be worth it. >> >>> And the PWG SC has not favored mixing new attributes with profiles. >>> If we do that, then I *think* we'll never extend IPP Everywhere - and I >>> don't think we can put PDF or any other rich WYSIWYG document >>> format in as a REQUIRED in the first IPP Everywhere - otherwise, >>> what's the point? >> >> I don't think we will be able to make a "rich" format required in this > decade if we want support for low-end printers (and I know *I* do). > =A0However, we *can* expect that typical workgroup and enterprise printers > will probably support that rich format in order to get the best engine > performance (many already support PDF...) >> >>> I imagine IPP Everywhere/1.0 is raster/graphic only and IPP Eve/2.0 >>> adds a WYSIWYG document format or two. >> >> What's wrong with having a REQUIRED raster format and additional > RECOMMENDED formats (PDF, etc.)? =A0I just don't see the need for multiple IPP > Everywhere versions at this time. >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org Wed Mar 3 05:18:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33FE3A8DB8 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 05:18:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -42.76 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-42.76 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_80=2, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_BROADBND=1.118, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02=0.383, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_3=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_SBL=20, URI_HEX=0.368, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nWsrwUZ6tpzu for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 05:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from 229.26.broadband5.iol.cz (229.26.broadband5.iol.cz [88.100.26.229]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140333A8DC5 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 05:18:33 -0800 (PST) From: "SuperShop on-line" To: ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: For ipp-archive,we return to -80% prices Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100303131834.140333A8DC5@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 05:18:33 -0800 (PST)
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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Mar 3 06:58:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E7A28C2F7 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 06:58:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.491 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.491 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.108, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5CJ33YE+nqw3 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 06:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AF028C2FB for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 06:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED797AC01; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:58:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C721F7ABFB for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so1597330fxm.31 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:57:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=o4OTtkMQSEz4HIBbFUrnQPz/vvL+Om7VUHStZfzthqc=; b=Mp7jPLNL7LQdoOuHPMQl5iwGLJMQ7RH6j+KhZmbiyYCeafzgp0rvIrbILBpKDOce8B BL2iCm+1gFU1Zx9bfpSfqZct4wPrLNa0/TBeRPyuNOc8J7h0EwqCg/FwZJFIu7zsH6mL vkGwFb/CKPV4uZGbdMTD2Qy3kArjXYwEif9tA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=h9uVTkjgS9mtqtji116zPxKLTipTHIr9SGYDqtZjcMxK402l4eyRQYQ7A+B+ikvo45 hxdvEEiadhCxcjcYW16gcY4oeSnrRsN5lNcpJT40KtvoMPVA7kkxy1Z4YS6xWFFCOZce 9tgmX+wMj86QdVnzjlRpxgba/r4jBl+I2ksA0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.15.148 with SMTP id k20mr840648faa.67.1267628261618; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:57:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <002e01caba2b$2882eef0$7988ccd0$@net> <003d01caba36$f5db9810$e192c830$@net> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:57:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28February 2010) From: Ira McDonald To: "Zehler, Peter" , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: DED797AC01.AA3FF X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Pete, For now, this is an IPP extension - thus an IPP title. As I mentioned to Bill, every conceivable "Print Xxx" phrase has already been trademarked. A fuzzy non-IPP name is not appropriate at this stage. All - please send further comments to the second draft that I posted yesterday: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100302.pdf Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Zehler, Peter wrot= e: > Ira, > One thing I see common to internal management and external customers is t= he glaze over their eyes when IPP is discussed. =A0They either want new tec= hnology or do not care about the protocol or binding. =A0What they do care = about is what value does a new feature provide. =A0Improving the end user e= xperience and simplifying network printing are of interest to internal mana= gement and external customers. =A0The name of the effort should better refl= ect the value it will bring to adopters. > Pete > > PS the only reason there is some management interest in IPP 2.x is that 2= .anything is better than 1.anything. =A0Improved interoperability is the ve= ctor of differentiation between 1.1 and 2.x. =A0I don't know what level of = support that will result in for our product teams. > > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 > > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Willi= am Wagner > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:34 PM > To: 'Ira McDonald' > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: RE: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (2= 8February 2010) > > Hi Ira, > > You can certainly reject my observation, but please do not reject it for > something I did not write. Nowhere do I mention bindings or protocol. I > refer to names and perceived alignment. My contention was that presenting > this as an extension of IPP rather than a new capability that uses existi= ng > protocols and methods does not give it the best advantage. This opinion w= as > also voiced by someone else at the meeting, although it did not make it to > the minutes. I did not say nor do I necessarily believe that the project > should not be done within the IPP WG. > > I am pleased to hear that you are getting good response to IPP/2.0. I am > not, aside from some (maybe unjustified) relief from some that they need = not > do anything further. > > Bill Wagner > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:56 PM > To: William Wagner; Ira McDonald > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: Re: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 > February 2010) > > Hi Bill, > > The discussion during the PWG face-to-face clearly stated that > the protocol for the first iteration of IPP Everywhere will be IPP > application protocol (RFC 2911) over the HTTP/1.1 binding > (RFC 2910). > > Non-IPP bindings are way out of scope at present. > > IPP Everywhere leverages the considerable momentum > behind IPP/2.0. > > I get frequent private notes from implementors at various > of printer vendors working on IPP/2.0 conformance. > > I'm opposed to renaming/widening the scope of this project. > > If the PWG Steering Committee decides that this project > should move elsewhere from the IPP WG, then we'll have > to consider that in the "Elsewhere" working group. > > In my professional experience, most cellphone and PDA > vendors are well aware of IPP, but mostly don't even know > that the PWG exists. > > So I don't like choosing a fuzzy name like "Print Everywhere" > (already trademarked, by the way, as is almost every other > conceivable "Print Xxx" name). > > Cheers, > - Ira > > PS - The text descriptions of almost all of the properties in > Printer MIB v1 was cut-and-paste verbatim from the ISO > 10175 MS Word source and then modified - that's why > they're so well aligned. > > My HP WJA colleagues last year amusingly discovered > legacy text in the prtInputType object that says "the Input > Class provides..." (and wondered where "Input Class" > was defined - it isn't). > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 > =A0734-944-0094 > summer: > =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 > =A0906-494-2434 > > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, William Wagner > wrote: >> Quite an exchange! I admit that I rather got lost after the third volley, >> but I see that all is resolved, at least between Ira and Mike. >> >> But I would like to bring up an observation made at the face to face, > which >> I thought was quite valid, although it might not seem so to CUPs-oriented >> people. Calling this proposed capability IPP is not an advantage either = to >> gain users or implementers. Most users don't know what IPP is, don't use > it >> and don't care. It is my impression that many printer manufacturers have > not >> kept up with it, don't regard it highly, and want to move on. >> >> This is not to say that the proposed capability should not build on IPP, >> just as it may reasonably utilize other existing methods of device > location, >> PDLs, etc. Using what has already been worked out is positive and makes >> adoption more likely. And IPP is, of course, the basis for our MFD > semantic >> model. But tying it in too closely so as to make it just another of the >> flock of IPP spec's may not give it the attention that it deserves. >> >> The name suggestion at the Face-to-face was (I think) Print-Everywhere >> (which would need a conflict check) although I think Print-Anywhere is > more >> appropriate (if already a conflict). But the exact name is of less >> importance than presenting this as a new capability building on existing >> protocols and techniques, of which IPP (or perhaps the PWG print service >> semantic model) is one. That is, I believe, what it really is. >> >> This capability seems like a good thing to me, but I can hear >> "IPP-Everywhere" falling with a dull thud on the planning room floors. >> >> Bill Wagner >> >> PS: By the way, without questioning the influence of DPA or Tom Hastings' >> contribution to the Printer MIB, it certainly is not my recollection that >> the Printer MIB was "written by... cut-and-paste from ISO DPA". >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira >> McDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:25 AM >> To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald >> Cc: ipp@pwg.org >> Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 >> February 2010) >> >> Hi Mike, >> >> OK - I agree with you. >> >> We can do a single IPP Everywhere spec. =A0Especially, >> if we keep the new attribute content minimal. >> >> The apparently odd boundaries of Semantic Model work >> can't really be changed now - but it's no impediment to the >> IPP Everywhere work. >> >> If we do wind up needing technical changes in CUPS >> Raster or other document format, the SC is probably >> going to make us charter a separate spec, but that's a >> future issue. >> >> So, we'll drop the JXS2 work item and just have IPP >> Everywhere Requirements and IPP Everywhere spec. >> >> I'll review the rest of your comments and try to put out >> another draft later this week. >> >> Cheers, >> - Ira >> >> PS - The Printer MIB was in point of fact written by >> Tom Hastings by cut-and-paste from ISO DPA. >> >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> winter: >> =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 >> =A0734-944-0094 >> summer: >> =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 >> =A0906-494-2434 >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >>> On Mar 1, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> So you want a single boolean attribute "ipp-everywhere-supported"? >>> >>> Since we haven't even started down the road of defining the specifics of >> IPP Everywhere, I can't say whether I will want it. >>> >>>> We CANNOT do IPP/2.3 and say "oh that's just IPP Everywhere which >>>> is really a bit more than IPP/2.0". =A0Both RFC 2911 and PWG Process >>>> don't let us play fast-and-loose with minor version numbers - they're >>>> additive in a strict sense. >>> >>> I don't recall saying I want to do IPP/2.3. =A0I *did* say that I didn't >> think we needed a profile for each version of IPP/2.0, IPP/2.1, and > IPP/2.2, >> but instead we'd have one profile for IPP/2.0 that would essentially > create >> an IPP/2.05 - IPP/2.0 + what is needed to support basic printing from any >> client. =A0IPP/2.1 and IPP/2.2 printers obviously could support IPP > Everywhere >> as well, but that wouldn't require new versions or "profiles". >>> >>>> Yes - after much discussion 10 years ago, the charter of the PWG >>>> Semantic Model WG - no definitions ever - *is* cast in stone. >>> >>> I'm not going to argue with you, Ira. But I am concerned that we will e= nd >> up writing another set of specs that doesn't actually accomplish what we >> want. >>> >>>> The PWG Multifunction Device WG has to write a spec for every new >>>> attribute they add to the SM. =A0So does IPP WG. =A0That's the point of >>>> the rigid scope of the PWG Semantic Model WG charter. >>> >>> In software development, this would be like writing an interface >> definition after you spend years developing the software. =A0Most >> organizations employ some kind of design process (often in parallel with >> prototyping and/or coding) so that the interfaces are well-defined before >> the software is finished, otherwise all you get is chaos. >>> >>> So to say that we're going to define all of these attributes and >> operations for a specific protocol first and *then* generalize it in the >> semantic model seems backwards and destined for failure or at least years > of >> delay to get what we have in IPP over to Web Services and other > mappings... >>> >>> Consider the Printer MIB - imagine if the model was done first (or in >> parallel) with the MIB. What sorts of changes could you expect? =A0Would= the >> resulting MIB be easier to use? =A0Would the mappings to other protocols= be >> better/easier to use? >>> >>>> The mapping of Printer MIB v2 into the XML schema was done 5 years >>>> ago as part of WIMS/1.0 and has always been included in the PWG SM >>>> XML schema - it's now in System.SystemCapabilities.Subunits. >>>> >>>> But an IPP mapping (in the current binary transport encoding) needs >>>> a spec. >>>> >>>> To become practical, do you favor a collection attribute or other > lighter >>>> weight (than a first-class IPP Device object) mapping of Printer MIB? >>>> A simple flat mapping to zillions of new IPP Printer attributes is not >>>> likely to be well-received by the other PWG members, I think. >>> >>> I think we need to cherry pick the most useful properties. =A0For CUPS = we >> found that the printer alert and marker properties are the most important >> additions, although I did end up consolidating the prtMarkerSupplies and >> prtMarkerColorant properties into the marker-* attributes since the > mapping >> from supply to colorant is unnecessarily complicated. >>> >>> We already have a spec for the alerts (PSX), and the IPP Everywhere Wiki >> has a page describing the marker-* attributes: >>> >>> =A0 =A0http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/CUPS+Marker+Attributes >>> >>> That would yield at most 10 new printer description attributes between > the >> two specs and would provide all of the information needed for a client to >> monitor the current status of a typical printer. >>> >>> As for collections, I'm not a big fan since every spec that employs them >> has implemented several layers of nested collections which are less > compact >> and harder to support in software and hardware. =A0For example, media-col > has >> a media-size member attribute collection with two member attributes - >> media-x-dimension and media-y-dimension. =A0After implementing media-col >> support, I am convinced that it would have been better for us to promote >> media-x/y-dimension to be member attributes of media-col directly. 1setOf >> collections are similarly problematic due to the added overhead of the >> member attributes for every instance, although in some cases the overhead >> may be worth it. >>> >>>> And the PWG SC has not favored mixing new attributes with profiles. >>>> If we do that, then I *think* we'll never extend IPP Everywhere - and I >>>> don't think we can put PDF or any other rich WYSIWYG document >>>> format in as a REQUIRED in the first IPP Everywhere - otherwise, >>>> what's the point? >>> >>> I don't think we will be able to make a "rich" format required in this >> decade if we want support for low-end printers (and I know *I* do). >> =A0However, we *can* expect that typical workgroup and enterprise printe= rs >> will probably support that rich format in order to get the best engine >> performance (many already support PDF...) >>> >>>> I imagine IPP Everywhere/1.0 is raster/graphic only and IPP Eve/2.0 >>>> adds a WYSIWYG document format or two. >>> >>> What's wrong with having a REQUIRED raster format and additional >> RECOMMENDED formats (PDF, etc.)? =A0I just don't see the need for multip= le > IPP >> Everywhere versions at this time. >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >>> >>> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Mar 3 07:38:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB4228C403 for ; 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Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:37:35 -0800 Received: from wvmlir2.mail.xerox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wvmlir2.mail.xerox.com (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o23FbQul011171; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:37:26 -0800 Received: from USA0300GW002.na.xerox.net (usa0300gw002.na.xerox.net [13.135.210.15]) by wvmlir2.mail.xerox.com (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o23FbJ6f011021; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:37:26 -0800 X-XeroxINT-Source-Ip: 13.135.210.15 X-XeroxINT-Source-Name: usa0300gw002.na.xerox.net X-XeroxINT-Reported-Name: USA0300GW002.na.xerox.net Received: from USA7061MS04.na.xerox.net ([13.151.235.15]) by USA0300GW002.na.xerox.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:37:25 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28February 2010) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:37:19 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28February 2010) Thread-Index: Acq64ewkkRM82QViQS2pf0aDj/3n6wAAa/JQ References: <002e01caba2b$2882eef0$7988ccd0$@net> <003d01caba36$f5db9810$e192c830$@net> From: "Zehler, Peter" To: "Ira McDonald" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2010 15:37:25.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CD1F030:01CABAE7] X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: EB4A27AC10.A9C02 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Ira, It seems to me that a statement like "every conceivable "Print Xxx" phrase = has already been trademarked" does not carry much weight given all the perm= utations that are possible and the lack of hard evidence to back it up. I = disagree that "A fuzzy non-IPP name is not appropriate at this stage" since= I consider "IPP Everywhere" fuzzy and does not represent the true nature o= f the project. A name that managers would understand would be helpful to g= ain internal support for the effort. Many participants in the PWG are doin= g PWG work on their own time with little or no corporate support. Addressi= ng the "marketing" aspects of this project, even if it is only for particip= ating company use, should not be dismissed because it does not fit your vie= w of the world. I think the goals of IPP Everywhere are valuable to the in= dustry. I need a better justification than enhancing CUPS as a reason to p= ursue this project.=20=20 I don't see why a title such as=20 "Complete Internet Printing"=20 would be inappropriate given that the PWG discussed this some time ago (see= link below), it is descriptive of the goal, and it is not trademarked (at = least my trademark search showed nothing). http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2000/009929.html=20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 -----Original Message----- From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:58 AM To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald Cc: William Wagner; ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28F= ebruary 2010) Hi Pete, For now, this is an IPP extension - thus an IPP title. As I mentioned to Bill, every conceivable "Print Xxx" phrase has already been trademarked. A fuzzy non-IPP name is not appropriate at this stage. All - please send further comments to the second draft that I posted yesterday: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100302.pdf Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Zehler, Peter wrot= e: > Ira, > One thing I see common to internal management and external customers is t= he glaze over their eyes when IPP is discussed. =A0They either want new tec= hnology or do not care about the protocol or binding. =A0What they do care = about is what value does a new feature provide. =A0Improving the end user e= xperience and simplifying network printing are of interest to internal mana= gement and external customers. =A0The name of the effort should better refl= ect the value it will bring to adopters. > Pete > > PS the only reason there is some management interest in IPP 2.x is that 2= .anything is better than 1.anything. =A0Improved interoperability is the ve= ctor of differentiation between 1.1 and 2.x. =A0I don't know what level of = support that will result in for our product teams. > > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 > > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Willi= am Wagner > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:34 PM > To: 'Ira McDonald' > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: RE: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (2= 8February 2010) > > Hi Ira, > > You can certainly reject my observation, but please do not reject it for > something I did not write. Nowhere do I mention bindings or protocol. I > refer to names and perceived alignment. My contention was that presenting > this as an extension of IPP rather than a new capability that uses existi= ng > protocols and methods does not give it the best advantage. This opinion w= as > also voiced by someone else at the meeting, although it did not make it to > the minutes. I did not say nor do I necessarily believe that the project > should not be done within the IPP WG. > > I am pleased to hear that you are getting good response to IPP/2.0. I am > not, aside from some (maybe unjustified) relief from some that they need = not > do anything further. > > Bill Wagner > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:56 PM > To: William Wagner; Ira McDonald > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: Re: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 > February 2010) > > Hi Bill, > > The discussion during the PWG face-to-face clearly stated that > the protocol for the first iteration of IPP Everywhere will be IPP > application protocol (RFC 2911) over the HTTP/1.1 binding > (RFC 2910). > > Non-IPP bindings are way out of scope at present. > > IPP Everywhere leverages the considerable momentum > behind IPP/2.0. > > I get frequent private notes from implementors at various > of printer vendors working on IPP/2.0 conformance. > > I'm opposed to renaming/widening the scope of this project. > > If the PWG Steering Committee decides that this project > should move elsewhere from the IPP WG, then we'll have > to consider that in the "Elsewhere" working group. > > In my professional experience, most cellphone and PDA > vendors are well aware of IPP, but mostly don't even know > that the PWG exists. > > So I don't like choosing a fuzzy name like "Print Everywhere" > (already trademarked, by the way, as is almost every other > conceivable "Print Xxx" name). > > Cheers, > - Ira > > PS - The text descriptions of almost all of the properties in > Printer MIB v1 was cut-and-paste verbatim from the ISO > 10175 MS Word source and then modified - that's why > they're so well aligned. > > My HP WJA colleagues last year amusingly discovered > legacy text in the prtInputType object that says "the Input > Class provides..." (and wondered where "Input Class" > was defined - it isn't). > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 > =A0734-944-0094 > summer: > =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 > =A0906-494-2434 > > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, William Wagner > wrote: >> Quite an exchange! I admit that I rather got lost after the third volley, >> but I see that all is resolved, at least between Ira and Mike. >> >> But I would like to bring up an observation made at the face to face, > which >> I thought was quite valid, although it might not seem so to CUPs-oriented >> people. Calling this proposed capability IPP is not an advantage either = to >> gain users or implementers. Most users don't know what IPP is, don't use > it >> and don't care. It is my impression that many printer manufacturers have > not >> kept up with it, don't regard it highly, and want to move on. >> >> This is not to say that the proposed capability should not build on IPP, >> just as it may reasonably utilize other existing methods of device > location, >> PDLs, etc. Using what has already been worked out is positive and makes >> adoption more likely. And IPP is, of course, the basis for our MFD > semantic >> model. But tying it in too closely so as to make it just another of the >> flock of IPP spec's may not give it the attention that it deserves. >> >> The name suggestion at the Face-to-face was (I think) Print-Everywhere >> (which would need a conflict check) although I think Print-Anywhere is > more >> appropriate (if already a conflict). But the exact name is of less >> importance than presenting this as a new capability building on existing >> protocols and techniques, of which IPP (or perhaps the PWG print service >> semantic model) is one. That is, I believe, what it really is. >> >> This capability seems like a good thing to me, but I can hear >> "IPP-Everywhere" falling with a dull thud on the planning room floors. >> >> Bill Wagner >> >> PS: By the way, without questioning the influence of DPA or Tom Hastings' >> contribution to the Printer MIB, it certainly is not my recollection that >> the Printer MIB was "written by... cut-and-paste from ISO DPA". >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira >> McDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:25 AM >> To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald >> Cc: ipp@pwg.org >> Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 >> February 2010) >> >> Hi Mike, >> >> OK - I agree with you. >> >> We can do a single IPP Everywhere spec. =A0Especially, >> if we keep the new attribute content minimal. >> >> The apparently odd boundaries of Semantic Model work >> can't really be changed now - but it's no impediment to the >> IPP Everywhere work. >> >> If we do wind up needing technical changes in CUPS >> Raster or other document format, the SC is probably >> going to make us charter a separate spec, but that's a >> future issue. >> >> So, we'll drop the JXS2 work item and just have IPP >> Everywhere Requirements and IPP Everywhere spec. >> >> I'll review the rest of your comments and try to put out >> another draft later this week. >> >> Cheers, >> - Ira >> >> PS - The Printer MIB was in point of fact written by >> Tom Hastings by cut-and-paste from ISO DPA. >> >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> winter: >> =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 >> =A0734-944-0094 >> summer: >> =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 >> =A0906-494-2434 >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >>> On Mar 1, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> So you want a single boolean attribute "ipp-everywhere-supported"? >>> >>> Since we haven't even started down the road of defining the specifics of >> IPP Everywhere, I can't say whether I will want it. >>> >>>> We CANNOT do IPP/2.3 and say "oh that's just IPP Everywhere which >>>> is really a bit more than IPP/2.0". =A0Both RFC 2911 and PWG Process >>>> don't let us play fast-and-loose with minor version numbers - they're >>>> additive in a strict sense. >>> >>> I don't recall saying I want to do IPP/2.3. =A0I *did* say that I didn't >> think we needed a profile for each version of IPP/2.0, IPP/2.1, and > IPP/2.2, >> but instead we'd have one profile for IPP/2.0 that would essentially > create >> an IPP/2.05 - IPP/2.0 + what is needed to support basic printing from any >> client. =A0IPP/2.1 and IPP/2.2 printers obviously could support IPP > Everywhere >> as well, but that wouldn't require new versions or "profiles". >>> >>>> Yes - after much discussion 10 years ago, the charter of the PWG >>>> Semantic Model WG - no definitions ever - *is* cast in stone. >>> >>> I'm not going to argue with you, Ira. But I am concerned that we will e= nd >> up writing another set of specs that doesn't actually accomplish what we >> want. >>> >>>> The PWG Multifunction Device WG has to write a spec for every new >>>> attribute they add to the SM. =A0So does IPP WG. =A0That's the point of >>>> the rigid scope of the PWG Semantic Model WG charter. >>> >>> In software development, this would be like writing an interface >> definition after you spend years developing the software. =A0Most >> organizations employ some kind of design process (often in parallel with >> prototyping and/or coding) so that the interfaces are well-defined before >> the software is finished, otherwise all you get is chaos. >>> >>> So to say that we're going to define all of these attributes and >> operations for a specific protocol first and *then* generalize it in the >> semantic model seems backwards and destined for failure or at least years > of >> delay to get what we have in IPP over to Web Services and other > mappings... >>> >>> Consider the Printer MIB - imagine if the model was done first (or in >> parallel) with the MIB. What sorts of changes could you expect? =A0Would= the >> resulting MIB be easier to use? =A0Would the mappings to other protocols= be >> better/easier to use? >>> >>>> The mapping of Printer MIB v2 into the XML schema was done 5 years >>>> ago as part of WIMS/1.0 and has always been included in the PWG SM >>>> XML schema - it's now in System.SystemCapabilities.Subunits. >>>> >>>> But an IPP mapping (in the current binary transport encoding) needs >>>> a spec. >>>> >>>> To become practical, do you favor a collection attribute or other > lighter >>>> weight (than a first-class IPP Device object) mapping of Printer MIB? >>>> A simple flat mapping to zillions of new IPP Printer attributes is not >>>> likely to be well-received by the other PWG members, I think. >>> >>> I think we need to cherry pick the most useful properties. =A0For CUPS = we >> found that the printer alert and marker properties are the most important >> additions, although I did end up consolidating the prtMarkerSupplies and >> prtMarkerColorant properties into the marker-* attributes since the > mapping >> from supply to colorant is unnecessarily complicated. >>> >>> We already have a spec for the alerts (PSX), and the IPP Everywhere Wiki >> has a page describing the marker-* attributes: >>> >>> =A0 =A0http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/CUPS+Marker+Attributes >>> >>> That would yield at most 10 new printer description attributes between > the >> two specs and would provide all of the information needed for a client to >> monitor the current status of a typical printer. >>> >>> As for collections, I'm not a big fan since every spec that employs them >> has implemented several layers of nested collections which are less > compact >> and harder to support in software and hardware. =A0For example, media-col > has >> a media-size member attribute collection with two member attributes - >> media-x-dimension and media-y-dimension. =A0After implementing media-col >> support, I am convinced that it would have been better for us to promote >> media-x/y-dimension to be member attributes of media-col directly. 1setOf >> collections are similarly problematic due to the added overhead of the >> member attributes for every instance, although in some cases the overhead >> may be worth it. >>> >>>> And the PWG SC has not favored mixing new attributes with profiles. >>>> If we do that, then I *think* we'll never extend IPP Everywhere - and I >>>> don't think we can put PDF or any other rich WYSIWYG document >>>> format in as a REQUIRED in the first IPP Everywhere - otherwise, >>>> what's the point? >>> >>> I don't think we will be able to make a "rich" format required in this >> decade if we want support for low-end printers (and I know *I* do). >> =A0However, we *can* expect that typical workgroup and enterprise printe= rs >> will probably support that rich format in order to get the best engine >> performance (many already support PDF...) >>> >>>> I imagine IPP Everywhere/1.0 is raster/graphic only and IPP Eve/2.0 >>>> adds a WYSIWYG document format or two. >>> >>> What's wrong with having a REQUIRED raster format and additional >> RECOMMENDED formats (PDF, etc.)? =A0I just don't see the need for multip= le > IPP >> Everywhere versions at this time. >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >>> >>> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Mar 3 08:04:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4953728C0F1 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:04:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LaG21C3XzyYz for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:04:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730FD3A879A for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:04:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DED7ABE1; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:04:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B6F7ABC9 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so1672837fxm.31 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:04:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pvbcIy1mHegcHe2x6XEnY7s5TKCZGqIEiQ2KcQUkKrw=; b=aGN9bwKCJVUaGisqLAejrZjl7RYSKHoo1ypwXQjlx/5YB8rZPEm8r946tv07IPPkDc od/d53ZSm3y6nOX8F9XfbzrUqNB5RSjIexLBtEQ/ORX2MtWzttv3lHMj2sCEeC8kSGMy n7CbKChbzBNHX/lguTNoGxNXIP3s6S2u+nTTw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=U/GFREa0N+q4huGGsthNYDG+bpbVJDTh7AwblIkgY/ZJB/BZbfGb+qqlrUZa61k1ls hi6A5IpjFLwS/GALP0EB5YLM1y0RVPYqe2Vou1EromRAx22UcPj7nCzABLAog6OOqcXS 1Cla0xZ61i2Xo83xSuLdSRylykpwTaeOu8vFE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.100.216 with SMTP id z24mr1386663fan.5.1267632241146; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:04:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <002e01caba2b$2882eef0$7988ccd0$@net> <003d01caba36$f5db9810$e192c830$@net> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:04:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28February 2010) From: Ira McDonald To: "Zehler, Peter" , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: D9DED7ABE1.A9A88 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Pete, I welcome any catchy marketing names, but... It's an IPP project - it's not about any other printing protocol or transport protocol. Some other mapping in the future may address a Web Services or other binding - but that's definitely out of scope for years to come - because no such non-IPP protocol is *already* deployed. It's not about enhancing CUPS - CUPS already does most everything needed (including the IPP extension attributes and the multiple discovery protocols) - so the Apple, UNIX, and Linux clients and servers that all run CUPS by default already get much of the client benefit. This proposed project is about mobile devices being able to use the only widespread *currently deployed* modern printing protocol - IPP. The press release for PrintMe in 2002 describes it as the "first complete Internet printing" solution. The exact phrase "Complete Internet Printing" gets 13,600 Google hits this morning. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Zehler, Peter wro= te: > Ira, > > It seems to me that a statement like "every conceivable "Print Xxx" phras= e has already been trademarked" does not carry much weight given all the pe= rmutations that are possible and the lack of hard evidence to back it up. = =A0I disagree that "A fuzzy non-IPP name is not appropriate at this stage" = since I consider "IPP Everywhere" fuzzy and does not represent the true nat= ure of the project. =A0A name that managers would understand would be helpf= ul to gain internal support for the effort. =A0Many participants in the PWG= are doing PWG work on their own time with little or no corporate support. = =A0Addressing the "marketing" aspects of this project, even if it is only f= or participating company use, should not be dismissed because it does not f= it your view of the world. =A0I think the goals of IPP Everywhere are valua= ble to the industry. =A0I need a better justification than enhancing CUPS a= s a reason to pursue this project. > > I don't see why a title such as > > "Complete Internet Printing" > > would be inappropriate given that the PWG discussed this some time ago (s= ee link below), it is descriptive of the goal, and it is not trademarked (a= t least my trademark search showed nothing). > > http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2000/009929.html > > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:58 AM > To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald > Cc: William Wagner; ipp@pwg.org > Subject: Re: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (2= 8February 2010) > > Hi Pete, > > For now, this is an IPP extension - thus an IPP title. > > As I mentioned to Bill, every conceivable "Print Xxx" phrase > has already been trademarked. > > A fuzzy non-IPP name is not appropriate at this stage. > > All - please send further comments to the second draft that > I posted yesterday: > > =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100302.pdf > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 > =A0734-944-0094 > summer: > =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 > =A0906-494-2434 > > > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Zehler, Peter wr= ote: >> Ira, >> One thing I see common to internal management and external customers is = the glaze over their eyes when IPP is discussed. =A0They either want new te= chnology or do not care about the protocol or binding. =A0What they do care= about is what value does a new feature provide. =A0Improving the end user = experience and simplifying network printing are of interest to internal man= agement and external customers. =A0The name of the effort should better ref= lect the value it will bring to adopters. >> Pete >> >> PS the only reason there is some management interest in IPP 2.x is that = 2.anything is better than 1.anything. =A0Improved interoperability is the v= ector of differentiation between 1.1 and 2.x. =A0I don't know what level of= support that will result in for our product teams. >> >> >> Peter Zehler >> >> Xerox Research Center Webster >> Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com >> Voice: (585) 265-8755 >> FAX: (585) 265-7441 >> US Mail: Peter Zehler >> Xerox Corp. >> 800 Phillips Rd. >> M/S 128-25E >> Webster NY, 14580-9701 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Will= iam Wagner >> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:34 PM >> To: 'Ira McDonald' >> Cc: ipp@pwg.org >> Subject: RE: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (= 28February 2010) >> >> Hi Ira, >> >> You can certainly reject my observation, but please do not reject it for >> something I did not write. Nowhere do I mention bindings or protocol. I >> refer to names and perceived alignment. My contention was that presenting >> this as an extension of IPP rather than a new capability that uses exist= ing >> protocols and methods does not give it the best advantage. This opinion = was >> also voiced by someone else at the meeting, although it did not make it = to >> the minutes. I did not say nor do I necessarily believe that the project >> should not be done within the IPP WG. >> >> I am pleased to hear that you are getting good response to IPP/2.0. I am >> not, aside from some (maybe unjustified) relief from some that they need= not >> do anything further. >> >> Bill Wagner >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:56 PM >> To: William Wagner; Ira McDonald >> Cc: ipp@pwg.org >> Subject: Re: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (= 28 >> February 2010) >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> The discussion during the PWG face-to-face clearly stated that >> the protocol for the first iteration of IPP Everywhere will be IPP >> application protocol (RFC 2911) over the HTTP/1.1 binding >> (RFC 2910). >> >> Non-IPP bindings are way out of scope at present. >> >> IPP Everywhere leverages the considerable momentum >> behind IPP/2.0. >> >> I get frequent private notes from implementors at various >> of printer vendors working on IPP/2.0 conformance. >> >> I'm opposed to renaming/widening the scope of this project. >> >> If the PWG Steering Committee decides that this project >> should move elsewhere from the IPP WG, then we'll have >> to consider that in the "Elsewhere" working group. >> >> In my professional experience, most cellphone and PDA >> vendors are well aware of IPP, but mostly don't even know >> that the PWG exists. >> >> So I don't like choosing a fuzzy name like "Print Everywhere" >> (already trademarked, by the way, as is almost every other >> conceivable "Print Xxx" name). >> >> Cheers, >> - Ira >> >> PS - The text descriptions of almost all of the properties in >> Printer MIB v1 was cut-and-paste verbatim from the ISO >> 10175 MS Word source and then modified - that's why >> they're so well aligned. >> >> My HP WJA colleagues last year amusingly discovered >> legacy text in the prtInputType object that says "the Input >> Class provides..." (and wondered where "Input Class" >> was defined - it isn't). >> >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> winter: >> =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 >> =A0734-944-0094 >> summer: >> =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 >> =A0906-494-2434 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, William Wagner >> wrote: >>> Quite an exchange! I admit that I rather got lost after the third volle= y, >>> but I see that all is resolved, at least between Ira and Mike. >>> >>> But I would like to bring up an observation made at the face to face, >> which >>> I thought was quite valid, although it might not seem so to CUPs-orient= ed >>> people. Calling this proposed capability IPP is not an advantage either= to >>> gain users or implementers. Most users don't know what IPP is, don't use >> it >>> and don't care. It is my impression that many printer manufacturers have >> not >>> kept up with it, don't regard it highly, and want to move on. >>> >>> This is not to say that the proposed capability should not build on IPP, >>> just as it may reasonably utilize other existing methods of device >> location, >>> PDLs, etc. Using what has already been worked out is positive and makes >>> adoption more likely. And IPP is, of course, the basis for our MFD >> semantic >>> model. But tying it in too closely so as to make it just another of the >>> flock of IPP spec's may not give it the attention that it deserves. >>> >>> The name suggestion at the Face-to-face was (I think) Print-Everywhere >>> (which would need a conflict check) although I think Print-Anywhere is >> more >>> appropriate (if already a conflict). But the exact name is of less >>> importance than presenting this as a new capability building on existing >>> protocols and techniques, of which IPP (or perhaps the PWG print service >>> semantic model) is one. That is, I believe, what it really is. >>> >>> This capability seems like a good thing to me, but I can hear >>> "IPP-Everywhere" falling with a dull thud on the planning room floors. >>> >>> Bill Wagner >>> >>> PS: By the way, without questioning the influence of DPA or Tom Hasting= s' >>> contribution to the Printer MIB, it certainly is not my recollection th= at >>> the Printer MIB was "written by... cut-and-paste from ISO DPA". >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira >>> McDonald >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:25 AM >>> To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald >>> Cc: ipp@pwg.org >>> Subject: [IPP] Re: Initial draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (28 >>> February 2010) >>> >>> Hi Mike, >>> >>> OK - I agree with you. >>> >>> We can do a single IPP Everywhere spec. =A0Especially, >>> if we keep the new attribute content minimal. >>> >>> The apparently odd boundaries of Semantic Model work >>> can't really be changed now - but it's no impediment to the >>> IPP Everywhere work. >>> >>> If we do wind up needing technical changes in CUPS >>> Raster or other document format, the SC is probably >>> going to make us charter a separate spec, but that's a >>> future issue. >>> >>> So, we'll drop the JXS2 work item and just have IPP >>> Everywhere Requirements and IPP Everywhere spec. >>> >>> I'll review the rest of your comments and try to put out >>> another draft later this week. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> - Ira >>> >>> PS - The Printer MIB was in point of fact written by >>> Tom Hastings by cut-and-paste from ISO DPA. >>> >>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG >>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >>> winter: >>> =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 >>> =A0734-944-0094 >>> summer: >>> =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 >>> =A0906-494-2434 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >>>> On Mar 1, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> So you want a single boolean attribute "ipp-everywhere-supported"? >>>> >>>> Since we haven't even started down the road of defining the specifics = of >>> IPP Everywhere, I can't say whether I will want it. >>>> >>>>> We CANNOT do IPP/2.3 and say "oh that's just IPP Everywhere which >>>>> is really a bit more than IPP/2.0". =A0Both RFC 2911 and PWG Process >>>>> don't let us play fast-and-loose with minor version numbers - they're >>>>> additive in a strict sense. >>>> >>>> I don't recall saying I want to do IPP/2.3. =A0I *did* say that I didn= 't >>> think we needed a profile for each version of IPP/2.0, IPP/2.1, and >> IPP/2.2, >>> but instead we'd have one profile for IPP/2.0 that would essentially >> create >>> an IPP/2.05 - IPP/2.0 + what is needed to support basic printing from a= ny >>> client. =A0IPP/2.1 and IPP/2.2 printers obviously could support IPP >> Everywhere >>> as well, but that wouldn't require new versions or "profiles". >>>> >>>>> Yes - after much discussion 10 years ago, the charter of the PWG >>>>> Semantic Model WG - no definitions ever - *is* cast in stone. >>>> >>>> I'm not going to argue with you, Ira. But I am concerned that we will = end >>> up writing another set of specs that doesn't actually accomplish what we >>> want. >>>> >>>>> The PWG Multifunction Device WG has to write a spec for every new >>>>> attribute they add to the SM. =A0So does IPP WG. =A0That's the point = of >>>>> the rigid scope of the PWG Semantic Model WG charter. >>>> >>>> In software development, this would be like writing an interface >>> definition after you spend years developing the software. =A0Most >>> organizations employ some kind of design process (often in parallel with >>> prototyping and/or coding) so that the interfaces are well-defined befo= re >>> the software is finished, otherwise all you get is chaos. >>>> >>>> So to say that we're going to define all of these attributes and >>> operations for a specific protocol first and *then* generalize it in the >>> semantic model seems backwards and destined for failure or at least yea= rs >> of >>> delay to get what we have in IPP over to Web Services and other >> mappings... >>>> >>>> Consider the Printer MIB - imagine if the model was done first (or in >>> parallel) with the MIB. What sorts of changes could you expect? =A0Woul= d the >>> resulting MIB be easier to use? =A0Would the mappings to other protocol= s be >>> better/easier to use? >>>> >>>>> The mapping of Printer MIB v2 into the XML schema was done 5 years >>>>> ago as part of WIMS/1.0 and has always been included in the PWG SM >>>>> XML schema - it's now in System.SystemCapabilities.Subunits. >>>>> >>>>> But an IPP mapping (in the current binary transport encoding) needs >>>>> a spec. >>>>> >>>>> To become practical, do you favor a collection attribute or other >> lighter >>>>> weight (than a first-class IPP Device object) mapping of Printer MIB? >>>>> A simple flat mapping to zillions of new IPP Printer attributes is not >>>>> likely to be well-received by the other PWG members, I think. >>>> >>>> I think we need to cherry pick the most useful properties. =A0For CUPS= we >>> found that the printer alert and marker properties are the most importa= nt >>> additions, although I did end up consolidating the prtMarkerSupplies and >>> prtMarkerColorant properties into the marker-* attributes since the >> mapping >>> from supply to colorant is unnecessarily complicated. >>>> >>>> We already have a spec for the alerts (PSX), and the IPP Everywhere Wi= ki >>> has a page describing the marker-* attributes: >>>> >>>> =A0 =A0http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/CUPS+Marker+Attributes >>>> >>>> That would yield at most 10 new printer description attributes between >> the >>> two specs and would provide all of the information needed for a client = to >>> monitor the current status of a typical printer. >>>> >>>> As for collections, I'm not a big fan since every spec that employs th= em >>> has implemented several layers of nested collections which are less >> compact >>> and harder to support in software and hardware. =A0For example, media-c= ol >> has >>> a media-size member attribute collection with two member attributes - >>> media-x-dimension and media-y-dimension. =A0After implementing media-col >>> support, I am convinced that it would have been better for us to promote >>> media-x/y-dimension to be member attributes of media-col directly. 1set= Of >>> collections are similarly problematic due to the added overhead of the >>> member attributes for every instance, although in some cases the overhe= ad >>> may be worth it. >>>> >>>>> And the PWG SC has not favored mixing new attributes with profiles. >>>>> If we do that, then I *think* we'll never extend IPP Everywhere - and= I >>>>> don't think we can put PDF or any other rich WYSIWYG document >>>>> format in as a REQUIRED in the first IPP Everywhere - otherwise, >>>>> what's the point? >>>> >>>> I don't think we will be able to make a "rich" format required in this >>> decade if we want support for low-end printers (and I know *I* do). >>> =A0However, we *can* expect that typical workgroup and enterprise print= ers >>> will probably support that rich format in order to get the best engine >>> performance (many already support PDF...) >>>> >>>>> I imagine IPP Everywhere/1.0 is raster/graphic only and IPP Eve/2.0 >>>>> adds a WYSIWYG document format or two. >>>> >>>> What's wrong with having a REQUIRED raster format and additional >>> RECOMMENDED formats (PDF, etc.)? =A0I just don't see the need for multi= ple >> IPP >>> Everywhere versions at this time. >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________________= __ >>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From consumptived380@tpcmgt.com Wed Mar 3 14:58:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36AEF28C19C; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:58:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -37.224 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-37.224 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LFYD2rfy1KRL; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.afmagroup.ma (smtp.afmagroup.ma [196.206.242.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278733A8E18; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from 196.206.242.70 by tpcmgt.com; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:58:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:58:33 +0000 From: ipdvb-archive@megatron.ietf.org Subject: Revamp your relationship, using this To: Message-ID: <000d01cabb25$0cee0530$6400a8c0@consumptived380> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Your road to best-priced cures will be only one click long! Make this click right now and you will get over 400 brands available for fast delivery to your area, plus discounts on 40 of them, which are by the way the most best-selling ones! http://kyx66.paharawid.cn From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Mar 3 22:05:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E843A8A05 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:05:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ur2lNyIbdTF7 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E713A860D for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:05:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F42F7ABE9; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 01:04:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C037ABDF for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 01:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay16.apple.com (relay16.apple.com [17.128.113.55]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895AE87A7F90; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:04:24 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807137-b7bd4ae000000f0d-a3-4b8f4d67c294 Received: from [17.151.87.246] (Unknown_Domain [17.151.87.246]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay16.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 67.A5.03853.86D4F8B4; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:04:24 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael Sweet In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:04:23 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Ira McDonald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Re: Interim draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (2 March 2010) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 7F42F7ABE9.A935E X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org On Mar 2, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Based on Mike Sweet's comments, I have just posted an Interim > draft of the IPP Everywhere Project Charter at: >=20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100302.pdf /= doc > - clean copy with line numbers >=20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100302-rev.p= df > /doc > - redline copy with line numbers >=20 > Please send comments ASAP and before next IPP WG meeting on 15 March. I still think we need to remove OSS-2 and add an objective to identify and/= or (re)define a raster format. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Mar 4 08:22:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6866928C11B for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:22:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.506 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.506 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.093, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NAh0uZYDfBLp for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC30F3A8D3F for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6B17925E; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:21:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2A97925E for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so3007418fxm.31 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:21:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=N51USH7T4JDVGjMFL9mBvKmgC/NTsgiLpjVhQbnFTKM=; b=N+DjPgLOcfWd0S90E9cJZ587uGw4fz/qCEoAUk/37wOdeyrzBI9fJRQpxPw4FXjFEQ ab3/6HvKMe34CSVPxmmf7X3zF/TK7ulkKFJ0rnygRUGL9yw5kbyW0eHsb2kBZ64wz95h Dl28GUZ2//GOcMvb5AQ1k44ppsKzMVQwKCbmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qDgYT+cZyN82PtxHxdoxvoxWncwqVqZswycpp+lnkJzCnxPMflKe7J+IGxHKcnfGDr OSwxzt7ZZvUpNwrRV1iOO0lIstElSrlIkRvL7xcRg0Ok+94WQJ49lHeF2hcvunV/6xhy bmtesf4u/5NSSgMVhugaOvALomKGmv/kL6UAQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.64.141 with SMTP id e13mr3103930fai.101.1267719687383; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:21:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:21:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: Michael Sweet , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Re: Interim draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (2 March 2010) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 0B6B17925E.A9B91 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Mike, If you really think that we're going to need not just a subset of an existing raster format, but actually to (re)define a raster format, then we're going to have to add a 3rd spec. Because the SC will want a separate document, because the PWG prototyping requirements for document formats are much higher - i.e., a full coverage implementation, example files, and details. Both PWG PDF/is and PWG XHTML-Print went through this more stringent process. For PDF/is, the principal editor Rick Seeler (Adobe) just implemented every feature as the design firmed up in his sample documents and demonstrated correct behavior with Acrobat Reader and another application - he also formally collaborated with the PDF/A folks about the nuts and bolts. A raster format is much simpler than PDF but if we bury it in the one standards-track IPP EW spec, then that whole spec will be held up in Prototype status by the more stringent process - not desirable. I suggest, if CUPS Raster is the starting point then Apple and CUPS team revise the CUPS Raster format officially (with a named variant?) to cover the IPP Everywhere mobile requirements and then let the PWG IPP EW just reference that revised format. The new raster format could still be done *with* the PWG, it's just not ideal *in* the PWG (which has put the "don't develop any new document formats" in most every project charter for a decade). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > On Mar 2, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Based on Mike Sweet's comments, I have just posted an Interim >> draft of the IPP Everywhere Project Charter at: >> >> =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100302.pd= f / doc >> =A0- clean copy with line numbers >> >> =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100302-re= v.pdf >> /doc >> =A0- redline copy with line numbers >> >> Please send comments ASAP and before next IPP WG meeting on 15 March. > > > I still think we need to remove OSS-2 and add an objective to identify an= d/or (re)define a raster format. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Mar 4 10:13:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4706528C12E for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:13:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2PgYI6k-7Dyu for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88ADE28C12A for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B23179264; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:13:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7915779264 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ozxB1d00B0EZKEL546Cg80; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:12:40 +0000 Received: from VistaBusiness ([24.61.240.234]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id p6Cg1d004548CT43M6Cg7R; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:12:40 +0000 From: "William Wagner" To: "'Ira McDonald'" , "'Michael Sweet'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [IPP] Re: Interim draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (2 March 2010) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:12:34 -0500 Message-ID: <014c01cabbc6$440fb800$cc2f2800$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acq7wDDHnNXYNWM3TX6STpJsztUfXgAAgE1w Content-Language: en-us X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 9B23179264.A934B X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Considering that, as stated in the PWG Process document, the requirements are established after the Charter is approved, the Charter perhaps should not be so specific. Since requirements have not yet been considered by the group in general, it would seem premature to say whether or not a new protocol may be considered or how many documents must be generated. I would observe that I see nothing in the Problem Statement that clearly predicates either the OSS or OBJ statements. Indeed, this Charter appears to suggest that the solution has already been decided upon, which may indeed be the case. Considering that the problem statement is real and should be addressed for the benefit of the industry as well as the users, presupposing the solution seems inappropriate. At any rate, I suggest dropping OSS-2 and, if desired, making the "use of existing data formats, protocols and bindings" an objective. (I regard objectives as more amenable to reconsideration as a solution to the problem is considered than out-of-scope statements.) I would not suggest adding "(re)design of a raster format" as an objective, although "defining a solution appropriate to a broad range of print capable devices from low end ink-jets to enterprise MFDs" (or whatever) might be an appropriate objective that follows from the problem statement. Bill Wagner -----Original Message----- From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:21 AM To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Re: Interim draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (2 March 2010) Hi Mike, If you really think that we're going to need not just a subset of an existing raster format, but actually to (re)define a raster format, then we're going to have to add a 3rd spec. Because the SC will want a separate document, because the PWG prototyping requirements for document formats are much higher - i.e., a full coverage implementation, example files, and details. Both PWG PDF/is and PWG XHTML-Print went through this more stringent process. For PDF/is, the principal editor Rick Seeler (Adobe) just implemented every feature as the design firmed up in his sample documents and demonstrated correct behavior with Acrobat Reader and another application - he also formally collaborated with the PDF/A folks about the nuts and bolts. A raster format is much simpler than PDF but if we bury it in the one standards-track IPP EW spec, then that whole spec will be held up in Prototype status by the more stringent process - not desirable. I suggest, if CUPS Raster is the starting point then Apple and CUPS team revise the CUPS Raster format officially (with a named variant?) to cover the IPP Everywhere mobile requirements and then let the PWG IPP EW just reference that revised format. The new raster format could still be done *with* the PWG, it's just not ideal *in* the PWG (which has put the "don't develop any new document formats" in most every project charter for a decade). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > On Mar 2, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Based on Mike Sweet's comments, I have just posted an Interim >> draft of the IPP Everywhere Project Charter at: >> >> =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100302.pd= f / doc >> =A0- clean copy with line numbers >> >> =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100302-rev.p= df >> /doc >> =A0- redline copy with line numbers >> >> Please send comments ASAP and before next IPP WG meeting on 15 March. > > > I still think we need to remove OSS-2 and add an objective to identify and/or (re)define a raster format. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Mar 4 10:20:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD4C3A8E06 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:20:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AR5Eg3P1zdUY for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5620B3A8E02 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A942279267; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:20:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9247922A for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so3136758fxm.31 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:20:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=exTftLPr/JJrKXDCxIkgWsw87yez513pFslk7kwkT9E=; b=lf1Dttp3WMjMYE5oa2QayeBbi8f2Oqj5P2IolFAOJds98/9eaD/ojM/EBe0wiNPO6p k2uojt0CZC6U60DLs1QhnmZcZu/lPyS4EIjumrfPWFwMUWBKKlMr1d3FzOMvVTLF4Vne VCpUOYL1IVXrRazqRFsApf+C2UnDM93clTWcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=N6njY0L1jljfUdAMHIfX9QzQViegy/KHziG3o3rPfhdZYOmS1eQn+ey43697yweefR Jx0aD9WtBsoxRU3dWG+Fv5qUJ1BETYYtXZyngvRHWDT+RUDG4TVAEFMDR3YhT4kpaW4D wTd81qDk+Zg+XI7B8Co+v/z6InHPxa194vz3A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.77.91 with SMTP id f27mr2045171fak.60.1267726801476; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:20:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <014c01cabbc6$440fb800$cc2f2800$@net> References: <014c01cabbc6$440fb800$cc2f2800$@net> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:20:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [IPP] Re: Interim draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (2 March 2010) From: Ira McDonald To: William Wagner , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: A942279267.A9028 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Bill, Agreed - I'll rewrite it as an Objective per your suggestions. But I'll note, that if we do decide we need a new document format (new protocols are out-of-scope entirely in IPP EW), we'll have to revise and re-approve the charter. Working Group charters have open-ended continuing update activities. But Project charters have always had to enumerate and give a proposed schedule for every deliverable spec. For example, we had to revise IPPv2 Charter to allow Tom to finish the spec that's now known as JPS2. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:12 PM, William Wagner wrot= e: > Considering that, as stated in the PWG Process document, the requirements > are established after the Charter is approved, the Charter perhaps should > not be so specific. Since requirements have not yet been considered by the > group in general, it would seem premature to say whether or not a new > protocol may be considered or how many documents must be generated. > > I would observe that I see nothing in the Problem Statement that clearly > predicates either the OSS or OBJ statements. Indeed, this Charter appears= to > suggest that the solution has already been decided upon, which may indeed= be > the case. Considering that the problem statement is real and should be > addressed for the benefit of the industry as well as the users, presuppos= ing > the solution seems inappropriate. > > At any rate, I suggest dropping OSS-2 and, if desired, making the "use of > existing data formats, protocols and bindings" an objective. (I regard > objectives as more amenable to reconsideration as a solution to the probl= em > is considered than out-of-scope statements.) I would not suggest adding > "(re)design of a raster format" as an objective, although "defining a > solution appropriate to a broad range of print capable devices from low e= nd > ink-jets to enterprise MFDs" (or whatever) might be an appropriate object= ive > that follows from the problem statement. > > Bill Wagner > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira > McDonald > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:21 AM > To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Re: Interim draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (2 Mar= ch > 2010) > > Hi Mike, > > If you really think that we're going to need not just a subset of > an existing raster format, but actually to (re)define a raster > format, then we're going to have to add a 3rd spec. > > Because the SC will want a separate document, because the > PWG prototyping requirements for document formats are much > higher - i.e., a full coverage implementation, example files, and > details. > > Both PWG PDF/is and PWG XHTML-Print went through this > more stringent process. > > For PDF/is, the principal editor Rick Seeler (Adobe) just > implemented every feature as the design firmed up in his > sample documents and demonstrated correct behavior with > Acrobat Reader and another application - he also formally > collaborated with the PDF/A folks about the nuts and bolts. > > A raster format is much simpler than PDF but if we bury it in > the one standards-track IPP EW spec, then that whole spec > will be held up in Prototype status by the more stringent > process - not desirable. > > I suggest, if CUPS Raster is the starting point then Apple > and CUPS team revise the CUPS Raster format officially > (with a named variant?) to cover the IPP Everywhere > mobile requirements and then let the PWG IPP EW just > reference that revised format. > > The new raster format could still be done *with* the PWG, > =A0it's just not ideal *in* the PWG (which has put the "don't > develop any new document formats" in most every project > charter for a decade). > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 > =A0734-944-0094 > summer: > =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 > =A0906-494-2434 > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:04 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: >> On Mar 2, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Based on Mike Sweet's comments, I have just posted an Interim >>> draft of the IPP Everywhere Project Charter at: >>> >>> =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100302.p= df / > doc >>> =A0- clean copy with line numbers >>> >>> > =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100302-rev= .pdf >>> /doc >>> =A0- redline copy with line numbers >>> >>> Please send comments ASAP and before next IPP WG meeting on 15 March. >> >> >> I still think we need to remove OSS-2 and add an objective to identify > and/or (re)define a raster format. >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Mar 4 10:55:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5779228C0EC for ; 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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 8 13:47:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301CE3A6A4B for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:47:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LBakpfHhRbbU for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034383A6A09 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F49791D3; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:46:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95EC791CD for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qhPX1d00A0cZkys5ElmSK8; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:46:26 +0000 Received: from VistaBusiness ([24.61.240.234]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qlmR1d00J548CT43WlmR0Z; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:46:26 +0000 From: "William Wagner" To: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000001cabf08$c8477410$58d65c30$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acq/CMfWBm/qrN4HRi6Z69lvb4f+9A== Content-Language: en-us X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [IPP] JPS-2 (Restart-Job, Reprocess-Job, Resubmit-Job) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2093554435==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: E3F49791D3.A92C3 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2093554435== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CABEDE.DF716C10" Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CABEDE.DF716C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Understood (I think): A.Restart-Job causes a retained job to be reapplied to the printer. Job-ID etc are retained B. Reprocess-Job causes a copy of a retained job to be created as an independent new job, with its own Job-ID etc, but with all submitted attributes the same as the retained job (except for save and proof) C. Resubmit-Job causes a copy of a retained job to be created as an independent new job, with its own Job-ID etc, but with the potential of changing the values of the attributes in the retained job and adding new attributes. All the values of attributes that are not changed are kept the same as in the retained job (except for save and proof) Question 1: Reprocess-Job can refer to a retained job in the aborted state (RFC3998 para 4.1) Resubmit-Job cannot refer to a retained job in the aborted state (JPS-2 table in para 5.4). Is this difference intended? Question 2: Is a Reprocess-Job with no changed attribute values and no new attributes the same as a Resubmit-Job (with the possible exception of the aborted job distinction)? Thanks, Bill Wagner -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CABEDE.DF716C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Understood (I think):=

 

A.Restart-Job causes = a retained job to be reapplied to the printer. Job-ID etc are retained

 

B. Reprocess-Job caus= es  a copy of a retained job to be created as an independent new job, with its = own Job-ID etc, but with all submitted attributes the same as the retained job (except for save and proof)

 

C. Resubmit-Job cause= s a copy of a retained job to be created as an independent new job, with its own Job= -ID etc, but with the potential of changing the values of  the attributes = in the retained job and adding new attributes. All the values of attributes that a= re not changed are kept the same as in the retained job (except for save and p= roof)

 

Question 1: Reprocess= -Job can refer to a retained job in the aborted state (RFC3998 para 4.1) Resubmit-Job cannot refer to a retained job in the aborted state  (JPS-2 table in p= ara 5.4). Is this difference intended?

 

Question 2: Is a Repr= ocess-Job with no changed attribute values and no new attributes the same as a Resubmit-Job (with the possible exception of the aborted job distinction)?<= o:p>

 

Thanks,

 

Bill Wagner


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I'm sure you just found a bug if there's *any* state table difference between Reprocess-Job and Resubmit-Job. Tom and Mike - comments? We should discuss this bug next week during our continuation of JPS2 review, if not before. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:46 PM, William Wagner wrot= e: > Understood (I think): > > > > A.Restart-Job causes a retained job to be reapplied to the printer. Job-ID > etc are retained > > > > B. Reprocess-Job causes=A0 a copy of a retained job to be created as an > independent new job, with its own Job-ID etc, but with all submitted > attributes the same as the retained job (except for save and proof) > > > > C. Resubmit-Job causes a copy of a retained job to be created as an > independent new job, with its own Job-ID etc, but with the potential of > changing the values of =A0the attributes in the retained job and adding n= ew > attributes. All the values of attributes that are not changed are kept the > same as in the retained job (except for save and proof) > > > > Question 1: Reprocess-Job can refer to a retained job in the aborted state > (RFC3998 para 4.1) Resubmit-Job cannot refer to a retained job in the > aborted state =A0(JPS-2 table in para 5.4). Is this difference intended? > > > > Question 2: Is a Reprocess-Job with no changed attribute values and no new > attributes the same as a Resubmit-Job (with the possible exception of the > aborted job distinction)? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill Wagner > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org Mon Mar 8 14:34:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616713A6A4B for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:34:28 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C2 hex): From: Approved VIAGRA\302\256 Store ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from aacps.org (unknown [80.74.123.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 558523A6953 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:34:07 -0800 (PST) From: Approved VIAGRA® Store Subject: News on myspace To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20100308223409.558523A6953@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:34:07 -0800 (PST)
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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 8 15:24:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA7C3A6767 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:24:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vJ9WE6Foq2IF for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EDE3A672E for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E47791E7; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:24:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB21791E6 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay11.apple.com (relay11.apple.com [17.128.113.48]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7290988709B1; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:24:19 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807130-b7b0aae00000102c-17-4b958723dfea Received: from msweet.apple.com (msweet.apple.com [17.197.41.43]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay11.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id FF.A9.04140.327859B4; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:24:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [IPP] JPS-2 (Restart-Job, Reprocess-Job, Resubmit-Job) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1137) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael Sweet In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:24:19 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <000001cabf08$c8477410$58d65c30$@net> To: Ira McDonald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1137) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 54E47791E7.A918C X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi Bill, >=20 > Your understanding of these 3 operations is correct. >=20 > I'm sure you just found a bug if there's *any* state table > difference between Reprocess-Job and Resubmit-Job. >=20 > Tom and Mike - comments? I thought the difference for Resubmit-Job was that the printer wouldn't be = reprocessing the original document data, and so if the job was aborted (bec= ause of a document issue) there was no way to reprint the job? Tom? >=20 > We should discuss this bug next week during our > continuation of JPS2 review, if not before. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > summer: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:46 PM, William Wagner wr= ote: >> Understood (I think): >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> A.Restart-Job causes a retained job to be reapplied to the printer. Job-= ID >> etc are retained >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> B. Reprocess-Job causes a copy of a retained job to be created as an >> independent new job, with its own Job-ID etc, but with all submitted >> attributes the same as the retained job (except for save and proof) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> C. Resubmit-Job causes a copy of a retained job to be created as an >> independent new job, with its own Job-ID etc, but with the potential of >> changing the values of the attributes in the retained job and adding new >> attributes. All the values of attributes that are not changed are kept t= he >> same as in the retained job (except for save and proof) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Question 1: Reprocess-Job can refer to a retained job in the aborted sta= te >> (RFC3998 para 4.1) Resubmit-Job cannot refer to a retained job in the >> aborted state (JPS-2 table in para 5.4). Is this difference intended? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Question 2: Is a Reprocess-Job with no changed attribute values and no n= ew >> attributes the same as a Resubmit-Job (with the possible exception of the >> aborted job distinction)? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Bill Wagner >>=20 >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From shawlolv1@dimebon.ru Tue Mar 9 13:50:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34D93A69FC for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:50:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -75.057 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-75.057 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_DYNAMIC_SPLIT_IP=3.493, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, HOST_EQ_STATIC=1.172, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ftuv1P7ohYqZ for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from 212.116.177.6.static.012.net.il (212.116.177.6.static.012.net.il [212.116.177.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2313A6812 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from 212.116.177.6 by mail.dimebon.ru; Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:50:39 +0200 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:50:39 +0200 From: ipp-archive@megatron.ietf.org Subject: 1000 singleladies from Russia are online now, have ineterst? 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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Mar 12 13:57:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818793A6836 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:57:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.215 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.215 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.216, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DpEd8DnEW+R2 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:57:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491EB3A67E5 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:57:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E44579249; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:57:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f221.google.com (mail-fx0-f221.google.com [209.85.220.221]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1073679248 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by fxm21 with SMTP id 21so47399fxm.31 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:56:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=x4wILiEzN2eR5IgST0SPHoN0jMM+9fCOcH1TiDSxy5E=; b=H/nKiZGf9+y2+wgwxV9NsZ0A9+uwKI1x9vKdJmyY2To3gUyrzDPsXSVc2FSMkWqTDb T7Bns7OQ42Mxk253gjjmrIHQFkoUt2kCdDqMwfu9AooHDYUeaHWai8//umRVXQeteXLm HHXdbv2BfEKrru8FxqRNRMiV5xuEYBGVCCXHg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Sc3PfNAAhasuxKIpfVFopJx9jGZgNEgikHhCdlbPSaT90Uge28mOwEQtUTxGWxHfn7 jvgVnHCOFK6UylSIZN3rwZnPWwHFxfUQqoQ1p05cpf7Kt3WmnTMuVMZIGtazGTEfErxi rdWHMbLjJ83ZonjFvxIUauH8u19xoLThCqwm4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.5.81 with SMTP id 17mr5891951fau.3.1268431018643; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:56:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:56:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: ipp@pwg.org, Ira McDonald , Michael R Sweet , Paul Tykodi , Tom Hastings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] IPP Agenda - 4pm EST Monday 15 March 2010 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 6E44579249.A886E X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi, [watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up] Reminder of our next IPP WG call: Monday 15 March - 1pm PST / 4pm EST Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request. 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The agenda a= nd venue information can be found at: http://www.pwg.org/chair/meeting-info/april_2010_camas.html This page will be updated with document links as the material becomes avail= able. Because the meeting is being hosted by a PWG member company (Sharp) there w= ill be no meeting=20 fee or hotel block. However, if staying at the Marriot SpringHill Suites yo= u can request the Sharp rate. If you haven't done so already, please visit the April 2010 survey page and= indicate whether you plan to participate in person or call in: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2P8P8WF For those not able to attend in person, the usual telephone bridge number w= ill be provided. The details of the conference call are: Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570 Attendee access code: Please request from the PWG Chair (msweet@apple.com) = if you need it. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Apple-Mail-3-221324482 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii All,

Th= e April 2010 PWG face to face meeting page is now available. The agend= a and venue information can be found at:

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This page will be updated with document links as the m= aterial becomes available.

Because the meeting is = being hosted by a PWG member company (Sharp) there will be no meeting&= nbsp;
fee or hotel block. However, if staying at the Marriot Spring= Hill Suites you can request the Sharp rate.

If you= haven't done so already, please visit the April 2010 survey page and indic= ate whether you plan to participate in person or call in:

For those not = able to attend in person, the usual telephone bridge number will be pr= ovided. The details of the conference call are:

Call= -in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239
Call-in toll number (U= S/Canada): +1 650 429-3300
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9= 570

Attendee access code: Please request from the PWG Cha= ir (msweet@apple.com) if you need i= t.

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From pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 15 10:25:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6907C3A6C84 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:25:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.154 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.154 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.155, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OGgW9gEG99I2 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFDC3A6C96 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D62D791CF; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:20:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Delivered-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f221.google.com (mail-fx0-f221.google.com [209.85.220.221]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1DB791C4 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fxm21 with SMTP id 21so772485fxm.31 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:20:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=x2IntRg6KIEbA8O+ijEJ6KIsie/G43GNEf37OL8nSho=; b=lHp8Uon5lnwGLeExvEw4+TlAKXmtajQIAkTOJv557QTcuiKXQax4Hw45wcul4Hk7Rr juCLJJJyziD3OPSgADKAdlCpfovDGO61DJbdPVniK1B8y/3lB8DTIYQUBKBNOVwXRPl0 IfUdC/2cNoRiBT3HxHXNNouaAQfDWGVNqb278= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=I7uWCvpve9tuyT7p4xJ5Zwxwze3U6EkyT3Q3ZkvWSbvcTe78moLzR/nVhxNOUt7w7p 1C0Zs6bZiN1pbmbX5/srB8dmq/rrpmz/GvVA72JqAhx+D6VOAnqPTZpkD6I001gDxLzf IEgEVpbKvvwxi4TIyKTggZiMqHGWCe/ECx1sI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.164.156 with SMTP id e28mr1361102fay.27.1268673614686; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:20:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: pwg-announce@pwg.org, Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [Pwg-Announce] URL for PWG Cmd Set for 1284 Device ID - for PWG Last Call X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 0D62D791CF.ACB0E X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Hi, Last week, I sent individual reminders to all of the PWG voting members to ask for acknowledgment of their review and comments (if any) on the PWG Command Set Format for IEEE 1284 Device ID. Here's the document URL again: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-pmp1284cmdset10-20100125.pdf Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ pwg-announce mailing list pwg-announce@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/pwg-announce From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 15 10:55:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C603A6A0E for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.601, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_14=0.6, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iLv-o1Qc1Jn8 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA03B3A6899 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5B4791E1; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:54:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from wbmler6.mail.xerox.com (wbmler6.mail.xerox.com [13.13.138.231]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE92791E1 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wbmlir2.mail.xerox.com (wbmlir2.mail.xerox.com [13.131.8.222]) by wbmler6.mail.xerox.com (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o2FHsRcc021994 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:54:27 -0400 Received: from wbmlir2.mail.xerox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wbmlir2.mail.xerox.com (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o2FHsKfN031892 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:54:20 -0400 Received: from USA7061GW002.na.xerox.net (usa7061gw002.na.xerox.net [13.151.210.15]) by wbmlir2.mail.xerox.com (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o2FHs8O1031661 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:54:20 -0400 X-XeroxINT-Source-Ip: 13.151.210.15 X-XeroxINT-Source-Name: usa7061gw002.na.xerox.net X-XeroxINT-Reported-Name: USA7061GW002.na.xerox.net Received: from USA7061MS04.na.xerox.net ([13.151.235.15]) by USA7061GW002.na.xerox.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:54:09 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [IPP] IPP Agenda - LiveMeeting info (participants) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:54:07 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPP] IPP Agenda - LiveMeeting info (participants) thread-index: AcrCL0SHR0iGlt25TZuiR9THDHqCEQCOKqGw References: From: "Zehler, Peter" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2010 17:54:09.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[833B39A0:01CAC468] X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1817736980==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: AF5B4791E1.ABA68 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1817736980== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAC468.83275C97" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAC468.83275C97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Peter Zehler has invited you to attend an online meeting using Live Meeting. Join the meeting. < https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=3DT6BHKW&role=3Dattend&pw=3Drx= GK% 60%5E%244C>=20 First Time Users:=20 To save time before the meeting, check your system to make sure it is ready to use Microsoft Office Live Meeting.=20 Troubleshooting Unable to join the meeting? Follow these steps:=20 =20 1. Copy this address and paste it into your web browser:=20 https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join=20 2. Copy and paste the required information:=20 Meeting ID: T6BHKW=20 Entry Code: rxGK`^$4C=20 Location: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox=20 =20 If you still cannot enter the meeting, contact support =20 =20 =20 Notice=20 Microsoft Office Live Meeting can be used to record meetings. 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M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 4:57 PM To: ipp@pwg.org; Ira McDonald; Michael R Sweet; Paul Tykodi; Tom Hastings Subject: [IPP] IPP Agenda - 4pm EST Monday 15 March 2010 =20 Hi, =20 [watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up] =20 Reminder of our next IPP WG call: =20 Monday 15 March - 1pm PST / 4pm EST =20 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) =20 Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) =20 If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request. =20 =20 Agenda: =20 (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker - Mike? =20 (2) Approve IPP minutes from last meeting - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20100301.pdf =20 (3) Finish review of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v19-20100301-rev. pdf =20 (4) Review IPP Everywhere Project charter (Ira/Mike) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100304.pdf =20 (5) Review IPP/2.0 Second Edition (Ira/Mike) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226.pdf =20 (6) Next Steps - Next IPP WG Call - 29 March =20 Cheers, - Ira (IPP co-editor) =20 Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. =20 _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAC468.83275C97 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

Peter Zehler has invited you to attend an online meeting using Live Meeting.


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First Time Users:
T= o save time before the meeting, check your system to make sure it is ready = to use Microsoft Office Live Meeting.
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Voice: (585) 265-8755

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-----Original Message-----
From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 4:57 PM
To: ipp@pwg.org; Ira McDonald; Michael R Sweet; Paul Tykodi; Tom Hastings Subject: [IPP] IPP Agenda - 4pm EST Monday 15 March 2010

 

Hi,

 

[watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Ze= hler can set up]

 

Reminder of our next IPP WG call:

 

 Monday 15 March - 1pm PST / 4pm EST

 

 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239

 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-33= 00 (Primary)

 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-95= 70 (Backup)

 

 Attendee Access Code: *******#

 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

 

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email = me a request.

 

 

Agenda:

 

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker

 - Mike?

 

(2) Approve IPP minutes from last meeting

 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20100301.pdf

 

(3) Finish review of IPP Job and Printer Operations= Set2 (Tom)

 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobp= rinterext10-v19-20100301-rev.pdf

 

(4) Review IPP Everywhere Project charter (Ira/Mike= )

 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100304.pdf=

 

(5) Review IPP/2.0 Second Edition (Ira/Mike)

 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-2= 0100226.pdf

 

(6) Next Steps

 - Next IPP WG Call - 29 March

 

Cheers,

- Ira (IPP co-editor)

 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)

Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG

Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG

IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB=

Blue Roof Music/High North Inc

http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic

http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc

mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com

winter:

  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176<= o:p>

  734-944-0094

summer:

  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839=

  906-494-2434

 

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> > (2) Approve IPP minutes from last meeting > =A0- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20100301= .pdf > > (3) Finish review of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom) > =A0- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v19-20100301-= rev.pdf > > (4) Review IPP Everywhere Project charter (Ira/Mike) > =A0- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100304.p= df > > (5) Review IPP/2.0 Second Edition (Ira/Mike) > =A0- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226.pdf > > (6) Next Steps > =A0- Next IPP WG Call - 29 March > > Cheers, > - Ira (IPP co-editor) > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 > =A0734-944-0094 > summer: > =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 > =A0906-494-2434 > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 15 12:41:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A283A69DE for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:41:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aVHXp8TjTUVD for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A5B3A6991 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437AA791C7; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:40:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB180791B9 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FamilyRoom ([unknown] [173.60.202.216]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KZC006F59ATMMQ5@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for ipp@pwg.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:40:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom Hastings" To: "'Ira McDonald'" , , "'Michael R Sweet'" , "'Paul Tykodi'" , "'Tom Hastings'" References: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:40:02 -0700 Message-id: <3CFEDA945117459784560541B0185623@FamilyRoom> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcrEb/x9mNuBIRpmSLWMGLHKJMvMZAABvKCA X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-reply-to: X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] RE: Reminder - IPP Agenda - 4pm EST Monday 15 March 2010 [ I assume 4 PM EDT, not EST = 4:00 PM PDT] X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tom.hastings@alum.mit.edu List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 437AA791C7.A929D X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org -----Original Message----- From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:48 To: ipp@pwg.org; Ira McDonald; Michael R Sweet; Paul Tykodi; Tom Hastings Subject: Reminder - IPP Agenda - 4pm EST Monday 15 March 2010 REMINDER - 1 hour from now Live Meeting link (thanks Pete) is: =20 https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=3DT6BHKW&role=3Dattend&pw=3Drx= GK%60%5 E%244C On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi, > > [watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up] > > Reminder of our next IPP WG call: > > =A0Monday 15 March - 1pm PST / 4pm EST > > =A0Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 > =A0Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) > =A0Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) > > =A0Attendee Access Code: *******# > =A0Attendee ID Code: # (empty) > > If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request. > > > Agenda: > > (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker > =A0- Mike? 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However, it appears that some members have linked this question to responding to the PWG last call request on the Command Set Format for IEEE 1284 Device ID. ( ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-pmp1284cmdset10-20100125.pdf). Please understand that, although these two issues are related: 1. The last call request is not a vote on the document, it is merely a way of determining that sufficient members are aware of the document and have had an opportunity to voice their concerns before the document is finalized and put to ballot 2. The issue of whether the document provides a sufficient mechanism for identifying the important printer language and their variations has been brought up and is being addressed as part of the resolution of last call comments. 3. Adding entries to the IANA PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC is one way of addressing this issue of providing sufficient information in the IEE 1284 Device ID Command string. However, requests to add and entry can be made at any time by supplying the information necessary for the MIB entry to the PWG and the MIB Experts. Submitting the request to the PMP or WIMS list will ensure that the request will be considered and, in the case of any appropriate printer language, will be honored. Although I have no objection to adding more concise CMD strings, it has been pointed out that in many cases there are so many variations of the language extant that it is not feasible to fully characterize the language with a simple string. Therefore, my personal opinion on this issue is that the CMD string, as the Printer MIB object is named, need only identify the language family. That is, it must be sufficient to identify the language format and syntax and to allow basic communication using the printer language. More details can be obtained via MIB queries or, in most cases, by queries in the basic printer language. The potential benefit of the Command Set Format for IEEE 1284 Device ID specification is to provide this basic language information in a consistent, standard, machine-readable way so that it may be used in the various contexts in which it is specified. This adds a significant benefit to the efficient interface with hardcopy devices at comparatively little cost. I strongly urge all interested parties to communicate their concerns, if any, during this extended last call period; and I humbly request that PWG members promptly acknowledge their awareness of the document and either their comments and/or willingness to vote on it. Many thanks, Bill Wagner, Chair, PMP and WIMS/PWG -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CAC513.08075830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings:

There have been no additional comments on candidates for inclusion in the IANA PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC. However, it appears that some members have link= ed this question to responding to the PWG last call request on the Command Set F= ormat for IEEE 1284 Device ID.  (<= span style=3D'color:windowtext'>ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-pmp1284cmdse= t10-20100125.pdf). Please understand that, although these two issues are related:

1.     The last call request is not a= vote on the document, it is merely a way of determining that sufficient members = are aware of the document and have had an opportunity to voice their concerns before the document is finalized and put to ballot

2.     The issue of whether the docum= ent provides a sufficient mechanism for identifying the important printer langu= age and their variations has been brought up and is being addressed as part of the = resolution of last call comments.

3.     Adding entries to the <= span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>IANA PrtInterpreterLangFamilyT= C is one way of addressing this issue of providing sufficient information in the= IEE 1284 Device ID Command string. However, requests to add  and entry can= be made at any time by supplying the information necessary for the MIB entry to the PWG and the MIB Experts. Submitting the request to the PMP or WIMS list= will ensure that the request will be considered and, in the case of any appropri= ate printer language, will be honored.

 

Although I have no objection to adding more concise CMD strings, it has been pointed= out that in many cases there are so many variations of the language extant that= it is not feasible to fully characterize the language with a simple string. Therefore, my personal opinion on this issue is that  the CMD string, = as the Printer MIB object is named,  need only identify the language fami= ly. That is, it must be sufficient to identify the language format and syntax a= nd to allow basic communication using the printer language. More details can be obtained via MIB queries or, in most cases,  by queries in the basic p= rinter language.

 

The potential benefit of the Command Set Format for IEEE 1284 Device ID specification is to provide this basic language information in a consistent, standard, machine-readable way so tha= t it may be used in the various contexts in which it is specified. This adds a s= ignificant benefit to the efficient interface with hardcopy devices at comparatively l= ittle cost. I strongly urge all interested parties to communicate their concerns,= if any, during this extended last call period; and I humbly request that PWG members promptly acknowledge their awareness of the document and either the= ir comments and/or willingness to vote on it.

 

Many thanks,

 

Bill Wagner, Chair, PMP and WIMS/PWG

 

 

 

 


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I've uploaded v20 of JPS2 edited during the IPP WG telec= on, March 15 along with the updated log section afterwards.  Find the docu= ments at:

 

Comments and revi= sions:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v20-201003= 15-rev.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v20-201003= 15-rev.doc

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No comments no re= visions:

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I’ll try to post another version with the Transiti= on Diagrams added before the next meeting, Monday, March 29, 4 PM EDT =3D 1 PM= PDT.

 

Tom

 


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Remember that night in the hotel? http://haynes75.spaces.live.com From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 29 00:21:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911FB3A69B0 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 00:21:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.733 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.733 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_75=0.6, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aJ-ANnhRieM8 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 00:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CB23A6783 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 00:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F80F791B0; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 03:21:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95250791AB for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 03:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FamilyRoom ([unknown] [173.60.199.186]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L0100G2S8FBTGK5@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for ipp@pwg.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 02:21:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom Hastings" To: References: <24CB1952FB1645BBBEB56B808C48CF6D@FamilyRoom> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 00:21:11 -0700 Message-id: <8CBC0358609149C492794787C4FA9ABB@FamilyRoom> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcrFQHAcdYqc4voVRnKjqjj/gRbVWAJzz5aw X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-reply-to: <24CB1952FB1645BBBEB56B808C48CF6D@FamilyRoom> X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] I've uploaded v21 of JPS2 to have the new Figures: for review Monday, March 29 at IPP WG telecon X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tom.hastings@alum.mit.edu List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1892710888==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 7F80F791B0.AA541 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1892710888== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_105C_01CACED5.BD0B7100" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_105C_01CACED5.BD0B7100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've updated the Figures and made a v21: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v21-20100328-rev.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v21-20100323-rev.doc The .PDF doesn't have hot links. >From the change log: 17.128 March 2010 (v21) 1. Figure 1: Activity Diagram for "job-delay-output-until": Added this Figure. 2. Figure 2: Activity Diagram for "job-delay-output-until-time": Added this Figure. 3. Figure 3: Activity Diagram for "job-hold-until-time": Redrew this Figure with MS-WORD Drawing. Fixed two bugs: a. horizontal branch should be <= and vertical branch >, i.e., do NOT hold the job if the specified time has exactly arrived. b. The "job-hold-until-specified' should NOT be set in "job-state-reasons" if the time has arrived when other hold reasons apply, so only set "job-state-reasons" if the time has NOT yet arrived by adding extra box. Tom _____ From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Tom Hastings Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:40 To: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] I've uploaded v20 of JPS2 edited during the IPP WG telecon,March 15 I've uploaded v20 of JPS2 edited during the IPP WG telecon, March 15 along with the updated log section afterwards. Find the documents at: Comments and revisions: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v20-20100315-rev.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v20-20100315-rev.doc No comments no revisions: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v20-20100315.pdf Comments and no revisions: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v20-20100315.doc I'll try to post another version with the Transition Diagrams added before the next meeting, Monday, March 29, 4 PM EDT = 1 PM PDT. Tom -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_NextPart_000_105C_01CACED5.BD0B7100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’ve updated the Figures and mad= e a v21:

 

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v21-201003= 28-rev.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v21-201003= 23-rev.doc

= 17.128 March 2010 (v21)

1.       Figure 1: Activity Diagram for= "job-delay-output-until": Added this Figure.

2.       Figure 2: Activity Diagram for= "job-delay-output-until-time": Added this Figure.

3.       Figure 3: Activity Diagram for= "job-hold-until-time": Redrew this Figure with MS-WORD Drawing.&= nbsp; Fixed two bugs:

a.       horizontal branch should be &l= t;=3D and vertical branch >, i.e., do NOT hold the job if the specified time h= as exactly arrived.

b.      The "job-hold-until-specified' should NOT be set in "job-state-reasons" if the time has arrived when other hold reaso= ns apply, so only set "job-state-reasons" if the time has NOT yet arrived by adding extra box.

 

Tom

 


From: ipp-boun= ces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf = Of Tom Hastings
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:40
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I've uploaded v20 of JPS2 edited during the IPP WG telec= on, March 15 along with the updated log section afterwards.  Find the documents at:

 

Comments and revi= sions:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v20-201003= 15-rev.pdf

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I’ll try to post another version with the Transiti= on Diagrams added before the next meeting, Monday, March 29, 4 PM EDT =3D 1 PM= PDT.

 

Tom

 


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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 29 04:43:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B593A6923 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:43:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.131 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.131 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wN1THatzqm1L for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3938A3A6A36 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E775791B7; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:44:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from wbmler1.mail.xerox.com (wbmler1.mail.xerox.com [13.13.138.216]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DDB791AD for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wbmlir1.mail.xerox.com (wbmlir1.mail.xerox.com [13.131.8.221]) by wbmler1.mail.xerox.com (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o2TBhmOK018965 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:43:48 -0400 Received: from wbmlir1.mail.xerox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wbmlir1.mail.xerox.com (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o2TBhlSc012255 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:43:47 -0400 Received: from USA0300GW002.na.xerox.net (usa0300gw002.na.xerox.net [13.135.210.15]) by wbmlir1.mail.xerox.com (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o2TBhl4K012230 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:43:47 -0400 X-XeroxINT-Source-Ip: 13.135.210.15 X-XeroxINT-Source-Name: usa0300gw002.na.xerox.net X-XeroxINT-Reported-Name: USA0300GW002.na.xerox.net Received: from USA7061MS04.na.xerox.net ([13.151.235.15]) by USA0300GW002.na.xerox.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:43:42 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:43:41 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IPP LiveMeeting information - 4pm EST Monday 29 March 2010 thread-index: AcrM/4r0J4uvkyqhRR6tf1kjd4H0pwCNMBmA References: From: "Zehler, Peter" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2010 11:43:42.0809 (UTC) FILETIME=[151F9C90:01CACF35] X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [IPP] IPP LiveMeeting information - 4pm EST Monday 29 March 2010 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 2E775791B7.AA01B X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org All, Attendee Live Meeting information for March 29. 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M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 -----Original Message----- From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:14 PM To: ipp@pwg.org; Tom Hastings; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald; Paul Tykodi Subject: [IPP] IPP Agenda - 4pm EST Monday 29 March 2010 Hi, [watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up] Reminder of our next IPP WG call: Monday 29 March - 1pm PST / 4pm EST Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request. Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker - Mike? 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I'll answer you as soon as possible. From pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Tue Mar 30 14:17:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B9C3A6A02 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.132 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.132 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS=1.13, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NP7Y9m0ZRVcJ for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD363A6B2A for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5732B79206; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:17:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Delivered-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7427879202 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zW8V1d00927AodY58ZHQPb; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:17:24 +0000 Received: from VistaBusiness ([24.61.240.234]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zZLz1d008548CT43fZLzBU; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:20:59 +0000 From: "William Wagner" To: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000801cad04e$621c78a0$265569e0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcrQTmHSwu2TL2f6TQOhxi4IX3BcXA== Content-Language: en-us X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [Pwg-Announce] WIMS/PMP slides for April Face-to-face meeting X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1685662366==" Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 5732B79206.AD817 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1685662366== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CAD02C.DB0AD8A0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CAD02C.DB0AD8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The WIMS/PMP plenary and meeting slides for the April Face-to-face meeting are posted at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/f-2-f_slides/WIMS-WG-Plenary-April-2010.pdf and ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/f-2-f_slides/WIMS-WG-Meeting-April-2010.pdf The meetings schedules are posted on the PWG web site, We will have standard call-in capability. Contact the WIMS mail list if you need phone number and/or password. Hope you can participate. Thanks, Bill Wagner -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CAD02C.DB0AD8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The WIMS/PMP plenary = and meeting slides for the April Face-to-face meeting are posted at:=

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/f-2-f_slides/WIMS-WG-Plenary-April-= 2010.pdf and

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/f-2-f_slides/WIMS-WG-Meeting-April-= 2010.pdf

 

The meetings schedule= s are posted on the PWG web site,

 

We will have standard= call-in capability. Contact the WIMS mail list if you need phone number and/or pass= word.

 

Hope you can particip= ate.

 

Thanks,

 

Bill Wagner


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Section 5.3 Close-Job Operation: Added sub-sections for Close-Job Request and Response. 2. Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs: Improved figure and added sub-states of Waiting for Marker to the 'processing' state and Waiting for Processor to the 'processing-stopped' state. 17.229 March 2010 (v22) - during telecon 1. Fixed some things in Figure 1, Figure 2, and Figure 3. 2. Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs: Added this Figure. 3. Section 12 IANA Considerations: Assigned the part number 11 for this PWG 5100.11 document. 4. Section 12.3 Type2 enum attribute value registrations: Assigned enum hex values to Cancel-Jobs (0x0038), Cancel-My-Jobs (0x0039), Resubmit-Job (0x003A), and Close-Job (0x003B) - to agree with IPP 2.0 document. There are still 4 issues to resolve. I'd like to start the discussion on the email list, since we have only three quarters of an hour at the face to face. They are: ISSUE 1: What "job-state-reasons" value should an implementation use that is treating "job-delay-output-until[-time] the same as "job-hold-until[-time]" and puts the job into 'pending-held': 'job-delay-output-until-specified' vs. 'job-hold-until-specified' ISSUE 2: We don't have a description for the new 'job-delay-output-until-specified' value to go into section 10.3 Additional values for "job-state-reasons". ISSUE 3: Is the Sequence Diagram Figure 4 OK (it is drawn for the implementation that processes other jobs after the delay output job has partially processed before the delay date-time arrives)? Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs Here is the current text for helping to resolve ISSUE 1 and ISSUE 2: 7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (dateTime) The OPTIONAL "job-delay-output-until-time" Job Template attribute permits the client to specify a date and time in the future after which the Printer is to delay the output. If the specified date and time has not yet arrived, the Printer MUST set the job's "job-state-reasons" value to 'job-delay-output-until-specified'. However, the Printer MAY perform processing before the specified date and time occurs, but the Printer MUST NOT produce any output until the date and time occurs. A Flow Diagram for Job Creation with the "job-delay-output-until-time" attribute is shown in Figure 2 below. A Sequence Diagram for a job with "job-hold-until-time", a job with "job-delay-output-until-time", and 4 ordinary print jobs is shown in Figure 4 below. The semantics of the "job-delay-output-until-time" attribute are similar to the "job-hold-until-time" Job Template attribute (see Section 7.6 and Table 6, except that for the "job-delay-output-until-time" attribute the job is not put into the 'pending-held' state while waiting for the date and time to occur. Instead, the Printer MAY process the job normally (i.e., by putting the job into the 'pending' and 'processing' states). However, the Printer MUST NOT produce any output until the specified date and time occurs. If the Printer completes the processing and the specified date and time has not yet occurred, the Printer MUST put the job in the 'processing-stopped' state and MUST NOT delay processing or output for any other jobs while waiting for the specified date and time to occur. When the date and time does occur, the Printer MUST remove the 'job-delay-output-until-specified' value from the job's "job-state-reasons" attribute. Then the job can be scheduled and processed, i.e., the job enters the 'processing' state and produces the output. The current text has the following statement that allows an implementation to implement "job-delay-output-until[-time]" the same as "job-hold-until[-time]": If the Printer implementation is not able to put such delayed output jobs into the 'processing-stopped' state and process other jobs, the Printer implementation MUST behave identically to that of the "job-hold-until-time" attribute and put the job into the 'pending-held' state immediately (instead of 'pending' and 'processing'), set the "job-state-reasons" to 'job-hold-until-specified' (instead of 'job-delay-output-until-specified')[th1] <> , and wait for the specified date and time to occur to begin processing the job (see the description of the "job-hold-until-time" attribute in 7.6). I favor REQUIRING such an implementation that is behaving like "job-hold-until[-time] to use the "job-state-reasons" value that goes with "job-hold-until[-time], namely 'job-hold-until-specified', which (always) holds the job in any implementation. I thought it would be confusing to Printer implementers, clients, and users, if the 'job-delay-output-until-specified' value either held a job or did not depending on implementation. Here is my proposal for the 'job-delay-output-specified' "job-state-reasons" value to go into section 10.3 where the other new values are specified: 'job-delay-output-specified[th2] <> ': The value of the job's "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-until-time" attribute was specified with a time period that is still in the future AND the implementation is one which is able to partially process the job without producing any output until the delay period occurs or the date and time arrives while allowing other jobs to process and produce output in the meantime. This value MUST [th3] <> be supported if the "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-until-time" Job Template attribute is supported with an implementation that starts processing the job before the delay period occurs or the date and time arrives. Otherwise, the implemenation MUST use the 'job-hold-until-specified' value. See sections 7.4 and 7.5. It is parallel to the [rfc2911] 'job-hold-until-specified' value which is: 'job-hold-until-specified': The value of the job's "job-hold-until" attribute was specified with a time period that is still in the future. The job MUST NOT be a candidate for processing until this reason is removed and there are no other reasons to hold the job. This value SHOULD be supported if the "job-hold-until" Job Template attribute is supported. Please reply with comments before the face to face. Thanks, Tom _____ [th1] <> ISSUE 1: OK that such an implementation MUST set the "job-state-reasons" to 'job-hold-specified', instead of "job-delay-output-until-specified', so that "job-delay-output-until-specified' is NEVER a hold reason? [th2] <> ISSUE 2: This description OK? [th3] <> ISSUE 4: OK to make this a MUST when RFC 2911 has SHOULD? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_NextPart_001_014A_01CAD0F8.59D9E740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’ve uploaded v33 of JPS2 for the face to face mee= ting next week:

 

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-201003= 30-rev.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-201003= 30-rev.doc

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330.p= df

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330.d= oc

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-2010= 0330-clean.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-2010= 0330-clean.doc

 

The change log for v33 and v32 is:

17.130 March 2010 (v23)

1. = ;      Section 5.3 Close-Job Operatio= n: Added sub-sections for Close-Job Request and Response.

2. = ;      Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram fo= r 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs: Improved figure and added sub= -states of Waiting for Marker to the 'processing' state and Waiting for Processor to the 'processing-stop= ped' state.

= 17.229 March 2010 (v22) - during telecon

1. = ;      Fixed some things in Figure 1,= Figure 2, and Figure 3.

2. = ;      Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram fo= r 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs:  Added this Figure.=

3. = ;      Section 12 IANA Considerations= : Assigned the part number 11 for this PWG 5100.11 document.

4. = ;      Section 12.3 Type2 enum attrib= ute value registrations:  Assigned enum hex values to Cancel-Jobs (0x0= 038), Cancel-My-Jobs (0x0039), Resubmit-Job (0x003A), and Close-Job (0x003B) - to agree with IPP 2.0 docum= ent.

 

There are still 4 issues to resolve.  I’d lik= e to start the discussion on the email list, since we have only three quarters o= f an hour at the face to face.  They are:

 

ISSUE 1:  What= “job-state-reasons” value should an implementation use that is treating “job-delay-output= -until[-time] the same as “job-hold-until[-time]” and puts the job into ̵= 6;pending-held’:

job-delay-output-until-specified̵= 7; vs.

job-hold-until-specified

 

ISSUE 2: We donR= 17;t have a description for the new ‘j= ob-delay-output-until-specified’ value to go into section 10.3 Additional values for “job-state-reason= s”.

 

ISSUE 3: Is the Seq= uence Diagram Figure 4 OK (it is drawn for the implementation that processes other jobs after the delay output job has partially processed before the delay da= te-time arrives)?

 

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pending

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Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and = 4 Regular Jobs

 

 

Here is the current text for helping to resolve ISSUE 1 and = ISSUE 2:

= 7.5   job-delay-output-u= ntil-time (dateTime)

The OPTIONAL "job-delay-output-until-time" Job Template attribute per= mits the client to specify a date and time in the future after which the Printer= is to delay the output.  If the specified date and time has not yet arriv= ed, the Printer MUST set the job's "job-state-reasons" value to 'job-= delay-output-until-specified'.  However, the Printer MAY perform processing before the specified date and t= ime occurs, but the Printer MUST NOT produce any output until the date and time occurs. 

A Flow Diagram for Job Creation with the "job-delay-output-until-time&qu= ot; attribute is shown in Figure 2 below.  A Sequence Diagram for a jo= b with "job-hold-until-time", a job with "job-delay-output-until-time", and 4 ordinary print jobs is shown= in Figure 4 below.  The semantics of the "job-delay-output-until= -time" attribute are similar to the "job-hold-until-time" Job Template attribute (see Section 7.6 and Table 6, except that for the "job-delay-output-until-t= ime" attribute the job is not put into the 'pending-held' state while waiting for the date and time to oc= cur.  Instead, the Printer MAY process the job normally (i.e., by putting the job into the 'pending' and 'processing' states).  However, the Printer MUST NOT produce any output until the specified date and time occurs.  If t= he Printer completes the processing and the specified date and time has not ye= t occurred, the Printer MUST put the job in the 'processing-stopped' state and MUST NOT delay processing or output for any other jobs while waiting for the specifi= ed date and time to occur.  When the date and time does occur, the Printer MUST remove the 'job-delay-output-until-specified' value from the job's &qu= ot;job-state-reasons" attribute.  Then the job can be scheduled and processed, i.e., the job enters the 'processing' state and produces the output.

The current text has the following statement that allows an implementation to implement “job-delay-output-until[-time]” the same as “jo= b-hold-until[-time]”:

If the Printer implementation is not able to put such delayed output jobs into= the 'processing-stopped' state and process other jobs, the Printer implementati= on MUST behave identically to that of the "job-hold-until-time" attribute and put the job into the 'pending-held' state immediately (instea= d of 'pending' and 'processing'), set the "job-state-reasons" to 'job-hold-until-spe= cified' (instead of 'job-delay-output-until-specified')= [th1] , and w= ait for the specified date and time to occur to begin processing the job (see t= he description of the "job-hold-until-time" attribute in 7.6). =

 

 

I favor REQUIRIN= G such an implementation that is behaving like “job-hold-until[-time] to use= the “job-state-reasons” value that goes with “job-hold-until[= -time], namely ‘job-hold-until-specified<= /span>’, which (always) holds the job in any implementation.

 

I thought it wou= ld be confusing to Printer implementers, clients, and users, if the ‘job-delay-output-until-specified̵= 7; value either held a job or did not depending on implementation.=

 

Here is my propo= sal for the ‘job-delay-output-specified’ “job-state-reasons&#= 8221; value to go into section 10.3 where the other new values are specified:

 

'job-del= ay-output-specified[th2] ': The value of the job's "job-d= elay-output-until" or “job-delay-output-until-time” attribute was specified with a time period that is still in the future AND the implementation is one which= is able to partially process the job without producing any output until the de= lay period occurs or the date and time arrives while allowing other jobs to pro= cess and produce output in the meantime.  This value MUST [th3] be supp= orted if the "job-delay-output-until" or “job-delay-output-until-= time” Job Template attribute is supported with an implementation that starts processing the job before the delay period occurs or the date and time arri= ves.  Otherwise, the implemenation MUST use the ‘job-hold-until-specified&#= 8217; value.  See sections 7.4 and 7.5.

 

It is parallel t= o the [rfc2911] ‘job-hold-until-specified’ value which is:=

'job-hold-until-specified':  The value of the job's "job-hold-until" attribute was specified w= ith a time period that is still in the future.  The job MUST NOT be a candidate for processi= ng until this reason is removed and there are no other reasons to hold the job.  This value SHOULD be supported if the "job-hold-until"= Job Template attribute is supported.  

 

Please reply with comments before the face to face.

 

Thanks,

Tom


 [th1]<= /span>ISSUE 1: = OK that such an implementation MUST set the "job-state-reasons" to 'job-hold-specified', instead of "job-delay-output-until-specified', so that "job-delay-output-until-specified' is NEVER a hold reason?=

 [th2]<= /span>ISSUE 2: = This description OK?

 [th3]<= /span>ISSUE 4: = OK to make this a MUST when RFC 2911 has SHOULD?


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