From pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Fri Sep 2 09:25:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF8421F8BC4 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 09:25:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.207, BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eEIfuQeBLbNK for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 09:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C5E21F8BBB for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 09:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7454079609; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 12:26:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Delivered-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.50]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819CA795B8 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 12:26:42 -0400 (EDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from relay14.apple.com ([17.128.113.52]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPS id <0LQW00CAHLK25U81@mail-out.apple.com> for pwg-announce@pwg.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 09:26:41 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807134-b7c71ae0000014d0-09-4e6101e5647b Received: from da0704a-dhcp165.apple.com (da0704a-dhcp165.apple.com [17.197.43.165]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id A2.B3.05328.6E1016E4; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 09:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 09:26:42 -0700 To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Message-id: <0F754C15-208D-4CA1-9C1D-4E6308A32CE4@apple.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1250) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprKLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUieFR7qe4zxkQ/g64vjBZHvsVarGtdzezA 5LH15A82j3mLpzMFMEVx2aSk5mSWpRbp2yVwZRw4385ccES6omf3BbYGxnaJLkYODgkBE4nH 3RldjJxAppjEhXvr2boYuTiEBFYxSbz+28wCkmATUJP4PamPFcRmFkiQuPapC8xmEVCR2PP7 BjOILSzgKfFz5huwehEBCYlp3fPAangFbCSalz9jhrANJT723GSEWCYrsXb/O+YJjNyzkIyd haQMIq4tsWzha+ZZQKcyC+hITF6IJgxhfzx/hGkBI9sqRsGi1JzESkMTvcSCgpxUveT83E2M oMBqKDTZwXjwJ/8hRgEORiUeXs3fCX5CrIllxZW5hxglOJiVRHh/TQQK8aYkVlalFuXHF5Xm pBYfYpTmYFES5/XMiPMTEkhPLEnNTk0tSC2CyTJxcEo1MM5pKRNyM21uKZ2+ct686v177rMy Kv0ruLb1Sf7OX42y1R0/bkiyl2+1VD2wg63i4Puj//e8TL9fxj5NPnFVXrH+8QCrwqgvz8KX bPpQm5t13r37fsrUcxOu8efon1zwzaBIafNsR9MjkruKZidw7Tid77T8zsFVLPzPTXe1xfYK nW66tPzf/2YlluKMREMt5qLiRACrGRwIKAIAAA== X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [Pwg-Announce] REMINDER: PWG October 2011 Face-to-Face Meeting in Cupertino, CA X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1545094388==" Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 7454079609.ACF22 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org --===============1545094388== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6nBQzVGOcrePok7e8C7xSg)" --Boundary_(ID_6nBQzVGOcrePok7e8C7xSg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT [THIS IS A REMINDER, IF YOU HAVE ALREADY FILLED OUT THE SURVEY, THANK YOU AND PLEASE IGNORE...] All, The October 2011 PWG face-to-face meeting page is now available. The agenda and venue information can be found at: http://www.pwg.org/chair/meeting-info/october_2011_cupertino.html This page will be updated with document links as the material becomes available. Please visit the October 2011 survey page PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 23, 2011 and indicate whether you plan to participate in person or call in: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/9X7T32F For those not able to attend in person, the usual telephone bridge number will be provided. The details of the conference call are: Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570 Attendee access code: Please request from the PWG Chair (msweet@apple.com) if you need it. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_6nBQzVGOcrePok7e8C7xSg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
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--=6W3S9OOJPVYONAF-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Sep 9 15:00:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9852021F889A for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:00:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.686 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.686 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BpGFxdQRiERq for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A14921F8A62 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460C0792E5; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 18:02:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f46.google.com (mail-fx0-f46.google.com [209.85.161.46]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886C3792E5 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 18:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fxd22 with SMTP id 22so1217206fxd.5 for ; Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:02:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JeJIBrBTFjj4jpCJfi87JJ71EEg/2WwPKpyTCYJJdec=; b=fq37muuFwpb9QfTPGWYVIwr1p0D00NCt3Uu2sJG6/eyYzsT0maU4gVr7JDpT/OmRbF pQBfT8xIxCcpXVmFk1YC6BX996indr7vxYoc0pdL/b+u1N/ui6g2rTsrKnQR2D7ms1t4 A0MdZyguEMTkfZ1z9qu1uY7fuOvz0qMIiEsro= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.51.195 with SMTP id e3mr1496956fag.118.1315605732625; Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.104.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:02:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 18:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: ipp@pwg.org, Michael R Sweet , Ira McDonald , Harry Lewis Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=0015174481e65b8cd804ac8954d5 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] Re: More fixes in IANA IPP Registry (26 August 2011) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 460C0792E5.A9C25 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --0015174481e65b8cd804ac8954d5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174481e65b8cd104ac8954d3 --0015174481e65b8cd104ac8954d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Amanda Baber has applied all of these latest updates to the IPP Registry. So every PWG spec except for Media Standardized Names (now being updated by Mike Sweet) has been added to the IANA IPP Registry. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Christmas through April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May to Christmas: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi, > > I've just submitted more IANA IPP Registry fixes discovered recently > by Mike Sweet and Harry Lewis (see below). > > I'll keep people posted on IANA progress. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015174481e65b8cd104ac8954d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

Amanda Baber has applied all of these latest updates to the
= IPP Registry.

So every PWG spec except for Media Standardized Names<= br>(now being updated by Mike Sweet) has been added to the
IANA IPP Regi= stry.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software= Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE= -ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Desig= nated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic<= /a>
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorth= inc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 S= aline, MI=A0 48176
=A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 2= 21=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839
=A0 906-494-2434



On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Ira McD= onald <blue= roofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Op= en Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded S= ystems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic<= /a>
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorth= inc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 S= aline, MI=A0 48176
=A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839
=A0 9= 06-494-2434



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--=723t34p39nqy682a4hebpzrfhqzarf2a-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Sep 12 08:42:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C1F21F8B89 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:42:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.548 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.548 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.550, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BEy8y9dLCntG for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3419521F8B88 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DE67953F; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:44:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from EEAEX01.us.epson.net (eeaex01.eea.epson.com [12.9.144.164]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D25479537 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EEAEX02.us.epson.net ([148.130.64.7]) by EEAEX01.us.epson.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:43:47 -0700 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:43:46 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Question on PWG Raster Thread-Index: AcxxYsHtuuPbBz74SQOgfrpQFqPcmg== From: "Petrie, Glen" To: "Michael Sweet" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2011 15:43:47.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2BF1C60:01CC7162] X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0287082976==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 34DE67953F.A8113 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0287082976== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CC7162.C26F1575" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC7162.C26F1575 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael, =20 I finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Raster and had a question. =20 1. For ColorSpaceEnum a. Can you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the new version. Can you remind me why? =20 =20 Glen =20 =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC7162.C26F1575 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Michael,

 

I finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Ras= ter and had a question.

 

  1. For ColorSpaceEnum=
    1. C= an you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the new ve= rsion. Can you remind me why?

 

 

Glen

 

 


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Second question:

 

For “CutMedia”, the specification state to use the “WhenEnum”.  All of the Whe= nEnum are “after” events.  I remember a discussion of “cutting= a page before”.  So, are there any other WhenEnum values that should be= added.

 

Glen

 

 


From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
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Subject: [IPP] Question on P= WG Raster

 

Michael,

 

I finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Ras= ter and had a question.

 

  1. For ColorSpaceEnum=
    1. C= an you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the new ve= rsion. Can you remind me why?

 

 

Glen

 

 


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One more question.=

 

There are two “box sizes”= ;; the Bounding Box and the Image Box.  There is section for the Image Box bu= t not the Bounding Box.  Can you explain the difference between the two boxes.

 

Glen

 

 


From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Monday, September 12, = 2011 9:07 AM
To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.o= rg
Subject: RE: [IPP] Question = on PWG Raster

 

Second question:

 

For “CutMedia”, the specification state to use the “WhenEnum”.  All of the WhenEnum are “after” events.  I remember a discussion of “cutting a page before”.  So, are there any other WhenEnum values that should be added.

 

Glen

 

 


From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Monday, September 12, = 2011 8:44 AM
To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.o= rg
Subject: [IPP] Question on P= WG Raster

 

Michael,

 

I finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Ras= ter and had a question.

 

  1. For ColorSpaceEnum=
    1. C= an you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the new ve= rsion. Can you remind me why?

 

 

Glen

 

 


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The specification states that the sGrayPrimary replaces the white value. I believe the sGrayPrimary replaces the Black value; that is monochrome printing goes from a color-to-white versus a color-to-black. =20 What is your understanding? Or have I misunderstood the meaning and use of this value? =20 glen =20 ________________________________ From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:02 AM To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE:RE: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster =20 One more question. =20 There are two "box sizes"; the Bounding Box and the Image Box. There is section for the Image Box but not the Bounding Box. Can you explain the difference between the two boxes. =20 Glen =20 =20 ________________________________ From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:07 AM To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster =20 Second question: =20 For "CutMedia", the specification state to use the "WhenEnum". All of the WhenEnum are "after" events. I remember a discussion of "cutting a page before". So, are there any other WhenEnum values that should be added. =20 Glen =20 =20 ________________________________ From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:44 AM To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster =20 Michael, =20 I finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Raster and had a question. =20 1. For ColorSpaceEnum a. Can you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the new version. Can you remind me why? =20 =20 Glen =20 =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean.=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean.=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean.=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC716F.46A90C1D Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Another,

 

I believe the sGrayPrimary is used to specify the base color for monochrome printing where the base color is blac= k.  The specification states that the sGrayPrimary replaces the white value.&nb= sp;  I believe the sGrayPrimary replaces the Black value; that is monochrome print= ing goes from a color-to-white versus a color-to-black.

 

What is your understanding?  Or= have I misunderstood the meaning and use of this value?

 

glen

 


From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Monday, September 12, = 2011 10:02 AM
To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.o= rg
Subject: RE:RE: [IPP] Questi= on on PWG Raster

 

One more question.=

 

There are two “box sizes”= ;; the Bounding Box and the Image Box.  There is section for the Image Box but not the Bounding Box.  Can you explain the difference between the = two boxes.

 

Glen

 

 


From: ipp-boun= ces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf = Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Monday, September 12, = 2011 9:07 AM
To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.o= rg
Subject: RE: [IPP] Question = on PWG Raster

 

Second question:

 

For “CutMedia”, the specification state to use the “WhenEnum”.  All of the WhenEnum are “after” events.  I remember a discussion of “cutting a page before”.  So, are there any other WhenEnum values that should be added.

 

Glen

 

 


From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Monday, September 12, = 2011 8:44 AM
To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.o= rg
Subject: [IPP] Question on P= WG Raster

 

Michael,

 

I finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Ras= ter and had a question.

 

  1. For ColorSpaceEnum=
    1. C= an you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the new ve= rsion. Can you remind me why?

 

 

Glen

 

 


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The specification states that the sGrayPrimary replaces the white value. I believe the sGrayPrimary replaces the Black value; that is monochrome printing goes from a color-to-white versus a color-to-black. =20 What is your understanding? Or have I misunderstood the meaning and use of this value? =20 glen =20 ________________________________ From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:02 AM To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE:RE: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster =20 One more question. =20 There are two "box sizes"; the Bounding Box and the Image Box. There is section for the Image Box but not the Bounding Box. Can you explain the difference between the two boxes. =20 Glen =20 =20 ________________________________ From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:07 AM To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster =20 Second question: =20 For "CutMedia", the specification state to use the "WhenEnum". All of the WhenEnum are "after" events. I remember a discussion of "cutting a page before". So, are there any other WhenEnum values that should be added. =20 Glen =20 =20 ________________________________ From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:44 AM To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster =20 Michael, =20 I finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Raster and had a question. =20 1. For ColorSpaceEnum a. Can you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the new version. Can you remind me why? =20 =20 Glen =20 =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean.=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean.=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean.=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean.=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC7170.B5AF1BF1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What are the possible values of R= 20;[color]RenderingIntent”?

 

glen

 


From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Monday, September 12, = 2011 10:13 AM
To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.o= rg
Subject: RE:RE: RE: [IPP] Qu= estion on PWG Raster

 

Another,

 

I believe the sGrayPrimary is used to specify the base color for monochrome printing where the base color is black.  The specification states that the sGrayPrimary replaces the wh= ite value.   I believe the sGrayPrimary replaces the Black value; tha= t is monochrome printing goes from a color-to-white versus a color-to-black.

 

What is your understanding?  Or have I misunderstood the meaning and use of this value?

 

glen

 


From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Monday, September 12, = 2011 10:02 AM
To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.o= rg
Subject: RE:RE: [IPP] Questi= on on PWG Raster

 

One more question.=

 

There are two “box sizes”= ;; the Bounding Box and the Image Box.  There is section for the Image Box but not the Bounding Box.  Can you explain the difference between the two boxes.

 

Glen

 

 


From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Monday, September 12, = 2011 9:07 AM
To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.o= rg
Subject: RE: [IPP] Question = on PWG Raster

 

Second question:

 

For “CutMedia”, the specification state to use the “WhenEnum”.  All of the WhenEnum are “after” events.  I remember a discussion of “cutting a page before”.  So, are there any other WhenEnum values that should be added.

 

Glen

 

 


From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Monday, September 12, = 2011 8:44 AM
To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.o= rg
Subject: [IPP] Question on P= WG Raster

 

Michael,

 

I finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Ras= ter and had a question.

 

  1. For ColorSpaceEnum=
    1. C= an you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the new ve= rsion. Can you remind me why?

 

 

Glen

 

 


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Can you remind me why? We don't currently have device RGB in the list of PwgRasterDocumentTypeSupported keywords. I'm happy to add this, but looking at the previous versions of the PWG Raster spec I don't see it listed... I could see this in the context of scanning and even limited use for printing (a lot of folks use cheap measuring devices and profiling software to produce RGB ICC profiles on the Mac, for example), although I hope it won't get as much use as standard RGB color spaces... ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_Ci6CpW+IGMavf/g7XYkWqg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
On Sep 12, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote:
Michael,
 
I finally got back= to updating my routines for PWG Raster and had a question.
 
  1. For ColorSpaceEnum
    1. Can you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D= Device RGB was removed for the new version. Can you remind me why?<= /font>

<= div>
We don't currently have device RGB in the list of PwgRasterDocume= ntTypeSupported keywords.

I'm happy to add this, b= ut looking at the previous versions of the PWG Raster spec I don't see it l= isted... I could see this in the context of scanning and even limited use f= or printing (a lot of folks use cheap measuring devices and profiling softw= are to produce RGB ICC profiles on the Mac, for example), although I hope i= t won't get as much use as standard RGB color spaces...

____________________= ____________________________________________________
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The current finishing enums include a single "trim" value (the timing is un= defined), and JPS3 adds some additional values to cover what is defined in = PWG Raster. I don't think we need any more values defined... On Sep 12, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote: > Second question: >=20=20 > For =93CutMedia=94, the specification state to use the =93WhenEnum=94. A= ll of the WhenEnum are =93after=94 events. I remember a discussion of =93c= utting a page before=94. So, are there any other WhenEnum values that shou= ld be added. >=20=20 > Glen >=20=20 >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petri= e, Glen > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:44 AM > To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster >=20=20 > Michael, >=20=20 > I finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Raster and had a quest= ion. >=20=20 > For ColorSpaceEnum > Can you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the ne= w version. Can you remind me why? >=20=20 >=20=20 > Glen >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_+klEcppugomxf0Ob9A3QVw) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Glen,

As far as I know, neither Adobe nor the PWG have = defined "before" values for cutting media, and every vendor-specific PDL I = have used similarly either says "cut after X" or "cut now", depending on th= e device.

The current finishing enums include a si= ngle "trim" value (the timing is undefined), and JPS3 adds some additional = values to cover what is defined in PWG Raster. I don't think we need any mo= re values defined...

On Sep 12, 2011, at= 9:06 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote:

=
Second question:
 
For =93CutMedia=94, the specification stat= e to use the =93WhenEnum=94.  All of the WhenEnum are =93after=94 even= ts.  I remember a discussion of =93cutting a page before=94.  So,= are there any other WhenEnum values that should be added.
 =
Glen
 
 

=
From: ipp-bounces@pwg.= org [mailto:ipp-bounc= es@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Mon= day, September 12, 2011 8:44 AM
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Subject: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster
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  1. For ColorSpaceEnum
    1. Can you confirm that the v= alue 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the new version. Can you remind me= why?

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ImageBox is the = bounding box in pixels. Effectively they describe the same thing, but the ImagingBoundingBox values= only support gross approximation of the useful content in the page image... I'll add in the content for ImagingBoundingBox for the next update of the s= pec. On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote: > One more question. >=20=20 > There are two =93box sizes=94; the Bounding Box and the Image Box. There= is section for the Image Box but not the Bounding Box. Can you explain th= e difference between the two boxes. >=20=20 > Glen >=20=20 >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petri= e, Glen > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:07 AM > To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org > Subject: RE: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster >=20=20 > Second question: >=20=20 > For =93CutMedia=94, the specification state to use the =93WhenEnum=94. A= ll of the WhenEnum are =93after=94 events. I remember a discussion of =93c= utting a page before=94. So, are there any other WhenEnum values that shou= ld be added. >=20=20 > Glen >=20=20 >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petri= e, Glen > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:44 AM > To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster >=20=20 > Michael, >=20=20 > I finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Raster and had a quest= ion. >=20=20 > For ColorSpaceEnum > Can you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the ne= w version. Can you remind me why? >=20=20 >=20=20 > Glen >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_3AWay0yr/2SxpK9wqR9Gtw) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ImagingBoundingBox is the old integer points bounding box. ImageBox is the= bounding box in pixels.

Effectively they describe the s= ame thing, but the ImagingBoundingBox values only support gross approximati= on of the useful content in the page image...

I'll= add in the content for ImagingBoundingBox for the next update of the spec.=

On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote:<= /div>
One more= question.
 
=
Glen
 
 
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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent:=  Monday, September 12= , 2011 9:07 AM
To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster
 
Second question:
 
For =93CutMedia=94, the specification state to use the= =93WhenEnum=94.  All of the WhenEnum are =93after=94 events.  I = remember a discussion of =93cutting a page before=94.  So, are there a= ny other WhenEnum values that should be added.
 
Glen
 
 

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Michael,
 
I finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Raster and had a qu= estion.
 
  1. For ColorSpaceEnum
    1. Can you confirm that the value 1 =3D= =3D Device RGB was removed for the new version. Can you remind me why?=
 
 
Glen
 
 

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In the March 26 version in Table 1, = it list the color space value.

 

I would like to know if other print vendors want to put back in “device RGB”.

 

Glen

 

 


From: Michael = Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, September 12, = 2011 12:42 PM
To: Petrie, Glen
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: Question on PWG Raster

 

On Sep 12, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote:<= /font>

Michael,

 

I finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Ras= ter and had a question.

 

  1. For ColorSpaceEnum
    1. C= an you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the new ve= rsion. Can you remind me why?

 

= We don't currently have device RGB i= n the list of PwgRasterDocumentTypeSupported keywords.

=  

= I'm happy to add this, but looking a= t the previous versions of the PWG Raster spec I don't see it listed... I could s= ee this in the context of scanning and even limited use for printing (a lot of folks use cheap measuring devices and profiling software to produce RGB ICC profiles on the Mac, for example), although I hope it won't get as much use= as standard RGB color spaces...

=  

____________________________________= ____________________________________

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=  

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The specification states that t= he sGrayPrimary replaces the white value. I believe the sGrayPrimary repl= aces the Black value; that is monochrome printing goes from a color-to-whit= e versus a color-to-black. >=20=20 > What is your understanding? Or have I misunderstood the meaning and use = of this value? Hmm, I'll change the name and semantics to match your understanding (color-= to-white), e.g. BlackPrimary and that its use is specific to the Black colo= r space (since that is probably the only useful scenario - print black as t= his shade of blue...) >=20=20 > glen >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petri= e, Glen > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:02 AM > To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org > Subject: RE:RE: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster >=20=20 > One more question. >=20=20 > There are two =93box sizes=94; the Bounding Box and the Image Box. There= is section for the Image Box but not the Bounding Box. Can you explain th= e difference between the two boxes. >=20=20 > Glen >=20=20 >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petri= e, Glen > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:07 AM > To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org > Subject: RE: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster >=20=20 > Second question: >=20=20 > For =93CutMedia=94, the specification state to use the =93WhenEnum=94. A= ll of the WhenEnum are =93after=94 events. I remember a discussion of =93c= utting a page before=94. 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On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote:
Another,
 
I believe the sGrayPrimary is used to specify the base= color for monochrome printing where the base color is black.  The spe= cification states that the sGrayPrimary replaces the white value. &nbs= p; I believe the sGrayPrimary replaces the Black value; that is monochrome = printing goes from a color-to-white versus a color-to-black.
 
What is your understand= ing?  Or have I misunderstood the meaning and use of this value?<= /o:p>

Hmm, I'll change= the name and semantics to match your understanding (color-to-white), e.g. = BlackPrimary and that its use is specific to the Black color space (since t= hat is probably the only useful scenario - print black as this shade of blu= e...)

 
One more question.
 
=
There are two =93box sizes=94; the Bou= nding Box and the Image Box.  There is section for the Image Box but n= ot the Bounding Box.  Can you explain the difference between the two b= oxes.
 
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Michael,
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I finally got back to updating my = routines for PWG Raster and had a question.
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  1. F= or ColorSpaceEnum
    1. = Can you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the new = version. Can you remind me why?
 
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On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote: > What are the possible values of =93[color]RenderingIntent=94? >=20=20 > glen >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petri= e, Glen > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:13 AM > To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org > Subject: RE:RE: RE: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster >=20=20 > Another, >=20=20 > I believe the sGrayPrimary is used to specify the base color for monochro= me printing where the base color is black. The specification states that t= he sGrayPrimary replaces the white value. I believe the sGrayPrimary repl= aces the Black value; that is monochrome printing goes from a color-to-whit= e versus a color-to-black. >=20=20 > What is your understanding? Or have I misunderstood the meaning and use = of this value? >=20=20 > glen >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petri= e, Glen > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:02 AM > To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org > Subject: RE:RE: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster >=20=20 > One more question. >=20=20 > There are two =93box sizes=94; the Bounding Box and the Image Box. There= is section for the Image Box but not the Bounding Box. Can you explain th= e difference between the two boxes. >=20=20 > Glen >=20=20 >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petri= e, Glen > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:07 AM > To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org > Subject: RE: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster >=20=20 > Second question: >=20=20 > For =93CutMedia=94, the specification state to use the =93WhenEnum=94. A= ll of the WhenEnum are =93after=94 events. I remember a discussion of =93c= utting a page before=94. So, are there any other WhenEnum values that shou= ld be added. >=20=20 > Glen >=20=20 >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petri= e, Glen > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:44 AM > To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster >=20=20 > Michael, >=20=20 > I finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Raster and had a quest= ion. >=20=20 > For ColorSpaceEnum > Can you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the ne= w version. Can you remind me why? >=20=20 >=20=20 > Glen >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_wdWJbEl3cbR55jfDYmHLEQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Same as the SM element: Absolute, Relative, RelativeBpc, Perceptual, Satur= ation, and Auto.

On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Petrie, Gl= en wrote:
=
What are the possible values of =93[co= lor]RenderingIntent=94?
 
glen
 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of=  Petrie, Glen<= br>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:13 AM
To:
 Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE:RE: RE: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster
<= o:p> 
An= other,
<= o:p> 
I = believe the sGrayPrimary is used to specify the base color for monochrome p= rinting where the base color is black.  The specification states that = the sGrayPrimary replaces the white value.   I believe the sGrayP= rimary replaces the Black value; that is monochrome printing goes from a co= lor-to-white versus a color-to-black.
 
What is your understanding?  Or have I mi= sunderstood the meaning and use of this value?
 
glen
 

From:=  ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]<= span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent: Monday, Septemb= er 12, 2011 10:02 AM
To: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE:RE: [IPP] Question on PWG Raster
 
One more question.
 
There are two =93box sizes=94; the Boundin= g Box and the Image Box.  There is section for the Image Box but not t= he Bounding Box.  Can you explain the difference between the two boxes= .
= &= nbsp;
<= span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria; color: blue; ">Glen
 = ;
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From: ip= p-bounces@pwg.org [ma= ilto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Petrie, Glen
Sent:&n= bsp;Monday, September 12, 2011 9:07 AM
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<= font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Cambria">Second question:
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For =93CutMedia=94, the s= pecification state to use the =93WhenEnum=94.  All of the WhenEnum are= =93after=94 events.  I remember a discussion of =93cutting a page bef= ore=94.  So, are there any other WhenEnum values that should be added.=
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Glen
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Subject:<= /b> [IPP] Question on PWG= Raster
 
Michael,
 =
I finally got back to updating my routines for= PWG Raster and had a question.
 
  1. For ColorSpace= Enum
    1. Can you confi= rm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was removed for the new version. Can = you remind me why?
&= nbsp;
 
Glen
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Can you remind me why? >=20 >=20=20 > We don't currently have device RGB in the list of PwgRasterDocumentTypeSu= pported keywords. >=20=20 > I'm happy to add this, but looking at the previous versions of the PWG Ra= ster spec I don't see it listed... I could see this in the context of scann= ing and even limited use for printing (a lot of folks use cheap measuring d= evices and profiling software to produce RGB ICC profiles on the Mac, for e= xample), although I hope it won't get as much use as standard RGB color spa= ces... >=20=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_CcLJNzx8Mso9p4h6uheoLg) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OK, I see it there, but there was no way to indicate support for this colo= r space in the supporting attribute... :)

On Sep 12, 2011= , at 12:50 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:

In the March 26 version = in Table 1, it list the color space value.
 
I would like to know if other print vendo= rs want to put back in =93device RGB=94.
 
Glen
 
 

From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] 
Sent: = Monday, September 12, 2011 12:42 PM
 Petrie,= Glen
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject:
 Re: Question on PWG Raster
 
On Sep 12, 2011, at 8:43= AM, Petrie, Glen wrote:
Michael,
I= finally got back to updating my routines for PWG Raster and had a question= .
&nbs= p;
  1. F= or ColorSpaceEnum
    1. Can you confirm that the value 1 =3D=3D Device RGB was r= emoved for the new version. Can you remind me why?=
 
<= div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-= break: after-white-space; ">
We don't currently have device RGB in the list of PwgRasterDo= cumentTypeSupported keywords.
 
I'm happy to add this, but looking at the previous v= ersions of the PWG Raster spec I don't see it listed... I could see this in= the context of scanning and even limited use for printing (a lot of folks = use cheap measuring devices and profiling software to produce RGB ICC profi= les on the Mac, for example), although I hope it won't get as much use as s= tandard RGB color spaces...
 
________________________________________= ________________________________
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Please add

 

Section on Bounding Box

Definition (Values) of “OrientationEnum”

 

Suggest adding

Definition (Values) of “FeedOrientationEnum̶= 1;

         =    i.e. Normal = =3D 1, Reverse =3D -1 (??)

 

New Attribute

PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector= ), Photo

This is combined with “= ;OutputType” to optimize output.

This was big discussion in J= TAPI definition and it was determine that is necessary to have both values.=

 


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I.e. if y= ou were plugging these into a transform matrix they would be the X and Y sc= aling values applied to the matrix. >=20 >> New Attribute >> PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), Photo >> This is combined with =93OutputType=94 to optimize output. >> This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine that is= necessary to have both values. >=20 > We don't have this in the semantic model or IPP yet. 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Begin fo= rwarded message:

From: Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com>
= Subject: Re: [IPP] Addition to PWG Raster Spec
Date: September 12, 2011 3:40:54 PM PDT
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To: "Petrie, Glen" <glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com>
On Sep 12, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Petri= e, Glen wrote:

Please add

 

Section on Bounding Box

=

OK.

Definition (Values) of =93OrientationEnum=94

Oops.

Suggest add= ing

Definition (Values) of =93FeedOrientationEnum=94<= /o:p>

         =    i.e. Normal = =3D 1, Reverse =3D -1 (??)


Since these are actual multipliers, not= sure this is necessary. I.e. if you were plugging these into a transform m= atrix they would be the X and Y scaling values applied to the matrix.
=

New Attribute

PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector= ), Photo

This is combined with =93OutputType=94 to optimize output.

This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine that is necessary to have both values.


We don't have this in the semantic model or IPP yet. Where do y= ou propose I put this?

_____________________________________________________________________= ___
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair






_______________________________________________________________= _________
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New Attribute<= /span>

PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector= ), Photo

This is combined with “OutputType” to optimize output.

This was big discussion in J= TAPI definition and it was determine that is necessary to have both values.

 

We don't have this in the semantic model or IPP yet. Where do you propose I put this?

 

I am not sure what you mean “w= here do you propose I put this”?

 

If you mean --

Within the PWG Raster it can occupy = the first; no, better yet the last 4 bytes of the vender data space and shorten= the vendor data space.

 

If you mean--

Where will the information come from= in a SM or IPP “job ticket”; then, I agree there is no source.&nbs= p; But if an application choices to create a PWG Raster file and knows the PrintContentType value; then the application can fill in the field.  T= he default value of zero (‘0’) can represent the value of “u= nknown” or “not specified”.  So the enum could be

 

typedef enum {

      =       NotSpecifed =3D 0,

      =       TextOnly,

      =       TextAndGraphics,

      =       GraphicsOnly,

      =       Photo

} ContentTypeEnum<= /font>

 



 


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So we'd add it to JPS3 for IPP, I presume. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Christmas through April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May to Christmas: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Petrie, Glen w= rote: > ** ** > > ** ** > > **** > > New Attribute**** > > PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), Photo******** > > This is combined with =93OutputType=94 to optimize output.******** > > This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine that is > necessary to have both values.**** > > ** ** > **** > > We don't have this in the semantic model or IPP yet. Where do you propose= I > put this?**** > > ** ** > > I am not sure what you mean =93where do you propose I put this=94?**** > > ** ** > > If you mean --**** > > Within the PWG Raster it can occupy the first; no, better yet the last 4 > bytes of the vender data space and shorten the vendor data space.**** > > ** ** > > If you mean--**** > > Where will the information come from in a SM or IPP =93job ticket=94; the= n, I > agree there is no source. But if an application choices to create a PWG > Raster file and knows the PrintContentType value; then the application can > fill in the field. The default value of zero (=910=92) can represent the= value > of =93unknown=94 or =93not specified=94. So the enum could be**** > > ** ** > > typedef enum {**** > > NotSpecifed =3D 0,**** > > TextOnly,**** > > TextAndGraphics,**** > > GraphicsOnly,**** > > Photo**** > > } ContentTypeEnum**** > > ** ** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --00151747b4e6ee7cd904acc770f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

About "where" - I suggest that this is an IPP Job Temp= late
class attribute and belongs in the PWG Job Ticket as well.
So we= 'd add it to JPS3 for IPP, I presume.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Op= en Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded S= ystems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic<= /a>
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On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Petrie,= Glen <g= len.petrie@eitc.epson.com> wrote:

=A0<= /u>

=A0

New Attribute

PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, G= raphics(vector), Photo

This is combi= ned with =93OutputType=94 to optimize output.<= /u>

This was big = discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine that is necessary to have both values.

=A0

We don't have this in the semantic model o= r IPP yet. Where do you propose I put this?

=A0

I am not sure = what you mean =93where do you propose I put this=94?

=A0<= /u>

If you mean --=

Within the PWG= Raster it can occupy the first; no, better yet the last 4 bytes of the vender data space and shorten= the vendor data space.

=A0<= /u>

If you mean--<= u>

Where will the= information come from in a SM or IPP =93job ticket=94; then, I agree there is no source.=A0 But if an application choices to create a PWG Raster file and knows the PrintContentType value; then the application can fill in the field.=A0 The default value of zero (=910=92) can represent the value of =93unknown=94 or =93not specified=94.=A0 So the enum could be=

=A0<= /u>

typedef enum {=

=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 NotSpecifed =3D 0,

=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TextOnly,

=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TextAndGraphics,

=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 GraphicsOnly,

=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Photo

} ContentTypeE= num

=A0<= /u>



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Looks like the IANA registration for number-up-suppor= ted is messed up. It currently just says:

Job Templatenumber-up-supportedinteger(1:MAX)[RFC2911]but it should be:

=
Job Templatenumber-up-supported1setOf (integer(1:MAX) | rangeOfIn= teger(1:MAX))[RFC2911]

_______________________________________= ___________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, = PWG Chair


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Yes - it looks like a bug to me too.

We should look = through RFC 2911 to see if there are other
complex "xxx-supported&q= uot; capabilities attributes that didn't
get originally registered c= orrectly in IANA IPP Registry.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software= Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE= -ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Desig= nated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic<= /a>
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorth= inc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 S= aline, MI=A0 48176
=A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 2= 21=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839
=A0 906-494-2434



On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@app= le.com> wrote:
All (particularly Ira... :),

Looks like the IANA registration for number-up-supported is messed= up. It currently just says:

Job Template number-up-supported integer(1:MAX) [RFC2911]<= /td>
but it should be:

Job Template number-up-supported 1setOf (integer(1:MAX) | rangeOfInteger(1:MAX)) [RFC2911]<= /td>

__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG Chair


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On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Yes - it looks like a bug to me too. > > We should look through RFC 2911 to see if there are other > complex "xxx-supported" capabilities attributes that didn't > get originally registered correctly in IANA IPP Registry. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 > > > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > All (particularly Ira... :), > > Looks like the IANA registration for number-up-supported is messed up. It currently just says: > > Job Template number-up-supported integer(1:MAX) [RFC2911] > but it should be: > > Job Template number-up-supported 1setOf (integer(1:MAX) | rangeOfInteger(1:MAX)) [RFC2911] > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_CKNV56S3okIHTI3ieY/oyQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ira,

I've been doing that as I go through the new-and-improved IPP conformance tests; this is the only one I saw for the required IPP/1.1, 2.0, 2.1, or 2.2 printer attributes.

On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:

Hi Mike,

Yes - it looks like a bug to me too.

We should look through RFC 2911 to see if there are other
complex "xxx-supported" capabilities attributes that didn't
get originally registered correctly in IANA IPP Registry.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
  734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
  906-494-2434



On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
All (particularly Ira... :),

Looks like the IANA registration for number-up-supported is messed up. It currently just says:

Job Template number-up-supported integer(1:MAX) [RFC2911]
but it should be:

Job Template number-up-supported 1setOf (integer(1:MAX) | rangeOfInteger(1:MAX)) [RFC2911]

__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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I'd like to add to the IPP slide deck discussion of the= MFD Alerts
for Printer MIB spec which has just had=A0its second review= at
Prototype status:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/p= wg/pmp/wd/wd-pmpmfdalerts10-20110902.pdf / doc
- clean copy with line numbers and live table of contents

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-pmpmfdalerts= 10-20110902-rev.pdf / doc
- redlines copy with line numbers and live= table of contents


Since this document defines new values for existing IPP attributes =
(printer-state-reasons and printer-alert), Bill Wagner has asked for both IPP WG review and IPP prototyping.

Will CUPS pickup the IANA = IPP Registry keywords for scanner, fax
modem, and security alerts in IPP printer-state-reasons attribute?

T= he security alerts correlate with System Log spec in IDS of course.

= Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP W= G
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Expert - = IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.googl= e.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176
= =A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI= 49839
=A0 906-494-2434


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Searching the IANA registry seems the best way to look for other quirks - I think we avoided strange complex datatypes for other xxx-supported in the later IETF/PWG IPP specs. Note that PWG SM XML schema discarded this strange type for Capabilities.NumberUp (it's just a set of discrete integers, no ranges allowed). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Christmas through April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May to Christmas: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Ira, > > I've been doing that as I go through the new-and-improved IPP conformance > tests; this is the only one I saw for the required IPP/1.1, 2.0, 2.1, or 2.2 > printer attributes. > > On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Yes - it looks like a bug to me too. > > We should look through RFC 2911 to see if there are other > complex "xxx-supported" capabilities attributes that didn't > get originally registered correctly in IANA IPP Registry. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 > > > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > >> All (particularly Ira... :), >> >> Looks like the IANA registration for number-up-supported is messed up. It >> currently just says: >> >> Job Template number-up-supported integer(1:MAX) [RFC2911 >> ]but it should be: >> >> Job Template number-up-supported 1setOf (integer(1:MAX) | >> rangeOfInteger(1:MAX)) [RFC2911 ] >> __________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >> >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --001517475a3a16dd0504ad01143a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike,

Right - I checked RFC 2911 and there aren't any other I= PP/1.1
xxx-supported attributes with strange complex datatypes - just <= br>the usual keyword or name stuff.

Searching the IANA registry seem= s the best way to look for other
quirks - I think we avoided strange complex datatypes for other
xxx-supp= orted in the later IETF/PWG IPP specs.

Note that PWG SM XML schema d= iscarded this strange type
for Capabilities.NumberUp (it's just a se= t of discrete integers,
no ranges allowed).

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musici= an / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co= -Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG<= br> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High Nort= h Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 S= aline, MI=A0 48176
=A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 2= 21=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839
=A0 906-494-2434



On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@app= le.com> wrote:
Ira,

I've been d= oing that as I go through the new-and-improved IPP conformance tests; this = is the only one I saw for the required IPP/1.1, 2.0, 2.1, or 2.2 printer at= tributes.

On Sep= 14, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:

Hi Mike,

Yes - it looks like a bug to me too.

We should lo= ok through RFC 2911 to see if there are other
complex "xxx-supported" capabilities attributes that didn'tget originally registered correctly in IANA IPP Registry.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software= Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE= -ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Desig= nated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic<= /a>
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorth= inc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 S= aline, MI=A0 48176
=A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839
=A0 9= 06-494-2434



On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
All (particularly Ira... :),

Looks like the IANA registration for number-up-supported is messed= up. It currently just says:

Job Template number-up-supported integer(1:MAX) [RFC2911]<= /td>
but it should be:

Job Template number-up-supported 1setOf (integer(1:MAX) | rangeOfInteger(1:MAX)) [RFC2911]<= /td>

__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG Chair


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Yeah, not much to gain from using rangeOfInteger with number-up... I have a related issue I want to bring up, but in a separate email thread... > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 > > > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Ira, > > I've been doing that as I go through the new-and-improved IPP conformance tests; this is the only one I saw for the required IPP/1.1, 2.0, 2.1, or 2.2 printer attributes. > > On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > >> Hi Mike, >> >> Yes - it looks like a bug to me too. >> >> We should look through RFC 2911 to see if there are other >> complex "xxx-supported" capabilities attributes that didn't >> get originally registered correctly in IANA IPP Registry. >> >> Cheers, >> - Ira >> >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG >> Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> Christmas through April: >> 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 >> 734-944-0094 >> May to Christmas: >> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 >> 906-494-2434 >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >> All (particularly Ira... :), >> >> Looks like the IANA registration for number-up-supported is messed up. It currently just says: >> >> Job Template number-up-supported integer(1:MAX) [RFC2911] >> but it should be: >> >> Job Template number-up-supported 1setOf (integer(1:MAX) | rangeOfInteger(1:MAX)) [RFC2911] >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_xBIYeH6N3KcvLRr7CjlEAg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
On Sep 15, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:
Hi Mike,

Right - I checked RFC 2911 and there aren't any other IPP/1.1
xxx-supported attributes with strange complex datatypes - just
the usual keyword or name stuff.

Searching the IANA registry seems the best way to look for other
quirks - I think we avoided strange complex datatypes for other
xxx-supported in the later IETF/PWG IPP specs.

Note that PWG SM XML schema discarded this strange type
for Capabilities.NumberUp (it's just a set of discrete integers,
no ranges allowed).

Yeah, not much to gain from using rangeOfInteger with number-up...

I have a related issue I want to bring up, but in a separate email thread...


Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
  734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
  906-494-2434



On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
Ira,

I've been doing that as I go through the new-and-improved IPP conformance tests; this is the only one I saw for the required IPP/1.1, 2.0, 2.1, or 2.2 printer attributes.

On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:

Hi Mike,

Yes - it looks like a bug to me too.

We should look through RFC 2911 to see if there are other
complex "xxx-supported" capabilities attributes that didn't
get originally registered correctly in IANA IPP Registry.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
  734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
  906-494-2434



On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
All (particularly Ira... :),

Looks like the IANA registration for number-up-supported is messed up. It currently just says:

Job Template number-up-supported integer(1:MAX) [RFC2911]
but it should be:

Job Template number-up-supported 1setOf (integer(1:MAX) | rangeOfInteger(1:MAX)) [RFC2911]

__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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What I've been telling people is basically the following, but I'd like to document this somewhere, perhaps as an errata for one of the IPP RFCs (probably RFC 2911 and 3380) along with some updates to the IPP registry for the affected attributes. Comments? The "no-value" Attribute Value Tag This value may be set or returned for any settable Job, Subscription, or Printer attribute. The typical usage is to specify an xxx-default Job Template attribute that has no default value, such as "orientation-requested-default" - in that case the Printer may apply a default based on the document such as automatically applying "orientation-requested" with a value of 4 (landscape) for a landscape document. The "no-value" value may also be returned for read-only description attributes that are a mandatory part of an object. For example, the Job object's "time-at-completion" attribute can be returned as "no-value" when the Job has not yet entered a terminating state. The "unknown" Attribute Value Tag This value may only be set or returned for specific Printer attributes. Currently only the proposed "printer-geo-location" attribute has been defined to potentially have an "unknown" value. __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_nZ/iGzoAnng3VkayzrhRsg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable All,

I'= ve received a few queries about how the "unknown" and "no-value" attribute = value tags are used in IPP recently.  What I've been telling people is= basically the following, but I'd like to document this somewhere, perhaps = as an errata for one of the IPP RFCs (probably RFC 2911 and 3380) along wit= h some updates to the IPP registry for the affected attributes.
<= br>
Comments?


The "no-val= ue" Attribute Value Tag

This value may be set or r= eturned for any settable Job, Subscription, or Printer attribute. The typic= al usage is to specify an xxx-default Job Template attribute that has no de= fault value, such as "orientation-requested-default" - in that case the Pri= nter may apply a default based on the document such as automatically applyi= ng "orientation-requested" with a value of 4 (landscape) for a landscape do= cument.

The "no-value" value may also be returned = for read-only description attributes that are a mandatory part of an object= .  For example, the Job object's "time-at-completion" attribute can be= returned as "no-value" when the Job has not yet entered a terminating stat= e.


The "unknown" Attribute Value Ta= g

This value may only be set or returned for = specific Printer attributes. Currently only the proposed "printer-geo-locat= ion" attribute has been defined to potentially have an "unknown" value.


_______________________________________= ___________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, = PWG Chair


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Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Christmas through April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May to Christmas: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > All, > > I've received a few queries about how the "unknown" and "no-value" > attribute value tags are used in IPP recently. What I've been telling > people is basically the following, but I'd like to document this somewhere, > perhaps as an errata for one of the IPP RFCs (probably RFC 2911 and 3380) > along with some updates to the IPP registry for the affected attributes. > > Comments? > > > The "no-value" Attribute Value Tag > > This value may be set or returned for any settable Job, Subscription, or > Printer attribute. The typical usage is to specify an xxx-default Job > Template attribute that has no default value, such as > "orientation-requested-default" - in that case the Printer may apply a > default based on the document such as automatically applying > "orientation-requested" with a value of 4 (landscape) for a landscape > document. > > The "no-value" value may also be returned for read-only description > attributes that are a mandatory part of an object. For example, the Job > object's "time-at-completion" attribute can be returned as "no-value" when > the Job has not yet entered a terminating state. > > > The "unknown" Attribute Value Tag > > This value may only be set or returned for specific Printer attributes. > Currently only the proposed "printer-geo-location" attribute has been > defined to potentially have an "unknown" value. > > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --00221597490263430204ad0211ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike,

I like all of it, except that in printer-geo-location we sh= ould
get rid of that MIB-centric "unknown" and instead use the=
semantically equivalent "no-value".

Cheers,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - L= inux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chai= r - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &= Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic<= /a>
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorth= inc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 S= aline, MI=A0 48176
=A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 2= 21=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839
=A0 906-494-2434



On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@app= le.com> wrote:
All,

I've receiv= ed a few queries about how the "unknown" and "no-value"= attribute value tags are used in IPP recently. =A0What I've been telli= ng people is basically the following, but I'd like to document this som= ewhere, perhaps as an errata for one of the IPP RFCs (probably RFC 2911 and= 3380) along with some updates to the IPP registry for the affected attribu= tes.

Comments?


The &= quot;no-value" Attribute Value Tag

This value= may be set or returned for any settable Job, Subscription, or Printer attr= ibute. The typical usage is to specify an xxx-default Job Template attribut= e that has no default value, such as "orientation-requested-default&qu= ot; - in that case the Printer may apply a default based on the document su= ch as automatically applying "orientation-requested" with a value= of 4 (landscape) for a landscape document.

The "no-value" value may also be returned for= read-only description attributes that are a mandatory part of an object. = =A0For example, the Job object's "time-at-completion" attribu= te can be returned as "no-value" when the Job has not yet entered= a terminating state.


The "unknown" Attribute Value = Tag

This value may only=A0be set or returned for s= pecific Printer attributes. Currently only the proposed "printer-geo-l= ocation" attribute has been defined to potentially have an "unkno= wn" value.


__________________________________________________
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Clearly every printer has a geographic location (and thus a value exists), however the value of that location may not be known because nobody has entered one and/or the printer has no way to get its location automatically. While we certainly could use "no-value" for printer-geo-location and treat it as "no value set", I like using a more specific tag if one exists. That said, I wonder - how does the Semantic Model map "unknown" to the XML schema? (or does it?) If there isn't a mapping of unknown then I would suggest we formally deprecate the "unknown" value tag and use "no-value" for printer-geo-location as you suggest - it hasn't been used widely (or at all as far as I can see) and I don't want to depend on something that can't be mapped to another protocol binding. On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi Mike, > > I like all of it, except that in printer-geo-location we should > get rid of that MIB-centric "unknown" and instead use the > semantically equivalent "no-value". > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > All, > > I've received a few queries about how the "unknown" and "no-value" attribute value tags are used in IPP recently. What I've been telling people is basically the following, but I'd like to document this somewhere, perhaps as an errata for one of the IPP RFCs (probably RFC 2911 and 3380) along with some updates to the IPP registry for the affected attributes. > > Comments? > > > The "no-value" Attribute Value Tag > > This value may be set or returned for any settable Job, Subscription, or Printer attribute. The typical usage is to specify an xxx-default Job Template attribute that has no default value, such as "orientation-requested-default" - in that case the Printer may apply a default based on the document such as automatically applying "orientation-requested" with a value of 4 (landscape) for a landscape document. > > The "no-value" value may also be returned for read-only description attributes that are a mandatory part of an object. For example, the Job object's "time-at-completion" attribute can be returned as "no-value" when the Job has not yet entered a terminating state. > > > The "unknown" Attribute Value Tag > > This value may only be set or returned for specific Printer attributes. Currently only the proposed "printer-geo-location" attribute has been defined to potentially have an "unknown" value. > > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_rKK5ez5Ge8z0E8v/A+ciFA) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ira,

Se= mantically-speaking "unknown" and "no-value" do mean different things:

    unknown: There is a value but we don't k= now what it is.
    no-value: We know there is no value= .

Clearly every printer has a geographic location = (and thus a value exists), however the value of that location may not be kn= own because nobody has entered one and/or the printer has no way to get its= location automatically.  While we certainly could use "no-value" for = printer-geo-location and treat it as "no value set", I like using a more sp= ecific tag if one exists.

That said, I wonder - ho= w does the Semantic Model map "unknown" to the XML schema?
(or do= es it?)  If there isn't a mapping of unknown then I would suggest we f= ormally deprecate the "unknown" value tag and use "no-value" for printer-ge= o-location as you suggest - it hasn't been used widely (or at all as far as= I can see) and I don't want to depend on something that can't be mapped to= another protocol binding.


On Sep 1= 5, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:
Hi Mike,

I like all of it, except that in printer-geo-locatio= n we should
get rid of that MIB-centric "unknown" and instead use thesemantically equivalent "no-value".

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - L= inux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chai= r - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &= Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic<= /a>
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorth= inc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
  579 Park Place&n= bsp; Saline, MI  48176
  734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=   PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
  906-494-2434



On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@app= le.com> wrote:
All,

I've received a= few queries about how the "unknown" and "no-value" attribute value tags ar= e used in IPP recently.  What I've been telling people is basically th= e following, but I'd like to document this somewhere, perhaps as an errata = for one of the IPP RFCs (probably RFC 2911 and 3380) along with some update= s to the IPP registry for the affected attributes.

Comments?


The "= no-value" Attribute Value Tag

This value may be se= t or returned for any settable Job, Subscription, or Printer attribute. The= typical usage is to specify an xxx-default Job Template attribute that has= no default value, such as "orientation-requested-default" - in that case t= he Printer may apply a default based on the document such as automatically = applying "orientation-requested" with a value of 4 (landscape) for a landsc= ape document.

The "no-value" value may also be returned for read-only= description attributes that are a mandatory part of an object.  For e= xample, the Job object's "time-at-completion" attribute can be returned as = "no-value" when the Job has not yet entered a terminating state.


The "unknown" Attribute Value Tag
<= div>
This value may only be set or returned for specific= Printer attributes. Currently only the proposed "printer-geo-location" att= ribute has been defined to potentially have an "unknown" value.


__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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In PWG SM, SystemGeoLocation is of datatype "xs:anyURI" with a reference to RFC 5870 ('geo' URI Scheme). "unknown" is an obviously illegal value, while the empty string can be and is construed as "unknown" in MFD Model [PWG5108.01]. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Christmas through April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May to Christmas: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Ira, > > Semantically-speaking "unknown" and "no-value" do mean different things: > > unknown: There is a value but we don't know what it is. > no-value: We know there is no value. > > Clearly every printer has a geographic location (and thus a value exists), > however the value of that location may not be known because nobody has > entered one and/or the printer has no way to get its location automatically. > While we certainly could use "no-value" for printer-geo-location and treat > it as "no value set", I like using a more specific tag if one exists. > > That said, I wonder - how does the Semantic Model map "unknown" to the XML > schema? > (or does it?) If there isn't a mapping of unknown then I would suggest we > formally deprecate the "unknown" value tag and use "no-value" for > printer-geo-location as you suggest - it hasn't been used widely (or at all > as far as I can see) and I don't want to depend on something that can't be > mapped to another protocol binding. > > > On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > I like all of it, except that in printer-geo-location we should > get rid of that MIB-centric "unknown" and instead use the > semantically equivalent "no-value". > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > >> All, >> >> I've received a few queries about how the "unknown" and "no-value" >> attribute value tags are used in IPP recently. What I've been telling >> people is basically the following, but I'd like to document this somewhere, >> perhaps as an errata for one of the IPP RFCs (probably RFC 2911 and 3380) >> along with some updates to the IPP registry for the affected attributes. >> >> Comments? >> >> >> The "no-value" Attribute Value Tag >> >> This value may be set or returned for any settable Job, Subscription, or >> Printer attribute. The typical usage is to specify an xxx-default Job >> Template attribute that has no default value, such as >> "orientation-requested-default" - in that case the Printer may apply a >> default based on the document such as automatically applying >> "orientation-requested" with a value of 4 (landscape) for a landscape >> document. >> >> The "no-value" value may also be returned for read-only description >> attributes that are a mandatory part of an object. For example, the Job >> object's "time-at-completion" attribute can be returned as "no-value" when >> the Job has not yet entered a terminating state. >> >> >> The "unknown" Attribute Value Tag >> >> This value may only be set or returned for specific Printer attributes. >> Currently only the proposed "printer-geo-location" attribute has been >> defined to potentially have an "unknown" value. >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >> >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --002215727532c2bd0c04ad029e06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike,

"unknown" is used 39 places in PwgWellKnownValues= .xsd
in three spellings - unknown, Unknown, and UNKNOWN
- oof! - need= s work here...

In PWG SM, SystemGeoLocation is of datatype "xs:= anyURI"
with a reference to RFC 5870 ('geo' URI Scheme).=A0 "unknown&q= uot;
is an obviously illegal value, while the empty string can be andis construed as "unknown" in MFD Model [PWG5108.01].

Che= ers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)=
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG I= PP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Exper= t - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic<= /a>
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorth= inc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 S= aline, MI=A0 48176
=A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 2= 21=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839
=A0 906-494-2434



On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@app= le.com> wrote:
Ira,

Semantically-sp= eaking "unknown" and "no-value" do mean different thing= s:

=A0 =A0 unknown: There is a value but we don= 9;t know what it is.
=A0 =A0 no-value: We know there is no value.

= Clearly every printer has a geographic location (and thus a value exists), = however the value of that location may not be known because nobody has ente= red one and/or the printer has no way to get its location automatically. = =A0While we certainly could use "no-value" for printer-geo-locati= on and treat it as "no value set", I like using a more specific t= ag if one exists.

That said, I wonder - how does the Semantic Model map &= quot;unknown" to the XML schema?
(or does it?) =A0If there i= sn't a mapping of unknown then I would suggest we formally deprecate th= e "unknown" value tag and use "no-value" for printer-ge= o-location as you suggest - it hasn't been used widely (or at all as fa= r as I can see) and I don't want to depend on something that can't = be mapped to another protocol binding.


On Sep= 15, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:
Hi Mike,

I like all of it, except that in printer-geo-loca= tion we should
get rid of that MIB-centric "unknown" and instead use the
sema= ntically equivalent "no-value".

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - L= inux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chai= r - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP &= Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic<= /a>
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorth= inc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 S= aline, MI=A0 48176
=A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839
=A0 9= 06-494-2434



On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
All,

I've receiv= ed a few queries about how the "unknown" and "no-value"= attribute value tags are used in IPP recently. =A0What I've been telli= ng people is basically the following, but I'd like to document this som= ewhere, perhaps as an errata for one of the IPP RFCs (probably RFC 2911 and= 3380) along with some updates to the IPP registry for the affected attribu= tes.

Comments?


The &= quot;no-value" Attribute Value Tag

This value= may be set or returned for any settable Job, Subscription, or Printer attr= ibute. The typical usage is to specify an xxx-default Job Template attribut= e that has no default value, such as "orientation-requested-default&qu= ot; - in that case the Printer may apply a default based on the document su= ch as automatically applying "orientation-requested" with a value= of 4 (landscape) for a landscape document.

The "no-value" value may also be returned for= read-only description attributes that are a mandatory part of an object. = =A0For example, the Job object's "time-at-completion" attribu= te can be returned as "no-value" when the Job has not yet entered= a terminating state.


The "unknown" Attribute Value = Tag

This value may only=A0be set or returned for s= pecific Printer attributes. Currently only the proposed "printer-geo-l= ocation" attribute has been defined to potentially have an "unkno= wn" value.


__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG Chair


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CUPS already supports arbitrary keywords from drivers, so a fax driver definitely could set them today. Scanning is not currently supported via CUPS, so that will have to wait for a future implementation. As for the security keywords, I will need to review them closely; it isn't clear that mapping them all to printer-state-reasons makes sense since they represent events (alerts) and not persistent conditions. Moreover, I think all of the keywords need at least a sentence to describe what they mean (it is not obvious to me, particularly for the security keywords) __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_uqzCsT7WWxII6uUAZveOUw) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Ira McDonald wrote:
Hi Mike,

I'd like to add to the IPP slide deck discussion of the MFD Alerts
for Printer MIB spec which has just had its second review at
Prototype status:

Will do.

...
Will CUPS pickup the IANA IPP Registry keywords for scanner, fax
modem, and security alerts in IPP printer-state-reasons attribute?

CUPS already supports arbitrary keywords from drivers, so a fax driver definitely could set them today.

Scanning is not currently supported via CUPS, so that will have to wait for a future implementation.

As for the security keywords, I will need to review them closely; it isn't clear that mapping them all to printer-state-reasons makes sense since they represent events (alerts) and not persistent conditions.

Moreover, I think all of the keywords need at least a sentence to describe what they mean (it is not obvious to me, particularly for the security keywords)

__________________________________________________
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But I note that this has never been done before in either IPP PSX or Printer MIB itself (arguably a Printer MIB deficiency). Note that, by IPP PSX precedent, ALL IANA Printer MIB alert codes are available in the REQUIRED "printer-state-reasons" attribute (by direct transform from the IANA Printer MIB registry). This supports wider interoperability with IPP implementations that don't implement the "printer-alert" attribute (keyword/value pairs). That is, it's an implementation choice to show specific alert conditions in "printer-state-reasons" - which already has a *complete* set defined for the Printer MIB and Finisher MIB subunits). Security Alerts: I'm happy to explain these - due to copyright, we can't actually use the IEEE 2600 definitions - though we can mention IEEE 2600 as an informative reference - normative references to non-public specs are not allowed by PWG process and precedent. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Christmas through April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May to Christmas: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > I'd like to add to the IPP slide deck discussion of the MFD Alerts > for Printer MIB spec which has just had its second review at > Prototype status: > > > Will do. > > ... > > Will CUPS pickup the IANA IPP Registry keywords for scanner, fax > modem, and security alerts in IPP printer-state-reasons attribute? > > > CUPS already supports arbitrary keywords from drivers, so a fax driver > definitely could set them today. > > Scanning is not currently supported via CUPS, so that will have to wait for > a future implementation. > > As for the security keywords, I will need to review them closely; it isn't > clear that mapping them all to printer-state-reasons makes sense since they > represent events (alerts) and not persistent conditions. > > Moreover, I think all of the keywords need at least a sentence to describe > what they mean (it is not obvious to me, particularly for the security > keywords) > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --00151747ba1ed2eca104ad11c083 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike,

Sure I can add a brief description for each new alert code.=

But I note that this has never been done before in either IPP PSX <= br>or Printer MIB itself (arguably a Printer MIB deficiency).

Note t= hat, by IPP PSX precedent, ALL IANA Printer MIB alert codes
are available in the REQUIRED "printer-state-reasons" attribute (= by
direct transform from the IANA Printer MIB registry).

This sup= ports wider interoperability with IPP implementations that don't
implement the "printer-alert" attribute (keyword/value pairs).
That is, it's an implementation choice to show specific alert cond= itions
in "printer-state-reasons" - which already has a *compl= ete* set defined
for the Printer MIB and Finisher MIB subunits).

Security Alerts:
=
I'm happy to explain these - due to copyright, we can't actuall= y use
the IEEE 2600 definitions - though we can mention IEEE 2600 as an<= br> informative reference - normative references to non-public specs are
not= allowed by PWG process and precedent.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux = Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SW= G
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High= North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176
= =A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI= 49839
=A0 906-494-2434



On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Michae= l Sweet <msweet@ap= ple.com> wrote:
On Sep 15, = 2011, at 11:05 AM, Ira McDonald wrote:
Hi Mi= ke,

I'd like to add to the IPP slide deck discussion of the MFD = Alerts
for Printer MIB spec which has just had=A0its second review at
Prototyp= e status:

Will do.

...

Will CUPS pickup t= he IANA IPP Registry keywords for scanner, fax
modem, and security alerts in IPP printer-state-reasons attribute?

CUPS already supports arbitrary keywords= from drivers, so a fax driver definitely could set them today.

Scanning is not currently supported via CUPS, so that will have = to wait for a future implementation.

As for the security= keywords, I will need to review them closely; it isn't clear that mapp= ing them all to printer-state-reasons makes sense since they represent even= ts (alerts) and not persistent conditions.

Moreover, I think all of the keywords need at least a s= entence to describe what they mean (it is not obvious to me, particularly f= or the security keywords)

__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG Chair



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It was so the values matched the associated extern= al definitions (i.e., charset, MIME type, OS name). Here are the affected = WKVs: lowercase: CharsetWKV(unknown-8bit), DocumentFormatWKV Uppercase: OperatingSystemNameWKV Fixed to titlecase: ConnectionFailReasonWKV, PowerRequestStatusWKV I have no issue with the way the SM handles SystemGeoLocation. An empty Sy= stemGeoLocation maps to no-value. I agree that every printer has geographi= c location. I do not agree it has a GeoLocation until a geolocation compon= ent has instrumented the data or it has been administratively set. (probabl= y set with data from a geolocation component) If the printer has a geoloca= tion component and was unable to triangulate its position, i'd say the Syst= emGeoLocation was unknown. I would prefer to interpret an empty SystemGeoLocation as no-value. I woul= d prefer to use the IPP 'no-value' tag with printer-geo-location regardless= of the reason. I could live with using the IPP 'unknown' tag for instrume= ntation failure.=20 Pete=20=20 -----Original Message----- From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org on behalf of Ira McDonald Sent: Thu 9/15/2011 3:44 PM To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Use of unknown and no-value attribute value tags =20 Hi Mike, "unknown" is used 39 places in PwgWellKnownValues.xsd in three spellings - unknown, Unknown, and UNKNOWN - oof! - needs work here... In PWG SM, SystemGeoLocation is of datatype "xs:anyURI" with a reference to RFC 5870 ('geo' URI Scheme). "unknown" is an obviously illegal value, while the empty string can be and is construed as "unknown" in MFD Model [PWG5108.01]. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Christmas through April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May to Christmas: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Ira, > > Semantically-speaking "unknown" and "no-value" do mean different things: > > unknown: There is a value but we don't know what it is. > no-value: We know there is no value. > > Clearly every printer has a geographic location (and thus a value exists), > however the value of that location may not be known because nobody has > entered one and/or the printer has no way to get its location automatical= ly. > While we certainly could use "no-value" for printer-geo-location and tre= at > it as "no value set", I like using a more specific tag if one exists. > > That said, I wonder - how does the Semantic Model map "unknown" to the XML > schema? > (or does it?) If there isn't a mapping of unknown then I would suggest we > formally deprecate the "unknown" value tag and use "no-value" for > printer-geo-location as you suggest - it hasn't been used widely (or at a= ll > as far as I can see) and I don't want to depend on something that can't be > mapped to another protocol binding. > > > On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > I like all of it, except that in printer-geo-location we should > get rid of that MIB-centric "unknown" and instead use the > semantically equivalent "no-value". > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > >> All, >> >> I've received a few queries about how the "unknown" and "no-value" >> attribute value tags are used in IPP recently. What I've been telling >> people is basically the following, but I'd like to document this somewhe= re, >> perhaps as an errata for one of the IPP RFCs (probably RFC 2911 and 3380) >> along with some updates to the IPP registry for the affected attributes. >> >> Comments? >> >> >> The "no-value" Attribute Value Tag >> >> This value may be set or returned for any settable Job, Subscription, or >> Printer attribute. The typical usage is to specify an xxx-default Job >> Template attribute that has no default value, such as >> "orientation-requested-default" - in that case the Printer may apply a >> default based on the document such as automatically applying >> "orientation-requested" with a value of 4 (landscape) for a landscape >> document. >> >> The "no-value" value may also be returned for read-only description >> attributes that are a mandatory part of an object. For example, the Job >> object's "time-at-completion" attribute can be returned as "no-value" wh= en >> the Job has not yet entered a terminating state. >> >> >> The "unknown" Attribute Value Tag >> >> This value may only be set or returned for specific Printer attributes. >> Currently only the proposed "printer-geo-location" attribute has been >> defined to potentially have an "unknown" value. >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >> >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sat Sep 17 10:10:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954A521F8801 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:10:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.653 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.653 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.055, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xEzUXv1mj1mP for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A76021F87FA for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C1A79535; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:12:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f46.google.com (mail-fx0-f46.google.com [209.85.161.46]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB317952E for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so3464284fxe.5 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:12:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=s6URyexhviRHB8rm4B5kz0PhDx9ipqYu6sJkii7Lgm4=; b=K6x0rmmxHMBO4QkicIBlUbEbVm98p4e+EBnYZ3IZyFfWeoxpQEQki1ViZUTdW2CUx8 WbFqqDSGprh0cB0hVFIXPoBPoEUvIKxxrUiK/ZioWydYedWuNkOjN3xIKk5kDfNsuHW3 zK67lqWDrDOOxODnx6QexKHMhlQDBX7Xuqx8s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.65.141 with SMTP id j13mr1503318fai.101.1316279544701; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.122.66 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:12:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: ipp@pwg.org, Michael R Sweet , Paul Danbold , Ira McDonald X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] IPP Agenda - 1-3pm EDT Monday 19 September 2011 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0840543517==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 50C1A79535.A9F43 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0840543517== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174a0640afe1ae04ad26362e --0015174a0640afe1ae04ad26362e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Our next IPP WG call will be next Monday for TWO HOURS! Monday 19 September 10am-12pm US PDT / 1-3pm US EDT Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request. Live Meeting Info (courtesy of Pete Zehler): Link: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join?id=PwgSemanticModel&role=attend&pw=LetMeIn URL: https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join Meeting ID: PwgSemanticModel Entry Code: LetMeIn *** Main Objective - Review IPPS URI Scheme *** Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker - Mike? (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meeting - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20110829.pdf (3) Status of IANA IPP Registry corrections - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/IANA-IPP-registrations/IANA-484235-more-registry-fixes-20110826.pdf - new updates sent to IANA on Friday 26 August - completed by IANA on Wednesday 7 September - Mike just found another bug in registry for number-up-supported (4) Status of IPP Interoperability Event - to start at October F2F - http://www.cups.org/software.php (CUPS 'ipptool' download) - status of Apple legal comment on alternate license for 'ipptool' - status of IPP/2.1 and IPP/2.2 scripts - reconfirm beta testers - Danny B, Jerry T, Ira M, others? (5) Status of LDAP Printer Schema v2 - update to RFC 3712 - ftp://ftp.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3712.txt - Ira to create first draft - Pat Fleming (IBM) will be co-editor and assign IBM OIDs for attributes - Which directory attributes should we add from IPP JPS3, e.g., printer-uuid, printer-geo-location, ipp-extensions-supported? - Also update SLP Printer Schema in appendix (and register w/ IANA) - Should we update keywords in existing directory attributes, e.g., printer-finishings-supported? (6) Review of IPP over HTTPS Transport Binding and 'ipps' URI Scheme - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-03-20110826.pdf - plaintext IETF I-D converted to PDF w/ line numbers - all comments from IETF URI Review mailing list have been addressed - ready to send to IETF Apps ADs as an Independent Submission (7) Next Steps - Joint Cloud/IPP meeting on Monday 26 September - review F2F slides - IPP session at PWG F2F on Tuesday 4 October Cheers, - Ira (IPP WG Co-Chair) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Christmas through April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May to Christmas: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015174a0640afe1ae04ad26362e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

Our next IPP WG call will be next Monday for TWO HOURS!

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*** Main Objective - Review IPPS URI Scheme ***

Agenda:

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
=A0 =A0=A0 - Mike?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meeting
=A0=A0 =A0 - = ftp://ftp.pwg.= org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20110829.pdf

(3) Status of IANA IPP Registry corrections
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp= /IANA-IPP-registrations/IANA-484235-more-registry-fixes-20110826.pdf =A0=A0=A0=A0 - new updates sent to IANA on Friday 26 August
=A0=A0=A0=A0= - completed by IANA on Wednesday 7 September
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Mike just f= ound another bug in registry for number-up-supported

(4) Status of IPP Interoperability Event - to start at October F2F
= =A0=A0=A0=A0 - http://www.cups= .org/software.php (CUPS 'ipptool' download)
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - s= tatus of Apple legal comment on alternate license for 'ipptool'
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - status of IPP/2.1 and IPP/2.2 scripts
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - reco= nfirm beta testers - Danny B, Jerry T, Ira M, others?

(5) Status of LDAP Printer Schema v2 - update to RFC 3712
=A0=A0=A0= =A0 - ftp://ftp.ietf.org/rfc= /rfc3712.txt
=A0 =A0=A0 - Ira to create first draft
=A0=A0=A0=A0= - Pat Fleming (IBM) will be co-editor and assign IBM OIDs for attributes =A0=A0=A0=A0 - Which directory attributes should we add from IPP JPS3,
= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 e.g., printer-uuid, printer-geo-location, ipp-extensions= -supported?
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Also update SLP Printer Schema in appendix (a= nd register w/ IANA)
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Should we update keywords in existing directory attributes, = e.g.,
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 printer-finishings-supported?

(6) Review of IPP over HTTPS Transport Binding and 'ipps' URI S= cheme
=A0 =A0=A0 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/= pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-03-20110826.pdf
=A0 =A0=A0 - plaintext IETF I-D converted to PDF w/ line numbers
=A0=A0= =A0=A0 - all comments from IETF URI Review mailing list have been addressed=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - ready to send to IETF Apps ADs as an Independent Submiss= ion

(7) Next Steps
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Joint Cloud/IPP meeting on Monday 26 September - review F2F = slides
=A0=A0=A0=A0 - IPP session at PWG F2F on Tuesday 4 October

Cheers,
- Ira (IPP WG Co-Chair)


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In addition, I think we want to document which new keywords are not appropriate for use with printer-state-reasons (even if they have to be registered for that attribute), simply because some are not persistent/present state but instead are really identifiers for sporadic events. We don't want "idiot lights" that need to be reset, and we don't want clients that poll the printer on the off chance they'll see a particular keyword show up in printer-state-reasons because the printer chose not to support printer-alerts. (and FWIW I think we want IPP Everywhere to require printer-alert and printer-alert-description...) On Sep 16, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Sure I can add a brief description for each new alert code. > > But I note that this has never been done before in either IPP PSX > or Printer MIB itself (arguably a Printer MIB deficiency). > > Note that, by IPP PSX precedent, ALL IANA Printer MIB alert codes > are available in the REQUIRED "printer-state-reasons" attribute (by > direct transform from the IANA Printer MIB registry). > > This supports wider interoperability with IPP implementations that don't > implement the "printer-alert" attribute (keyword/value pairs). > > That is, it's an implementation choice to show specific alert conditions > in "printer-state-reasons" - which already has a *complete* set defined > for the Printer MIB and Finisher MIB subunits). > > Security Alerts: > > I'm happy to explain these - due to copyright, we can't actually use > the IEEE 2600 definitions - though we can mention IEEE 2600 as an > informative reference - normative references to non-public specs are > not allowed by PWG process and precedent. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> >> I'd like to add to the IPP slide deck discussion of the MFD Alerts >> for Printer MIB spec which has just had its second review at >> Prototype status: > > Will do. > >> ... >> >> Will CUPS pickup the IANA IPP Registry keywords for scanner, fax >> modem, and security alerts in IPP printer-state-reasons attribute? > > CUPS already supports arbitrary keywords from drivers, so a fax driver definitely could set them today. > > Scanning is not currently supported via CUPS, so that will have to wait for a future implementation. > > As for the security keywords, I will need to review them closely; it isn't clear that mapping them all to printer-state-reasons makes sense since they represent events (alerts) and not persistent conditions. > > Moreover, I think all of the keywords need at least a sentence to describe what they mean (it is not obvious to me, particularly for the security keywords) > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_HEUHuaejgeK0xNvlNmIoRw) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ira,

Gi= ven the inconsistencies I've seen in recent years with even the keywords de= fined in RFC 2911, I really think we need to provide specific descriptions = for each new keyword, otherwise they won't get used (or won't get used prop= erly).

In addition, I think we want to document wh= ich new keywords are not appropriate for use with printer-state-reasons (ev= en if they have to be registered for that attribute), simply because some a= re not persistent/present state but instead are really identifiers for spor= adic events.  We don't want "idiot lights" that need to be reset, and = we don't want clients that poll the printer on the off chance they'll see a= particular keyword show up in printer-state-reasons because the printer ch= ose not to support printer-alerts.

(and FWIW I thi= nk we want IPP Everywhere to require printer-alert and printer-alert-descri= ption...)

On Sep 16, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Ira McDonald= wrote:
Hi Mike,

Sure I can add a bri= ef description for each new alert code.

But I note that this has nev= er been done before in either IPP PSX
or Printer MIB itself (arguably a= Printer MIB deficiency).

Note that, by IPP PSX precedent, ALL IANA = Printer MIB alert codes
are available in the REQUIRED "printer-state-reasons" attribute (by
dire= ct transform from the IANA Printer MIB registry).

This supports wide= r interoperability with IPP implementations that don't
implement the "printer-alert" attribute (keyword/value pairs).

That = is, it's an implementation choice to show specific alert conditions
in "= printer-state-reasons" - which already has a *complete* set defined
for the Printer MIB and Finisher MIB subunits).

Security Alerts:
=
I'm happy to explain these - due to copyright, we can't actually usethe IEEE 2600 definitions - though we can mention IEEE 2600 as an
informative reference - normative references to non-public specs are
not= allowed by PWG process and precedent.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux = Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SW= G
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High= North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48= 176
  734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
  PO Box 221  = Grand Marais, MI 49839
  906-494-2434
=



On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Michae= l Sweet <msweet@ap= ple.com> wrote:
On Sep 15, = 2011, at 11:05 AM, Ira McDonald wrote:
Hi Mi= ke,

I'd like to add to the IPP slide deck discussion of the MFD Aler= ts
for Printer MIB spec which has just had its second review at
Proto= type status:

Will do.

...

Will CUPS picku= p the IANA IPP Registry keywords for scanner, fax
modem, and security alerts in IPP printer-state-reasons attribute?

CUPS already supports arbitrary keywords= from drivers, so a fax driver definitely could set them today.

Scanning is not currently supported via CUPS, so that will have = to wait for a future implementation.

As for the security= keywords, I will need to review them closely; it isn't clear that mapping = them all to printer-state-reasons makes sense since they represent events (= alerts) and not persistent conditions.

Moreover, I think all of the keywords need at least a s= entence to describe what they mean (it is not obvious to me, particularly f= or the security keywords)

__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair



_______________________________________= ___________
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Ira, As for which specification, since the first use is in the PWG Raster Format= spec, I'm thinking we should put it in the PWG Raster Format spec and then= include it in the list of required IPP Everywhere job template attributes.= .. Thoughts? On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote: >=20=20 >=20=20 >> New Attribute >> PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), Photo >> This is combined with =93OutputType=94 to optimize output. >> This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine that is= necessary to have both values. >=20=20 > We don't have this in the semantic model or IPP yet. Where do you propose= I put this? >=20=20 > I am not sure what you mean =93where do you propose I put this=94? >=20=20 > If you mean -- > Within the PWG Raster it can occupy the first; no, better yet the last 4 = bytes of the vender data space and shorten the vendor data space. >=20=20 > If you mean-- > Where will the information come from in a SM or IPP =93job ticket=94; the= n, I agree there is no source. But if an application choices to create a P= WG Raster file and knows the PrintContentType value; then the application c= an fill in the field. The default value of zero (=910=92) can represent th= e value of =93unknown=94 or =93not specified=94. So the enum could be >=20=20 > typedef enum { > NotSpecifed =3D 0, > TextOnly, > TextAndGraphics, > GraphicsOnly, > Photo > } ContentTypeEnum >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_E8aox2y7Zuz2TPz1YgaWhg) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable


Ira,

As for = which specification, since the first use is in the PWG Raster Format spec, = I'm thinking we should put it in the PWG Raster Format spec and then includ= e it in the list of required IPP Everywhere job template attributes...

Thoughts?



=
On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:

 
 
New Attribute<= /font>
PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphic= s, Graphics(vector), Photo
This is combined with =93OutputType=94 to optimize output.
This was big discussion in JTA= PI definition and it was determine that is necessary to have both values.
 
We don't have this in the se= mantic model or IPP yet. Where do you propose I put this?=
 
 
If you mean --
Within the PWG Raster it can occupy= the first; no, better yet the last 4 bytes of the vender data space and sh= orten the vendor data space.
 
If you mean--
Where will the information come from in a SM or = IPP =93job ticket=94; then, I agree there is no source.  But if an app= lication choices to create a PWG Raster file and knows the PrintContentType= value; then the application can fill in the field.  The default value= of zero (=910=92) can represent the value of =93unknown=94 or =93not speci= fied=94.  So the enum could be
 
typedef enum {
       = ;     NotSpecifed =3D 0,
=
      &n= bsp;     TextOnly,
       =      TextAndGraphics,
       = ;     GraphicsOnly,
       =      Photo
} ContentTypeEnum
 


 

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I suggest this is an architectural error - it's NOT just useful for PWG Raster - it's useful for any raster or other opaque document format. It was the broader use case that we were concerned about in the Open Printing Job Ticket API work. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Christmas through April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May to Christmas: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Glen, > > I was more thinking "where to put it in the header", but I've since decid= ed > to put PrintQuality in one of the empty cupsInteger slots and put your > PrintContentType in the OutputType string field. > > > Ira, > > As for which specification, since the first use is in the PWG Raster Form= at > spec, I'm thinking we should put it in the PWG Raster Format spec and then > include it in the list of required IPP Everywhere job template attributes= ... > > Thoughts? > > > > On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote: > > ** ** > ** ** > > **** > New Attribute**** > PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), Photo******** > This is combined with =93OutputType=94 to optimize output.******** > This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine that is > necessary to have both values.**** > **** > > ** ** > We don't have this in the semantic model or IPP yet. Where do you propose= I > put this?**** > ** ** > I am not sure what you mean =93where do you propose I put this=94?**** > ** ** > If you mean --**** > Within the PWG Raster it can occupy the first; no, better yet the last 4 > bytes of the vender data space and shorten the vendor data space.**** > ** ** > If you mean--**** > Where will the information come from in a SM or IPP =93job ticket=94; the= n, I > agree there is no source. But if an application choices to create a PWG > Raster file and knows the PrintContentType value; then the application can > fill in the field. The default value of zero (=910=92) can represent the= value > of =93unknown=94 or =93not specified=94. So the enum could be**** > ** ** > typedef enum {**** > NotSpecifed =3D 0,**** > TextOnly,**** > TextAndGraphics,**** > GraphicsOnly,**** > Photo**** > } ContentTypeEnum**** > ** ** > > > **** > ** ** > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --001517475b3a41466404ad4b832d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike,

About putting "print-content-type" (or whatever n= ame) into
PWG Raster rather than JPS3.

I suggest this is an archi= tectural error - it's NOT just useful
for PWG Raster - it's usef= ul for any raster or other opaque
document format.

It was the broader use case that we were concerned = about
in the Open Printing Job Ticket API work.

Cheers,
- Ira<= br>
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair = - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SW= G
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High= North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176
= =A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI= 49839
=A0 906-494-2434



On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Michae= l Sweet <msweet@ap= ple.com> wrote:
Glen,

I was more thi= nking "where to put it in the header", but I've since decided= to put PrintQuality in one of the empty cupsInteger slots and put your Pri= ntContentType in the OutputType string field.


Ira,

As for whi= ch specification, since the first use is in the PWG Raster Format spec, I&#= 39;m thinking we should put it in the PWG Raster Format spec and then inclu= de it in the list of required IPP Everywhere job template attributes...

Thoughts?



<= div>
On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Pet= rie, Glen wrote:

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= =A0
New Attribute
PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), Photo=
This is combined with =93OutputType=94 to optimize output.=
This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine = that is necessary to have both values.
=A0
We don&= #39;t have this in the semantic model or IPP yet. Where do you propose I pu= t this?
=A0
I am not sure what you mean =93where do= you propose I put this=94?
=A0
If you mean --
Within the PWG Raster it can occupy the= first; no, better yet the last 4 bytes of the vender data space and shorte= n the vendor data space.
=A0
If you mean--
Where will the information come from in a SM or IP= P =93job ticket=94; then, I agree there is no source.=A0 But if an applicat= ion choices to create a PWG Raster file and knows the PrintContentType valu= e; then the application can fill in the field.=A0 The default value of zero= (=910=92) can represent the value of =93unknown=94 or =93not specified=94.= =A0 So the enum could be
=A0
typedef enum {
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TextOnly,=
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I was not a proponent a year ago of security alerts in Printer MIB - I think they're an architectural error and belong in an appropriate IETF Ops & Mgmt Area MIB. I'd rather *delete* the security alerts from this spec (and let Common Log spec talk about them instead). About events and transient states. RFC 2566 and RFC 2911 enshrined *lots* of very short-lived transient states in printer-state-reasons (from the service level) and defined lots or Printer MIB alert values for printer-state-reasons. The specific new alerts for Scanner and Fax Modem are just as self-descriptive (and clear in my opinion) as existing Marker and Input events. I'll write the sentence for each, but it won't (and inherently can't) further qualify when to report them - the answer is: when they occur and the implementation supports reporting them in prtAlertTable. If an implementation does NOT support showing prtAlertTable content in "printer-state-reasons", then it doesn't. Given the terrible report/error/warning prefixes (which are not and *could* not be IANA registered, by very their format) from IPP/1.0 onward, the "pollution" of printer-state-reasons with stuff of minimal value for automated behavior is long-standing. Comments? Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Christmas through April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May to Christmas: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Ira, > > Given the inconsistencies I've seen in recent years with even the keywords > defined in RFC 2911, I really think we need to provide specific descriptions > for each new keyword, otherwise they won't get used (or won't get used > properly). > > In addition, I think we want to document which new keywords are not > appropriate for use with printer-state-reasons (even if they have to be > registered for that attribute), simply because some are not > persistent/present state but instead are really identifiers for sporadic > events. We don't want "idiot lights" that need to be reset, and we don't > want clients that poll the printer on the off chance they'll see a > particular keyword show up in printer-state-reasons because the printer > chose not to support printer-alerts. > > (and FWIW I think we want IPP Everywhere to require printer-alert and > printer-alert-description...) > > On Sep 16, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Sure I can add a brief description for each new alert code. > > But I note that this has never been done before in either IPP PSX > or Printer MIB itself (arguably a Printer MIB deficiency). > > Note that, by IPP PSX precedent, ALL IANA Printer MIB alert codes > are available in the REQUIRED "printer-state-reasons" attribute (by > direct transform from the IANA Printer MIB registry). > > This supports wider interoperability with IPP implementations that don't > implement the "printer-alert" attribute (keyword/value pairs). > > That is, it's an implementation choice to show specific alert conditions > in "printer-state-reasons" - which already has a *complete* set defined > for the Printer MIB and Finisher MIB subunits). > > Security Alerts: > > I'm happy to explain these - due to copyright, we can't actually use > the IEEE 2600 definitions - though we can mention IEEE 2600 as an > informative reference - normative references to non-public specs are > not allowed by PWG process and precedent. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > >> On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: >> >> Hi Mike, >> >> I'd like to add to the IPP slide deck discussion of the MFD Alerts >> for Printer MIB spec which has just had its second review at >> Prototype status: >> >> >> Will do. >> >> ... >> >> Will CUPS pickup the IANA IPP Registry keywords for scanner, fax >> modem, and security alerts in IPP printer-state-reasons attribute? >> >> >> CUPS already supports arbitrary keywords from drivers, so a fax driver >> definitely could set them today. >> >> Scanning is not currently supported via CUPS, so that will have to wait >> for a future implementation. >> >> As for the security keywords, I will need to review them closely; it isn't >> clear that mapping them all to printer-state-reasons makes sense since they >> represent events (alerts) and not persistent conditions. >> >> Moreover, I think all of the keywords need at least a sentence to describe >> what they mean (it is not obvious to me, particularly for the security >> keywords) >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015174795c62daa9a04ad4c27a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike,

Several thoughts.

I was not a proponent a year ago o= f security alerts
in Printer MIB - I think they're an architectural = error
and belong in an appropriate IETF Ops & Mgmt Area
MIB.

I'd rather *delete* the security alerts from this spec
(and let = Common Log spec talk about them instead).

About events and transient= states.=A0 RFC 2566 and
RFC 2911 enshrined *lots* of very short-lived t= ransient
states in printer-state-reasons (from the service level)
and defined lo= ts or Printer MIB alert values for
printer-state-reasons.

The spe= cific new alerts for Scanner and Fax Modem
are just as self-descriptive = (and clear in my opinion)
as existing Marker and Input events.=A0 I'll write the
sentence for = each, but it won't (and inherently can't)
further qualify when t= o report them - the answer is:
when they occur and the implementation su= pports
reporting them in prtAlertTable.

If an implementation does NOT suppo= rt showing
prtAlertTable content in "printer-state-reasons", t= hen
it doesn't.

Given the terrible report/error/warning prefi= xes (which
are not and *could* not be IANA registered, by very their
format) from I= PP/1.0 onward, the "pollution" of
printer-state-reasons with s= tuff of minimal value for
automated behavior is long-standing.

Comments?

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musici= an / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co= -Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG<= br> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High Nort= h Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 S= aline, MI=A0 48176
=A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 2= 21=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839
=A0 906-494-2434



On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@app= le.com> wrote:
Ira,

Given the incon= sistencies I've seen in recent years with even the keywords defined in = RFC 2911, I really think we need to provide specific descriptions for each = new keyword, otherwise they won't get used (or won't get used prope= rly).

In addition, I think we want to document which new keyw= ords are not appropriate for use with printer-state-reasons (even if they h= ave to be registered for that attribute), simply because some are not persi= stent/present state but instead are really identifiers for sporadic events.= =A0We don't want "idiot lights" that need to be reset, and w= e don't want clients that poll the printer on the off chance they'l= l see a particular keyword show up in printer-state-reasons because the pri= nter chose not to support printer-alerts.

(and FWIW I think we want IPP Everywhere to require pri= nter-alert and printer-alert-description...)

On Sep 16, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Ira McDonald wrote= :
Hi Mike,

Sure I can add a brief descriptio= n for each new alert code.

But I note that this has never been done = before in either IPP PSX
or Printer MIB itself (arguably a Printer MIB = deficiency).

Note that, by IPP PSX precedent, ALL IANA Printer MIB alert codes
are available in the REQUIRED "printer-state-reasons" attribute (= by
direct transform from the IANA Printer MIB registry).

This sup= ports wider interoperability with IPP implementations that don't
implement the "printer-alert" attribute (keyword/value pairs).
That is, it's an implementation choice to show specific alert cond= itions
in "printer-state-reasons" - which already has a *compl= ete* set defined
for the Printer MIB and Finisher MIB subunits).

Security Alerts:
=
I'm happy to explain these - due to copyright, we can't actuall= y use
the IEEE 2600 definitions - though we can mention IEEE 2600 as an<= br> informative reference - normative references to non-public specs are
not= allowed by PWG process and precedent.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux = Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SW= G
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High= North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176
= =A0 7= 34-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI = 49839
=A0 906-494-2434



On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Michae= l Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:0= 5 AM, Ira McDonald wrote:
Hi Mike,

I&= #39;d like to add to the IPP slide deck discussion of the MFD Alerts
for Printer MIB spec which has just had=A0its second review at
Prototyp= e status:

Will do.

...

Will CUPS pickup the IANA IPP R= egistry keywords for scanner, fax
modem, and security alerts in IPP printer-state-reasons attribute?

CUPS already supports arbitrary keywords= from drivers, so a fax driver definitely could set them today.

Scanning is not currently supported via CUPS, so that will have = to wait for a future implementation.

As for the security= keywords, I will need to review them closely; it isn't clear that mapp= ing them all to printer-state-reasons makes sense since they represent even= ts (alerts) and not persistent conditions.

Moreover, I think all of the keywords need at least a s= entence to describe what they mean (it is not obvious to me, particularly f= or the security keywords)

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On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi Mike, >=20 > About putting "print-content-type" (or whatever name) into > PWG Raster rather than JPS3. >=20 > I suggest this is an architectural error - it's NOT just useful > for PWG Raster - it's useful for any raster or other opaque > document format. >=20 > It was the broader use case that we were concerned about > in the Open Printing Job Ticket API work. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Glen, >=20 > I was more thinking "where to put it in the header", but I've since decid= ed to put PrintQuality in one of the empty cupsInteger slots and put your P= rintContentType in the OutputType string field. >=20 >=20 > Ira, >=20 > As for which specification, since the first use is in the PWG Raster Form= at spec, I'm thinking we should put it in the PWG Raster Format spec and th= en include it in the list of required IPP Everywhere job template attribute= s... >=20 > Thoughts? >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote: >=20 >>=20=20 >>=20=20 >>> New Attribute >>> PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), Photo >>> This is combined with =93OutputType=94 to optimize output. >>> This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine that i= s necessary to have both values. >>=20=20 >> We don't have this in the semantic model or IPP yet. Where do you propos= e I put this? >>=20=20 >> I am not sure what you mean =93where do you propose I put this=94? >>=20=20 >> If you mean -- >> Within the PWG Raster it can occupy the first; no, better yet the last 4= bytes of the vender data space and shorten the vendor data space. >>=20=20 >> If you mean-- >> Where will the information come from in a SM or IPP =93job ticket=94; th= en, I agree there is no source. But if an application choices to create a = PWG Raster file and knows the PrintContentType value; then the application = can fill in the field. The default value of zero (=910=92) can represent t= he value of =93unknown=94 or =93not specified=94. So the enum could be >>=20=20 >> typedef enum { >> NotSpecifed =3D 0, >> TextOnly, >> TextAndGraphics, >> GraphicsOnly, >> Photo >> } ContentTypeEnum >>=20=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 >> believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20 >=20 __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_LXLLrE+IMkJy5Szn+2V6Qg) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Ira,

I agree it isn't a great fit in PWG Raster, but if we put it in JPS3 th= en JPS3 has to be completed before we can finish PWG Raster...

On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Ira McDonald wrote:

Hi Mike,

Ab= out putting "print-content-type" (or whatever name) into
PWG Raster rath= er than JPS3.

I suggest this is an architectural error - it's NOT ju= st useful
for PWG Raster - it's useful for any raster or other opaque
document format.

It was the broader use case that we were concerned = about
in the Open Printing Job Ticket API work.

Cheers,
- Ira<= br>
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair = - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SW= G
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High= North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48= 176
  734-944-0094
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Michae= l Sweet <msweet@ap= ple.com> wrote:
Glen,

I was more thi= nking "where to put it in the header", but I've since decided to put PrintQ= uality in one of the empty cupsInteger slots and put your PrintContentType = in the OutputType string field.


Ira,

As for whi= ch specification, since the first use is in the PWG Raster Format spec, I'm= thinking we should put it in the PWG Raster Format spec and then include i= t in the list of required IPP Everywhere job template attributes...

Thoughts?



<= div>
On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Pet= rie, Glen wrote:

 
 =
New Attribute
PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), Photo=
This is combined with =93OutputType=94 to optimize output.=
This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine = that is necessary to have both values.
 
We don't have t= his in the semantic model or IPP yet. Where do you propose I put this?
 
I am not sure what you mean =93where do= you propose I put this=94?
 
If you mean --
Within the PWG Raster it can occupy the= first; no, better yet the last 4 bytes of the vender data space and shorte= n the vendor data space.
 
If you mean--
Where will the information come from in a SM or IPP =93job= ticket=94; then, I agree there is no source.  But if an application c= hoices to create a PWG Raster file and knows the PrintContentType value; th= en the application can fill in the field.  The default value of zero (= =910=92) can represent the value of =93unknown=94 or =93not specified=94.&n= bsp; So the enum could be
 
typedef enum {
         &nbs= p;  NotSpecifed =3D 0,
         &nbs= p;  TextOnly,
         &nbs= p;  TextAndGraphics,
         &nbs= p;  GraphicsOnly,
         &nbs= p;  Photo
} ContentTypeEnum
 


 

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But practically speaking PWG Raster and IPP JPS3 probably *will* be finished (prototypes complete and drafts updated to stable and into PWG Last Call) at about the same time - they're supposed to be - for the overall IPP Everywhere 1.0 timeline. You're referring to an explicit PWG Raster dependency on JPS3 for "print-content-optimize" - I don't think we need one (PWG Raster can have the header field and JPS3 can "later" define the IPP attribute). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Christmas through April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May to Christmas: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Ira, > > I agree it isn't a great fit in PWG Raster, but if we put it in JPS3 then > JPS3 has to be completed before we can finish PWG Raster... > > On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > About putting "print-content-type" (or whatever name) into > PWG Raster rather than JPS3. > > I suggest this is an architectural error - it's NOT just useful > for PWG Raster - it's useful for any raster or other opaque > document format. > > It was the broader use case that we were concerned about > in the Open Printing Job Ticket API work. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 > > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > >> Glen, >> >> I was more thinking "where to put it in the header", but I've since >> decided to put PrintQuality in one of the empty cupsInteger slots and put >> your PrintContentType in the OutputType string field. >> >> >> Ira, >> >> As for which specification, since the first use is in the PWG Raster >> Format spec, I'm thinking we should put it in the PWG Raster Format spec= and >> then include it in the list of required IPP Everywhere job template >> attributes... >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> >> On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote: >> >> ** ** >> ** ** >> >> **** >> New Attribute**** >> PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), Photo******** >> This is combined with =93OutputType=94 to optimize output.******** >> This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine that is >> necessary to have both values.**** >> **** >> >> ** ** >> We don't have this in the semantic model or IPP yet. Where do you propose >> I put this?**** >> ** ** >> I am not sure what you mean =93where do you propose I put this=94?**** >> ** ** >> If you mean --**** >> Within the PWG Raster it can occupy the first; no, better yet the last 4 >> bytes of the vender data space and shorten the vendor data space.**** >> ** ** >> If you mean--**** >> Where will the information come from in a SM or IPP =93job ticket=94; th= en, I >> agree there is no source. But if an application choices to create a PWG >> Raster file and knows the PrintContentType value; then the application c= an >> fill in the field. The default value of zero (=910=92) can represent th= e value >> of =93unknown=94 or =93not specified=94. So the enum could be**** >> ** ** >> typedef enum {**** >> NotSpecifed =3D 0,**** >> TextOnly,**** >> TextAndGraphics,**** >> GraphicsOnly,**** >> Photo**** >> } ContentTypeEnum**** >> ** ** >> >> >> **** >> ** ** >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >> >> believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ >> >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >> >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> > > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --0015174790daf0ec1d04ad4cda87 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike,

I see this "print-content-optimize" as bells-and-= whistles
anyway.

But practically speaking PWG Raster and IPP JPS3=
probably *will* be finished (prototypes complete and
drafts updated = to stable and into PWG Last Call) at
about the same time - they're supposed to be - for the
overall IPP E= verywhere 1.0 timeline.

You're referring to an explicit PWG Rast= er dependency
on JPS3 for "print-content-optimize" - I don'= ;t think we
need one (PWG Raster can have the header field and
JPS3 can "later&= quot; define the IPP attribute).

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foun= dation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SW= G
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High= North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blu= eroofmusic@gmail.com
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=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176
= =A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI= 49839
=A0 906-494-2434





__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG Chair


Hi Mike,<= o:p>

 

If we follow the idea to put the new value in= JPS3 because it is a better fit and we also reach a point where we believe= that PWG Raster is stable but JPS3 still needs some work to be completed, = I believe that our “customers” could make an informed decision = as to whether they believed it would be in their best interest to begin dev= eloping software that was compliant with the draft PWG Raster specification= knowing that changes were still possible but not probable while we waited = for JPS3 to be finished.

<= o:p> 

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From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg= .org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, September 1= 9, 2011 10:45 AM
To: Ira McDonald
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject:
Re: [IPP] Addition to PWG Raster Spec

 

Ira,

 

=

I agree it isn't a great fit in PWG Raster, but = if we put it in JPS3 then JPS3 has to be completed before we can finish PWG= Raster...

 

On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Ira McDonald = wrote:



Hi Mike,

About putting "print-content-type&quo= t; (or whatever name) into
PWG Raster rather than JPS3.

I suggest= this is an architectural error - it's NOT just useful
for PWG Raster - = it's useful for any raster or other opaque
document format.

It wa= s the broader use case that we were concerned about
in the Open Printing= Job Ticket API work.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDona= ld (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printin= g WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Har= dcopy SWG
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Mic= hael Sweet <msweet@apple.com>= wrote:

Glen,

 

I w= as more thinking "where to put it in the header", but I've since = decided to put PrintQuality in one of the empty cupsInteger slots and put y= our PrintContentType in the OutputType string field.

 

 

Ira,

<= /div>

 

As for which specification, since the first use is in the PWG Rast= er Format spec, I'm thinking we should put it in the PWG Raster Format spec= and then include it in the list of required IPP Everywhere job template at= tributes...

 =

Thoughts?

 

=  

 

<= div>

On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Petrie, Gle= n wrote:

 

 

 

New Attribute

Pr= intContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), Photo

This is combined with “OutputTyp= e” to optimize output.

This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine that = is necessary to have both values.

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>We don't have this in the semantic model or IPP yet. Wh= ere do you propose I put this?

 

I am = not sure what you mean “where do you propose I put this”?

 

If = you mean --

Within the PWG Raster it can= occupy the first; no, better yet the last 4 bytes of the vender data space= and shorten the vendor data space.

&nbs= p;

If you mean--

Where will the information come from in a SM or IPP “job = ticket”; then, I agree there is no source.  But if an applicatio= n choices to create a PWG Raster file and knows the PrintContentType value;= then the application can fill in the field.  The default value of zer= o (‘0’) can represent the value of “unknown” or = 220;not specified”.  So the enum could be

<= /div>

 

typedef enum {

       &nb= sp;    NotSpecifed =3D 0,

            TextOnl= y,

      &= nbsp;     TextAndGraphics,

<= div>

            G= raphicsOnly,

    &nb= sp;       Photo

} ContentTypeEnum

 

 

 


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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Michae= l Sweet <msweet@ap= ple.com> wrote:
Ira,

I agree i= t isn't a great fit in PWG Raster, but if we put it in JPS3 then JPS3 h= as to be completed before we can finish PWG Raster...

On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Ira McDonald wrote:
Hi Mike,

About putting "print-= content-type" (or whatever name) into
PWG Raster rather than JPS3.<= br>
I suggest this is an architectural error - it's NOT just useful
= for PWG Raster - it's useful for any raster or other opaque
document format.

It was the broader use case that we were concerned = about
in the Open Printing Job Ticket API work.

Cheers,
- Ira<= br>
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair = - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SW= G
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Michae= l Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
Glen,

I was more thi= nking "where to put it in the header", but I've since decided= to put PrintQuality in one of the empty cupsInteger slots and put your Pri= ntContentType in the OutputType string field.


Ira,

As for whi= ch specification, since the first use is in the PWG Raster Format spec, I&#= 39;m thinking we should put it in the PWG Raster Format spec and then inclu= de it in the list of required IPP Everywhere job template attributes...

Thoughts?



<= div>
On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Petrie, Glen wro= te:

=A0=
= =A0
New Attribute
PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), Photo=
This is combined with =93OutputType=94 to optimize output.=
This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine = that is necessary to have both values.
=A0
We don&= #39;t have this in the semantic model or IPP yet. Where do you propose I pu= t this?
=A0
I am not sure what you mean =93where do= you propose I put this=94?
=A0
If you mean --
Within the PWG Raster it can occupy the= first; no, better yet the last 4 bytes of the vender data space and shorte= n the vendor data space.
=A0
If you mean--
Where will the information come from in a SM or IP= P =93job ticket=94; then, I agree there is no source.=A0 But if an applicat= ion choices to create a PWG Raster file and knows the PrintContentType valu= e; then the application can fill in the field.=A0 The default value of zero= (=910=92) can represent the value of =93unknown=94 or =93not specified=94.= =A0 So the enum could be
=A0
typedef enum {
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 NotSpecifed =3D = 0,
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TextOnly,=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TextAndGraphics,=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 GraphicsOnly,=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Photo<= /u>
} ContentTypeEnum
=A0


=A0

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Our next (joint) conference call will = be September 26 (next Monday) at 1:00pm Eastern time to review slides for t= he F2F.

New action items:

-&nb= sp;Mike to post draft slides for F2F before next concall
- Ira to send number= -up-supported fix to IANA
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Can't we just re= ference that from the ipp everywhere spec as being required? M. From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Paul Ty= kodi Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:35 AM To: 'Michael Sweet' Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE: [IPP] Addition to PWG Raster Spec Hi Mike, If we follow the idea to put the new value in JPS3 because it is a better f= it and we also reach a point where we believe that PWG Raster is stable but= JPS3 still needs some work to be completed, I believe that our "customers"= could make an informed decision as to whether they believed it would be in= their best interest to begin developing software that was compliant with t= he draft PWG Raster specification knowing that changes were still possible = but not probable while we waited for JPS3 to be finished. Best Regards, /Paul -- Paul Tykodi Principal Consultant TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820 Mobile: 603-866-0712 E-mail: ptykodi@tykodi.com WWW: http://www.tykodi.com From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael= Sweet Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:45 AM To: Ira McDonald Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] Addition to PWG Raster Spec Ira, I agree it isn't a great fit in PWG Raster, but if we put it in JPS3 then J= PS3 has to be completed before we can finish PWG Raster... On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: Hi Mike, About putting "print-content-type" (or whatever name) into PWG Raster rather than JPS3. I suggest this is an architectural error - it's NOT just useful for PWG Raster - it's useful for any raster or other opaque document format. It was the broader use case that we were concerned about in the Open Printing Job Ticket API work. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Christmas through April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May to Christmas: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Michael Sweet > wrote: Glen, I was more thinking "where to put it in the header", but I've since decided= to put PrintQuality in one of the empty cupsInteger slots and put your Pri= ntContentType in the OutputType string field. Ira, As for which specification, since the first use is in the PWG Raster Format= spec, I'm thinking we should put it in the PWG Raster Format spec and then= include it in the list of required IPP Everywhere job template attributes.= .. Thoughts? On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote: New Attribute PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), Photo This is combined with "OutputType" to optimize output. This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine that is ne= cessary to have both values. We don't have this in the semantic model or IPP yet. Where do you propose I= put this? I am not sure what you mean "where do you propose I put this"? If you mean -- Within the PWG Raster it can occupy the first; no, better yet the last 4 by= tes of the vender data space and shorten the vendor data space. If you mean-- Where will the information come from in a SM or IPP "job ticket"; then, I a= gree there is no source. But if an application choices to create a PWG Ras= ter file and knows the PrintContentType value; then the application can fil= l in the field. The default value of zero ('0') can represent the value of= "unknown" or "not specified". So the enum could be typedef enum { NotSpecifed =3D 0, TextOnly, TextAndGraphics, GraphicsOnly, Photo } ContentTypeEnum -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --_000_89174419194D3C4E9C6C82B4705A42DF0166A5G9W0749americashp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

PWG 5100.7 already define= s the attribute ‘print-content-optimize’ with values of ‘= photo’, ‘graphics’, ‘text’ and ‘text-an= d-grahics’.  Can’t we just reference that from the ipp everywhere spec as being required?

 <= /p>

M.

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

From: ipp-boun= ces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Paul Tykodi
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:35 AM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: [IPP] Addition to PWG Raster Spec

 

Hi Mike,

 <= /p>

If we follow the idea to = put the new value in JPS3 because it is a better fit and we also reach a po= int where we believe that PWG Raster is stable but JPS3 still needs some work to be completed, I believe that our “customers= ” could make an informed decision as to whether they believed it woul= d be in their best interest to begin developing software that was compliant= with the draft PWG Raster specification knowing that changes were still possible but not probable while we waited for JPS3= to be finished.

 <= /p>

Best Regards,=

 <= /p>

/Paul

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From: ipp-boun= ces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:45 AM
To: Ira McDonald
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Addition to PWG Raster Spec

 

Ira,

 

I agree it isn't a great fit in PWG Raster, but if w= e put it in JPS3 then JPS3 has to be completed before we can finish PWG Ras= ter...

 

On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Ira McDonald wrote:

 

Hi Mike,

About putting "print-content-type" (or whatever name) into
PWG Raster rather than JPS3.

I suggest this is an architectural error - it's NOT just useful
for PWG Raster - it's useful for any raster or other opaque
document format.

It was the broader use case that we were concerned about
in the Open Printing Job Ticket API work.

Cheers,
- Ira

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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Michael Sweet <= msweet@apple.com> wrote:

Glen,

 

I was more thinking "where to put it in the hea= der", but I've since decided to put PrintQuality in one of the empty c= upsInteger slots and put your PrintContentType in the OutputType string fie= ld.

 

 

Ira,

 

As for which specification, since the first use is i= n the PWG Raster Format spec, I'm thinking we should put it in the PWG Rast= er Format spec and then include it in the list of required IPP Everywhere j= ob template attributes...

 

Thoughts?

 

 

 

On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:

 

 

 

New Attribute

PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), = Photo

This is combined with “OutputType” to optimize ou= tput.

This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determ= ine that is necessary to have both values.

 

We don't have this in the semantic model or IPP yet.= Where do you propose I put this?

 

I am not sure what you mean “where do you pr= opose I put this”?

 

If you mean --

Within the PWG Raster it can occupy the first; no,= better yet the last 4 bytes of the vender data space and shorten the vendo= r data space.

 

If you mean--

Where will the information come from in a SM or IP= P “job ticket”; then, I agree there is no source.  But if = an application choices to create a PWG Raster file and knows the PrintConte= ntType value; then the application can fill in the field.  The default value= of zero (‘0’) can represent the value of “unknown”= or “not specified”.  So the enum could be

 

typedef enum {

        &n= bsp;   NotSpecifed =3D 0,

        &n= bsp;   TextOnly,

        &n= bsp;   TextAndGraphics,

        &n= bsp;   GraphicsOnly,

        &n= bsp;   Photo

} ContentTypeEnum

 

 

 


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On Sep 19, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Yousey, Marc wrote: > PWG 5100.7 already defines the attribute =91print-content-optimize=92 wit= h values of =91photo=92, =91graphics=92, =91text=92 and =91text-and-grahics= =92. Can=92t we just reference that from the ipp everywhere spec as being = required? >=20=20 > M. >=20=20 >=20=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Paul = Tykodi > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:35 AM > To: 'Michael Sweet' > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: RE: [IPP] Addition to PWG Raster Spec >=20=20 > Hi Mike, >=20=20 > If we follow the idea to put the new value in JPS3 because it is a better= fit and we also reach a point where we believe that PWG Raster is stable b= ut JPS3 still needs some work to be completed, I believe that our =93custom= ers=94 could make an informed decision as to whether they believed it would= be in their best interest to begin developing software that was compliant = with the draft PWG Raster specification knowing that changes were still pos= sible but not probable while we waited for JPS3 to be finished. >=20=20 > Best Regards, >=20=20 > /Paul > -- > Paul Tykodi > Principal Consultant > TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC >=20 > Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820 > Mobile: 603-866-0712 > E-mail: ptykodi@tykodi.com > WWW: http://www.tykodi.com > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Micha= el Sweet > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:45 AM > To: Ira McDonald > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: Re: [IPP] Addition to PWG Raster Spec >=20=20 > Ira, >=20=20 > I agree it isn't a great fit in PWG Raster, but if we put it in JPS3 then= JPS3 has to be completed before we can finish PWG Raster... >=20=20 > On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: >=20=20 >=20 > Hi Mike, >=20 > About putting "print-content-type" (or whatever name) into > PWG Raster rather than JPS3. >=20 > I suggest this is an architectural error - it's NOT just useful > for PWG Raster - it's useful for any raster or other opaque > document format. >=20 > It was the broader use case that we were concerned about > in the Open Printing Job Ticket API work. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 >=20=20 >=20 > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Glen, >=20=20 > I was more thinking "where to put it in the header", but I've since decid= ed to put PrintQuality in one of the empty cupsInteger slots and put your P= rintContentType in the OutputType string field. >=20=20 >=20=20 > Ira, >=20=20 > As for which specification, since the first use is in the PWG Raster Form= at spec, I'm thinking we should put it in the PWG Raster Format spec and th= en include it in the list of required IPP Everywhere job template attribute= s... >=20=20 > Thoughts? >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote: >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > New Attribute > PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), Photo > This is combined with =93OutputType=94 to optimize output. > This was big discussion in JTAPI definition and it was determine that is = necessary to have both values. >=20=20 > We don't have this in the semantic model or IPP yet. Where do you propose= I put this? >=20=20 > I am not sure what you mean =93where do you propose I put this=94? >=20=20 > If you mean -- > Within the PWG Raster it can occupy the first; no, better yet the last 4 = bytes of the vender data space and shorten the vendor data space. >=20=20 > If you mean-- > Where will the information come from in a SM or IPP =93job ticket=94; the= n, I agree there is no source. But if an application choices to create a P= WG Raster file and knows the PrintContentType value; then the application c= an fill in the field. The default value of zero (=910=92) can represent th= e value of =93unknown=94 or =93not specified=94. So the enum could be >=20=20 > typedef enum { > NotSpecifed =3D 0, > TextOnly, > TextAndGraphics, > GraphicsOnly, > Photo > } ContentTypeEnum >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ >=20 > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20=20 > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > __________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_GCOFXVpJh955F3k/W0XoxA) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Marc,

Thanks for noticing we have already got the attri= bute defined - I'll normatively reference it from the PWG Raster spec and t= hen we can decide whether to require it for IPP Everywhere at the F2F...

On Sep 19, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Yousey, Marc wrote:
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PWG 5100.7 already def= ines the attribute =91print-content-optimize=92 with values of =91photo=92,= =91graphics=92, =91text=92 and =91text-and-grahics=92.  Can=92t we ju= st reference that from the ipp everywhere spec as being required?
 
M.
 
 
From: ipp-bounce= s@pwg.org [mailto:ipp= -bounces@pwg.org] On B= ehalf Of Paul Tykodi<= br>Sent: Monday, S= eptember 19, 2011 8:35 AM
To: 'Michael Sweet'
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: [IPP] Addition to PWG Raster Sp= ec
 
Hi Mike,
 =
If we follow the idea to put the new value = in JPS3 because it is a better fit and we also reach a point where we belie= ve that PWG Raster is stable but JPS3 still needs some work to be completed= , I believe that our =93customers=94 could make an informed decision as to = whether they believed it would be in their best interest to begin developin= g software that was compliant with the draft PWG Raster specification knowi= ng that changes were still possible but not probable while we waited for JP= S3 to be finished.
 
Best Regards,
<= span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb= (31, 73, 125); "> 
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Sent: Mo= nday, September 19, 2011 10:45 AM
To: Ira McDonald
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Addition to PWG Raster= Spec
 
Ira,=
 
I agree it isn't= a great fit in PWG Raster, but if we put it in JPS3 then JPS3 has to be co= mpleted before we can finish PWG Raster...
&nbs= p;
On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Ira McDonald wro= te:

 

Hi Mike,
=
About putting "print-content-type" (or whatever name) into
PWG Raste= r rather than JPS3.

I suggest this is an architectural error - it's = NOT just useful
for PWG Raster - it's useful for any raster or other opa= que
document format.

It was the broader use case that we were con= cerned about
in the Open Printing Job Ticket API work.

Cheers,- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP = WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Expert -= IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmus= ic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc<= /a>
mailto:
blueroofmusic@gmail.com=
Christmas through April:
  579 Park Place  Saline, MI&= nbsp; 48176
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Mich= ael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
=
Glen,
 
I was = more thinking "where to put it in the header", but I've since decided to pu= t PrintQuality in one of the empty cupsInteger slots and put your PrintCont= entType in the OutputType string field.
&n= bsp;
 
Ira,
 
As for which specif= ication, since the first use is in the PWG Raster Format spec, I'm thinking= we should put it in the PWG Raster Format spec and then include it in the = list of required IPP Everywhere job template attributes...
=
Thoughts?
 
 
<= div>
 
On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:53 P= M, Petrie, Glen wrote:
 
=
 
 
New Attribute=
= PrintContentType: Text, Text+Graphics, Graphics(vector), Photo<= /o:p>
This is combined with =93OutputType=94 to optimize= output.
<= div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b= ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">= This was big discussion in JT= API definition and it was determine that is necessary to have both values.<= /span>
 
We don't have this in the semantic model or IPP ye= t. Where do you propose I put this?
<= div>
 
I am not sure what you mean =93w= here do you propose I put this=94?
 
If you mean --
Within the PWG Raster it can occupy = the first; no, better yet the last 4 bytes of the vender data space and sho= rten the vendor data space.
 
I= f you mean--
Where will the information come from in a S= M or IPP =93job ticket=94; then, I agree there is no source.  But if a= n application choices to create a PWG Raster file and knows the PrintConten= tType value; then the application can fill in the field.  The default = value of zero (=910=92) can represent the value of =93unknown=94 or =93not = specified=94.  So the enum could be
=
 
typedef enum {
     =        NotSpecifed =3D 0,
=             TextOnly= ,
         =    TextAndGraphics,
    &= nbsp;       GraphicsOnly,
=             Photo
} ContentTypeEnum
 

 

 

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     State *Health Care and Public Safety personnel are eligible for the National Freddie Mac Benefit for Community Service professionals. NOTE: Before you dismiss this notice, you should google "Freddie Mac Neighborhood Solutions" to learn more about this valuable benefit. This is an appreciation initiative to reduce monthly housing expense by minimizing both the costs and effort associated with securing quality fixed refinancing presently at 4.75%.  You need not have a Fredie Mac program to be eligible.

    Administered by state licensed consultants, benefits include:

- Straight forward, same day approval via direct Freddie Mac automation
- Reduced monthly payment with 30 year fixed rates at 4.75% (4.722 APR)
- Enhanced guidelines for larger loan amounts
- Improve monthly budgeting using options
- Avoiding up front fees or out-of-pocket expenses
- Additional savings, if needed, with discounted PMI

     You have two options to investigate this initiative: (1) To see how much how much this benefit can be worth to you go to www.k12edu.us and merely enter your desired amount. With this single entry you can immediately view and/or print a personal, and very forthright, Detailed information Report. Use either your own attorney or a designated regional title agent to close at the time and location of your choosing to include, if desired, your own home or office.

     Questions? Need additional information or pre-approval? (2) Go here for immediate response. Join other professionals in taking a cost-efficient and financially proactive posture during this time of h seightened economic challenges.

Kindest Regards,

Joe Anderson 
State Program Coordinator - SelectEQUITY 1-877-372-0665

P.S. While this program is not a panacea, it absolutely does deliver important enhancements not offered by any other program. *To be eligible, one should be a health care or public safety professional to include a health care worker who is a medical resident; a nurse, nursing assistant, pharmacist, pharmacy technician, physician's assistant, or medical technician, technologist, or therapist; a sworn law enforcement officer or an employee of a law enforcement agency; a sworn member of a fire department or volunteer firefighter; an emergency medical response person or employee. 






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--b1_8af2b26b75311cefddd21dafe202d5ec-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Sep 21 15:36:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF8711E8124 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:36:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.177, BAYES_20=-0.74, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8aF0i8ddYF+W for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD9311E8073 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A19795EA; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:38:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out.apple.com (honeycrisp.apple.com [17.151.62.51]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AA2795E6 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:38:12 -0400 (EDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from relay15.apple.com ([17.128.113.54]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTP id <0LRW008O39HLMGN0@mail-out.apple.com> for ipp@pwg.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:38:11 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807136-b7c7fae00000458f-e0-4e7a6bc2bb33 Received: from msweet.apple.com (msweet.apple.com [17.197.41.43]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay15.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 5D.DA.17807.2CB6A7E4; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:38:11 -0700 To: ipp@pwg.org Message-id: <6FA47E69-9AE4-4957-9C69-7F83F38E699B@apple.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1250.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprKLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUieFRTW/dQdpWfwdsfJhbH9r1ksTjyLdaB yWPryR9sHvMWT2cKYIrisklJzcksSy3St0vgyvhy8zBzwS21il9tG9gaGDuVuhg5OSQETCSO fd3HBmGLSVy4tx7I5uIQEpjOJPHk/0YWkASbgJrE70l9rCA2s0CCxOxl5xlBbBYBVYkzc6cx gdjCQDUfNhwFi4sI8EtMvAhSz8HBK2Aj8Xp/HEiYV8BY4svmc0wQu+QlfjyYzTSBkXsWkqmz kJRBxLUlli18zTwLaBKzgI7E5IWMqMIQ9sfzR5gWMLKtYhQsSs1JrDQ01UssKMhJ1UvOz93E CAqshkKzHYw7/sodYhTgYFTi4S1UrPITYk0sK67MPcQowcGsJMLbIgkU4k1JrKxKLcqPLyrN SS0+xCjNwaIkzjvtaYWfkEB6YklqdmpqQWoRTJaJg1OqgXF9ezSfVWdv0/aS8p97/9Tu3Wv4 rUXA8eGW/HzGmz+8xF88me7dpptk3PdYWe9oyuvrz79/VjqjIzcv+MCNpnUPrzWK3wvYm/NS P+u7utDr3XsuhQtcfjTvWjwfT2VBPe/vl3NSri/5EBdd90n9kouCkfuPPZpPI1m4fpuK674Q /PSFIav60FclluKMREMt5qLiRADDARW0KAIAAA== X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [IPP] New ipptool release available X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0837981898==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 59A19795EA.A99EC X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0837981898== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_4JvKyj7icBjgZWQklF5iCQ)" --Boundary_(ID_4JvKyj7icBjgZWQklF5iCQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT All, I have posted the latest ipptool binaries for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows at: http://www.cups.org/software.php The new downloads include the following changes: - Fixes for HTTP chunking, timeout, and encryption issues reported by various users. - Greatly improved IPP tests with added IPP/2.2 tests. - New test documents - 1-page and 4-page mixed A4/Letter PDF/PS and a couple JPEGs. - New REPEAT directives to programmatically repeat tests as needed. These are standalone executables (no source - grab the full CUPS sources to get 'em) and instructions for use are in the file "IPPTOOL.TXT". I will be demoing this at the October face-to-face meeting. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_4JvKyj7icBjgZWQklF5iCQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable All,

I = have posted the latest ipptool binaries for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows at= :


The new downloads include = the following changes:

- Fixes for HTTP chunking, timeout, a= nd encryption issues reported by various users.
- Greatly improved IPP test= s with added IPP/2.2 tests.
- New test documents - 1-page and 4-page mixed= A4/Letter PDF/PS and a couple JPEGs.
- New REPEAT directives to programmat= ically repeat tests as needed.

These are standalon= e executables (no source - grab the full CUPS sources to get 'em) and instr= uctions for use are in the file "IPPTOOL.TXT".

I w= ill be demoing this at the October face-to-face meeting.

___= _____________________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer= , PWG Chair






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I have posted a first draft of slides for the October 4, 2011 IPP WG session to:


__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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I have just posted an initial draft of the IPP FaxOut Service based on the newly approved FaxOut Semantic Model and Service Interface to:


Not sure when we'll get around to reviewing this, but enjoy!

__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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     State *Health Care and Public Safety personnel are eligible for the National Freddie Mac Benefit for Community Service professionals. NOTE: Before you dismiss this notice, you should google "Freddie Mac Neighborhood Solutions" to learn more about this valuable benefit. This is an appreciation initiative to reduce monthly housing expense by minimizing both the costs and effort associated with securing quality fixed refinancing presently at 4.75%.  You need not have a Fredie Mac program to be eligible.

    Administered by state licensed consultants, benefits include:

- Straight forward, same day approval via direct Freddie Mac automation
- Reduced monthly payment with 30 year fixed rates at 4.75% (4.722 APR)
- Enhanced guidelines for larger loan amounts
- Improve monthly budgeting using options
- Avoiding up front fees or out-of-pocket expenses
- Additional savings, if needed, with discounted PMI

     You have two options to investigate this initiative: (1) To see how much how much this benefit can be worth to you go to www.k12edu.us and merely enter your desired amount. With this single entry you can immediately view and/or print a personal, and very forthright, Detailed information Report. Use either your own attorney or a designated regional title agent to close at the time and location of your choosing to include, if desired, your own home or office.

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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0456558304==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: D1BC47951B.A95AF X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0456558304== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747b7221b2c3904add71367 --00151747b7221b2c3904add71367 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Robert, Thanks very much for your help. I'm forwarding your reply to the IPP WG mailing list to let others know. Cheers, - Ira On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Roberts, Daniel (IWS-ProgMgr) < daniel.roberts@hp.com> wrote: > HI Ira,**** > > ** ** > > Andrew Mitchell our architect had drafted the information you are looking > for and put it in the UPnP Spec on the PWG site, prior to taking a new > position in HP. You can find the information here: > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/draft-upnpprinter2-2011510.pdf ** > ** > > ** ** > > Andrew said that he put the information in the UPnP Spec, but did not get= a > chance to add it to the IPP Everywhere spec where it belongs.**** > > ** ** > > You should know that this proposal is just being launched with UPnP. I > have been working with the UPnP Chair, Alan Messer, to bring up this new > printer attribute in UPnP. The challenge is to show the value in allowing > IPP to manage the services, and only use UPnP for discovery =96 essential= ly > replace what Bonjour(mDNS) does in IPP Everywhere and replace it with UPnP > for the same actions. Once we get approval, we can move quickly to get t= he > IPP Everywhere standard to become the new DLNA print model. Currently DL= NA > uses UPnP and XHTML-Print which is very limited in the files it can > support. Moving to this new model will be a great step forward and will > open up printing in areas never before supported!**** > > ** ** > > Please let me know if there is anything I can to support the PWG.**** > > ** ** > > Best Regards,**** > > ** ** > > Daniel Roberts**** > > IWS Entertainment Printing Program Manager**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:00 PM > *To:* Roberts, Daniel (IWS-ProgMgr); Ira McDonald > *Cc:* Michael Sweet; Paul Tykodi; Yousey, Marc; Mitchell, Andrew (Mobile > Technology Consultant/iOS Architect) > *Subject:* Re: Could HP help w/ DLNA section of IPP Everywhere?**** > > ** ** > > Hi Daniel, > > In the PWG's current IPP Everywhere project (lightweight, secure, > mobile printing using IPP/2.0 w/ extensions), we have a brief section > for each of several discovery protocols. > > The latest draft IPP Everywhere spec is at: > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeve10-20110803.pdf > > It has a placeholder section 4.4 UPNP Discovery - this needs to be > replaced by one or more paragraphs of text - and also renamed to > DLNA Discovery, I think? > > If you look at Table 1 in section 4.1, a similar mapping table > should be included in section 4.4 - otherwise Table 1 will become > unreadable due to font size, I think. > > If you look at section 4.2 DNS Service Discovery (i.e., Bonjour), > you can see the desired level of detail for the key device attributes. > > Note that section 4.3 LDAP and SLP Discovery simply references > the existing LDAP Printer Schema (RFC 3712) - which normatively > references the IANA-registered SLP Printer Schema. Pat Fleming > (IBM) and I are now revising RFC 3712 to add directory attributes > (printer-uuid, printer-geo-location, and ipp-extensions-supported) > that are all defined in the IPP Job and Printer Extensions Set 3 at: > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20110802.pdf > > Any help with DLNA/UPnP discovery description for IPP Everywhere > would be much appreciated. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434**** > > > > **** > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Roberts, Daniel (IWS-ProgMgr) < > daniel.roberts@hp.com> wrote:**** > > Hi Ira,**** > > **** > > I am the Managing the work to support DLNA/UPnP in our printers. What can > I do for you?**** > > **** > > Regards,**** > > **** > > Daniel **** > > *From:* Yousey, Marc > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:13 PM > *To:* Ira McDonald; Michael Sweet; Paul Tykodi > *Cc:* Roberts, Daniel (IWS-ProgMgr) > *Subject:* RE: Could HP help w/ DLNA section of IPP Everywhere?**** > > **** > > Our man for that is Daniel Roberts (copied). Hopefully he can help you > out.**** > > **** > > M.**** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2011 3:08 PM > *To:* Yousey, Marc; Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald; Paul Tykodi > *Subject:* Could HP help w/ DLNA section of IPP Everywhere?**** > > **** > > Hi Marc, > > I have this action item from IPP WG to ask you about HP help > with the DLNA/UPnP discovery section of IPP Everywhere. > > Can you help or recommend an HP person to do so? > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434**** > > **** > > ** ** > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --00151747b7221b2c3904add71367 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Robert,

Thanks very much for your help.

I'm forwarding= your reply to the IPP WG mailing list
to let others know.

Cheers= ,
- Ira



On Tue, = Sep 20, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Roberts, Daniel (IWS-ProgMgr) &l= t;daniel.roberts@hp.com> wrote:

HI Ir= a,

=A0

Andre= w Mitchell our architect had drafted the information you are looking for an= d put it in the UPnP Spec on the PWG site, prior to taking a new position in HP.=A0 You can find the information here:=A0 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/draft-upnpprinter2-2011510.pdf=

=A0

Andre= w said that he put the information in the UPnP Spec, but did not get a chan= ce to add it to the IPP Everywhere spec where it belongs.

=A0

You s= hould know that this proposal is just being launched with UPnP.=A0 I have b= een working with the UPnP Chair, Alan Messer, to bring up this new printer = attribute in UPnP.=A0 The challenge is to show the value in allowing IPP to manage t= he services, and only use UPnP for discovery =96 essentially replace what B= onjour(mDNS) does in IPP Everywhere and replace it with UPnP for the same a= ctions.=A0 Once we get approval, we can move quickly to get the IPP Everywhere standard to become the new DLNA pri= nt model.=A0 Currently DLNA uses UPnP and XHTML-Print which is very limited= in the files it can support.=A0 Moving to this new model will be a great s= tep forward and will open up printing in areas never before supported!

=A0

Pleas= e let me know if there is anything I can to support the PWG.<= /span>

=A0

Best = Regards,

=A0

Danie= l Roberts

IWS E= ntertainment Printing Program Manager

=A0

From:= Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:00 PM
To: Roberts, Daniel (IWS-ProgMgr); Ira McDonald
Cc: Michael Sweet; Paul Tykodi; Yousey, Marc; Mitchell, Andrew (Mobi= le Technology Consultant/iOS Architect)
Subject: Re: Could HP help w/ DLNA section of IPP Everywhere?=

=A0

Hi Daniel,

In the PWG's current IPP Everywhere project (lightweight, secure,
mobile printing using IPP/2.0 w/ extensions), we have a brief section
for each of several discovery protocols.

The latest draft IPP Everywhere spec is at:

=A0 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeve10-20110803.pdf<= /a>

It has a placeholder section 4.4 UPNP Discovery - this needs to be
replaced by one or more paragraphs of text - and also renamed to
DLNA Discovery, I think?

If you look at Table 1 in section 4.1, a similar mapping table
should be included in section 4.4 - otherwise Table 1 will become
unreadable due to font size, I think.

If you look at section 4.2 DNS Service Discovery (i.e., Bonjour),
you can see the desired level of detail for the key device attributes.

Note that section 4.3 LDAP and SLP Discovery simply references
the existing LDAP Printer Schema (RFC 3712) - which normatively
references the IANA-registered SLP Printer Schema.=A0 Pat Fleming
(IBM) and I are now revising RFC 3712 to add directory attributes
(printer-uuid, printer-geo-location, and ipp-extensions-supported)
that are all defined in the IPP Job and Printer Extensions Set 3 at:

=A0
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext3v10-20110802.pdf
Any help with DLNA/UPnP discovery description for IPP Everywhere
would be much appreciated.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
ht= tp://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176
=A0 7= 34-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839
=A0 9= 06-494-2434



On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Roberts, Daniel (IW= S-ProgMgr) <d= aniel.roberts@hp.com> wrote:

Hi Ir= a,

=A0

I am = the Managing the work to support DLNA/UPnP in our printers.=A0 What can I d= o for you?

=A0

Regar= ds,

=A0

Daniel

From:= Yousey, Marc
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:13 PM
To: Ira McDonald; Michael Sweet; Paul Tykodi
Cc: Roberts, Daniel (IWS-ProgMgr)
Subject: RE: Could HP help w/ DLNA section of IPP Everywhere?
=

=A0

Our m= an for that is Daniel Roberts (copied).=A0 Hopefully he can help you out.

=A0

M.

=A0

=A0

From:= Ira McDonald [mail= to:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:08 PM
To: Yousey, Marc; Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald; Paul Tykodi
Subject: Could HP help w/ DLNA section of IPP Everywhere?
<= /u>

=A0

Hi Marc,

I have this action item from IPP WG to ask you about HP help
with the DLNA/UPnP discovery section of IPP Everywhere.

Can you help or recommend an HP person to do so?

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
ht= tp://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto:blueroo= fmusic@gmail.com
Christmas through April:
=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176
=A0 734-944-0094
May to Christmas:
=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839
=A0 906-494-2434<= u>

=A0

=A0



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Also availa= ble are the .docx and -rev versions.=20 The associated schema files are available at: You can browse the Print Job Ticket shema at: and browse the associated capabilities at: Please bring any comments you have to the MFD session at the Face to Face m= eeting and/or post them to . Peter Zehler --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Sep 26 11:08:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D311F0C5D for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:08:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.097, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5HB0PXikVHeA for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8423D1F0C5A for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C8479545; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:10:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.49]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6829E79537; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:10:31 -0400 (EDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from relay14.apple.com ([17.128.113.52]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPS id <0LS5006Y96GE2RE1@mail-out.apple.com>; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:10:30 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807134-b7cedae000007447-a9-4e80bda6b1be Received: from msweet.apple.com (msweet.apple.com [17.197.41.43]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 2E.6F.29767.7ADB08E4; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:00:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:10:29 -0700 To: cloud@pwg.org Message-id: <2EBD0E79-24E8-4EB0-A508-BEAD7845A895@apple.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrGLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUieFRTW3f53gY/g28n9C0ubz/AanFs30sW iyPfYh2YPbae/MHmMW/xdKYApigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujMurzzMVTJarODytl62B8ZVUFyMn h4SAicTECc/YIWwxiQv31rN1MXJxCAlMZ5LYMGcxM0iCTUBN4vekPlYQm1fAWGLNrXcsIDaz QIJEx+ULYM0sAqoSjz59A6sXBhq6/u4XNogafomDvR/A4iICghLnD9xg6mLkAJpjI/H1PR/E XnmJlq932CYw8sxCsmEWkg0QtrbEsoWvmWcBdTML6EhMXsiIKgxhfzx/hGkBI9sqRsGi1JzE SkMTvcSCgpxUveT83E2MoNBrKDTZwXjwJ/8hRgEORiUeXsctDX5CrIllxZW5hxglOJiVRHjX rgQK8aYkVlalFuXHF5XmpBYfYpTmYFES5/Xzr/UTEkhPLEnNTk0tSC2CyTJxcEo1MOou7fu5 vGPGlKr0L4cCsnSlFH5Od3+WUf3UNf/27SNp/wqLtCb9SJhz8fJZr54c0fseK29M6Dz9NDtZ I++4xzSOKxqfH6sybzey+P/3xXLPmRVKG+6JuaRda/3ceeDfEt6ZPj/WfZOL3n/+et71+W4b pDZkSe64ckleb81OC6cN9onWllUvV6xUYinOSDTUYi4qTgQATPduiTkCAAA= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Minutes posted from today's conference call X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1062601857==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 78C8479545.A8DBD X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1062601857== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RyxQc5gPELQp32Xw02rFOg)" --Boundary_(ID_RyxQc5gPELQp32Xw02rFOg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT All, I have posted the minutes for today's Cloud Imaging conference call to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/minutes/cloud-concall-minutes-20110926.pdf I also uploaded fixed minutes for the September 12, 2011 conference call to the same directory. Next meeting is October 5, 2011 at 9am Pacific Time at Ricoh in Cupertino, CA. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_RyxQc5gPELQp32Xw02rFOg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable All,

I = have posted the minutes for today's Cloud Imaging conference call to:
=


I also uploaded fixed mi= nutes for the September 12, 2011 conference call to the same directory.

Next meeting is October 5, 2011 at 9am Pacific Time a= t Ricoh in Cupertino, CA.

_______________________________________________________________= _________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Cha= ir






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Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: <2EBD0E79-24E8-4EB0-A508-BEAD7845A895@apple.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:11:58 -0700 Message-id: References: <2EBD0E79-24E8-4EB0-A508-BEAD7845A895@apple.com> To: cloud@pwg.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrPLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUieFRTW3fL/gY/g647rBaXtx9gtTi27yWL xZFvsQ7MHltP/mDzmLd4OlMAUxSXTUpqTmZZapG+XQJXxtvNtxkL5tpU7HvxhaWBcZdpFyMn h4SAicS7zhMsELaYxIV769m6GLk4hASmM0kc3bGVDSQhLOAgcaflEZjNK2AssebWO7AGZoEE iWtv34PF2QTUJH5P6mMFsTkFbCU+vHzMDGKzCKhKrH/ymQminl/iYO8HZog5NhJfG46B1QsB 2XvP7gCrEREQlDh/4AYTxEHyEi1f77BNYOSbhWT1LCSrIWxtiWULXzPPYuQAsnUkJi9kRBWG sD+eP8K0gJFtFaNgUWpOYqWhsV5iQUFOql5yfu4mRlCwNhTK7mDc/5P/EKMAB6MSD6/jlgY/ IdbEsuLK3EOMEhzMSiK8a1cChXhTEiurUovy44tKc1KLDzFKc7AoifN+Dqj1ExJITyxJzU5N LUgtgskycXBKNTBuWfrlxB6PjN+fHW/7VSz2yvd8m722VJplz5O731/c/Bf7ou+ANFP83vWf JttHu4UdiRBnmyf07r1Gg1addySnq7j602/8eXdjjSO/9dme+pz00vd++ZzTv08+Tji2Mt10 Q1iR6e9HZlExS0Mkp09caPqloZ7R/slM9w8T2ur/5lslqExI3KWlxFKckWioxVxUnAgAXPKk vlICAAA= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Re: [Cloud] Minutes posted from today's conference call X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 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On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Michael Sweet wrote:

All,

I have posted the minutes for today's Cl= oud Imaging conference call to:

I also uploaded fixed minutes for the September 12, 2011 confe= rence call to the same directory.

Next meeting is = October 5, 2011 at 9am Pacific Time at Ricoh in Cupertino, CA.
_____________________________________________________________________= ___
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair






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_______________________________________________
cloud mailing list
cloud@pwg.org
https://www.pwg.org/mai= lman/listinfo/cloud

_______________________________________________________________= _________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Cha= ir






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believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_LqXuZv/Zj4XmAyNBETIf4Q)-- --===============1498749792== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============1498749792==-- From pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Mon Sep 26 16:13:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323FD21F8DD8 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:13:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.584 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.584 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NUEfOHPnP70b for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD6421F86B3 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C191A79557; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:16:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Delivered-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Received: from mail-fx0-f46.google.com (mail-fx0-f46.google.com [209.85.161.46]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E50C79557 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fxe4 with SMTP id 4so8013269fxe.5 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:15:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=a9w2IGY4a/RJ+d2BXUExdu1xjGB7xWh1Yuu6anFXOTo=; b=OQneQQS5M2gdhxK6+cHXjIapcLK0Q1I3It4SNKSZ1NzcPcLPPoROZtf11O82AAQf+T vgoNo8DZUa36b6eAiTuJqp7AzQYgCmhkUX/KbuMNLJ7P0Aw6oczaMlR7Sn0PUGDz39oU p88esEXAPBi0yKIxdypaGO6b7cmuP0F4JbTFY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.59.137 with SMTP id l9mr11331128fah.15.1317078948257; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.105.11 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:15:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: pwg-announce@pwg.org, "nancy.chen@okidata.com" , Ira McDonald , Anil Thakkar , Ranga Raj , Subramanyan Krishnan , Nagaraj Ghatigar , "Laxman J. Bhat" X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [Pwg-Announce] CWMP MFD BOF - 9-11am PDT 4 October 2011 X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0936747696==" Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: C191A79557.AD4E3 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org --===============0936747696== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747bca8da1f2804ade05617 --00151747bca8da1f2804ade05617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, The PWG-Thinxtream CWMP MFD BOF team has completed their preliminary work and produced slides and a whitepaper about MFD support using Broadband Forum CPE WAN Management Protocol (CWMP) [TR-069]. Next week's PWG face-to-face meeting at Ricoh in Cupertino, CA will begin with a two-hour CWMP MFD BOF. Schedule: 4 October 2011 - 9-11am PDT / 12-2pm EDT - usual PWG dial-up number/access code Slides: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/cwmp/cwmp-bof-oct-2011.pdf / ppt Whitepaper: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/cwmp/white-cwmpmfdmodel10-20110926.pdf / doc - for initial review during CWMP MFD BOF session Cheers, - Ira (for the PWG-Thinxtream CWMP MFD BOF team) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --00151747bca8da1f2804ade05617 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

The PWG-Thinxtream CWMP MFD BOF team has completed their
prel= iminary work and produced slides and a whitepaper about MFD
support usin= g Broadband Forum CPE WAN Management Protocol
(CWMP) [TR-069].

Next week's PWG face-to-face meeting at Ricoh in Cupertino, CA
will = begin with a two-hour CWMP MFD BOF.

Schedule:
4 October 2011 - 9-= 11am PDT / 12-2pm EDT
- usual PWG dial-up number/access code

Slides:
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/cwmp/cwmp-bof-oct-2011.pdf / ppt
Whitepaper:
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/cwmp/white-cwmpm= fdmodel10-20110926.pdf / doc
- for initial review during CWMP MFD BOF session

Cheers,
- Ira (f= or the PWG-Thinxtream CWMP MFD BOF team)


Ira McDon= ald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printi= ng WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP= WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert -= IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.goog= le.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
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I went through the current d= ocument and have the following comments.

 

 

  1. In the second paragraph= of the “Scope” section, it states the “No provisions are included to specify roll paper sizes.”  However, …
    1. &= #8230; in the Section 3. Media Type, there are four roll types and one undet= ermined length for “screen”. 
    2. &= #8230; in section 5.1.3 it states “… for roll-fed media, the long-d= im is always 0.”

This should be resolved.

  1. Again, Hagaki is not a = media type.  If someone really believes this is a “media typeR= 21; then it should be added as a vendor extension.
  2. Clarification of the wo= rd “sources” in the Abstract.   When I first read it, I thought it meant = “media source”; however, I now believe it means “reference source= ”.   I would suggest dropping the word “sources” in the abstrac= t.
  3. On Page 17, there are t= wo entries for na_10x15_10x15in
  4. On page 18, should iso_a4x4_297x841mm be included?

 

Glen

 

 


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I have posted the updated IPP Everywhere 1.0 draft to:


For review at next week's F2F.

__________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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I plan on going through all of the RFCs to find any other mention of "unknown" and then provide another update for the registry... On Sep 16, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: > Ira, > > There are are a few places where "Unknown" was purposely set to either all uppercase or lowercase. It was so the values matched the associated external definitions (i.e., charset, MIME type, OS name). Here are the affected WKVs: > lowercase: CharsetWKV(unknown-8bit), DocumentFormatWKV > Uppercase: OperatingSystemNameWKV > Fixed to titlecase: ConnectionFailReasonWKV, PowerRequestStatusWKV > > I have no issue with the way the SM handles SystemGeoLocation. An empty SystemGeoLocation maps to no-value. I agree that every printer has geographic location. I do not agree it has a GeoLocation until a geolocation component has instrumented the data or it has been administratively set. (probably set with data from a geolocation component) If the printer has a geolocation component and was unable to triangulate its position, i'd say the SystemGeoLocation was unknown. > > I would prefer to interpret an empty SystemGeoLocation as no-value. I would prefer to use the IPP 'no-value' tag with printer-geo-location regardless of the reason. I could live with using the IPP 'unknown' tag for instrumentation failure. > > Pete > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org on behalf of Ira McDonald > Sent: Thu 9/15/2011 3:44 PM > To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: Re: [IPP] Use of unknown and no-value attribute value tags > > Hi Mike, > > "unknown" is used 39 places in PwgWellKnownValues.xsd > in three spellings - unknown, Unknown, and UNKNOWN > - oof! - needs work here... > > In PWG SM, SystemGeoLocation is of datatype "xs:anyURI" > with a reference to RFC 5870 ('geo' URI Scheme). "unknown" > is an obviously illegal value, while the empty string can be and > is construed as "unknown" in MFD Model [PWG5108.01]. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Christmas through April: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > May to Christmas: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > >> Ira, >> >> Semantically-speaking "unknown" and "no-value" do mean different things: >> >> unknown: There is a value but we don't know what it is. >> no-value: We know there is no value. >> >> Clearly every printer has a geographic location (and thus a value exists), >> however the value of that location may not be known because nobody has >> entered one and/or the printer has no way to get its location automatically. >> While we certainly could use "no-value" for printer-geo-location and treat >> it as "no value set", I like using a more specific tag if one exists. >> >> That said, I wonder - how does the Semantic Model map "unknown" to the XML >> schema? >> (or does it?) If there isn't a mapping of unknown then I would suggest we >> formally deprecate the "unknown" value tag and use "no-value" for >> printer-geo-location as you suggest - it hasn't been used widely (or at all >> as far as I can see) and I don't want to depend on something that can't be >> mapped to another protocol binding. >> >> >> On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >> >> Hi Mike, >> >> I like all of it, except that in printer-geo-location we should >> get rid of that MIB-centric "unknown" and instead use the >> semantically equivalent "no-value". >> >> Cheers, >> - Ira >> >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG >> Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> Christmas through April: >> 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 >> 734-944-0094 >> May to Christmas: >> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 >> 906-494-2434 >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> I've received a few queries about how the "unknown" and "no-value" >>> attribute value tags are used in IPP recently. What I've been telling >>> people is basically the following, but I'd like to document this somewhere, >>> perhaps as an errata for one of the IPP RFCs (probably RFC 2911 and 3380) >>> along with some updates to the IPP registry for the affected attributes. >>> >>> Comments? >>> >>> >>> The "no-value" Attribute Value Tag >>> >>> This value may be set or returned for any settable Job, Subscription, or >>> Printer attribute. The typical usage is to specify an xxx-default Job >>> Template attribute that has no default value, such as >>> "orientation-requested-default" - in that case the Printer may apply a >>> default based on the document such as automatically applying >>> "orientation-requested" with a value of 4 (landscape) for a landscape >>> document. >>> >>> The "no-value" value may also be returned for read-only description >>> attributes that are a mandatory part of an object. For example, the Job >>> object's "time-at-completion" attribute can be returned as "no-value" when >>> the Job has not yet entered a terminating state. >>> >>> >>> The "unknown" Attribute Value Tag >>> >>> This value may only be set or returned for specific Printer attributes. >>> Currently only the proposed "printer-geo-location" attribute has been >>> defined to potentially have an "unknown" value. >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >>> >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>> >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Sep 28 13:43:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3E41F0D08 for ; 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Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:45:12 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 1180711d-b7cc6ae000006836-9d-4e838699ca97 Received: from da0704a-dhcp76.apple.com (da0704a-dhcp76.apple.com [17.197.43.76]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay13.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 44.F1.26678.996838E4; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:42:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:45:13 -0700 To: ipp@pwg.org Message-id: <127E2712-F60E-40D7-A275-339E59F5FAB4@apple.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprGLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUieFTbR3dmW7OfwY7X5hbH9r1ksTjyLdaB yWPryR9sHvMWT2cKYIrisklJzcksSy3St0vgypi28ghLwUaxihsnbjI2MM4U7mLk5JAQMJE4 //waM4QtJnHh3nq2LkYuDiGB5UwSfTPegiXYBNQkfk/qYwWxmQUSJE50XgezWQRUJd4vf8QI YgsL6Ep8/7cNrF5EgF9i4kWIel4BG4n9G4+yQdjGEmtuvWOBWCYv0fL1DtsERu5ZSMbOQlIG EdeWWLbwNfMsRg4gW0di8kJGVGEI++P5I0wLGNlWMQoWpeYkVhoa6yUWFOSk6iXn525iBIVW Q6HsDsb9P/kPMQpwMCrx8C5MaPYTYk0sK67MPcQowcGsJMK7OxYoxJuSWFmVWpQfX1Sak1p8 iFGag0VJnLf7XYOfkEB6YklqdmpqQWoRTJaJg1OqgdFy+ZfQNQYe5/fZ9M7bteuvjV1Bd0Pc BG7eK5sU9gXeUzi6wXmf6sM1Sbl7r+zn99PWy7ENsLvXHOEc/qNDc7f6MwkDx2trF6TYJqtv d5z90OfSnUZ/Z9eKxW2MQt9zZm2L7VZtmTj5W57S3lX53NOSErdkS/bNdXzkZ1D5QXRDzqXg /ZdP2SixFGckGmoxFxUnAgDYyTvsKQIAAA== X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [IPP] New version of ipptool now available X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0250608894==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 39D31795F4.A839A X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0250608894== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2OyGQCfWDyy7gzYQU33S2A)" --Boundary_(ID_2OyGQCfWDyy7gzYQU33S2A) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT All, The latest version of the standalone binaries for CUPS ipptool is now available for download from: http://www.cups.org/software.php The new release includes more IPP conformance tests and documents, provides a summary of results at the end of a test run, and fixes a number of bugs. Changes include: - Test output now includes a summary and overall score at the end. - The MATCH-VALUE predicate now correctly deals with a failed EXPECT condition. - The IPP/1.1 test suite now looks for legacy media names and uses them if the corresponding PWG standard names are not present. - The IPP/1.1 test suite now tests the Print-Job+Release-Job when the printer supports the job-hold-until attribute, Hold-Job operation, and Release-Job operation. I'll be demoing this version of the tool at next week's face-to-face. Enjoy! __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_2OyGQCfWDyy7gzYQU33S2A) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable All,

Th= e latest version of the standalone binaries for CUPS ipptool is now availab= le for download from:

    http://www.cups.org/software.php

The new relea= se includes more IPP conformance tests and documents, provides a summary of= results at the end of a test run, and fixes a number of bugs. Ch= anges include:

- Test output now includes a summary and overall= score at the end.
- The MATCH-VALUE predicate now correctly = deals with a failed EXPECT condition.
- The IPP/1.1 test suit= e now looks for legacy media names and uses them if the corresponding = PWG standard names are not present.
- The IPP/1.1 test suite = now tests the Print-Job+Release-Job when the printer supports the job-hold-= until attribute, Hold-Job operation, and Release-Job operation.
<= br>
I'll be demoing this version of the tool at next week's face-= to-face.

Enjoy!

___________________________________= _______________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_2OyGQCfWDyy7gzYQU33S2A)-- --===============0250608894== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============0250608894==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Sep 28 21:40:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09ABE1F0C45 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:40:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.558 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.558 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.040, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nXsaJ5xkcWnP for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BA51F0C3E for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB6B79607; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:42:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.51]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE8B79606 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:42:13 -0400 (EDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from relay13.apple.com ([17.128.113.29]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPS id <0LS900IN2P1YAE40@mail-out.apple.com> for ipp@pwg.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:42:12 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 1180711d-b7cc6ae000006836-b2-4e83f6643fd3 Received: from [17.151.78.127] (Unknown_Domain [17.151.78.127]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay13.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 75.F7.26678.466F38E4; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:39:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:42:11 -0700 To: ipp@pwg.org Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprCLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiON2vXjf1W7OfwZ9eRotj+16yWBz5FuvA 5LH15A82j3mLpzMFMEVx2aSk5mSWpRbp2yVwZVy72MhYsE+y4t7Nk4wNjA/Euhg5OSQETCQa 371ih7DFJC7cW8/WxcjFISQwlUnixJoOsASbgJrE70l9rF2MHBzMAgkS34/JgYRZBFQlXjdc BSsRFtCR6Dlylg3EFhHgl5h4EaSck4NXwEZi0ucGKNtYYs2tdywQu+QlWr7eYZvAyD0LYeos JFUgNrOAtsSyha+ZIUp0JCYvZEQVhrA/nj/CtICRbRWjYFFqTmKlobFeYkFBTqpecn7uJkZQ WDUUyu5g3P+T/xCjAAejEg/vwoRmPyHWxLLiytxDjBIczEoivL/WAYV4UxIrq1KL8uOLSnNS iw8xSnOwKInzdr9r8BMSSE8sSc1OTS1ILYLJMnFwSjUwTmk/HDPzGudDwcvyzZ+tfrmIvwlf +9pjcVRW07MZq4+0vY1PC3bQeOT3f3Pn7o2hHc3bvycVWmxtCV7RPP1BtdU/1+cPuWIXzNKr 9l04K8VBkmHN+eSVW16dDqx1s+/6cFO1uCgr/O5tGamWTtMTfMuvn2k65ycpulSkXv/m4SvC G10vLQ4yUWIpzkg01GIuKk4EADD0J0YnAgAA X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [IPP] Another typo in the IPP registry... X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1008913610==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 1CB6B79607.A917E X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1008913610== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_oqNym6kXWwSSQKXyebY6hQ)" --Boundary_(ID_oqNym6kXWwSSQKXyebY6hQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >From the "attribute group tags" listing we have: 0x10-0x0F Unassigned This should (obviously) be 0x0A-0x0F. __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_oqNym6kXWwSSQKXyebY6hQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable From the "attribute group = tags" listing we have:

0x10-0x0F
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_______________________________________= ___________
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This gets us up-to-date with all published PWG specifications. I still need to go through the RFCs and PWG specs to determine which attributes need to have "no-value" or "unknown" listed as alternate value tags. __________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Boundary_(ID_H0wipKrAFeekOvdkYhfRpQ) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable All,

I = have updated our pending registrations file yet again with the following ch= anges:

    - Fixed number-up-s= upported registration
    - Fixed attribute group tag r= egistrations
    - Added missing MSN 1.0 (PWG 5101.1) m= edia definitions
    - Fixed media-col registrations fr= om PWG 5100.3; was missing all of the
      media-= xxx-supported printer attributes, and the keyword values did not
=       have the proper attribute/member attribute names.
    - Fixed output-bin registrations (missing -default and = -supported
    - Removed the non-existent media-thickne= ss member attribute and corrected
      the spelli= ng of the media-pre-printed member attribute.
    - Add= ed missing member attribute definitions for media-col-actual Job
=       Description attribute and media-col-database Printer D= escription
      attribute.

This gets us up-to-date with all published PWG specifications. &nb= sp;I still need to go through the RFCs and PWG specs to determine which att= ributes need to have "no-value" or "unknown" listed as alternate value tags= .

___________________________________= _______________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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