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= --_562e6be0-2339-4177-a4f6-da617a68df19_-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sun Mar 2 12:17:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65AA1A0AB8 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 12:17:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.335 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.335 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CUx0bjKRg8rf for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 12:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF971A0AB0 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 12:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C5285BD; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-ie0-x231.google.com (mail-ie0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 342EC842F for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 20:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id rl12so5359324iec.36 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 12:17:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=KOPxT3Ts+hFcUZFK1LTMqPAzEoyy/lv4FjUQNcMFC5s=; b=ei6PQJuTBODYqVt2lZ8e1C22IgRhT5rTCn8123Zdf+wDGyZT0/4O9Jc3N4pwDMMj7u /TUXCeuSHEE+QX28OA6X0xNbJ3T6A150MQ/BvLqzwFPZvU67ejBoT8uGcCZvkH+k6Ney AoDwkpuizqPmEg+tl3qem7TkNV6HB62tF/QkUHthusQoMXENwBonIC55R1bfWMeTh366 SdyaOTq5jZee9n2q7GDPgGuD6oYPCR7LnPs17L105gS7jRBCGLVjFHvpBYO/z0YTi0iB ufW4gUm5UX+bOShNXMH8HfRr5IajaUeUrlOvWYVjAn2CFcUQTRH+RS96lGORLb5tZjql 2AwA== X-Received: by 10.50.171.169 with SMTP id av9mr18140324igc.14.1393791467622; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 12:17:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.184.133 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 12:17:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ira McDonald Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 15:17:27 -0500 Message-ID: To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Subject: [IPP] Posted LDAP Printer Schema (3 March 2013) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1333191026==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1333191026== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0111c1ca5196cb04f3a55d1c --089e0111c1ca5196cb04f3a55d1c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Based on IETF Apps Area review by Alexey Melnikov. I've just posted a new draft of LDAP Schema for Printer Services to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-06-20140303.txt - plaintext Internet-Draft format (warning - contains explicit formfeed characters) ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-06-20140303.pdf - line numbered PDF of plaintext - use this version for review, please This document *will be* submitted to the IETF I-D repository tomorrow, when the I-D submission blackout for IETF 89 ends. Minor typos from the I-D Nits tool may be corrected tomorrow morning (in the PWG FTP repository versions as well). This document was created by revising the original LDAP Schema for Printer Services [RFC3712]. Cheers, - Ira --------------------------------------- Change History 3 March 2014 - draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-06.txt Seventh draft - for IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Global - updated publication and expiration dates in copyright, header, footer, and boilerplate. Global - replaced 'SHOULD not' w/ 'SHOULD NOT' for RFC 2911 compliance, per Alexey Melnikov. Editorial - revised Abstract and section 1 Introduction to clarify that this document is an individual submission to the IETF by the IPP WG of the IEEE-ISTO PWG, per Tom Petch and IPP WG review. Editorial - revised Abstract and section 1 Introduction to clarify that this document obsoletes [RFC3712], per Alexey Melnikov. Editorial - added section 1.1 'Relationship to SLP Printer Service' and section 1.2 'Source of LDAP Printer Attributes' for clarity. Editorial - added section 1.3 'Sources of LDAP Printer Schema OIDs' to describe permanent delegation of "1.3.18.0.2.24.46" to the IEEE-ISTO PWG by IBM in October 2011, per Alexey Melnikov. Editorial - added section 1.4 'Rationale for Design Choices' for clarity. Editorial - revised sections 3.1, 3.4, 3.5, and 3.6 to delete erroneous SHOULD references to structural classes, per Alexey Melnikov. Editorial - revised section 4 to clarify reference to section 4 of [RFC4517] and forward reference to section 6 of LDAP Printer Schema, per Alexey Melnikov. Editorial - revised section 4 to add implementation note about compatibility with existing implementations of [RFC3712] and underlying string length limits in [RFC2707], [RFC2911], [RFC3805], [PWG5107.2], [PWG5100.13], and [PWG5100.14], per Alexey Melnikov. Editorial - revised section 4.4 to change SHOULD to MUST for conformance to [BCP47] for natural language tags, per Alexey Melnikov. Editorial - revised section 4.4 printer-natural-language-configured and section 4.13 printer-generated-natural-language-supported definitions to clarify that they refer to LDAP Printer in syntax DirectoryString (UTF-8), per Alexey Melnikov. Editorial - revised section 4.11 printer-charset-configured and section 4.12 printer-charset-supported definitions to clarify that they refer to IPP protocol values and that corresponding LDAP Printer attributes are always in syntax DirectoryString (UTF-8), per Alexey Melnikov. Editorial - revised section 4.20 printer-number-up-supported and section 4.35 printer-device-id definitions to add missing SINGLE-VALUE clause, per Alexey Melnikov. Editorial - revised section 4.35 printer-device-id to delete confusing and redundant note about ordering of key/value pairs within LDAP attribute values (since this is clearly explained in [PWG5107.2]), per Alexey Melnikov. Editorial - revised section 4 syntaxes of printer-uri, printer-xri-supported, printer-name, printer-natural-language-configured, printer-location, printer-info, printer-more-info, printer-make-and-model, printer-ipp-versions-supported, printer-charset-configured, printer-charset-supported, printer-generated-natural-language-supported, printer-document-format-supported, printer-compression-supported, printer-finishings-supported, printer-sides-supported, printer-media-supported, printer-media-local-supported, printer-resolution-supported, printer-current-operator, printer-service-person, printer-delivery-orientation-supported, printer-stacking-order-supported, printer-output-features-supported, printer-aliases, printer-device-id, printer-uuid, printer-charge-info, printer-charge-info-uri, printer-geo-location, printer-ipp-features-supported, to remove length restrictions in syntax and add textual notes instead about IPP compatibility (where applicable), per Alexey Melnikov. Editorial - added appendix A 'Changes since RFC 3712', per Alexey Melnikov. Editorial - added missing informative reference to [RFC3712]. --089e0111c1ca5196cb04f3a55d1c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Based on IETF Ap= ps Area review by Alexey Melnikov.

I've just posted a new = draft of LDAP Schema for Printer Services to:

=A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp= /wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-06-20140303.txt
=A0- plaintext Internet-Draft format (warning - contains explicit formfeed= characters)

=A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd= /draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-06-20140303.pdf
=A0- line numbered PDF of plaintext - use this version for review, please<= br>
This document *will be* submitted to the IET= F I-D repository tomorrow,
when the I-D submission blackout for IE= TF 89 ends.=A0 Minor typos from
the I-D Nits tool may be corrected tomorrow morning (in the PWG FTP
repository versions as well).

This document was created by revising the original = LDAP Schem= a for
Printer= Services [RFC3712].

Cheers,
- Ira

---------------------------------------

=
Change History

=A0= =A0 3 March 2014 - draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-06.txt
=A0=A0 =A0=A0 Seventh draft - for IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
=A0=A0 Global - updated publication and expiration dates in copyright,
= =A0=A0 header, footer, and boilerplate.=A0
=A0=A0 Global - replaced = 9;SHOULD not' w/ 'SHOULD NOT' for RFC 2911
=A0=A0 compliance= , per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised Abstract and section 1 Introduction to clarify=A0=A0 that this document is an individual submission to the IETF by the = IPP
=A0=A0 WG of the IEEE-ISTO PWG, per Tom Petch and IPP WG review.=A0 =
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised Abstract and section 1 Introduction to clari= fy
=A0=A0 that this document obsoletes [RFC3712], per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
= =A0=A0 Editorial - added section 1.1 'Relationship to SLP Printer Servi= ce'
=A0=A0 and section 1.2 'Source of LDAP Printer Attributes= 9; for clarity.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - added section 1.3 'Sources of LDAP Printer Schema OI= Ds'
=A0=A0 to describe permanent delegation of "1.3.18.0.2.24.4= 6" to the
=A0=A0 IEEE-ISTO PWG by IBM in October 2011, per Alexey M= elnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - added section 1.4 'Rationale for Design Choices'= for
=A0=A0 clarity.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised sections 3.1, 3.4= , 3.5, and 3.6 to delete
=A0=A0 erroneous SHOULD references to structura= l classes, per Alexey
=A0=A0 Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised section 4 to clarify ref= erence to section 4 of
=A0=A0 [RFC4517] and forward reference to section= 6 of LDAP Printer Schema,
=A0=A0 per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Ed= itorial - revised section 4 to add implementation note about
=A0=A0 compatibility with existing implementations of [RFC3712] and
=A0= =A0 underlying string length limits in [RFC2707], [RFC2911], [RFC3805],
= =A0=A0 [PWG5107.2], [PWG5100.13], and [PWG5100.14], per Alexey Melnikov.=A0=
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised section 4.4 to change SHOULD to MUST for =A0=A0 conformance to [BCP47] for natural language tags, per Alexey
=A0= =A0 Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised section 4.4 printer-natural= -language-configured
=A0=A0 and section 4.13 printer-generated-natural-l= anguage-supported
=A0=A0 definitions to clarify that they refer to LDAP Printer in syntax
= =A0=A0 DirectoryString (UTF-8), per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editoria= l - revised section 4.11 printer-charset-configured and
=A0=A0 section 4= .12 printer-charset-supported definitions to clarify that
=A0=A0 they refer to IPP protocol values and that corresponding LDAP Printe= r
=A0=A0 attributes are always in syntax DirectoryString (UTF-8), per Al= exey
=A0=A0 Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised section 4.20 pri= nter-number-up-supported and
=A0=A0 section 4.35 printer-device-id definitions to add missing
=A0=A0 = SINGLE-VALUE clause, per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised= section 4.35 printer-device-id to delete
=A0=A0 confusing and redundant= note about ordering of key/value pairs within
=A0=A0 LDAP attribute values (since this is clearly explained in
=A0=A0 = [PWG5107.2]), per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised sectio= n 4 syntaxes of printer-uri,
=A0=A0 printer-xri-supported, printer-name,=
=A0=A0 printer-natural-language-configured, printer-location, printer-i= nfo,
=A0=A0 printer-more-info, printer-make-and-model,
=A0=A0 printer-ipp-ver= sions-supported, printer-charset-configured,
=A0=A0 printer-charset-supp= orted,
=A0=A0 printer-generated-natural-language-supported,
=A0=A0 pr= inter-document-format-supported, printer-compression-supported,
=A0=A0 printer-finishings-supported, printer-sides-supported,
=A0=A0 pri= nter-media-supported, printer-media-local-supported,
=A0=A0 printer-reso= lution-supported, printer-current-operator,
=A0=A0 printer-service-perso= n, printer-delivery-orientation-supported,
=A0=A0 printer-stacking-order-supported, printer-output-features-supported,=
=A0=A0 printer-aliases, printer-device-id, printer-uuid,
=A0=A0 pri= nter-charge-info, printer-charge-info-uri, printer-geo-location,
=A0=A0 = printer-ipp-features-supported, to remove length restrictions in
=A0=A0 syntax and add textual notes instead about IPP compatibility (where<= br>=A0=A0 applicable), per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - added= appendix A 'Changes since RFC 3712', per Alexey
=A0=A0 Melnikov= .=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - added missing informative reference to [RFC3712= ].=A0
--089e0111c1ca5196cb04f3a55d1c-- --===============1333191026== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============1333191026==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sun Mar 2 12:47:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844EF1A0AE3 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 12:47:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.335 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.335 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hsrZJqPrrtV1 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 12:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EC41A0ADE for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 12:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1E0868B; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 21:07:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-ig0-x231.google.com (mail-ig0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::231]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1357285BD for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 21:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f177.google.com with SMTP id ur14so438970igb.4 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 12:46:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=itUGcNxP3B8EBLooltdEfUlEekmj0e3eYlK/NGm64As=; b=w4Nqj5AjfMdykZWlDt4ikF1RSxFFn8uR1plWdJU6ScVaYXFEqyvF+gai4TfVTugScT vl87Vleb6visMaU3taSyoZhW6ss/O1qgc7iUmFKkxrwWw+rQ51zhpw9qweEAWJxN/0RP mi4n2TFspNh1MdCSxasWT0kaL5aVoyxsJX+6MjWcZUZ0JZtkBgcMBNCOqW8+a558L25k osk4eSfxgq2xHFGG6nLheGz2ztq6854B8QGHJAKtBi7aD7ZHK0r/3iwjagRwVz8RRob4 XoSi6D9ULpgAkrjNgS+fAZcI1T7KDAs682e27bLxgn+tbyuIDRqxKpSl27zmj5DYcBOs //Hw== X-Received: by 10.50.66.136 with SMTP id f8mr18597156igt.18.1393793218256; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 12:46:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.184.133 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 12:46:38 -0800 (PST) From: Ira McDonald Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 15:46:38 -0500 Message-ID: To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Subject: [IPP] IPP Agenda - 3-5pm US Eastern 3 March 2014 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2141332127==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============2141332127== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdca620aa236e04f3a5c55b --047d7bdca620aa236e04f3a5c55b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Our next IPP WG call will be Monday 3 March 12-2pm US Pacific / 3-5pm US Eastern Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) NOTE: Please do NOT use the Webex audio bridge feature - instead use the regular PWG conference bridge above! ------------------------------------------------------- Meeting information ------------------------------------------------------- Topic: IPP/Cloud WG Date: Every Monday, from Monday, September 23, 2013 to no end date Time: 3:00 pm, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00) Meeting Number: 682 763 393 Meeting Password: Printing123 ------------------------------------------------------- To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?ED=152699422&UID=1183762537&PW=NYTM5NTNhNjUy&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123 4. Click "Join". To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?ED=152699422&UID=1183762537&PW=NYTM5NTNhNjUy&ORT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D ------------------------------------------------------- For assistance ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/mc 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support". ------------------------------------------------------- Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker - Mike as minute taker? (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20140127.pdf - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20140205.pdf (3) Status of various IPP documents (Ira/Mike) * IPP Self-Certification (Mike) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20131014-rev.pdf -- ready for Prototype draft? -- ready for live PWG web support by end-of-March? * IPP Shared Infrastructure Extensions (Mike) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20140226-rev.pdf -- Prototoype draft -- waiting for prototype reports * IPP Scan Service (Pete Zehler) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140127-rev.pdf -- ready for Prototype draft? * IPP Implementor's Guide v2.0 (Smith) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140124-rev.pdf -- ready for Prototype draft? * IPP Finishings v2.0 (Mike) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140116-rev.pdf -- Ira/Mike still need to cross-check w/ Finisher MIB (RFC 3805) -- ready for Prototype draft? (4) Review of IETF IPP over HTTPS Binding and 'ipps' URI Scheme (Ira) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp /wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-09-20131105.pdf - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/017896.html -- completed edits in response to IETF Apps Area review by Tom Petch -- discuss HP comments on 28 February -- ready for final IETF Apps Area WG review and IETF Last Call? (5) Review of LDAP Printer Schema (Ira) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-06-20140303.pdf -- completed edits in response to IETF Apps Area review by Alexey Melnikov -- ready for final IETF Apps Area WG review and IETF Last Call? (6) Next steps - IPP WG on Monday 17 March 2014 - IPP WG on Monday 31 March 2014 Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 --047d7bdca620aa236e04f3a5c55b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Our next IPP WG call will be = Monday 3 March 12-2pm US Pacific / 3-5pm US Eastern

Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

Attendee A= ccess Code: *******#
Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

NOTE:=A0 Pl= ease do NOT use the Webex audio bridge feature - instead use
the regular PWG conference bridge above!

----------------= ---------------------------------------
Meeting information
----------------------------------------------------= ---
Topic: IPP/Cloud WG
= Date: Every Monday, from Monday, September 23, 2013 to no end date
Time:= 3:00 pm, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)
Meeting Number: 682 763 393
Meeting Password: Printing123
------------------------------------------= -------------
To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)
------------------= -------------------------------------
1. Go to https://ieee-isto.we= bex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?ED=3D152699422&UID=3D1183762537&PW=3DNYTM5N= TNhNjUy&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D
2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a password is = required, enter the meeting password: Printing123
4. Click "Join&qu= ot;.
To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?ED=3D152699422&UID=3D= 1183762537&PW=3DNYTM5NTNhNjUy&ORT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D
-------------------------------------------------------
For assistance-------------------------------------------------------
1. Go to https://i= eee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/mc
2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".
-------------------------------------------------------

= Agenda=
:
(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
- Mike as minute taker?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-c= oncall-minutes-20140127.pdf
- ftp://ftp.pwg.= org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20140205.pdf

(3) Status of various IPP document= s (Ira/Mike)
* IPP Self-Certification (Mike)
= - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd= -ippeveselfcert10-20131014-rev.pdf
-- ready for Prototype draft?
-- ready for live PWG web support by end-o= f-March?

* IPP Shared Infrastructure Extensions (Mike)<= br> - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20140226-re= v.pdf
-- Prototoype draft
-- waiting for prototype reports

<= /div>
-- ready for Prototype draft?

* IPP Implemen= tor's Guide v2.0 (Smith)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg= /ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140124-rev.pdf
-- ready for Prototype draft?

* IPP Finishi= ngs v2.0 (Mike)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/= wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140116-rev.pdf
-- Ira/Mike still need to cross-check w/ Finisher MIB (RFC 3805)=
-- ready for Prototype draft?

(4) Re= view of IETF IPP over HTTPS Binding and &#= 39;ipps' URI Scheme (Ira)
- http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/017896.html
-- completed edits in response to IETF Apps Area review by Tom Petch
-- discuss HP comments on 28 February
-- ready for final IETF Apps= Area WG review and IETF Last Call?

(5= ) Review of LDAP Printer Schema (Ira)
-- completed edits in response to=A0 IETF Apps Area review by Alexey Melnik= ov
-- ready for final IETF Apps Area WG review and I= ETF Last Call?

(6) Next steps
- IPP WG on Monday 17 March 2014
- IPP WG on Monday 31 March = 2014

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Tru= sted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer = Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
= IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High No= rth Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic=
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:
bluero= ofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0= 734-944-0094
Summer=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-= 2434

--047d7bdca620aa236e04f3a5c55b-- --===============2141332127== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============2141332127==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 3 06:12:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D751A007D for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 06:12:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.047 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.047 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Udmb7zCC03fH for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 06:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4436D1A0079 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 06:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F4F86B5; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 14:32:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: IPP@pwg.org Delivered-To: IPP@pwg.org Received: from USA7109MR001.ACS-INC.COM (usa7109mr001.acs-inc.com [63.101.151.9]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B2D0832A for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 14:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from usa7109ht002.na.xerox.net ([13.41.230.32]) by USA7109MR001.ACS-INC.COM with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 03 Mar 2014 08:10:15 -0600 Received: from USA7109MB004.na.xerox.net ([169.254.4.112]) by USA7109HT002.na.xerox.net ([13.41.230.32]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:10:13 -0600 From: "Zehler, Peter" To: "IPP@pwg.org" Thread-Topic: Prototype version of IPP Scan Service specification available Thread-Index: Ac826kr8e8sDBZQpReazwhFVzF6PtA== Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 14:10:12 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [13.41.230.92] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [IPP] Prototype version of IPP Scan Service specification available X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0393556319==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0393556319== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_A4DE324D317E4F40A82CF077C7A9E1E34D7EA1USA7109MB004naxer_" --_000_A4DE324D317E4F40A82CF077C7A9E1E34D7EA1USA7109MB004naxer_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, I have posted the prototype version of "IPP Scan Service. Send any comment= s to the IPP mail list. We are looking for companies interested in prototy= ping this specification ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.pdf http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.docx http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.docx ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.pdf http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.docx http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.docx Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 --_000_A4DE324D317E4F40A82CF077C7A9E1E34D7EA1USA7109MB004naxer_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

I have posted the prototype version of “IPP Sc= an Service.  Send any comments to the IPP mail list.  We are look= ing for companies interested in prototyping this specification

 

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/= ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.pdf  

http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pw= g/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.pdf  

 

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg= /ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.docx  

http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/p= wg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.docx  

 

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/= pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.pdf  

http://ftp.pwg.org/pu= b/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.pdf

 =

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub= /pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.docx   

http://ftp.pwg.org/p= ub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.docx  

 

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com=
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

 

--_000_A4DE324D317E4F40A82CF077C7A9E1E34D7EA1USA7109MB004naxer_-- --===============0393556319== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============0393556319==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 3 08:19:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BC31A01E4 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:19:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.335 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.335 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Bu1aojcxijM for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710E41A01E0 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D2285BD; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 16:39:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-ie0-x22e.google.com (mail-ie0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22e]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8813B832A for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 16:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f174.google.com with SMTP id rp18so6312849iec.33 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 08:19:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=9pFu20KchovEmWgySxrWALi7pmEORipvkqSu3N9Hkh4=; b=kZMI/i+7SkE/o8S9t+kredqyNPNi2H4+tUknb53No2+YdHeWzfZlPD9pVLipwrN5fZ SInXXswV4CD36rE02vpDUEWxNT4V6pqXY5YI3eJwUIYrA7hth2OpQpFB0bxFmf5Wsf9W cJ11rrcoei8qtbbqBo6GH7jyG9KuvnVLkD88lwQe6zKtmcRhxzXjcOs24j79lRkJc9GA xbWO98UIsdHJrLQ6mgr7PR2BXdeMdB/TR2TPzJOnb9Lo4KWmMTJxbSvseRN9fi7n/UYz brhtZWZV14Rl8MGebtp3w87Mtj5+Lv6z5aPFwjRU8PWUhSjR6PnxSiBst8eiWOgknhNA kPAQ== X-Received: by 10.43.46.2 with SMTP id um2mr27373768icb.46.1393863565937; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 08:19:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.184.133 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:19:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ira McDonald Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 11:19:05 -0500 Message-ID: To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Subject: Re: [IPP] Posted LDAP Printer Schema (3 March 2013) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0131689294==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0131689294== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5299bedb6f1ba04f3b62685 --bcaec5299bedb6f1ba04f3b62685 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, The plaintext I-D was submitted successfully to the I-D Editor without having to correct any typos. So the line-numbered PDF agrees exactly with the I-D Repository. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi, > > Based on IETF Apps Area review by Alexey Melnikov. > > I've just posted a new draft of LDAP Schema for Printer Services to: > > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-06-20140303.txt > - plaintext Internet-Draft format (warning - contains explicit formfeed > characters) > > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-06-20140303.pdf > - line numbered PDF of plaintext - use this version for review, please > > This document *will be* submitted to the IETF I-D repository tomorrow, > when the I-D submission blackout for IETF 89 ends. Minor typos from > the I-D Nits tool may be corrected tomorrow morning (in the PWG FTP > repository versions as well). > > This document was created by revising the original LDAP Schema for > Printer Services [RFC3712]. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > --------------------------------------- > > Change History > > 3 March 2014 - draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-06.txt > > Seventh draft - for IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG > Global - updated publication and expiration dates in copyright, > header, footer, and boilerplate. > Global - replaced 'SHOULD not' w/ 'SHOULD NOT' for RFC 2911 > compliance, per Alexey Melnikov. > Editorial - revised Abstract and section 1 Introduction to clarify > that this document is an individual submission to the IETF by the IPP > WG of the IEEE-ISTO PWG, per Tom Petch and IPP WG review. > Editorial - revised Abstract and section 1 Introduction to clarify > that this document obsoletes [RFC3712], per Alexey Melnikov. > Editorial - added section 1.1 'Relationship to SLP Printer Service' > and section 1.2 'Source of LDAP Printer Attributes' for clarity. > Editorial - added section 1.3 'Sources of LDAP Printer Schema OIDs' > to describe permanent delegation of "1.3.18.0.2.24.46" to the > IEEE-ISTO PWG by IBM in October 2011, per Alexey Melnikov. > Editorial - added section 1.4 'Rationale for Design Choices' for > clarity. > Editorial - revised sections 3.1, 3.4, 3.5, and 3.6 to delete > erroneous SHOULD references to structural classes, per Alexey > Melnikov. > Editorial - revised section 4 to clarify reference to section 4 of > [RFC4517] and forward reference to section 6 of LDAP Printer Schema, > per Alexey Melnikov. > Editorial - revised section 4 to add implementation note about > compatibility with existing implementations of [RFC3712] and > underlying string length limits in [RFC2707], [RFC2911], [RFC3805], > [PWG5107.2], [PWG5100.13], and [PWG5100.14], per Alexey Melnikov. > Editorial - revised section 4.4 to change SHOULD to MUST for > conformance to [BCP47] for natural language tags, per Alexey > Melnikov. > Editorial - revised section 4.4 printer-natural-language-configured > and section 4.13 printer-generated-natural-language-supported > definitions to clarify that they refer to LDAP Printer in syntax > DirectoryString (UTF-8), per Alexey Melnikov. > Editorial - revised section 4.11 printer-charset-configured and > section 4.12 printer-charset-supported definitions to clarify that > they refer to IPP protocol values and that corresponding LDAP Printer > attributes are always in syntax DirectoryString (UTF-8), per Alexey > Melnikov. > Editorial - revised section 4.20 printer-number-up-supported and > section 4.35 printer-device-id definitions to add missing > SINGLE-VALUE clause, per Alexey Melnikov. > Editorial - revised section 4.35 printer-device-id to delete > confusing and redundant note about ordering of key/value pairs within > LDAP attribute values (since this is clearly explained in > [PWG5107.2]), per Alexey Melnikov. > Editorial - revised section 4 syntaxes of printer-uri, > printer-xri-supported, printer-name, > printer-natural-language-configured, printer-location, printer-info, > printer-more-info, printer-make-and-model, > printer-ipp-versions-supported, printer-charset-configured, > printer-charset-supported, > printer-generated-natural-language-supported, > printer-document-format-supported, printer-compression-supported, > printer-finishings-supported, printer-sides-supported, > printer-media-supported, printer-media-local-supported, > printer-resolution-supported, printer-current-operator, > printer-service-person, printer-delivery-orientation-supported, > printer-stacking-order-supported, printer-output-features-supported, > printer-aliases, printer-device-id, printer-uuid, > printer-charge-info, printer-charge-info-uri, printer-geo-location, > printer-ipp-features-supported, to remove length restrictions in > syntax and add textual notes instead about IPP compatibility (where > applicable), per Alexey Melnikov. > Editorial - added appendix A 'Changes since RFC 3712', per Alexey > Melnikov. > Editorial - added missing informative reference to [RFC3712]. > --bcaec5299bedb6f1ba04f3b62685 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

The plaintext I-D was= submitted successfully to the I-D Editor without having
to correct any = typos.=A0 So the line-numbered PDF agrees exactly with the I-D
Rep= ository.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Arc= hitect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Fo= undation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int= ernet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MI= B
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http:= //sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto: blue= roofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Ira McDo= nald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Based on IETF Ap= ps Area review by Alexey Melnikov.

I've just posted a new = draft of LDAP Schema for Printer Services to:

=A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp= /wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-06-20140303.txt
=A0- plaintext Internet-Draft format (warning - contains explicit formfeed= characters)

=A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd= /draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-06-20140303.pdf
=A0- line numbered PDF of plaintext - use this version for review, please<= br>
This document *will be* submitted to the IETF I-D repos= itory tomorrow,
when the I-D submission blackout for IETF 89 ends.= =A0 Minor typos from
the I-D Nits tool may be corrected tomorrow morning (in the PWG FTP
repository versions as well).

This document was created by revising the original = LDAP Schema for
<= span>Printer Ser= vices [RFC3712].

Cheers,
- Ira

---------------------------------------

=
Change History

=A0= =A0 3 March 2014 - draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-06.txt
=A0=A0 =A0=A0 Seventh draft - for IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
=A0=A0 Global - updated publication and expiration dates in copyright,
= =A0=A0 header, footer, and boilerplate.=A0
=A0=A0 Global - replaced = 9;SHOULD not' w/ 'SHOULD NOT' for RFC 2911
=A0=A0 compliance= , per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised Abstract and section 1 Introduction to clarify=A0=A0 that this document is an individual submission to the IETF by the = IPP
=A0=A0 WG of the IEEE-ISTO PWG, per Tom Petch and IPP WG review.=A0 =
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised Abstract and section 1 Introduction to clari= fy
=A0=A0 that this document obsoletes [RFC3712], per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
= =A0=A0 Editorial - added section 1.1 'Relationship to SLP Printer Servi= ce'
=A0=A0 and section 1.2 'Source of LDAP Printer Attributes= 9; for clarity.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - added section 1.3 'Sources of LDAP Printer Schema OI= Ds'
=A0=A0 to describe permanent delegation of "1.3.18.0.2.24.4= 6" to the
=A0=A0 IEEE-ISTO PWG by IBM in October 2011, per Alexey M= elnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - added section 1.4 'Rationale for Design Choices'= for
=A0=A0 clarity.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised sections 3.1, 3.4= , 3.5, and 3.6 to delete
=A0=A0 erroneous SHOULD references to structura= l classes, per Alexey
=A0=A0 Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised section 4 to clarify ref= erence to section 4 of
=A0=A0 [RFC4517] and forward reference to section= 6 of LDAP Printer Schema,
=A0=A0 per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Ed= itorial - revised section 4 to add implementation note about
=A0=A0 compatibility with existing implementations of [RFC3712] and
=A0= =A0 underlying string length limits in [RFC2707], [RFC2911], [RFC3805],
= =A0=A0 [PWG5107.2], [PWG5100.13], and [PWG5100.14], per Alexey Melnikov.=A0=
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised section 4.4 to change SHOULD to MUST for =A0=A0 conformance to [BCP47] for natural language tags, per Alexey
=A0= =A0 Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised section 4.4 printer-natural= -language-configured
=A0=A0 and section 4.13 printer-generated-natural-l= anguage-supported
=A0=A0 definitions to clarify that they refer to LDAP Printer in syntax
= =A0=A0 DirectoryString (UTF-8), per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editoria= l - revised section 4.11 printer-charset-configured and
=A0=A0 section 4= .12 printer-charset-supported definitions to clarify that
=A0=A0 they refer to IPP protocol values and that corresponding LDAP Printe= r
=A0=A0 attributes are always in syntax DirectoryString (UTF-8), per Al= exey
=A0=A0 Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised section 4.20 pri= nter-number-up-supported and
=A0=A0 section 4.35 printer-device-id definitions to add missing
=A0=A0 = SINGLE-VALUE clause, per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised= section 4.35 printer-device-id to delete
=A0=A0 confusing and redundant= note about ordering of key/value pairs within
=A0=A0 LDAP attribute values (since this is clearly explained in
=A0=A0 = [PWG5107.2]), per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised sectio= n 4 syntaxes of printer-uri,
=A0=A0 printer-xri-supported, printer-name,=
=A0=A0 printer-natural-language-configured, printer-location, printer-i= nfo,
=A0=A0 printer-more-info, printer-make-and-model,
=A0=A0 printer-ipp-ver= sions-supported, printer-charset-configured,
=A0=A0 printer-charset-supp= orted,
=A0=A0 printer-generated-natural-language-supported,
=A0=A0 pr= inter-document-format-supported, printer-compression-supported,
=A0=A0 printer-finishings-supported, printer-sides-supported,
=A0=A0 pri= nter-media-supported, printer-media-local-supported,
=A0=A0 printer-reso= lution-supported, printer-current-operator,
=A0=A0 printer-service-perso= n, printer-delivery-orientation-supported,
=A0=A0 printer-stacking-order-supported, printer-output-features-supported,=
=A0=A0 printer-aliases, printer-device-id, printer-uuid,
=A0=A0 pri= nter-charge-info, printer-charge-info-uri, printer-geo-location,
=A0=A0 = printer-ipp-features-supported, to remove length restrictions in
=A0=A0 syntax and add textual notes instead about IPP compatibility (where<= br>=A0=A0 applicable), per Alexey Melnikov.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - added= appendix A 'Changes since RFC 3712', per Alexey
=A0=A0 Melnikov= .=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - added missing informative reference to [RFC3712= ].=A0

--bcaec5299bedb6f1ba04f3b62685-- --===============0131689294== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============0131689294==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 3 08:34:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9E71A026B for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:34:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.907 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.907 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.428, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ob6fvfGRD402 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDEF1A0239 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CED385BD; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 16:54:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-ig0-x22e.google.com (mail-ig0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22e]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57EE5832A for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 16:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f174.google.com with SMTP id h18so8072348igc.1 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 08:34:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=nRf/27Es/cogEG4SPzhn4nKejzl/th+nev3SH+Q05NY=; b=XYAkDHpWGccahUjRHpH1hW/F5GF/WlbWH+Jqec4I99/qMMfqSUvyWk1xKE/MY2jXsV cKmgarPILsZWlqjym3VJCK50wzbUnGqSr566EMY/I8HKkgLqUqHK89gAATmQxXCcR1AR NGWMdI7qW0wInGfhtNA4X39mX23Pwr/4Xavnjr6D4MAkEYo0URxtJ1LepDH6pMWcbpLK Kmc6UOew73gxe97NbnPzDOMS7lEoG88PeUk5qSedHuredvluNrhaAQjtz9FfGhATnQb5 qcHI3xlCfUfxUq6d8LH+6TM1aficFtn6aSxR9j88MXQ7NQNgeJBgC7Sz6o+MwY4pVscc 7kMQ== X-Received: by 10.50.50.241 with SMTP id f17mr22999390igo.23.1393864450176; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 08:34:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.184.133 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:33:49 -0800 (PST) From: Ira McDonald Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 11:33:49 -0500 Message-ID: To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=047d7bd6bdfc6b102104f3b65bdc Subject: [IPP] [Mike/Smith] ipps port scheme X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --047d7bd6bdfc6b102104f3b65bdc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6bdfc6b101e04f3b65bda --047d7bd6bdfc6b101e04f3b65bda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Below is Mike's reply to Smith about the CUPS approach to "sniffing" incoming connections (for TLS Client Hello versus HTTP requests). Cheers, - Ira ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Sweet Date: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:14 AM Subject: Re: ipps port scheme To: "Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)" Cc: Ira McDonald [Apologies if this is my second response to this; I seem to remember replying but can't find a copy of it...] Smith, CUPS has a simple check for a valid HTTP DELETE/GET/HEAD/OPTIONS/POST/PUT/TRACE request line after we accept a connection. This is the same strategy that the Samba project uses, BTW... The code in question is: #ifdef HAVE_SSL if (con->auto_ssl) { /* * Automatically check for a SSL/TLS handshake... */ con->auto_ssl = 0; if (recv(httpGetFd(con->http), buf, 1, MSG_PEEK) == 1 && (!buf[0] || !strchr("DGHOPT", buf[0]))) { /* * Encrypt this connection... */ cupsdLogClient(con, CUPSD_LOG_DEBUG2, "Saw first byte %02X, auto-negotiating " "SSL/TLS session.", buf[0] & 255); if (cupsd_start_tls(con, HTTP_ENCRYPTION_ALWAYS)) cupsdCloseClient(con); return; } } #endif /* HAVE_SSL */ A more "complete" implementation might actually look for an SSL or TLS ClientHello header (the first several bytes are fairly stable), but at the time I felt that a) it was more likely that the TLS header would change than the HTTP header and b) the SSL libraries are better capable of validating the ClientHello than we are. Also, the above code does not support non-conforming HTTP clients that send anything other than a HTTP request line or TLS ClientHello. Sending whitespace or other non-conforming crap is explicitly not supported and, in all the years that CUPS has been around, never been necessary to interoperate with any web browser or IPP client. On Feb 27, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: Hi there, Some of our firmware folks have been thrashing with how to support connections for both "ipp:" (conventional IPP) and "ipps:" (IPP over TLS) with one listener on port 631, as described in "IPP over HTTPS and 'ipps' URI Scheme". I am not involved with this at all, but I thought I would pass this on and see if there were any recommendations you could offer as far as how this would be done, using BSD sockets. I don't know if there are boilerplate examples of how to do this generally on the web, but I will search for that as well. If there was some way to provide an example of that in an annex to this document such an addition could be useful to get people past their skepticism. I've got some feedback on the "IPP over HTTPS and 'ipps' URI Scheme" spec as well, that came out of this. I will post that feedback to the reflector for the sake of posterity. Thanks for any help! Smith /** Smith Kennedy ATB Wireless Architect - PPS Hewlett-Packard Co. */ Begin forwarded message: in typical BSD socket working with openssl, FW performs a SSL_accept() immediately after the BSD accept(). There is no parsing/voting mechanism to detect the nature of the incoming data. It is how https works. If 'ipps' uses the same port as 'ipp', it can't use the same connection and ssl negotiation pattern than https. So a few questions come to mind: 1. Does ipps mean that first bytes of data exchanged between client and server are SSL packets? 2. Or does it mean that the first exchange is plaintext http traffic but the two parties can negotiate a 'HTTP 101 Upgrade: TLS' later? If #1, how does ipp advertise #2? Let me just say that if ipp rely on a preparsing/voting mechanism often leads to complexity. Best case scenario is: if the first 4 bytes are ascii 'POST' then http else ssl. However, this is never this easy, in fact our current http server parses the incoming payload to filter garbage characters (null, white space, tab, etc...). Also, I'm not sure how off-the-shelf stacks (nginx) would handle this pattern. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --047d7bd6bdfc6b101e04f3b65bda Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Below is Mike's r= eply to Smith about the CUPS approach to "sniffing"
inco= ming connections (for TLS Client Hello versus HTTP requests).

Cheers,
- Ira

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: ipps port scheme
To: &= quot;Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)" <smith.kennedy@hp.com>
Cc: Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>


[Apologies if this is my s= econd response to this; I seem to remember replying but can't find a co= py of it...]

Smith,

CUPS has a simpl= e check for a valid HTTP DELETE/GET/HEAD/OPTIONS/POST/PUT/TRACE request lin= e after we accept a connection. This is the same strategy that the Samba pr= oject uses, BTW... The code in question is:

  #ifdef HAVE_SSL
    if = (con->auto_ssl)
    {
     = /*
      * Automatically check for a SSL/TLS hands= hake...
      */

      con->auto_ssl =3D 0;

 = ;     if (recv(httpGetFd(con->http), buf, 1, MSG_PEEK) =3D=3D = 1 &&
          (!buf[0] || !strc= hr("DGHOPT", buf[0])))
      {
       /*
        * Encry= pt this connection...
        */
        cupsdLogClient(con, CUPSD_LOG_DEBU= G2,
                 = ;      "Saw first byte %02X, auto-negotiating "
      &nbs= p;  "SSL/TLS session.", buf[0] & 255);

        if (cupsd_start_tls(con, HTTP_ENCRYPTIO= N_ALWAYS))
          cupsdCloseClient(co= n);

        return;
  &n= bsp;   }
    }
  #endif /* HAVE_SSL= */

A more "complete" implementati= on might actually look for an SSL or TLS ClientHello header (the first seve= ral bytes are fairly stable), but at the time I felt that a) it was more li= kely that the TLS header would change than the HTTP header and b) the SSL l= ibraries are better capable of validating the ClientHello than we are.

Also, the above code does not support non-conforming HT= TP clients that send anything other than a HTTP request line or TLS ClientH= ello.  Sending whitespace or other non-conforming crap is explicitly n= ot supported and, in all the years that CUPS has been around, never been ne= cessary to interoperate with any web browser or IPP client.


On Feb = 27, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> w= rote:

Hi there,=

Some of our firmware folks have been thrashing with how= to support connections for both “ipp:” (conventional IPP) and = “ipps:” (IPP over TLS) with one listener on port 631, as descri= bed in “IPP over HTTPS and ’ipps’ URI Scheme”. &nbs= p;I am not involved with this at all, but I thought I would pass this on an= d see if there were any recommendations you could offer as far as how this = would be done, using BSD sockets.  I don’t know if there are boi= lerplate examples of how to do this generally on the web, but I will search= for that as well.  If there was some way to provide an example of tha= t in an annex to this document such an addition could be useful to get peop= le past their skepticism.

I’ve got some feedback on the “IPP over HTT= PS and ’ipps’ URI Scheme” spec as well, that came out of = this.  I will post that feedback to the reflector for the sake of post= erity.

Thanks for any help!

Smith

/**
    Smith Kennedy
    ATB Wirele= ss Architect - PPS
    Hewlett-Packard Co.
*/



Begin forwarded message:

<= div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times = New Roman',serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:norm= al;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0p= x;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">  in typical BSD socket working with openssl, FW p= erforms a SSL_accept() immediately after the BSD accept(). There is no pars= ing/voting mechanism to detect the nature of the incoming data.
It is how https works.
 
If ‘ipps’ uses the same port as ‘ipp’, it c= an’t use the same connection and ssl negotiation pattern than https. = So a few questions come to mind:
1.       Does ipps mean that first bytes of data exchanged betwee= n client and server are SSL packets?
2.       Or does it mean that the first exchange is plaintext htt= p traffic but the two parties can negotiate a ‘HTTP 101 Upgrade: TLS&= rsquo; later?
 
If #1, how does ipp advertise #2?
 
Let me just say that if ipp rely on a preparsing/voting mechanism o= ften leads to complexity. Best case scenario is: if the first 4 bytes are a= scii ‘POST’ then http else ssl. However, this is never this eas= y, in fact our current http server parses the incoming payload to filter ga= rbage characters (null, white space, tab, etc…).
Also, I’m not sure how off-the-shelf stacks (nginx) would han= dle this pattern.


_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --047d7bd6bdfc6b102104f3b65bdc-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 3 08:41:04 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027B51A01E4 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:41:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.335 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.335 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 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ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1625950033== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1136b35a385a5604f3b6724b --001a1136b35a385a5604f3b6724b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Very mature I-D (14 drafts) on an IETF YANG data model for system management - both properties and operations covered are of interest to IDS and IPP System Control Service. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Adam Montville Date: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:30 AM Subject: [sacm] NETMOD draft-ietf-netmod-system-management review To: sacm@ietf.org All: It may be beneficial to review this system management doc if you find the time: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-system-mgmt/ Sorry to miss those of you who are in London. Adam _______________________________________________ sacm mailing list sacm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm --001a1136b35a385a5604f3b6724b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Very mature I-D (14 d= rafts) on an IETF YANG data model for
system management - both pro= perties and operations covered
are of interest to IDS and IPP System Con= trol Service.

Cheers,
- Ira

<= div>
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
C= o-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Ope= n Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int= ernet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MI= B
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http:= //sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto: blue= roofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



---------- Forwarded message ----------<= br>From: Adam Montville <adam@stoicsecurity.com&g= t;
Date: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:30 AM
Subject: [sacm] NETMOD draft-ietf-net= mod-system-management review
To: sacm@i= etf.org


All:

It may be beneficial to review this system management doc if you find the t= ime: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-sy= stem-mgmt/

Sorry to miss those of you who are in London.

Adam
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--001a1136b35a385a5604f3b6724b-- --===============1625950033== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============1625950033==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 3 09:03:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B521A0258 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 09:03:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.335 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.335 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I3NZCk-lVkL0 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 09:03:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B61C1A0231 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 09:03:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028BB8A7A; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:24:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-ie0-x230.google.com (mail-ie0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::230]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 532F485BD; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id rd18so4319456iec.7 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 09:03:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=DeMBG+gMqXl92m5gaHm5Hrbymyw2iiBaguWSYB+HmyM=; b=rt0cBShoszWKwSF+Ct5ULPdzazjMdY1bJ4Ged52c4mNHuFWTm/oKW6MfhaT/y5HQdN alTf81pgF9kl1vp7BexEjUxJCzl5anSBcI7Nd8l3J5qw50hTKyO8JKcmQxBv+d0Syptm aaPJyyCviVMTZJ/TV7NxbyBN1A/N19VJyTawuVpKlXGrKC8WFzyf/OGEa+nWRMxEXhwA c/MOC0CLa0MViskjK4CRrg049whGcuNTRRuZPPBeWpT4cdXbBpEbMWSv9EuLSuIi+WcQ JAY+4/Pt8+5FgGsbCwOSHXVm8WiM5RXQvFo/gUl1yiqHkIXqIeV6EC7ehnzbiGJLyc7W INJA== X-Received: by 10.50.66.136 with SMTP id f8mr23718510igt.18.1393866226765; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 09:03:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.184.133 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 09:03:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ira McDonald Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 12:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: To: "ids@pwg.org" , "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Subject: Re: [IPP] Heads up - NETMOD draft-ietf-netmod-system-management review X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1760515455==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1760515455== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdca6204f999804f3b6c508 --047d7bdca6204f999804f3b6c508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, BTW - This document is NOW in 10-day IETF Last Call, so please comment ASAP or live with it for some years to come! This document is for NETCONF/NETMOD based system management to replace current SNMPv3 MIB-based system management. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi, > > Very mature I-D (14 drafts) on an IETF YANG data model for > system management - both properties and operations covered > are of interest to IDS and IPP System Control Service. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Adam Montville > Date: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:30 AM > Subject: [sacm] NETMOD draft-ietf-netmod-system-management review > To: sacm@ietf.org > > > All: > > It may be beneficial to review this system management doc if you find the > time: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-system-mgmt/ > > Sorry to miss those of you who are in London. > > Adam > _______________________________________________ > sacm mailing list > sacm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sacm > > --047d7bdca6204f999804f3b6c508 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

BTW - This = document is NOW in 10-day IETF Last Call, so please
comment ASAP o= r live with it for some years to come!=A0 This document
is for NET= CONF/NETMOD based system management to replace
current SNMPv3 MIB-based system management.

Cheers,
<= /div>- Ira


<= div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - = TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer = Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
= IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High No= rth Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic=
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:
bluero= ofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0= 734-944-0094
Summer=A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-= 2434



On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Ira McD= onald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Very mature I-D (14 d= rafts) on an IETF YANG data model for
system management - both pro= perties and operations covered
are of interest to IDS and IPP System Con= trol Service.

Cheers,
- Ira

<= div>
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
C= o-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Ope= n Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int= ernet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MI= B
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http:= //sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto: blue= roofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer=A0= PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



---------- Forwarded message ----------<= br>From: Adam Montville <adam@stoic= security.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:30 AM
Subject: [sacm] NETMOD draft-ietf-net= mod-system-management review
To: sacm@ietf.org


All:

It may be beneficial to review this system management doc if you find the t= ime: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-sy= stem-mgmt/

Sorry to miss those of you who are in London.

Adam
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Was not happy with 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c cuttlefish. 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c cuttlefish was cooked really well, some of 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c most tender I've had in my life, but 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c flavor of 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c sauce it was resting in was such a let down when compared to 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c red bell pepper sauce of 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c dates. Had 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c beef and pork sausage as well that was served with cannelini beans. VERY flavorful, if not a little bit too salty. We had to ask for extra bread to mellow out 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c saltiness of 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c sauce it came with; 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7cn again I would've asked for more bread anyway because 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c bread is amazing! Freshly baked in 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7cir in-house wood-fired oven. Crispy crust with light, airy interior. 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In truth 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7cre may be some refining to be done with some of 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c dishes but I do love what this place represents and am anxious to see 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c food evolve over time. Will have to try 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c flatbread in 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c future, along with more substantial desserts. After our flight arrived in Chicago, we went to Avec for Dinner. We got 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7cre around 10pm on a Thursday night, and were seated right away as it was not too crowded. 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c decor is very modern and sleek. We ordered four plates - 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c chorizo stuffed dates, octopus salad, pork belly and hanger steak. 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c dates and 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c octopus was unlike anything I have ever had. 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c dates were 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c right amount of sweet and savory with an amazing texture. 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c octopus was incredibly tender and tasted very fresh and refreshing, which was perfect after a long day. 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c hanger steak was nicely cooked, but i was not a fan of 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c side/garnish on 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c plate. Plus, 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c accompanying marrow tasted a lot stronger than 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c marrow I have had in 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c past (in a bad way). 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c pork belly was just ok (small amount of pork belly which was overwhelmed by 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c o987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7cr ingredients). I forgot what beers I tried, but definitely a good selection of drinks as well. If i had just had 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c dates and octopus, i would give 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7cm 5 stars, but as I was not so impressed with 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c o987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7cr dishes, I'll give 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7cm 4 stars. Whenever I go back to Chicago, I will definitely be picking up more of those dates! Wow great food, cool decor. I was 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7cre Tuesday 11/2. I came to this restaurant solo and got seated right away... who says you shouldn't eat alone? Big fan of 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c chorizo stuffed dates and 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c apple salad. I make a hell of a chorizo stuffed date and found myself taking a couple notes on how to enhance my recipe. Since it was just me I couldn't try everything, but I assure you I was stuffed by 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c time I left this place. Avec is missing one star for two very good reasons: 1) 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c waiting area sucks! What 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c hell were you guys thinking? It felt like a mosh pit. Ei987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7cr you wait out in 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c cold, get slammed into by 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c door, or are breathing on someone as you who is trying to eat 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7cir dinner. 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7cre is no way not to be in 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c way! It would have been -2 stars but I got seated in 5 minutes. 2) 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c server behind 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c bar was clueless - a brown haired guy who was super inattentive and had a personality like a rock. He needs to be demoted to a bus boy and 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c bus boy who was both attentive and fun to banter with should be 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c server. Management take note. Normally 2 issues = -2 stars, but 987b2010a420176f8389864479673b7c food was that good. 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Service was very unpleasant--I am usually very forgiving about service (e.g. I don't mind delays, etc, as long as a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb person isn't unpleasant)--but I had to deal with a terribly haughty snotty bartender/server a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb whole time. a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb oa2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccbr two people at a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb bar helping us out were very nice, but a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb one server kind of ruined it. Ordered (split between me and 1 oa2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccbr person): Hanger steak Barbequed octopus Mushroom and artichoke small plate (I forget a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb name) Nutter butters Chocolate cocotte Hanger steak was impossible to chew and overwhelmingly salty. Terrible gristly bits. a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb only redeeming thing was a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb fried chickpeas sprinkled around a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb plate, which were a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb only delicious part of a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb meal (though a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccbre were maybe 10 of a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccbm) Barbequed octopus--it was my first time having octopus. Not memorable. a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb person I was eating with, who has had octopus many times, said it was fine but nothing special. Mushroom and artichoke small plate--like a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb steak, a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb mushrooms were tough and rubbery. Also kind of cold. Nutter butters--an okay dessert. if you like peanut butter, a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb flavor is all peanut butter. A kind of gourmet butterfinger-like-thing. Nice idea, but textures weren't all that interesting. One-note. Chocolate cocotte--a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb person I was eating with had this. a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccby liked it, but again, were not terribly impressed. I tried a bite and thought it was good but just kind of a lot of a strong chocolate flavor without any interesting dimensions. a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb kind of chocolatey dessert you get anywhere. And back to a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb awful server---what?? I'm not sure if he was trying to make up for some terrible insecurity based on upholding an image of refinement and casual bearded sophistication that he felt was constantly in danger of slipping away...? Whatever was going on he was really unpleasant to deal with. He snottily recommended against white wine (which a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb person I was eating with wanted), noting "you don't really look like you drink red wine, but what you ordered really calls for red wine" very haughtily. If we decided against recommendations he seemed very judgmental (my dining companion doesn't like cumin, which he kind of narrowed his eyes and nodded at drily). All of a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb things he did (recommending a different wine, etc) could be done kindly and pleasantly, but he seemed like he was trying to make us feel out of place and awkward. a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb oa2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccbr two servers (a kind Black-Beard #2, and a nice quiet water pourer) were pleasant and attentive. Also, a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb atmosphere was not great--really loud, very crowded from people waiting for seats. Hard to move or hear anything. I hear a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccbre are better things on a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb menu--a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb dates, etc. But for this kind of restaurant, everything should be great. Delicious~~ I've tried quartino, girl and a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb goat, and cafe ba ba reeba for tapas in a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb city. Avec is by far a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb best I've had for money and taste wise. Between a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb three of us, we ordered 4 tapas and we couldn't even finish it all. Tried- Chorizo stuffed dates- yes a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccby really are as good as everyone else says a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccby are Hanger Steak- Amazing sauce! Loved it (my favorite dish from a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb night) Pork Shoulder- Very big portion, a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccby were kidding when a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccby put it under a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb large plates Foccacia- mmm truffles, a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb truffle taste was very strong and over powered a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb brie, made it feel like I was just eating a truffle pizza. Yes, a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccbse are communal tables so seats were not so comfortable, but hey might as well get to know your neighbors to make it more comfortable. It was kind of chilly that day so a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccbir doors were closed, but I'm guessing for nicer days a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccby open up a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb doors so a2201df2e1cb8cb2ed16d5b581f22ccb wait area isn't as cramped. We came in around 6p.m on a Friday night and we didn't have to wait much- we actually were just waiting for one person within our party to arrive to be seated. 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Cheers, - Ira ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Matthew Lepinski Date: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:35 AM Subject: [saag] HTTPAUTH @ IETF 89 To: saag@ietf.org Cc: Yoav Nir HTTPAUTH met on Monday at IETF 89. The working group is preparing an update to Basic and Digest authentication. These documents will obsolete RFC 2617. The primary goal of this work is to support non-ASCII (i.e., UTF-8) characters in usernames (and passwords), and to provide hash-function agility for Digest authentication. Work on these documents is progressing well, and we expect to have a working group last call on Digest-bis (and perhaps even both documents) before Toronto in July. In addition to updating Basic and Digest authentication, the group is working on four experimental drafts that specify brand new HTTP-layer authentication mechanisms that have security properties that cannot be obtained via Basic or Digest authentication. At IETF 89 we had focused discussion on issues in the SCRAM (Salted Challenge Response Authentication Mechanism) [draft-ietf-httpauth-scram-auth]. The group is also working on the following experimental mechanisms (which were discussed only briefly at IETF 89): -- Draft-ietf-http-mutual (a password authenticated key exchange) -- Draft-ietf-http-hoba (origin-bound authentication for HTTP) -- Draft-ietf-http-rest-auth (restful authentication pattern for HTTP) The four experimental documents in the working group have not received sufficient review. If you believe that is valuable for the IETF to specify something better than Basic/Digest for HTTP-layer authentication, then please read one of the above documents and provide feedback on our list. If we can get sufficient review on (at least some) of these documents, then we will publish experimental RFCs -- implementation experience with which would hopefully inform future standards track work on improved HTTP-layer authentication. If we do not get sufficient review of these documents, then we will declare victory after publishing updates to Basic and Digest and close the group. _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag --047d7bdca62062b77804f3de668b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

A variety of updates to HT= TP Basic and Digest (RFC 2617), including
UTF-8 and also four= new HTTP-layer authentication mechanisms.

Cheers,
- Ira

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From: Matthew Lepinski <mlepinski.ietf= @gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:35 AM
Subject: [saag] HTTPAUTH @ IETF 89
= To: saag@ietf.org
Cc: Yoav Nir <= ynir.ietf@gmail.com>


HTTPAUTH met on Monday at IETF 89.

The = working group is preparing an update to Basic and Digest authentication. Th= ese documents will obsolete RFC 2617. The primary goal of this work is to s= upport non-ASCII (i.e., UTF-8) characters in usernames (and passwords), and= to provide hash-function agility for Digest authentication. Work on these = documents is progressing well, and we expect to have a working group last c= all on Digest-bis (and perhaps even both documents) before Toronto in July.=

In addition to updating Basic and Digest authentication= , the group is working on four experimental drafts that specify brand new H= TTP-layer authentication mechanisms that have security properties that cann= ot be obtained via Basic or Digest authentication.

At IETF 89 we had focused discussion on issues in the S= CRAM (Salted Challenge Response Authentication Mechanism) [draft-ietf-httpa= uth-scram-auth]. The group is also working on the following experimental me= chanisms (which were discussed only briefly at IETF 89):=A0
-- Draft-ietf-http-mutual (a password authenticated key exchange)
-- Draft-ietf-http-hoba (origin-bound authentication for HTTP)
<= div>-- Draft-ietf-http-rest-auth (restful authentication pattern for HTTP)= =A0

The four experimental documents in the working group ha= ve not received sufficient review. If you believe that is valuable for the = IETF to specify something better than Basic/Digest for HTTP-layer authentic= ation, then please read one of the above documents and provide feedback on = our list.=A0

If we can get sufficient review on (at least some) of t= hese documents, then we will publish experimental RFCs -- implementation ex= perience with which would hopefully inform future standards track work on i= mproved HTTP-layer authentication. If we do not get sufficient review of th= ese documents, then we will declare victory after publishing updates to Bas= ic and Digest and close the group.

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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Mar 5 12:13:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B911A0549 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:13:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.428, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r7AMxoXopO8z for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9FC1A065B for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:13:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A46A8A19; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 20:34:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe14:43:76:96:62:56]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A75B806F for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 20:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Zvco1n0010bG4ec56wDi25; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 20:13:42 +0000 Received: from lenovo ([50.187.214.212]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZwDi1n0074bXggJ3PwDipk; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 20:13:42 +0000 From: "William A Wagner" To: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 15:13:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01cf38af$68f6a2e0$3ae3e8a0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac84r2iQQK2aQH8aSBiIN7Q0z6uglw== Content-Language: en-us DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1394050422; bh=WCrfI8D7eBLDkVGrUhrAC8hxExoCrCNQJqUDMW0Snpg=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=UyXA1Vs9M9cvB5eGxj+CUxW3RUiYhVH55jGPmUwOs6vys9yZv2SOu6JIab9o2ipnz Pf1Ri99gUKzinNrcp4cNkv5JB8D5kjnFZuG+Wl3vEc3+9xQ7l+ozvfx4AcOk+smGj3 Yj/UfjAfFN1S5F7FrfFGg9Pdl924SsxdW1pH25lph1IKc9YLp8g9Gyb3dipuwOEyHH u0qhTfCz+L4umlhi6N2qeObOyQRtZA+k2+PMCZEmUGTvh3pWDEhfulAR9xBEhhDDtK 2GgvYrLqQilE0jBmFYCiy86Z5bcCAMdERHrwd6qBQ6HHg+kA4GfcYUh6ri5YyBKFhh ey1CyYQup0wdg== Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Updated Cloud Model Draft X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0596172947==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0596172947== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01CF3885.80209AE0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CF3885.80209AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An Updated draft to the Cloud Imaging Model is posted at : ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/wd/wd-cloudimagingmodel10-20140305-rl.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/wd/wd-cloudimagingmodel10-20140305.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/wd/wd-cloudimagingmodel10-20140305.docx ( also may be retrieved at http:// addresses) Although (we hope) that this document is nearing prototype status, there are several question that have arisen, or that I have, that should be addressed. 1. 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Specifically, for the Proxy interface, the Cloud Service must deny access if the requested job is not one that that Cloud Service has provided to the identified Local Service. a. Are there other potential access restrictions as well for the Proxy version? b. Should the Proxy interface version of this operation have a different name, so that defining the access and potential error response information, which is different for the proxy version, does not overly complicate the description of the operation? We had planned to have the next Cloud conference call on Monday 10 March, at which time the above issues would be considered as well as review of the current draft . It was hoped that this would allow a Prototype version of the draft to be generated. However, Michael will not be able to join this call, and he has been the major commenter on this draft. 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An Updated = draft to the Cloud Imaging Model is posted at :

 

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/wd/wd-cloudimagingmodel10-20140= 305-rl.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/wd/wd-cloudimagingmodel10-20140305= .pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/wd/wd-cloudimagingmodel10-2014030= 5.docx

( also may = be retrieved at http:// addresses)

 

Although = (we hope) that this document is nearing prototype status, there are = several question that have arisen, or that I have, that should be = addressed.

 

1.    There is a = requirement that the  Cloud Imaging System maintain a log in the = format of  the PWG Common Log Format.

a.    Does the = Cloud System retain the log or do the individual Cloud = Services?

b.    = Are the job events and parameters in the PWG = Common Log Format Spec sufficient for a Cloud = Service/System?

2.    It was = requested that DocumentForma= tAccepted and =  Compres= sionAccepted be added as optional elements to the FetchDocument = operation. The terms are derived from IPP and do not appear in the = Semantic Model. It is understood that these are “preferred” = values, not supported values.

a.    Should = “preferred” values be added to the Semantic = Model?

b.    The model = requires that the Proxy communicate the significant elements and values = of a local service (Accessible Element Set) to the corresponding Cloud = Service and update them as necessary. Therefore preferred as well as = supported values would be known to the Cloud Service. Why should they be = included in specific FetchDocument requests?

c.    Or do we = have a misunderstanding or disagreement with respect to communicating = the Accessible Element Set of Local Service capabilities and description = elements to the Cloud Service?

3.    The Model = description should refer to elements  in the Semantic Model, not = IPP.

a.    Should the = Cloud Model explicitly identify Semantic Model elements to be included = in Operations Requests and Responses? This may require defining new = elements for inclusion in SM3.

b.    Is it = necessary/desirable to ensure inclusion of elements corresponding to all = IPP SIX attributes in IPP versions of the operations? (not include a = mapping in the document, but certainly generating one in a = worksheet)

4.    It was = requested that the GetJobElement= s operation be added to the Proxy/Cloud interface, presumably to allow = the Proxy to maintain a Job Log. Although the intent of  this = operation is that same as for the GetJobElements operation in the = Client-Cloud interface, the access policy restrictions are different. = Specifically, for the Proxy interface, the Cloud Service must deny = access if the requested job is not one that that Cloud Service  has = provided to the identified Local Service.

a.    Are there = other potential access restrictions as well for the Proxy = version?

b.    Should the = Proxy interface version of this operation have a different name, so that = defining the access and potential error response information, which is = different for the proxy version, does not overly complicate the = description of the operation?

 

 

We had = planned to have the next Cloud conference call on Monday 10 March, at = which time the above issues would be considered  as well as review = of the current draft . It was hoped that this would allow a Prototype = version of the draft to be generated. However, Michael will not be able = to join this call, and he has been the major commenter  on this = draft. Although the conference call would be constructive if others = would like to comment on the draft, but  could not be a conclusive = review without Michael.  Therefore, should cancel the March 10 = conference call? Regardless, I  would very much appreciate mail = list discussion of the draft and the above = issues.

Thank = You,

Bill = Wagner


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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Mar 13 09:43:18 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C3D1A0A24 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 09:43:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.335 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.335 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id knXAcSS2y_aq for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 09:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391E11A0A23 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 09:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504CC84E2; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:04:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-ie0-x22a.google.com (mail-ie0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22a]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23408848E for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id rd18so1278980iec.29 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 09:43:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=z1eY8guDpCOe9hMKbuGfm6uI5M3DlgEBOAH2XnkoVIE=; b=Kw/2dZbGSk9/rjsNaL+V3apY+uPWHpOo6LUDIEyhpSNs9NAEeOlMta8xCT5vqcDGs2 hNi+8OxrXFZ9VnQKG0sJziy5b2WR2lM51MqyDugQpt18lrQaoIKy2q8KY+wYRMe8uQsu MNCUPIu9wVpO1KpM+uoNKCxRZ66nbiuCzt3Cq8O2i5cdpOfe0YHrRepuXm5wVbASjpJR Lu3ySP/vgzhWYfatQpixrAC4EoHn84Mp8naptnb4CLtl519ZMhp0O00w/ZVWzXyU6cEs 5geoOQpoWKzH87RWNCSDeV6S5/lCOP8ELvFGuGYJ8y/C5CLDLjuGq6Q+55m3kg40ovgJ htrA== X-Received: by 10.42.103.199 with SMTP id n7mr2500453ico.46.1394728986202; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 09:43:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.168.100 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 09:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ira McDonald Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:42:46 -0400 Message-ID: To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Subject: [IPP] Posted LDAP Printer Schema (13 March 2014) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1425269970==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1425269970== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba5bbc67c7d72a04f47fa52f --90e6ba5bbc67c7d72a04f47fa52f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Based on PWG IPP WG review on 3 March 2014 - minor corrections to the previous updates based on IETF Apps Area review by Alexey Melnikov. I've just posted a new draft of LDAP Schema for Printer Services to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-07-20140313.txt - plaintext Internet-Draft format (warning - contains explicit formfeed characters) ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-07-20140313.pdf - line numbered PDF of plaintext - use this version for review, please This document *has been* submitted to the IETF I-D repository. This document was created by revising the original LDAP Schema for Printer Services [RFC3712]. Cheers, - Ira --------------------------------------- Change History 13 March 2014 - draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-07.txt Working draft - for IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP Everywhere project Global - updated publication and expiration dates in copyright, header, footer, and boilerplate. Editorial - revised sections 4, 4.2, and 4.24 to add implementation notes about different field delimiters in printer-xri-supported and printer-resolution-supported (for compatibility with SLP template), per PWG IPP WG. Editorial - revised appendix A 'Changes since RFC 3712' to correct typos and expand PWG IPP Everywhere reference, per PWG IPP WG. --90e6ba5bbc67c7d72a04f47fa52f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

Based on PWG IPP WG review on 3 March 2014 - minor = corrections
to the previous updates based on IETF Apps Area r= eview by Alexey
Melnikov.

I've just posted a new draft of LDAP Schema for Printer Service= s to:

=A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp= /wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-07-20140313.txt
=A0- plaintext Internet-Draft format (warning - contains explicit formfeed= characters)

=A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd= /draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-07-20140313.pdf
=A0- line numbered PDF of plaintext - use this version for review, please<= br>
This document *has been* submitted to the IETF I-D repo= sitory.

This document was created by revising the original = LDAP= Schema for
Printer<= /span> Services [RFC3712].

Cheers,
- Ira

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Change History

=A0=A0 13 March 2014 - draft-mcdonald-ldap-= printer-schema-07.txt
=A0=A0 Working draft - for IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP Ever= ywhere project
=A0=A0 Global - updated publication and expiration dates in copyright,
= =A0=A0 header, footer, and boilerplate.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised s= ections 4, 4.2, and 4.24 to add implementation
=A0=A0 notes about differ= ent field delimiters in printer-xri-supported and
=A0=A0 printer-resolution-supported (for compatibility with SLP template),<= br>=A0=A0 per PWG IPP WG.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - revised appendix A '= ;Changes since RFC 3712' to correct
=A0=A0 typos and expand PWG IPP = Everywhere reference, per PWG IPP WG.=A0
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In attempting to understand = IPPSIX, (which requires a full set of notification operations for the = Proxy), I attempted to find a description the get-notifications = operation.  Inter= net Printing Protocol Version 2.0  Second Edition 5100.12)  table 4 and = table 5 reference RFC3995 for this operation but, although this RFC = includes the notification capability,  I cannot find Get-Notifications there. It = would appear to be, rather, in RFC3996.

 

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Magnitude-6.9 Quake Strikes Off Northern California

A magnitude-6.9 earthquake struck off the coast of Northern California on Sunday night,.

The epicenter was 48 miles west-northwest of Ferndale and 50 miles west of Eureka at a depth of 4.3 miles, the USGS said.

The quake, which occurred at 10:18 p.m. PT (1:18 a.m ET), was initially reported as magnitude 6.1 on the Richter scale, but seismologists revised it upward to 6.9. It was followed by about a half-dozen aftershocks, including one of magnitude 4.6.

Earthquakes are very common in Eureka, a city of about 27,000 people about 270 miles northwest of San Francisco and 100 miles south of the Oregon state line.

The probability of a "strong and possibly damaging aftershock" of magnitude 5.0 or greater in the next seven days was 90 percent, the USGS warned, adding that there was a 5 percent to 10 percent of another quake as large as or larger than the initial one in the next week.

No destructive tsunami was expected, and no tsunami advisory was issued, The West Coast/Alaska and Pacific Tsunami Warning Centers said.

One of Oklahoma's biggest man-made earthquakes, caused by fracking-linked wastewater injection, triggered an earthquake cascade that led to the damaging magnitude-5.7 Prague quake that struck on Nov. 6, 2011, a new study confirms.

The findings suggest that even, such as those of just a magnitude 1 or magnitude 2, can trigger damaging quakes, said study co-author Elizabeth Cochran, a seismologist with the U.S. Geological Survey.

"Even if wastewater injection only directly affects a low-hazard fault, those smaller events could trigger an event on a larger fault nearby," she told Live Science.

The Prague earthquake was the largest of thousands of quakes that rattled Oklahoma in late 2011. Three were magnitude-5 or stronger. The 2011 quakes struck along the Wilzetta fault, a fault zone near Prague. Earthquakes break faults like a boat plowing through thick ice the fault zips open as the earthquake ruptures the fault, and then seals itself shut behind. Each of the three biggest quakes tore apart a different part of the Wilzetta fault, the researchers said.

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From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:31:20 -0400 Message-id: <34E11EBC-CB4F-42D9-B7B0-406C2C532BC9@apple.com> References: <52CC5CD3-9266-465F-B5C7-A994B98A6BF1@apple.com> <429A2FF0-FEF3-4801-9BB0-3E58370DA0F5@apple.com> <52FAC5FD-CD94-4C56-A43E-37E1F9E3986C@apple.com> <814CE750-DBA6-4CBF-859B-34DEF459D176@app> To: Soma Meiyappan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupmkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IRbCgW17VhVw826O/gsDi27yWLA6PHvMXT mQIYo7hsUlJzMstSi/TtErgyll+6zFLwop+x4vWRbewNjE1NjF2MnBwSAiYSS+a/Z4awxSQu 3FvP1sXIxSEk0M8k8aypgxXCmc0k0bRtCitIlbBAgMSnxn0sELalxMOWx2BxXgE9iTNnf7GD NDALTGGUuPfoGVgRm4CaxO9JfWBFnAJeEq3dT8BsFgFVibVX3oLZzAJuEq3/ZzNDDLKRaDv1 iAliczuHxKW9e9lBEiICBhIND88zQdwqK/HoQxPLBEaBWUiWz0K2fBbY4CSJQ/Nb2SFsbYll C18zQ9gGEk87X7FiiutLvHk3hwnCNpV48nY7G4RtLfFzziNGCFtRYkr3Q/YFjFyrGAWKUnMS Ky30EgsKclL1kvNzNzGCo6UwbQdj03KrQ4wCHIxKPLwv2NSDhVgTy4orcw8xqgCNeLRh9QVG KZa8/LxUJRFep3dqwUK8KYmVValF+fFFpTmpxYcYpTlYlMR5pYSVgoUE0hNLUrNTUwtSi2Cy TBycUg2Mogkno/La5y5Z5KYyq6vPtXtVwOEHbxPbRTL3PCmcU8MWax2p1banhO/hz4Oi85x/ H2GLmTnZ7g+Lp4GoRcqL5r+La/jMpqo9da4TNWZP7j3gPyOC58OvhT8OXa1dcTf3ddunTvvn 13huJDz+Z/D8lFv1lSMuOYFKaTHBJ36+V79ntVWglqdAiaU4I9FQi7moOBEAtXmKSJ4CAAA= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=apple.com; s=mailout2048-14-01; t=1395066684; bh=6FgTEM2BhIf+PCbxXxJuCJ/3iyP0qgZM7ZsY89b9Rro=; h=Subject:From:In-reply-to:Date:Cc:References:To; b=XrHfxkMPNHGOYN+/SIOdtd2bOqt9OEq8gslbM2vCh8NAz/zK+lEcBFRoFNIOpfQHp n6+TJiKXWzxHw4TNMPu6wan+egacZUguA9dEJ3PgMpayZXiLXs5JfTKRC/7h52+fca JqjhOmB/y7dpVB8Rxz2/pnJsuCvAsDUh9DXSb5nA7DGDQLIounkrWdNwtYzQUMlLlx SAaQkGe/FUqUj8r6fzckcg7uCm5Sq2AFbm0aeHCpMNDfsgFmvSMC4gJ1q5dEIy3Cb/ q09gxsrFJKY9hWNPUjWrLqGhk3Ut2AChLj71XU/W40QY6gw9gZFbE+RsAcCD09VmQF +p+Hv2DR3xvyw== Cc: "IPP@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP Scan - Is Push scanning mandatory? X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1154243489==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1154243489== Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8E54F08A-8ECC-48C6-B24C-BA3BE1B36FD0"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_8E54F08A-8ECC-48C6-B24C-BA3BE1B36FD0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2904CF8A-A0F8-4D41-880E-80F855799314" --Apple-Mail=_2904CF8A-A0F8-4D41-880E-80F855799314 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 (Apologies for the late reply; I am still working through a backlog of = email...) On Feb 19, 2014, at 4:22 AM, Soma Meiyappan = wrote: > ...=20 > [Soma] When US federal TCPA law talks about fax headers/cover-page for = fax machines/senders, should it be interpreted as being applicable for = images transmitted through tel: and fax: schemes only and not to = mailto:, ipp:, etc=85, which inherently involve digital formats with = richer meta-data capabilities? IANAL, but an application claiming to offer Internet Fax capabilities = will likely be subject to the same regulations that traditional fax is = subject to. Naturally this will depend on local laws and regulations, = and certainly if the destination is an ipp: or ipps: URI then the job = ticket/accounting information can be passed out-of-band rather than = embedded in the delivered images. > Document sent using these digital formats can identify the sender = through a username that is embedded in the file (be it a PDF, TIFF or = JPEG). Generally speaking, we (the PWG) do not like embedding job = ticket/accounting information in the PDL. > If the IPP FaxOut specification should be interpreted such that the = same content (incl the header) should be sent to all destinations = (irrespective of the destination scheme), then it makes the case for = =93push-scan=94 in IPP Scan stronger. I don't think we can require push scan support, as the hardware = requirements may preclude support on some printers (think: non-networked = MFDs that support IPP USB and the various IPP services...) And more to = the point, push scan can be simulated even by embedded/mobile devices = that might be used to initiate a scan. > ...=20 > *If* there is a use case for discovery of fax services that can = deliver using a particular URI scheme, we could add a corresponding = "Fax2" TXT key, however nobody has asked for it... (and FWIW, I would = argue it would be more useful than the Scan2 key, since at least then = you are discovering a delivery capability that cannot be easily = reproduced in software...) > [Soma] If the case for PushScan exists and if a device supports it, = then I can see Scan2 (or Fax2) in TXT record being useful especially = with the discovery features in Wifi-Direct/P2P and in a kiosk like = environment where the IPP client may not have other network = connectivity. WFDS has its own service descriptors and does not use Bonjour. At = present, Bonjour is only used for Infrastructure Wi-Fi and wired = networking, not P2P. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --Apple-Mail=_2904CF8A-A0F8-4D41-880E-80F855799314 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 (Apologies for the late reply; I am still working = through a backlog of email...)

On Feb 19, 2014, at = 4:22 AM, Soma Meiyappan <Soma.Meiyappan@conexant.com> wrote:

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*If* there is a use = case for discovery of fax services that can deliver using a particular = URI scheme, we could add a corresponding "Fax2" TXT key, however nobody = has asked for it...  (and FWIW, I would argue it would be more = useful than the Scan2 key, since at least then you are discovering a = delivery capability that cannot be easily reproduced in = software...)

[Soma] If the case for PushScan exists and if a = device supports it, then I can see Scan2 (or Fax2) in TXT record being = useful especially with the discovery features in Wifi-Direct/P2P and in = a kiosk like environment where the IPP client may not have other network = connectivity. =


WFDS has its = own service descriptors and does not use Bonjour.  At present, = Bonjour is only used for Infrastructure Wi-Fi and wired networking, not = P2P.


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of the IPP Implementor's Guide v2 - agreeing on the scope X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1929412503==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1929412503== Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F779FE8D-F4EB-4E98-991D-8104A5292FD2"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_F779FE8D-F4EB-4E98-991D-8104A5292FD2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Smith, I think as long as we have clients and printers that implement the good, = better, or best behaviors in sections 4-7 and the required bits in = section 8, then we can claim sufficient prototyping to advance the = document to stable status. And it might make sense to add a Conformance Requirements section that = specifically states the minimum conformance requirements (which we can = use/treat as minimum prototype requirements). On Mar 10, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = wrote: > Greetings, >=20 > Following up from our last conference call, in order to bring the IPP = Implementor=92s Guide v2 to the =93Prototype=94 state, we need to decide = on the scope of the IPP Implementor=92s Guide v2. >=20 > Below is the outline of the document as it currently stands, with = separating space between each primary section. Please reply to comment = on its scope to recommend topic addition / change / removal, so we can = discuss via email. >=20 > Thanks for any feedback! >=20 > Smith >=20 > /** > Smith Kennedy > Hewlett-Packard Co. > */ >=20 >=20 > 1. Introduction >=20 >=20 > 2. Terminology > 2.1 Conformance Terminology > 2.2 Imaging Terminology > 2.3 Other Terminology > 2.4 Acronyms and Organizations >=20 >=20 > 3. Requirements > 3.1 Rationale > 3.2 Use Cases > 3.2.1 Developer Implementing IPP Client Support > 3.2.2 Developer Implementing IPP Support in a New Printer > 3.3 Out of Scope > 3.4 Design Requirements >=20 >=20 > 4. Tasks and Implementation Alternatives > 4.1 Create A Relationship With A Printer > 4.1.1 Discover And Select A Printer Via A Discovery Protocol > 4.1.2 Select A Printer Via Static DNS Hostname, IPv6 Address Or IPv4 = Address > 4.2 Validate User Access to Printer > 4.3 Get Printer Information and Print Job Options > 4.4 Check constraints between presented options > 4.5 Submitting a Print Job > 4.5.1 Submitting a Job with document data > 4.5.2 Submitting a Job with document references > 4.5.3 Handling Print Job Creation Errors > 4.6 Monitoring print job status > 4.7 Canceling a Print Job > 4.8 Getting Printer supplies status >=20 >=20 > 5. Using Attributes with IPP Operations > 5.1 General Principles > 5.1.1 IPP Client Recommendations > 5.1.2 IPP Printer Recommendations > 5.2 Explicit "document-format" Selection > 5.2.1 IPP Client Recommendations > 5.2.2 IPP Printer Recommendations > 5.3 Prefer "media-col" Attribute To "media" Attribute > 5.4 Specifying Finishings With "finishings-col", "finishings" and = Others > 5.4.1 IPP Client Recommendations > 5.4.2 IPP Printer Recommendations > 5.5 Controlling Intended Output Using "ipp-attribute-fidelity", = "job-mandatory-attributes", and "pdl-override-supported" > 5.5.1 IPP Client Recommendations > 5.5.2 IPP Printer Recommendations > 5.6 Prefer "multiple-document-handling" For Copies Collation > 5.7 Prefer Supplying Explicit "orientation-requested" Attribute > 5.8 Evaluating Printer Capability Attributes > 5.8.1 ipp-features-supported > 5.8.2 xxx-supported > 5.8.3 xxx-default > 5.8.4 xxx-ready > 5.8.5 job-creation-attributes-supported > 5.8.6 printer-settable-attributes-supported > 5.8.7 operations-supported > 5.8.8 job-constraints-supported / job-resolvers-supported > 5.8.9 media-col-database >=20 >=20 > 6. IPP Object Status Attributes > 6.1 Printer Status and Notifications > 6.2 Job Status > 6.3 Document Status >=20 >=20 > 7. IPP Printer Best Practices > 7.1 Resource URIs >=20 >=20 > 8. HTTP Protocol Use > 8.1 HTTP/1.1 Update > 8.2 HTTP/1.1 Expect Header > 8.2.1 HTTP Client > 8.2.2 HTTP Server > 8.3 "Host" Header Field > 8.4 If-Modified-Since, Last-Modified, and 304 Not Modified > 8.5 Cache-Control >=20 >=20 > 9. Security Considerations > 9.1 Client Security Considerations > 9.1.1 HTTP/1.1 Expect Header > 9.1.2 HTTP Upgrade (RFC 2817) > 9.1.3 IPP Operations Used To Detect Authentication or Encryption > 9.1.4 Using the "ipps:" URI Scheme > 9.1.5 Document Encryption > 9.2 Server Security Considerations > 9.2.1 HTTP/1.1 Expect Header > 9.2.2 Support for HTTP Upgrade (RFC 2817) > 9.2.3 Support For The "ipps:" URI Scheme > 9.2.4 Document Encryption >=20 >=20 > 10. Important Implementation Options > 10.1 Using "xxx-actual" attribute > 10.2 Using =93preferred-attributes=94 attribute >=20 >=20 > 11. Internationalization Considerations > 11.1 Client Considerations > 11.2 Server Considerations >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --Apple-Mail=_F779FE8D-F4EB-4E98-991D-8104A5292FD2 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIPJTCCBN0w ggPFoAMCAQICEHGS++YZX6xNEoV0cTSiGKcwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwezELMAkGA1UEBhMCR0Ix GzAZBgNVBAgMEkdyZWF0ZXIgTWFuY2hlc3RlcjEQMA4GA1UEBwwHU2FsZm9yZDEaMBgGA1UECgwR Q29tb2RvIENBIExpbWl0ZWQxITAfBgNVBAMMGEFBQSBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczAeFw0w NDAxMDEwMDAwMDBaFw0yODEyMzEyMzU5NTlaMIGuMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzELMAkGA1UECBMCVVQx FzAVBgNVBAcTDlNhbHQgTGFrZSBDaXR5MR4wHAYDVQQKExVUaGUgVVNFUlRSVVNUIE5ldHdvcmsx 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several = "printer-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error": subunit-recoverable-storage-error subunit-unrecoverable-storage-error bander-recoverable-storage-error bander-unrecoverable-storage-error binder-recoverable-storage-error binder-unrecoverable-storage-error die-cutter-recoverable-storage-error die-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error folder-recoverable-storage-error folder-unrecoverable-storage-error imprinter-recoverable-storage-error imprinter-unrecoverable-storage-error inserter-recoverable-storage-error inserter-unrecoverable-storage-error make-envelope-recoverable-storage-error make-envelope-unrecoverable-storage-error perforater-recoverable-storage-error perforater-unrecoverable-storage-error puncher-recoverable-storage-error puncher-unrecoverable-storage-error separation-cutter-recoverable-storage-error separation-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error sheet-rotator-recoverable-storage-error sheet-rotator-unrecoverable-storage-error slitter-recoverable-storage-error slitter-unrecoverable-storage-error stacker-recoverable-storage-error stacker-unrecoverable-storage-error stapler-recoverable-storage-error stapler-unrecoverable-storage-error stitcher-recoverable-storage-error stitcher-unrecoverable-storage-error trimmer-recoverable-storage-error trimmer-unrecoverable-storage-error wrapper-recoverable-storage-error wrapper-unrecoverable-storage-error However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of = the reason: 4.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail about the device's state. Some of the these value definitions indicate conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL. Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level of severity. The three levels are: report (least severe), warning, and error (most severe). - '-report': This suffix indicates that the reason is a "report". An implementation may choose to omit some or all reports. Some reports specify finer granularity about the printer state; others serve as a precursor to a warning. A report MUST contain nothing that could affect the printed output. - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason is a "warning". An implementation may choose to omit some or all warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to an error. A warning MUST contain nothing that prevents a job from completing, though in some cases the output may be of lower quality. - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason is an "error". An implementation MUST include all errors. If this attribute contains one or more errors, printer MUST be in the stopped state. If the implementation does not add any one of the three suffixes, all parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error". Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the = Printer is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative = note to table 5-2 saying something like the following: Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer is in the stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" values ending with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-report" or "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the stopped state. I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons" = attribute only contains the registered values without added suffixes. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --Apple-Mail=_3F774E88-EF04-44C6-A7B3-352A59A9A8A8 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIPJTCCBN0w ggPFoAMCAQICEHGS++YZX6xNEoV0cTSiGKcwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwezELMAkGA1UEBhMCR0Ix GzAZBgNVBAgMEkdyZWF0ZXIgTWFuY2hlc3RlcjEQMA4GA1UEBwwHU2FsZm9yZDEaMBgGA1UECgwR Q29tb2RvIENBIExpbWl0ZWQxITAfBgNVBAMMGEFBQSBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczAeFw0w NDAxMDEwMDAwMDBaFw0yODEyMzEyMzU5NTlaMIGuMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzELMAkGA1UECBMCVVQx FzAVBgNVBAcTDlNhbHQgTGFrZSBDaXR5MR4wHAYDVQQKExVUaGUgVVNFUlRSVVNUIE5ldHdvcmsx ITAfBgNVBAsTGGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudXNlcnRydXN0LmNvbTE2MDQGA1UEAxMtVVROLVVTRVJGaXJz 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g023ZFFawHOg1B3wf5q/2QfIXMvIgCR3ti8dNJcoareuN/634ltWtuikg5bG3vL/nt Ig1LMPv3Ej1Ig== Cc: wims@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Errata for PWG 5107.3: Printer MIB and IPP MFD Alerts X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1513310359==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1513310359== Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9703D810-B984-4A32-AD78-488BD978E896"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_9703D810-B984-4A32-AD78-488BD978E896 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, It was recently pointed out to me that PWG 5107.3 defines several = "printer-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error": input-media-tray-feed-error output-media-tray-feed-error media-path-input-feed-error media-path-output-feed-error scan-media-path-input-feed-error scan-media-path-output-feed-error fax-modem-protocol-error However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of = the reason: 4.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail about the device's state. Some of the these value definitions indicate conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL. Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level of severity. The three levels are: report (least severe), warning, and error (most severe). - '-report': This suffix indicates that the reason is a "report". An implementation may choose to omit some or all reports. Some reports specify finer granularity about the printer state; others serve as a precursor to a warning. A report MUST contain nothing that could affect the printed output. - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason is a "warning". An implementation may choose to omit some or all warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to an error. A warning MUST contain nothing that prevents a job from completing, though in some cases the output may be of lower quality. - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason is an "error". An implementation MUST include all errors. If this attribute contains one or more errors, printer MUST be in the stopped state. If the implementation does not add any one of the three suffixes, all parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error". Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the = Printer is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative = note to table 3 saying something like the following: Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer is in the stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" values ending with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-report" or "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the stopped state. I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons" = attribute only contains the registered values without added suffixes. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --Apple-Mail=_9703D810-B984-4A32-AD78-488BD978E896 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIPJTCCBN0w ggPFoAMCAQICEHGS++YZX6xNEoV0cTSiGKcwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwezELMAkGA1UEBhMCR0Ix GzAZBgNVBAgMEkdyZWF0ZXIgTWFuY2hlc3RlcjEQMA4GA1UEBwwHU2FsZm9yZDEaMBgGA1UECgwR Q29tb2RvIENBIExpbWl0ZWQxITAfBgNVBAMMGEFBQSBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczAeFw0w NDAxMDEwMDAwMDBaFw0yODEyMzEyMzU5NTlaMIGuMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzELMAkGA1UECBMCVVQx FzAVBgNVBAcTDlNhbHQgTGFrZSBDaXR5MR4wHAYDVQQKExVUaGUgVVNFUlRSVVNUIE5ldHdvcmsx ITAfBgNVBAsTGGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudXNlcnRydXN0LmNvbTE2MDQGA1UEAxMtVVROLVVTRVJGaXJz 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s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=XqRm+qjQymH+7S+w+eCOmf0SFj1THYG5yStGWZ/UzUg=; b=aRbZgzJqtVjdAQ8Gzc7OAwFKzLGddhmIf/CpYm1rAcS60PH56iijQUY87b9XBq+1Ux S5+PZjyRHsj7zOs5BXv7gaNqm6fd+cpwHYYLMs/7BR/nw/WpPhxLYM9WL06eavJtFFkQ kV+vHjpzqix6NAGRPrzHrXTZzQOyCyjPMcDrF5Ng3vkUyPEdpoIMC9BkShEixb883qBD USrU/6QUGVg65jXpLkvcBluLxXAdcO683KaDEkWC+KZ3qUyM0zwic97xCbZKxJijbOYK dnc5ii17Pw+GKvTROd01anAKGS9rMcrat6V/QZBanyzQZlT6saz2EQW66FSK6/2nsvq5 WkzQ== X-Received: by 10.50.78.164 with SMTP id c4mr4184669igx.23.1395089180014; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:46:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.168.100 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:45:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7325C383-2F00-49B3-87BC-C67D9439195D@apple.com> References: <7325C383-2F00-49B3-87BC-C67D9439195D@apple.com> From: Ira McDonald Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:45:59 -0400 Message-ID: To: Michael Sweet Cc: "" , "wims@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] [WIMS] Errata for PWG 5107.3: Printer MIB and IPP MFD Alerts X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0366303442==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0366303442== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122f70a013eed04f4d38325 --089e0122f70a013eed04f4d38325 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Mike, I suggest that we replace "-error" with "-fault" in all of these printer state reasons. If the current "-error" suffix is simply removed, the meaning of these alerts is lost. BTW - normally, we couldn't change these names in the PrtAlertCodeTC textual convention in the IANA Printer MIB, because it's illegal under SMIv2 rules to change the name of an already assigned enumeration value. HOWEVER - *none* of the PWG 5107.3 section 9.2 updates for PrtAlertCodeTC were ever registered with IANA - this fell through the cracks in mid-2012. SUGGESTION - we revise/update PWG 5107.3 and change the IPP and IANA Printer MIB names from "-error" to "-fault" (or "Error" to "Fault" in the MIB) and correct or submit the IANA IPP and MIB registrations. WDYT? Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > All, > > It was recently pointed out to me that PWG 5107.3 defines several > "printer-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error": > > input-media-tray-feed-error > output-media-tray-feed-error > media-path-input-feed-error > media-path-output-feed-error > scan-media-path-input-feed-error > scan-media-path-output-feed-error > fax-modem-protocol-error > > However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of the > reason: > > 4.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) > > This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail about the > device's state. Some of the these value definitions indicate > conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL. > > Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level of > severity. The three levels are: report (least severe), warning, and > error (most severe). > > - '-report': This suffix indicates that the reason is a "report". > An implementation may choose to omit some or all reports. Some > reports specify finer granularity about the printer state; > others serve as a precursor to a warning. A report MUST contain > nothing that could affect the printed output. > - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason is a > "warning". An implementation may choose to omit some or all > warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to an error. A warning > MUST contain nothing that prevents a job from completing, though > in some cases the output may be of lower quality. > - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason is an "error". > An implementation MUST include all errors. If this attribute > contains one or more errors, printer MUST be in the stopped > state. > > If the implementation does not add any one of the three suffixes, all > parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error". > > Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the Printer > is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative note to table > 3 saying something like the following: > > Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer is in the > stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" values ending > with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-report" or > "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the stopped > state. > > I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons" attribute > only contains the registered values without added suffixes. > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > _______________________________________________ > wims mailing list > wims@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/wims > > --089e0122f70a013eed04f4d38325 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike,

I sugg= est that we replace "-error" with "-fault" in all of th= ese printer state
reasons.

If the current "-err= or" suffix is simply removed, the meaning of these alerts
is lost.

BTW - normally, we couldn't change these na= mes in the PrtAlertCodeTC
textual convention in the IANA Printer MIB, b= ecause it's illegal under SMIv2
rules to change the name of an alre= ady assigned enumeration value.

HOWEVER - *none* of the PWG 5107.3 section 9.2 updates for P= rtAlertCodeTC
were ever registered with IANA - this fell through the cra= cks in mid-2012.

SUGGESTION - we revise/update= PWG 5107.3 and change the IPP and
IANA Printer MIB names from "-error" to "-fault&q= uot; (or "Error" to "Fault" in the
MIB) a= nd correct or submit the IANA IPP and MIB registrations.

WDYT?

Cheers,
- Ira


<= /div>



On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
All,

It was recently pointed out to me that PWG 5107.3 defines several "pri= nter-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error":

=A0 =A0 input-media-tray-feed-error
=A0 =A0 output-media-tray-feed-error
=A0 =A0 media-path-input-feed-error
=A0 =A0 media-path-output-feed-error
=A0 =A0 scan-media-path-input-feed-error
=A0 =A0 scan-media-path-output-feed-error
=A0 =A0 fax-modem-protocol-error

However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of the r= eason:

=A0 =A04.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword)

=A0 =A0This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail about the=
=A0 =A0device's state. =A0Some of the these value definitions indicate<= br> =A0 =A0conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL.

=A0 =A0Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level of
=A0 =A0severity. =A0The three levels are: report (least severe), warning, a= nd
=A0 =A0error (most severe).

=A0 =A0 =A0 - '-report': =A0This suffix indicates that the reason i= s a "report".
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 An implementation may choose to omit some or all reports. S= ome
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 reports specify finer granularity about the printer state;<= br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 others serve as a precursor to a warning. A report MUST con= tain
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 nothing that could affect the printed output.
=A0 =A0 =A0 - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason is = a
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 "warning". =A0An implementation may choose to omi= t some or all
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to an error. A warn= ing
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 MUST contain nothing that prevents a job from completing, t= hough
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 in some cases the output may be of lower quality.
=A0 =A0 =A0 - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason is an= "error".
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 An implementation MUST include all errors. If this attribut= e
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 contains one or more errors, printer MUST be in the stopped=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 state.

=A0 =A0If the implementation does not add any one of the three suffixes, al= l
=A0 =A0parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error".

Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the Printer = is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative note to table = 3 saying something like the following:

=A0 =A0 Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer is in th= e
=A0 =A0 stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" valu= es ending
=A0 =A0 with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-re= port" or
=A0 =A0 "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the = stopped
=A0 =A0 state.

I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons&quo= t; attribute only contains the registered values without added suffixes.
_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


_______________________________________________
wims mailing list
wims@pwg.org
htt= ps://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/wims


--089e0122f70a013eed04f4d38325-- --===============0366303442== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============0366303442==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 17 13:53:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2E81A0503 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:53:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.334 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.334 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AC_DIV_BONANZA=0.001, BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sER8ynHMBFZZ for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765991A04C1 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9038561; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:14:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-ie0-x22a.google.com (mail-ie0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22a]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 296F4855F for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id rd18so6160723iec.15 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:53:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=uQzTvJ+0hxH0XyHChnbI9ly9mtqQAp355Twsnkmrs4Q=; b=rGTVuM+/vI+t7hmhJ8YmkR1KV9O0MjaED+SYJhT53ordlzuPG4Ez2gBAZtsGeyXvb4 ZNS1S/hEf7KEOLyqA5RKbnnCA+SFAnOKeC+dTEefTwd6PKNFYEmY1HbWI5czaQqtn9K2 F/nwtSmqmvZPlPaiEp97qTa9gyaqqxu0bCfO75U5nRP4Kw5ikjKuGZjz7ILbDwaGsKzd IBnoZVkwO75xb4mgVPJpGVFUoBHWjhaYgE1ACs94gWzt0pHgkkSAigF00TblSc9IY8sZ L1V5jvgdWjKog72hi08Z4W21FKnQpFeSHaIHCUx5e6Uk8kujKROxUTX1QrDBKSDK5fVL +GOg== X-Received: by 10.51.17.40 with SMTP id gb8mr15157622igd.18.1395089610489; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:53:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.168.100 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9632F302-4270-4262-9B8A-C1406771B698@apple.com> References: <9632F302-4270-4262-9B8A-C1406771B698@apple.com> From: Ira McDonald Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:53:10 -0400 Message-ID: To: Michael Sweet Cc: "" Subject: Re: [IPP] Errata: PWG 5100.9: IPP Printer State Extensions v1.0 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1323594318==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1323594318== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134c2e2a9c21b04f4d39ce5 --001a1134c2e2a9c21b04f4d39ce5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Mike, See my related reply about PWG 5107.3. I suggest changing the IPP printer-state-reasons from "-error" to "-fault". WARNING - all of the PWG 5100.9 extensions *were* registered in the IANA Printer MIB and SMIv2 rules prevent our changing the names of already assigned enumeration values, so the possible fix is different from my suggested one for PWG 5107.3. WARNING - vendors (printer and management systems) who have used the previously assigned PWG 5107.3 or PWG 5100.9 names and values in the Printer MIB will have breakage if we change these "Error" suffixes in the IANA Printer MIB. I'll put this topic on the next IPP WG agenda for 31 March. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > All, > > It was recently pointed out to me that PWG 5100.9 defines several > "printer-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error": > > subunit-recoverable-storage-error > subunit-unrecoverable-storage-error > bander-recoverable-storage-error > bander-unrecoverable-storage-error > binder-recoverable-storage-error > binder-unrecoverable-storage-error > die-cutter-recoverable-storage-error > die-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error > folder-recoverable-storage-error > folder-unrecoverable-storage-error > imprinter-recoverable-storage-error > imprinter-unrecoverable-storage-error > inserter-recoverable-storage-error > inserter-unrecoverable-storage-error > make-envelope-recoverable-storage-error > make-envelope-unrecoverable-storage-error > perforater-recoverable-storage-error > perforater-unrecoverable-storage-error > puncher-recoverable-storage-error > puncher-unrecoverable-storage-error > separation-cutter-recoverable-storage-error > separation-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error > sheet-rotator-recoverable-storage-error > sheet-rotator-unrecoverable-storage-error > slitter-recoverable-storage-error > slitter-unrecoverable-storage-error > stacker-recoverable-storage-error > stacker-unrecoverable-storage-error > stapler-recoverable-storage-error > stapler-unrecoverable-storage-error > stitcher-recoverable-storage-error > stitcher-unrecoverable-storage-error > trimmer-recoverable-storage-error > trimmer-unrecoverable-storage-error > wrapper-recoverable-storage-error > wrapper-unrecoverable-storage-error > > However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of the > reason: > > 4.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) > > This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail about the > device's state. Some of the these value definitions indicate > conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL. > > Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level of > severity. The three levels are: report (least severe), warning, and > error (most severe). > > - '-report': This suffix indicates that the reason is a "report". > An implementation may choose to omit some or all reports. Some > reports specify finer granularity about the printer state; > others serve as a precursor to a warning. A report MUST contain > nothing that could affect the printed output. > - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason is a > "warning". An implementation may choose to omit some or all > warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to an error. A warning > MUST contain nothing that prevents a job from completing, though > in some cases the output may be of lower quality. > - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason is an "error". > An implementation MUST include all errors. If this attribute > contains one or more errors, printer MUST be in the stopped > state. > > If the implementation does not add any one of the three suffixes, all > parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error". > > Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the Printer > is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative note to table > 5-2 saying something like the following: > > Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer is in the > stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" values ending > with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-report" or > "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the stopped > state. > > I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons" attribute > only contains the registered values without added suffixes. > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --001a1134c2e2a9c21b04f4d39ce5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike,

See my related reply about PWG 5107.3.

=
I suggest changing the IPP printer-state-reasons from "-error&qu= ot; to "-fault".

WARNING - all of the PWG 5100.9 extensions *were* registered in t= he
IANA Printer MIB and SMIv2 rules prevent our changing the names= of
already assigned enumeration values, so the possible fix is di= fferent
from my suggested one for PWG 5107.3.

WARNING - vendors = (printer and management systems) who have used
the previously assi= gned PWG 5107.3 or PWG 5100.9 names and values
in the Printer MIB = will have breakage if we change these "Error" suffixes
in the IANA Printer MIB.

I'll put this topic on the = next IPP WG agenda for 31 March.

Cheers,
- Ira
=A0

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Ch= air - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Pr= inting WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE= -ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High No= rth Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/bluero= ofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto: blue= roofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
All,

It was recently pointed out to me that PWG 5100.9 defines several "pri= nter-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error":

=A0 =A0 subunit-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 subunit-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 bander-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 bander-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 binder-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 binder-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 die-cutter-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 die-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 folder-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 folder-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 imprinter-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 imprinter-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 inserter-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 inserter-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 make-envelope-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 make-envelope-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 perforater-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 perforater-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 puncher-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 puncher-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 separation-cutter-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 separation-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 sheet-rotator-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 sheet-rotator-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 slitter-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 slitter-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 stacker-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 stacker-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 stapler-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 stapler-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 stitcher-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 stitcher-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 trimmer-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 trimmer-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 wrapper-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 wrapper-unrecoverable-storage-error

However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of the r= eason:

=A0 =A04.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword)

=A0 =A0This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail about the=
=A0 =A0device's state. =A0Some of the these value definitions indicate<= br> =A0 =A0conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL.

=A0 =A0Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level of
=A0 =A0severity. =A0The three levels are: report (least severe), warning, a= nd
=A0 =A0error (most severe).

=A0 =A0 =A0 - '-report': =A0This suffix indicates that the reason i= s a "report".
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 An implementation may choose to omit some or all reports. S= ome
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 reports specify finer granularity about the printer state;<= br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 others serve as a precursor to a warning. A report MUST con= tain
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 nothing that could affect the printed output.
=A0 =A0 =A0 - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason is = a
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 "warning". =A0An implementation may choose to omi= t some or all
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to an error. A warn= ing
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 MUST contain nothing that prevents a job from completing, t= hough
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 in some cases the output may be of lower quality.
=A0 =A0 =A0 - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason is an= "error".
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 An implementation MUST include all errors. If this attribut= e
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 contains one or more errors, printer MUST be in the stopped=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 state.

=A0 =A0If the implementation does not add any one of the three suffixes, al= l
=A0 =A0parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error".

Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the Printer = is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative note to table = 5-2 saying something like the following:

=A0 =A0 Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer is in th= e
=A0 =A0 stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" valu= es ending
=A0 =A0 with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-re= port" or
=A0 =A0 "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the = stopped
=A0 =A0 state.

I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons&quo= t; attribute only contains the registered values without added suffixes.
_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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--001a1134c2e2a9c21b04f4d39ce5-- --===============1323594318== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============1323594318==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 17 14:05:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7ED1A05D3 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:05:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.334 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.334 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AC_DIV_BONANZA=0.001, BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sW_fc0pPaq7S for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674E81A056D for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B68F8565; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:26:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-ie0-x234.google.com (mail-ie0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CA848564 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id as1so6131808iec.39 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:05:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=PFUVA9cPzLO77zDDgIZzNP8Vey4lcAKJb0J7yqJzKZE=; b=E/g9CbPFEWRK9ZXbhdp8arUHZYt2YCxca5y8C4KzEFCtnuklfASwjZpwnqu3xhq+aH 4/VrnZTCHCad1HfokpOBw+yp6fSD5sQ51+/IHFy+tzRA/PxHMaHNhwL9aJzNKiXKV9GW b6vQYAhk7g2kUe6AMwou3EBLYVe8ZQCWK9WOk1ILF2xNPrxAUewSW6j1xrMyyC3wibEp FOXPr312O1+XoJkbkTycaB+v3DKnI+8EJXSMJTSrRILJt/M3VplOi2YbXNXlpxNRS809 CpxZkh1Luh4KYMPzWAiYxMb6faUrIuM84cib8Ie5etjvB6nfPoOmvvJK3viyUJwCbJPD jnxQ== X-Received: by 10.42.228.131 with SMTP id je3mr3002192icb.59.1395090323337; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:05:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.168.100 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:05:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ira McDonald Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:05:03 -0400 Message-ID: To: Michael Sweet , Ira McDonald Cc: "" Subject: Re: [IPP] Toward a "prototype" of the IPP Implementor's Guide v2 - agreeing on the scope X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1470127902==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1470127902== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133d45826f9bf04f4d3c7fb --001a1133d45826f9bf04f4d3c7fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I agree with Mike - if this is a PWG standards-track document, then there needs to be a top-level section "Conformance Requirements" and subsections for "IPP Client Conformance Requirements" and "IPP Printer Conformance Requirements" (not exhaustive - just pointers to the named sections elsewhere that contain detailed conformance requirements). See IPP 2.0 Second Edition (PWG 5100.12) for conformance examples. By recent tradition, we have done all the REQUIRED features in prototypes. But PWG Process 3.0 does *not* have a prototype definition that mandates this coverage. For the IPP Implementors Guide v2, we might want to be less exhaustive (or we may not get prototype reports, which would be counterproductive). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Smith, > > I think as long as we have clients and printers that implement the good, > better, or best behaviors in sections 4-7 and the required bits in section > 8, then we can claim sufficient prototyping to advance the document to > stable status. > > And it might make sense to add a Conformance Requirements section that > specifically states the minimum conformance requirements (which we can > use/treat as minimum prototype requirements). > > > On Mar 10, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < > smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > Following up from our last conference call, in order to bring the IPP > Implementor's Guide v2 to the "Prototype" state, we need to decide on the > scope of the IPP Implementor's Guide v2. > > > > Below is the outline of the document as it currently stands, with > separating space between each primary section. Please reply to comment on > its scope to recommend topic addition / change / removal, so we can discuss > via email. > > > > Thanks for any feedback! > > > > Smith > > > > /** > > Smith Kennedy > > Hewlett-Packard Co. > > */ > > > > > > 1. Introduction > > > > > > 2. Terminology > > 2.1 Conformance Terminology > > 2.2 Imaging Terminology > > 2.3 Other Terminology > > 2.4 Acronyms and Organizations > > > > > > 3. Requirements > > 3.1 Rationale > > 3.2 Use Cases > > 3.2.1 Developer Implementing IPP Client Support > > 3.2.2 Developer Implementing IPP Support in a New Printer > > 3.3 Out of Scope > > 3.4 Design Requirements > > > > > > 4. Tasks and Implementation Alternatives > > 4.1 Create A Relationship With A Printer > > 4.1.1 Discover And Select A Printer Via A Discovery Protocol > > 4.1.2 Select A Printer Via Static DNS Hostname, IPv6 Address Or IPv4 > Address > > 4.2 Validate User Access to Printer > > 4.3 Get Printer Information and Print Job Options > > 4.4 Check constraints between presented options > > 4.5 Submitting a Print Job > > 4.5.1 Submitting a Job with document data > > 4.5.2 Submitting a Job with document references > > 4.5.3 Handling Print Job Creation Errors > > 4.6 Monitoring print job status > > 4.7 Canceling a Print Job > > 4.8 Getting Printer supplies status > > > > > > 5. Using Attributes with IPP Operations > > 5.1 General Principles > > 5.1.1 IPP Client Recommendations > > 5.1.2 IPP Printer Recommendations > > 5.2 Explicit "document-format" Selection > > 5.2.1 IPP Client Recommendations > > 5.2.2 IPP Printer Recommendations > > 5.3 Prefer "media-col" Attribute To "media" Attribute > > 5.4 Specifying Finishings With "finishings-col", "finishings" and Others > > 5.4.1 IPP Client Recommendations > > 5.4.2 IPP Printer Recommendations > > 5.5 Controlling Intended Output Using "ipp-attribute-fidelity", > "job-mandatory-attributes", and "pdl-override-supported" > > 5.5.1 IPP Client Recommendations > > 5.5.2 IPP Printer Recommendations > > 5.6 Prefer "multiple-document-handling" For Copies Collation > > 5.7 Prefer Supplying Explicit "orientation-requested" Attribute > > 5.8 Evaluating Printer Capability Attributes > > 5.8.1 ipp-features-supported > > 5.8.2 xxx-supported > > 5.8.3 xxx-default > > 5.8.4 xxx-ready > > 5.8.5 job-creation-attributes-supported > > 5.8.6 printer-settable-attributes-supported > > 5.8.7 operations-supported > > 5.8.8 job-constraints-supported / job-resolvers-supported > > 5.8.9 media-col-database > > > > > > 6. IPP Object Status Attributes > > 6.1 Printer Status and Notifications > > 6.2 Job Status > > 6.3 Document Status > > > > > > 7. IPP Printer Best Practices > > 7.1 Resource URIs > > > > > > 8. HTTP Protocol Use > > 8.1 HTTP/1.1 Update > > 8.2 HTTP/1.1 Expect Header > > 8.2.1 HTTP Client > > 8.2.2 HTTP Server > > 8.3 "Host" Header Field > > 8.4 If-Modified-Since, Last-Modified, and 304 Not Modified > > 8.5 Cache-Control > > > > > > 9. Security Considerations > > 9.1 Client Security Considerations > > 9.1.1 HTTP/1.1 Expect Header > > 9.1.2 HTTP Upgrade (RFC 2817) > > 9.1.3 IPP Operations Used To Detect Authentication or Encryption > > 9.1.4 Using the "ipps:" URI Scheme > > 9.1.5 Document Encryption > > 9.2 Server Security Considerations > > 9.2.1 HTTP/1.1 Expect Header > > 9.2.2 Support for HTTP Upgrade (RFC 2817) > > 9.2.3 Support For The "ipps:" URI Scheme > > 9.2.4 Document Encryption > > > > > > 10. Important Implementation Options > > 10.1 Using "xxx-actual" attribute > > 10.2 Using "preferred-attributes" attribute > > > > > > 11. Internationalization Considerations > > 11.1 Client Considerations > > 11.2 Server Considerations > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ipp mailing list > > ipp@pwg.org > > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --001a1133d45826f9bf04f4d3c7fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
<= br>
I agree with Mike - if this is a PWG standards-track document, the= n there needs
to be a top-level section "Conformance Requirements&q= uot; and subsections for
"IPP Client Conformance Requirements" and "IPP Printer= Conformance
Requirements" (not exhaustive - just pointers to the = named sections elsewhere
that contain detailed conformance requirements)= .

See IPP 2.0 Second Edition (PWG 5100.12) for conformance exa= mples.

By recent tradition, we have done all the REQUIRED features i= n prototypes.
But PWG Process 3.0 does *not* hav= e a prototype definition that mandates
this coverage. 

For the IPP Implementors Guide v2, we might wa= nt to be less exhaustive (or
we may not get prototype reports, which wo= uld be counterproductive).

Cheers,
- Ira<= br>


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-= Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open = Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int= ernet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MI= B
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http:= //sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto: blue= roofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094=
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434=

<= /div>


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Michae= l Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
Smith,

I think as long as we have clients and printers that implement the good, be= tter, or best behaviors in sections 4-7 and the required bits in section 8,= then we can claim sufficient prototyping to advance the document to stable= status.

And it might make sense to add a Conformance Requirements section that spec= ifically states the minimum conformance requirements (which we can use/trea= t as minimum prototype requirements).


On Mar 10, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> Following up from our last conference call, in order to bring the IPP = Implementor’s Guide v2 to the “Prototype” state, we need = to decide on the scope of the IPP Implementor’s Guide v2.
>
> Below is the outline of the document as it currently stands, with sepa= rating space between each primary section.  Please reply to comment on= its scope to recommend topic addition / change / removal, so we can discus= s via email.
>
> Thanks for any feedback!
>
> Smith
>
> /**
>    Smith Kennedy
>    Hewlett-Packard Co.
> */
>
>
> 1. Introduction
>
>
> 2. Terminology
> 2.1 Conformance Terminology
> 2.2 Imaging Terminology
> 2.3 Other Terminology
> 2.4 Acronyms and Organizations
>
>
> 3. Requirements
> 3.1 Rationale
> 3.2 Use Cases
> 3.2.1 Developer Implementing IPP Client Support
> 3.2.2 Developer Implementing IPP Support in a New Printer
> 3.3 Out of Scope
> 3.4 Design Requirements
>
>
> 4. Tasks and Implementation Alternatives
> 4.1 Create A Relationship With A Printer
> 4.1.1 Discover And Select A Printer Via A Discovery Protocol
> 4.1.2 Select A Printer Via Static DNS Hostname, IPv6 Address Or IPv4 A= ddress
> 4.2 Validate User Access to Printer
> 4.3 Get Printer Information and Print Job Options
> 4.4 Check constraints between presented options
> 4.5 Submitting a Print Job
> 4.5.1 Submitting a Job with document data
> 4.5.2 Submitting a Job with document references
> 4.5.3 Handling Print Job Creation Errors
> 4.6 Monitoring print job status
> 4.7 Canceling a Print Job
> 4.8 Getting Printer supplies status
>
>
> 5. Using Attributes with IPP Operations
> 5.1 General Principles
> 5.1.1 IPP Client Recommendations
> 5.1.2 IPP Printer Recommendations
> 5.2 Explicit "document-format" Selection
> 5.2.1 IPP Client Recommendations
> 5.2.2 IPP Printer Recommendations
> 5.3 Prefer "media-col" Attribute To "media" Attrib= ute
> 5.4 Specifying Finishings With "finishings-col", "finis= hings" and Others
> 5.4.1 IPP Client Recommendations
> 5.4.2 IPP Printer Recommendations
> 5.5 Controlling Intended Output Using "ipp-attribute-fidelity&quo= t;, "job-mandatory-attributes", and "pdl-override-supported&= quot;
> 5.5.1 IPP Client Recommendations
> 5.5.2 IPP Printer Recommendations
> 5.6 Prefer "multiple-document-handling" For Copies Collation=
> 5.7 Prefer Supplying Explicit "orientation-requested" Attrib= ute
> 5.8 Evaluating Printer Capability Attributes
> 5.8.1 ipp-features-supported
> 5.8.2 xxx-supported
> 5.8.3 xxx-default
> 5.8.4 xxx-ready
> 5.8.5 job-creation-attributes-supported
> 5.8.6 printer-settable-attributes-supported
> 5.8.7 operations-supported
> 5.8.8 job-constraints-supported / job-resolvers-supported
> 5.8.9 media-col-database
>
>
> 6. IPP Object Status Attributes
> 6.1 Printer Status and Notifications
> 6.2 Job Status
> 6.3 Document Status
>
>
> 7. IPP Printer Best Practices
> 7.1 Resource URIs
>
>
> 8. HTTP Protocol Use
> 8.1 HTTP/1.1 Update
> 8.2 HTTP/1.1 Expect Header
> 8.2.1 HTTP Client
> 8.2.2 HTTP Server
> 8.3 "Host" Header Field
> 8.4 If-Modified-Since, Last-Modified, and 304 Not Modified
> 8.5 Cache-Control
>
>
> 9. Security Considerations
> 9.1 Client Security Considerations
> 9.1.1 HTTP/1.1 Expect Header
> 9.1.2 HTTP Upgrade (RFC 2817)
> 9.1.3 IPP Operations Used To Detect Authentication or Encryption
> 9.1.4 Using the "ipps:" URI Scheme
> 9.1.5 Document Encryption
> 9.2 Server Security Considerations
> 9.2.1 HTTP/1.1 Expect Header
> 9.2.2 Support for HTTP Upgrade (RFC 2817)
> 9.2.3 Support For The "ipps:" URI Scheme
> 9.2.4 Document Encryption
>
>
> 10. Important Implementation Options
> 10.1 Using "xxx-actual" attribute
> 10.2 Using “preferred-attributes” attribute
>
>
> 11. Internationalization Considerations
> 11.1 Client Considerations
> 11.2 Server Considerations
>
> _______________________________________________
> ipp mailing list
> ipp@pwg.org
> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


_______________________________________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
http= s://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp


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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=apple.com; s=mailout2048-14-01; t=1395161917; bh=nHcAXR8aH+4JNxN4F8pa2O9IAgxCafo2vtvP+rUbjH0=; h=Subject:From:In-reply-to:Date:Cc:References:To; b=mau2XM83iXvl18nTBheNvnXiE5jrqUmpE1v4cY9Uo2KKVbM2FoJ2Mcgf2pCyM93pX qX+hlsXmB+pJxsvS03YJ087s4OBnCLVY++RWiCIsNZSbkJhClEiV/vr/ENMXufZcUr jVsvXHVtRekSNEkAPF3pNeWzuDDxd9LFegvGM4EP66ZaHThMDDkuAzlPpbNt9l8ZWn iIKKPk0R76QqKQnMjRccPXoDQrYJv72bEQ1qIxmlr51UAbDE2MloEpqVhTYP6rWkat BukzpF1jfRmB96Dk37TdWdRCrYJEFtqPxRthdth1BNxO0m4Ife9Imhfb3HoM/Y0Zx+ 5cBnDmBocgQxQ== Cc: "" , "wims@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] [WIMS] Errata for PWG 5107.3: Printer MIB and IPP MFD Alerts X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0975966047==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0975966047== Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_083BB36C-CF7B-4BB6-BB1F-B1B780D7EDB0"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_083BB36C-CF7B-4BB6-BB1F-B1B780D7EDB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A09E1FC6-4358-4AF0-8353-1DAD87E5119E" --Apple-Mail=_A09E1FC6-4358-4AF0-8353-1DAD87E5119E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ira, Unfortunately, I know of existing implementations for these keywords, so = I don't think changing them to use "-fault" at the end is feasible. And = at least for all of the media feed keywords the "-error" suffix is = likely OK - feed errors generally require user interaction, so typically = the printer will be in the stopped state, meeting the requirements of = RFC 2911. An alternative is to add definitions of 'fax-modem-protocol-warning' and = 'fax-modem-protocol-report' and make the other keywords exclusively = report errors that stop the printer. The IANA registration could just = be for 'fax-modem-protocol' to match the other "printer-state-reasons" = registrations. On Mar 17, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Ira McDonald = wrote: > Hi Mike, >=20 > I suggest that we replace "-error" with "-fault" in all of these = printer state=20 > reasons. >=20 > If the current "-error" suffix is simply removed, the meaning of these = alerts > is lost. >=20 > BTW - normally, we couldn't change these names in the PrtAlertCodeTC=20= > textual convention in the IANA Printer MIB, because it's illegal under = SMIv2=20 > rules to change the name of an already assigned enumeration value. >=20 > HOWEVER - *none* of the PWG 5107.3 section 9.2 updates for = PrtAlertCodeTC > were ever registered with IANA - this fell through the cracks in = mid-2012. >=20 > SUGGESTION - we revise/update PWG 5107.3 and change the IPP and > IANA Printer MIB names from "-error" to "-fault" (or "Error" to = "Fault" in the > MIB) and correct or submit the IANA IPP and MIB registrations. >=20 > WDYT? >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 >=20 >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Michael Sweet = wrote: > All, >=20 > It was recently pointed out to me that PWG 5107.3 defines several = "printer-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error": >=20 > input-media-tray-feed-error > output-media-tray-feed-error > media-path-input-feed-error > media-path-output-feed-error > scan-media-path-input-feed-error > scan-media-path-output-feed-error > fax-modem-protocol-error >=20 > However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of = the reason: >=20 > 4.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) >=20 > This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail about = the > device's state. Some of the these value definitions indicate > conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL. >=20 > Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level of > severity. The three levels are: report (least severe), warning, = and > error (most severe). >=20 > - '-report': This suffix indicates that the reason is a = "report". > An implementation may choose to omit some or all reports. Some > reports specify finer granularity about the printer state; > others serve as a precursor to a warning. A report MUST = contain > nothing that could affect the printed output. > - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason is a > "warning". An implementation may choose to omit some or all > warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to an error. A warning > MUST contain nothing that prevents a job from completing, = though > in some cases the output may be of lower quality. > - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason is an "error". > An implementation MUST include all errors. If this attribute > contains one or more errors, printer MUST be in the stopped > state. >=20 > If the implementation does not add any one of the three suffixes, = all > parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error". >=20 > Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the = Printer is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative = note to table 3 saying something like the following: >=20 > Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer is in = the > stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" values ending > with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-report" or > "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the stopped > state. >=20 > I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons" = attribute only contains the registered values without added suffixes. >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > wims mailing list > wims@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/wims >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --Apple-Mail=_A09E1FC6-4358-4AF0-8353-1DAD87E5119E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Ira,

Unfortunately, I know of = existing implementations for these keywords, so I don't think changing = them to use "-fault" at the end is feasible.  And at least for all = of the media feed keywords the "-error" suffix is likely OK - feed = errors generally require user interaction, so typically the printer will = be in the stopped state, meeting the requirements of RFC = 2911.

An alternative is to add definitions of = 'fax-modem-protocol-warning' and 'fax-modem-protocol-report' and make = the other keywords exclusively report errors that stop the printer. =  The IANA registration could just be for 'fax-modem-protocol' to = match the other "printer-state-reasons" = registrations.


On Mar = 17, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hi = Mike,

I suggest that we replace "-error" with "-fault" in = all of these printer state
reasons.

If the = current "-error" suffix is simply removed, the meaning of these = alerts
is lost.

BTW - normally, we couldn't change these = names in the PrtAlertCodeTC
textual convention in the IANA Printer = MIB, because it's illegal under SMIv2
rules to change the name of an = already assigned enumeration value.

HOWEVER - *none* of the PWG 5107.3 section 9.2 updates = for PrtAlertCodeTC
were ever registered with IANA - this fell through = the cracks in mid-2012.

SUGGESTION - we = revise/update PWG 5107.3 and change the IPP and
IANA Printer MIB names from "-error" to "-fault" (or "Error" = to "Fault" in the
MIB) and correct or submit the IANA IPP = and MIB registrations.

WDYT?

Cheers,
- = Ira



Ira McDonald (Musician / Software = Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO = Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing = Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue = Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park = Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO = Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, = Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
All,

It was recently pointed out to me that PWG 5107.3 defines several = "printer-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error":

    input-media-tray-feed-error
    output-media-tray-feed-error
    media-path-input-feed-error
    media-path-output-feed-error
    scan-media-path-input-feed-error
    scan-media-path-output-feed-error
    fax-modem-protocol-error

However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of = the reason:

   4.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword)

   This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail = about the
   device's state.  Some of the these value definitions = indicate
   conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL.

   Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level = of
   severity.  The three levels are: report (least = severe), warning, and
   error (most severe).

      - '-report':  This suffix indicates that the = reason is a "report".
        An implementation may choose to omit some or = all reports. Some
        reports specify finer granularity about the = printer state;
        others serve as a precursor to a warning. A = report MUST contain
        nothing that could affect the printed = output.
      - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason = is a
        "warning".  An implementation may = choose to omit some or all
        warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to = an error. A warning
        MUST contain nothing that prevents a job = from completing, though
        in some cases the output may be of lower = quality.
      - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason = is an "error".
        An implementation MUST include all errors. = If this attribute
        contains one or more errors, printer MUST be = in the stopped
        state.

   If the implementation does not add any one of the three = suffixes, all
   parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error".

Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the = Printer is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative = note to table 3 saying something like the following:

    Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer = is in the
    stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" = values ending
    with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-report" = or
    "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the = stopped
    state.

I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons" = attribute only contains the registered values without added = suffixes.

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/wims



_________________________________________________________
Michael = Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG = Chair

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(128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay8.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 73.DD.05667.E1D98235; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 12:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.153.96.201] (unknown [17.153.96.201]) by aniseed.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01 (7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Nov 17 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0N2N00J0UCIJAT70@aniseed.apple.com> for ipp@pwg.org; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 12:23:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:23:09 -0400 Message-id: References: <9632F302-4270-4262-9B8A-C1406771B698@apple.com> To: Ira McDonald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrLLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAsris/VyPYYOonZotj+16yODB6zFs8 nSmAMYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoEro7khpuDUacaKdftfMDYwbt7M2MXIySEhYCIxZdUNVghbTOLC vfVsXYxcHEIC/UwS95taGCGc2UwSrV1TwaqEBTwknq9bDtbNK6AncebsL3aQImaBKYwSe76f ZAJJsAmoSfye1AfWwCkQLLG+dyNYnEVAVWLK6lcsIDazgKLEsul/WCEG2Uj82vmUHWJbM6PE 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boundary="Apple-Mail=_A6369D2F-20BE-4D7D-B79D-FB6408ADEE4E"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_A6369D2F-20BE-4D7D-B79D-FB6408ADEE4E Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F332426C-B24C-48FE-948C-2A84FB1A807A" --Apple-Mail=_F332426C-B24C-48FE-948C-2A84FB1A807A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ira, I'm not sure about adoption on these keywords (I've never seen them in = the wild), but I'm not keen on changing already-registered values. Upon further review/thought, it seems to me that the = xxx-recoverable-storage-error keywords could all have the -error, = -report, or -warning (as appropriate) suffixes, while the = xxx-unrecoverable-storage-error keywords all seem to require user = interaction and should stop the printer. So as an alternative to my = original proposal we could: - Register all xxx-recoverable-storage-error keywords as = xxx-recoverable-storage and note that implementations must choose the = correct suffix (-error, -report, -warning) as appropriate. - Keep the xxx-unrecoverable-storage-error keywords and note that the = printer must be in the stopped state when reporting them. The advantage is that existing implementations are unaffected, the = mapping from the MIBs to IPP remains "clean", and we set precedent for = printer-state-reasnos keywords: when registering a keyword with an = -error, -report, or -warning suffix, that is the only allowed suffix for = the keyword (no -error-error, -error-warning, etc.) (I'm not super happy about the resulting registered names, but once you = add a suffix the xxx-recoverable-storage-bla name sort of makes = sense...) On Mar 17, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Ira McDonald = wrote: > Hi Mike, >=20 > See my related reply about PWG 5107.3. >=20 > I suggest changing the IPP printer-state-reasons from "-error" to = "-fault". >=20 > WARNING - all of the PWG 5100.9 extensions *were* registered in the > IANA Printer MIB and SMIv2 rules prevent our changing the names of > already assigned enumeration values, so the possible fix is different=20= > from my suggested one for PWG 5107.3. >=20 > WARNING - vendors (printer and management systems) who have used > the previously assigned PWG 5107.3 or PWG 5100.9 names and values > in the Printer MIB will have breakage if we change these "Error" = suffixes > in the IANA Printer MIB. >=20 > I'll put this topic on the next IPP WG agenda for 31 March. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 > =20 >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Michael Sweet = wrote: > All, >=20 > It was recently pointed out to me that PWG 5100.9 defines several = "printer-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error": >=20 > subunit-recoverable-storage-error > subunit-unrecoverable-storage-error > bander-recoverable-storage-error > bander-unrecoverable-storage-error > binder-recoverable-storage-error > binder-unrecoverable-storage-error > die-cutter-recoverable-storage-error > die-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error > folder-recoverable-storage-error > folder-unrecoverable-storage-error > imprinter-recoverable-storage-error > imprinter-unrecoverable-storage-error > inserter-recoverable-storage-error > inserter-unrecoverable-storage-error > make-envelope-recoverable-storage-error > make-envelope-unrecoverable-storage-error > perforater-recoverable-storage-error > perforater-unrecoverable-storage-error > puncher-recoverable-storage-error > puncher-unrecoverable-storage-error > separation-cutter-recoverable-storage-error > separation-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error > sheet-rotator-recoverable-storage-error > sheet-rotator-unrecoverable-storage-error > slitter-recoverable-storage-error > slitter-unrecoverable-storage-error > stacker-recoverable-storage-error > stacker-unrecoverable-storage-error > stapler-recoverable-storage-error > stapler-unrecoverable-storage-error > stitcher-recoverable-storage-error > stitcher-unrecoverable-storage-error > trimmer-recoverable-storage-error > trimmer-unrecoverable-storage-error > wrapper-recoverable-storage-error > wrapper-unrecoverable-storage-error >=20 > However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of = the reason: >=20 > 4.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) >=20 > This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail about = the > device's state. Some of the these value definitions indicate > conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL. >=20 > Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level of > severity. The three levels are: report (least severe), warning, = and > error (most severe). >=20 > - '-report': This suffix indicates that the reason is a = "report". > An implementation may choose to omit some or all reports. Some > reports specify finer granularity about the printer state; > others serve as a precursor to a warning. A report MUST = contain > nothing that could affect the printed output. > - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason is a > "warning". An implementation may choose to omit some or all > warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to an error. A warning > MUST contain nothing that prevents a job from completing, = though > in some cases the output may be of lower quality. > - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason is an "error". > An implementation MUST include all errors. If this attribute > contains one or more errors, printer MUST be in the stopped > state. >=20 > If the implementation does not add any one of the three suffixes, = all > parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error". >=20 > Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the = Printer is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative = note to table 5-2 saying something like the following: >=20 > Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer is in = the > stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" values ending > with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-report" or > "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the stopped > state. >=20 > I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons" = attribute only contains the registered values without added suffixes. >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --Apple-Mail=_F332426C-B24C-48FE-948C-2A84FB1A807A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Ira,

I'm not sure about adoption = on these keywords (I've never seen them in the wild), but I'm not keen = on changing already-registered values.

Upon = further review/thought, it seems to me that the = xxx-recoverable-storage-error keywords could all have the -error, = -report, or -warning (as appropriate) suffixes, while the = xxx-unrecoverable-storage-error keywords all seem to require user = interaction and should stop the printer.  So as an alternative to = my original proposal we could:

- Register all = xxx-recoverable-storage-error keywords as xxx-recoverable-storage and = note that implementations must choose the correct suffix (-error, = -report, -warning) as appropriate.
- Keep the = xxx-unrecoverable-storage-error keywords and note that the printer must = be in the stopped state when reporting = them.

The advantage is that existing = implementations are unaffected, the mapping from the MIBs to IPP remains = "clean", and we set precedent for printer-state-reasnos keywords: when = registering a keyword with an -error, -report, or -warning suffix, that = is the only allowed suffix for the keyword (no -error-error, = -error-warning, etc.)

(I'm not super happy = about the resulting registered names, but once you add a suffix the = xxx-recoverable-storage-bla name sort of makes = sense...)


On Mar 17, 2014, at = 4:53 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hi Mike,

See my related reply about PWG = 5107.3.

I suggest changing the IPP printer-state-reasons = from "-error" to "-fault".

WARNING - all of the PWG 5100.9 extensions *were* registered = in the
IANA Printer MIB and SMIv2 rules prevent our changing = the names of
already assigned enumeration values, so the = possible fix is different
from my suggested one for PWG 5107.3.

WARNING - = vendors (printer and management systems) who have used
the = previously assigned PWG 5107.3 or PWG 5100.9 names and = values
in the Printer MIB will have breakage if we change these = "Error" suffixes
in the IANA Printer MIB.

I'll put this topic on the = next IPP WG agenda for 31 March.

Cheers,
- = Ira

 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software = Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - = Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer = Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol = WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High = North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:= blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  = 734-944-0094
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, = Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
All,

It was recently pointed out to me that PWG 5100.9 defines several = "printer-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error":

    subunit-recoverable-storage-error
    subunit-unrecoverable-storage-error
    bander-recoverable-storage-error
    bander-unrecoverable-storage-error
    binder-recoverable-storage-error
    binder-unrecoverable-storage-error
    die-cutter-recoverable-storage-error
    die-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error
    folder-recoverable-storage-error
    folder-unrecoverable-storage-error
    imprinter-recoverable-storage-error
    imprinter-unrecoverable-storage-error
    inserter-recoverable-storage-error
    inserter-unrecoverable-storage-error
    make-envelope-recoverable-storage-error
    make-envelope-unrecoverable-storage-error
    perforater-recoverable-storage-error
    perforater-unrecoverable-storage-error
    puncher-recoverable-storage-error
    puncher-unrecoverable-storage-error
    separation-cutter-recoverable-storage-error
    separation-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error
    sheet-rotator-recoverable-storage-error
    sheet-rotator-unrecoverable-storage-error
    slitter-recoverable-storage-error
    slitter-unrecoverable-storage-error
    stacker-recoverable-storage-error
    stacker-unrecoverable-storage-error
    stapler-recoverable-storage-error
    stapler-unrecoverable-storage-error
    stitcher-recoverable-storage-error
    stitcher-unrecoverable-storage-error
    trimmer-recoverable-storage-error
    trimmer-unrecoverable-storage-error
    wrapper-recoverable-storage-error
    wrapper-unrecoverable-storage-error

However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of = the reason:

   4.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword)

   This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail = about the
   device's state.  Some of the these value definitions = indicate
   conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL.

   Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level = of
   severity.  The three levels are: report (least = severe), warning, and
   error (most severe).

      - '-report':  This suffix indicates that the = reason is a "report".
        An implementation may choose to omit some or = all reports. Some
        reports specify finer granularity about the = printer state;
        others serve as a precursor to a warning. A = report MUST contain
        nothing that could affect the printed = output.
      - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason = is a
        "warning".  An implementation may = choose to omit some or all
        warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to = an error. A warning
        MUST contain nothing that prevents a job = from completing, though
        in some cases the output may be of lower = quality.
      - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason = is an "error".
        An implementation MUST include all errors. = If this attribute
        contains one or more errors, printer MUST be = in the stopped
        state.

   If the implementation does not add any one of the three = suffixes, all
   parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error".

Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the = Printer is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative = note to table 5-2 saying something like the following:

    Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer = is in the
    stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" = values ending
    with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-report" = or
    "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the = stopped
    state.

I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons" = attribute only contains the registered values without added = suffixes.

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bh=yYuDY3lOZOUWfdZnijQH+ceRn6n9jmMosrXoB5nO6rM=; b=V355rZgmGkjHSwQS+3tkJIx/0QbihoSytN+WkoZu/o0BQlQ03+m9LX5Oo9QTrDTLef jW2u+WC8CBwwiR+y4v0+C6Ni1OlhGRGTWKzTOrKD1wDsnW8BE23qlIr0Ov+7cT/ui1Sx M/KyfL7Ls4xKfljZiutB2q29yOEHN5A9EHrX0CEjQBqNH/08L6U1FsVFzY1oRNrSOW/S FvxWlMxCkU73L/xHtBqVp84RgmWMVHnU4hIOnqeVCcsSsPaFXKQc6F2D3+v/GK4JUF8w 8UcCmKXiuKow9oCiM9ZcUmJS4oc7plsq3kPIj+baUI8/MMzISLWMJvq5l6jt7MGEEKVJ HcFw== X-Received: by 10.43.145.137 with SMTP id ju9mr26393088icc.36.1395173728387; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 13:15:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.168.100 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Mar 2014 13:15:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9632F302-4270-4262-9B8A-C1406771B698@apple.com> From: Ira McDonald Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:15:07 -0400 Message-ID: To: Michael Sweet , Ira McDonald Cc: "" Subject: Re: [IPP] Errata: PWG 5100.9: IPP Printer State Extensions v1.0 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2092831727==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============2092831727== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2e2b87b08bc04f4e73247 --001a11c2e2b87b08bc04f4e73247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Mike, I like your revised proposal better. For the future, we should always use the suffix "Fault" in IANA Printer MIB and "-fault" in IPP when new alerts need it for clarity (so that the IPP and Printer MIB equivalents for severity can be used). The "Error" suffix in PWG 5100.9 in IANA Printer MIB was a mistake (now 5 years old, sadly), because the separate prtAlertSeverityLevel object must always distinguish between and "critical" and "warning" (there is no such thing as "report" in the Printer MIB, which is an original RFC 1759 bug). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Ira, > > I'm not sure about adoption on these keywords (I've never seen them in the > wild), but I'm not keen on changing already-registered values. > > Upon further review/thought, it seems to me that the > xxx-recoverable-storage-error keywords could all have the -error, -report, > or -warning (as appropriate) suffixes, while the > xxx-unrecoverable-storage-error keywords all seem to require user > interaction and should stop the printer. So as an alternative to my > original proposal we could: > > - Register all xxx-recoverable-storage-error keywords as > xxx-recoverable-storage and note that implementations must choose the > correct suffix (-error, -report, -warning) as appropriate. > - Keep the xxx-unrecoverable-storage-error keywords and note that the > printer must be in the stopped state when reporting them. > > The advantage is that existing implementations are unaffected, the mapping > from the MIBs to IPP remains "clean", and we set precedent for > printer-state-reasnos keywords: when registering a keyword with an -error, > -report, or -warning suffix, that is the only allowed suffix for the > keyword (no -error-error, -error-warning, etc.) > > (I'm not super happy about the resulting registered names, but once you > add a suffix the xxx-recoverable-storage-bla name sort of makes sense...) > > > On Mar 17, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > See my related reply about PWG 5107.3. > > I suggest changing the IPP printer-state-reasons from "-error" to "-fault". > > WARNING - all of the PWG 5100.9 extensions *were* registered in the > IANA Printer MIB and SMIv2 rules prevent our changing the names of > already assigned enumeration values, so the possible fix is different > from my suggested one for PWG 5107.3. > > WARNING - vendors (printer and management systems) who have used > the previously assigned PWG 5107.3 or PWG 5100.9 names and values > in the Printer MIB will have breakage if we change these "Error" suffixes > in the IANA Printer MIB. > > I'll put this topic on the next IPP WG agenda for 31 March. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > >> All, >> >> It was recently pointed out to me that PWG 5100.9 defines several >> "printer-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error": >> >> subunit-recoverable-storage-error >> subunit-unrecoverable-storage-error >> bander-recoverable-storage-error >> bander-unrecoverable-storage-error >> binder-recoverable-storage-error >> binder-unrecoverable-storage-error >> die-cutter-recoverable-storage-error >> die-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error >> folder-recoverable-storage-error >> folder-unrecoverable-storage-error >> imprinter-recoverable-storage-error >> imprinter-unrecoverable-storage-error >> inserter-recoverable-storage-error >> inserter-unrecoverable-storage-error >> make-envelope-recoverable-storage-error >> make-envelope-unrecoverable-storage-error >> perforater-recoverable-storage-error >> perforater-unrecoverable-storage-error >> puncher-recoverable-storage-error >> puncher-unrecoverable-storage-error >> separation-cutter-recoverable-storage-error >> separation-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error >> sheet-rotator-recoverable-storage-error >> sheet-rotator-unrecoverable-storage-error >> slitter-recoverable-storage-error >> slitter-unrecoverable-storage-error >> stacker-recoverable-storage-error >> stacker-unrecoverable-storage-error >> stapler-recoverable-storage-error >> stapler-unrecoverable-storage-error >> stitcher-recoverable-storage-error >> stitcher-unrecoverable-storage-error >> trimmer-recoverable-storage-error >> trimmer-unrecoverable-storage-error >> wrapper-recoverable-storage-error >> wrapper-unrecoverable-storage-error >> >> However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of the >> reason: >> >> 4.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) >> >> This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail about the >> device's state. Some of the these value definitions indicate >> conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL. >> >> Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level of >> severity. The three levels are: report (least severe), warning, and >> error (most severe). >> >> - '-report': This suffix indicates that the reason is a "report". >> An implementation may choose to omit some or all reports. Some >> reports specify finer granularity about the printer state; >> others serve as a precursor to a warning. A report MUST contain >> nothing that could affect the printed output. >> - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason is a >> "warning". An implementation may choose to omit some or all >> warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to an error. A warning >> MUST contain nothing that prevents a job from completing, though >> in some cases the output may be of lower quality. >> - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason is an "error". >> An implementation MUST include all errors. If this attribute >> contains one or more errors, printer MUST be in the stopped >> state. >> >> If the implementation does not add any one of the three suffixes, all >> parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error". >> >> Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the >> Printer is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative note >> to table 5-2 saying something like the following: >> >> Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer is in the >> stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" values ending >> with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-report" or >> "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the stopped >> state. >> >> I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons" attribute >> only contains the registered values without added suffixes. >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > --001a11c2e2b87b08bc04f4e73247 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike,

I like your revis= ed proposal better.

For the future, we should always use= the suffix "Fault" in IANA Printer MIB
and "-fault"= in IPP when new alerts need it for clarity (so that the IPP and
Printer MIB equivalents for severity can be used).

The "Error" suffix in PWG 5100.9 in IANA Printer MIB w= as a mistake (now
5 years old, sadly), because the separate prtAlertSev= erityLevel object must
always distinguish between and "critical" and "warning"= (there is no such
thing as "report" in the Printer MIB, whic= h is an original RFC 1759 bug).

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-C= hair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open P= rinting WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int= ernet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MI= B
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http:= //sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto: blue= roofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer= =A0 PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
Ira,

I'm not sur= e about adoption on these keywords (I've never seen them in the wild), = but I'm not keen on changing already-registered values.

Upon further review/thought, it seems to me that the xxx-recover= able-storage-error keywords could all have the -error, -report, or -warning= (as appropriate) suffixes, while the xxx-unrecoverable-storage-error keywo= rds all seem to require user interaction and should stop the printer. =A0So= as an alternative to my original proposal we could:

- Register all xxx-recoverable-storage-error keywords a= s xxx-recoverable-storage and note that implementations must choose the cor= rect suffix (-error, -report, -warning) as appropriate.
- Keep th= e xxx-unrecoverable-storage-error keywords and note that the printer must b= e in the stopped state when reporting them.

The advantage is that existing implementations are unaf= fected, the mapping from the MIBs to IPP remains "clean", and we = set precedent for printer-state-reasnos keywords: when registering a keywor= d with an -error, -report, or -warning suffix, that is the only allowed suf= fix for the keyword (no -error-error, -error-warning, etc.)

(I'm not super happy about the resulting registered= names, but once you add a suffix the xxx-recoverable-storage-bla name sort= of makes sense...)


On Mar 17, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:=

Hi Mike,

See my related rep= ly about PWG 5107.3.

I suggest changing the IPP printer-state-= reasons from "-error" to "-fault".

WARNING - all of the PWG 5100.9 extensions *were* registered in t= he
IANA Printer MIB and SMIv2 rules prevent our changing the names= of
already assigned enumeration values, so the possible fix is di= fferent
from my suggested one for PWG 5107.3.

WARNING - vendors = (printer and management systems) who have used
the previously assi= gned PWG 5107.3 or PWG 5100.9 names and values
in the Printer MIB = will have breakage if we change these "Error" suffixes
in the IANA Printer MIB.

I'll put this topic on the = next IPP WG agenda for 31 March.

Cheers,
- Ira
=A0

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Ch= air - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Pr= inting WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE= -ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High No= rth Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/bluero= ofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto: blue= roofmusic@gmail.com
Winter=A0 579 Park Place=A0 Saline, MI=A0 48176=A0 734-944-0094
Summer=A0= PO Box 221=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=A0 906-494-2434



On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Michael= Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
All,

It was recently pointed out to me that PWG 5100.9 defines several "pri= nter-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error":

=A0 =A0 subunit-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 subunit-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 bander-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 bander-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 binder-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 binder-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 die-cutter-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 die-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 folder-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 folder-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 imprinter-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 imprinter-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 inserter-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 inserter-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 make-envelope-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 make-envelope-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 perforater-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 perforater-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 puncher-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 puncher-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 separation-cutter-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 separation-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 sheet-rotator-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 sheet-rotator-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 slitter-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 slitter-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 stacker-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 stacker-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 stapler-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 stapler-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 stitcher-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 stitcher-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 trimmer-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 trimmer-unrecoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 wrapper-recoverable-storage-error
=A0 =A0 wrapper-unrecoverable-storage-error

However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of the r= eason:

=A0 =A04.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword)

=A0 =A0This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail about the=
=A0 =A0device's state. =A0Some of the these value definitions indicate<= br> =A0 =A0conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL.

=A0 =A0Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level of
=A0 =A0severity. =A0The three levels are: report (least severe), warning, a= nd
=A0 =A0error (most severe).

=A0 =A0 =A0 - '-report': =A0This suffix indicates that the reason i= s a "report".
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 An implementation may choose to omit some or all reports. S= ome
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 reports specify finer granularity about the printer state;<= br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 others serve as a precursor to a warning. A report MUST con= tain
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 nothing that could affect the printed output.
=A0 =A0 =A0 - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason is = a
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 "warning". =A0An implementation may choose to omi= t some or all
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to an error. A warn= ing
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 MUST contain nothing that prevents a job from completing, t= hough
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 in some cases the output may be of lower quality.
=A0 =A0 =A0 - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason is an= "error".
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 An implementation MUST include all errors. If this attribut= e
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 contains one or more errors, printer MUST be in the stopped=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 state.

=A0 =A0If the implementation does not add any one of the three suffixes, al= l
=A0 =A0parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error".

Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the Printer = is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative note to table = 5-2 saying something like the following:

=A0 =A0 Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer is in th= e
=A0 =A0 stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" valu= es ending
=A0 =A0 with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-re= port" or
=A0 =A0 "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the = stopped
=A0 =A0 state.

I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons&quo= t; attribute only contains the registered values without added suffixes.
_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


_______________________________________________
ipp mailing list
ipp@pwg.org
http= s://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp



_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet,= Senior Printing System=A0Engineer, PWG Chair


--001a11c2e2b87b08bc04f4e73247-- --===============2092831727== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============2092831727==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Mar 20 12:10:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7522B1A042C for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:10:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AC_DIV_BONANZA=0.001, BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.428, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nIyzg1UaZmNv for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C2F1A074E for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596B6849F; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 19:31:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.50]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D69358423 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 19:31:29 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from relay7.apple.com ([17.128.113.101]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.30.0 64bit (built Oct 22 2013)) with ESMTP id <0N2R008R618ESW90@mail-out.apple.com> for ipp@pwg.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807165-f79076d0000015d9-08-532b3cfeabce Received: from orrisroot.apple.com (orrisroot.apple.com [17.128.115.106]) (using TLS with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay7.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 3F.5A.05593.EFC3B235; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.153.37.122] (unknown [17.153.37.122]) by orrisroot.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01 (7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Nov 17 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0N2R00GUV18CYK10@orrisroot.apple.com> for ipp@pwg.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 15:09:47 -0400 Message-id: References: <9632F302-4270-4262-9B8A-C1406771B698@apple.com> To: Ira McDonald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrDLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FCcpfvPRjvY4MgbE4tj+16yODB6zFs8 nSmAMYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoErY+fTb6wFcz8wVkxYENXA+PIKYxcjJ4eEgInEpXWHWSBsMYkL 99azdTFycQgJTGGSmNM9kRXCmc8kcXntD3aQKmEBD4nn65aDdfMK6EmcOfuLHaSIWWAKo8S0 awvARrEJqEn8ntTHCmJzCgRL/Gp8A2azCKhKNDQ2gdnMAooSy6b/AbI5gAbZSHz5wwGx7C+j xNV73xhB4iICWhJLnitCXCcr8ehDE8sERv5ZSFbPQrZ6FtjYJImtDYvYIWxtiWULXzND2HoS L5veQcXlJba/nQMV15W4uG4SI4RtKvHk7XY2CNta4uecR1BxRYkp3Q/ZFzByrWIUKErNSaw0 10ssKMhJ1UvOz93ECI6HwtQdjI3LrQ4xCnAwKvHwVnJqBwuxJpYVV+YeYlQBGvFow+oLjFIs efl5qUoivNd0gdK8KYmVValF+fFFpTmpxYcYpTlYlMR5nxoBpQTSE0tSs1NTC1KLYLJMHJxS DYzT3l0pXTLpncXPBYaWrYd2nZfw/L9366T9hhOaru0oXC+732ByZsP7IKV97okZrdu2Bv2Y mPR40rWrNUd5jAIFQ2YpLYxQn8v+bduW0h9h2RbJgZe3xzolXW/SmiDwrnhvpGZh7IM0uUbh mwazXhbNDjidHHksZd8/Y/GXegk3Gqe2Xf5ka8CvxFKckWioxVxUnAgABZIhJY8CAAA= Cc: "" Subject: Re: [IPP] Errata: PWG 5100.9: IPP Printer State Extensions v1.0 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1855454797==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1855454797== Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7C41B594-E968-4597-BC78-7012467C4BD2"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_7C41B594-E968-4597-BC78-7012467C4BD2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6367259A-7C13-4C0F-B9CD-08215C9B793C" --Apple-Mail=_6367259A-7C13-4C0F-B9CD-08215C9B793C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 OK, I have updated the pending registrations at: http://www.pwg.org/ipp/ipp-registrations.xml with the proposed changes. On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:15 PM, Ira McDonald = wrote: > Hi Mike, >=20 > I like your revised proposal better. >=20 > For the future, we should always use the suffix "Fault" in IANA = Printer MIB > and "-fault" in IPP when new alerts need it for clarity (so that the = IPP and > Printer MIB equivalents for severity can be used). >=20 > The "Error" suffix in PWG 5100.9 in IANA Printer MIB was a mistake = (now=20 > 5 years old, sadly), because the separate prtAlertSeverityLevel object = must=20 > always distinguish between and "critical" and "warning" (there is no = such=20 > thing as "report" in the Printer MIB, which is an original RFC 1759 = bug). >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Michael Sweet = wrote: > Ira, >=20 > I'm not sure about adoption on these keywords (I've never seen them in = the wild), but I'm not keen on changing already-registered values. >=20 > Upon further review/thought, it seems to me that the = xxx-recoverable-storage-error keywords could all have the -error, = -report, or -warning (as appropriate) suffixes, while the = xxx-unrecoverable-storage-error keywords all seem to require user = interaction and should stop the printer. So as an alternative to my = original proposal we could: >=20 > - Register all xxx-recoverable-storage-error keywords as = xxx-recoverable-storage and note that implementations must choose the = correct suffix (-error, -report, -warning) as appropriate. > - Keep the xxx-unrecoverable-storage-error keywords and note that the = printer must be in the stopped state when reporting them. >=20 > The advantage is that existing implementations are unaffected, the = mapping from the MIBs to IPP remains "clean", and we set precedent for = printer-state-reasnos keywords: when registering a keyword with an = -error, -report, or -warning suffix, that is the only allowed suffix for = the keyword (no -error-error, -error-warning, etc.) >=20 > (I'm not super happy about the resulting registered names, but once = you add a suffix the xxx-recoverable-storage-bla name sort of makes = sense...) >=20 >=20 > On Mar 17, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Ira McDonald = wrote: >=20 >> Hi Mike, >>=20 >> See my related reply about PWG 5107.3. >>=20 >> I suggest changing the IPP printer-state-reasons from "-error" to = "-fault". >>=20 >> WARNING - all of the PWG 5100.9 extensions *were* registered in the >> IANA Printer MIB and SMIv2 rules prevent our changing the names of >> already assigned enumeration values, so the possible fix is different=20= >> from my suggested one for PWG 5107.3. >>=20 >> WARNING - vendors (printer and management systems) who have used >> the previously assigned PWG 5107.3 or PWG 5100.9 names and values >> in the Printer MIB will have breakage if we change these "Error" = suffixes >> in the IANA Printer MIB. >>=20 >> I'll put this topic on the next IPP WG agenda for 31 March. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> - Ira >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group >> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 >> Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Michael Sweet = wrote: >> All, >>=20 >> It was recently pointed out to me that PWG 5100.9 defines several = "printer-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error": >>=20 >> subunit-recoverable-storage-error >> subunit-unrecoverable-storage-error >> bander-recoverable-storage-error >> bander-unrecoverable-storage-error >> binder-recoverable-storage-error >> binder-unrecoverable-storage-error >> die-cutter-recoverable-storage-error >> die-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error >> folder-recoverable-storage-error >> folder-unrecoverable-storage-error >> imprinter-recoverable-storage-error >> imprinter-unrecoverable-storage-error >> inserter-recoverable-storage-error >> inserter-unrecoverable-storage-error >> make-envelope-recoverable-storage-error >> make-envelope-unrecoverable-storage-error >> perforater-recoverable-storage-error >> perforater-unrecoverable-storage-error >> puncher-recoverable-storage-error >> puncher-unrecoverable-storage-error >> separation-cutter-recoverable-storage-error >> separation-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error >> sheet-rotator-recoverable-storage-error >> sheet-rotator-unrecoverable-storage-error >> slitter-recoverable-storage-error >> slitter-unrecoverable-storage-error >> stacker-recoverable-storage-error >> stacker-unrecoverable-storage-error >> stapler-recoverable-storage-error >> stapler-unrecoverable-storage-error >> stitcher-recoverable-storage-error >> stitcher-unrecoverable-storage-error >> trimmer-recoverable-storage-error >> trimmer-unrecoverable-storage-error >> wrapper-recoverable-storage-error >> wrapper-unrecoverable-storage-error >>=20 >> However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of = the reason: >>=20 >> 4.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) >>=20 >> This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail about = the >> device's state. Some of the these value definitions indicate >> conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL. >>=20 >> Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level of >> severity. The three levels are: report (least severe), warning, = and >> error (most severe). >>=20 >> - '-report': This suffix indicates that the reason is a = "report". >> An implementation may choose to omit some or all reports. = Some >> reports specify finer granularity about the printer state; >> others serve as a precursor to a warning. A report MUST = contain >> nothing that could affect the printed output. >> - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason is a >> "warning". An implementation may choose to omit some or all >> warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to an error. A = warning >> MUST contain nothing that prevents a job from completing, = though >> in some cases the output may be of lower quality. >> - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason is an = "error". >> An implementation MUST include all errors. If this attribute >> contains one or more errors, printer MUST be in the stopped >> state. >>=20 >> If the implementation does not add any one of the three suffixes, = all >> parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error". >>=20 >> Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the = Printer is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative = note to table 5-2 saying something like the following: >>=20 >> Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer is in = the >> stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" values = ending >> with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-report" or >> "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the stopped >> state. >>=20 >> I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons" = attribute only contains the registered values without added suffixes. >>=20 >> _________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --Apple-Mail=_6367259A-7C13-4C0F-B9CD-08215C9B793C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 OK, I have updated the pending registrations at:


with the proposed changes.


On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:15 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mike,

I like your revised proposal better.

For the future, we should always use the suffix "Fault" in IANA Printer MIB
and "-fault" in IPP when new alerts need it for clarity (so that the IPP and
Printer MIB equivalents for severity can be used).

The "Error" suffix in PWG 5100.9 in IANA Printer MIB was a mistake (now
5 years old, sadly), because the separate prtAlertSeverityLevel object must
always distinguish between and "critical" and "warning" (there is no such
thing as "report" in the Printer MIB, which is an original RFC 1759 bug).

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
Ira,

I'm not sure about adoption on these keywords (I've never seen them in the wild), but I'm not keen on changing already-registered values.

Upon further review/thought, it seems to me that the xxx-recoverable-storage-error keywords could all have the -error, -report, or -warning (as appropriate) suffixes, while the xxx-unrecoverable-storage-error keywords all seem to require user interaction and should stop the printer.  So as an alternative to my original proposal we could:

- Register all xxx-recoverable-storage-error keywords as xxx-recoverable-storage and note that implementations must choose the correct suffix (-error, -report, -warning) as appropriate.
- Keep the xxx-unrecoverable-storage-error keywords and note that the printer must be in the stopped state when reporting them.

The advantage is that existing implementations are unaffected, the mapping from the MIBs to IPP remains "clean", and we set precedent for printer-state-reasnos keywords: when registering a keyword with an -error, -report, or -warning suffix, that is the only allowed suffix for the keyword (no -error-error, -error-warning, etc.)

(I'm not super happy about the resulting registered names, but once you add a suffix the xxx-recoverable-storage-bla name sort of makes sense...)


On Mar 17, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mike,

See my related reply about PWG 5107.3.

I suggest changing the IPP printer-state-reasons from "-error" to "-fault".

WARNING - all of the PWG 5100.9 extensions *were* registered in the
IANA Printer MIB and SMIv2 rules prevent our changing the names of
already assigned enumeration values, so the possible fix is different
from my suggested one for PWG 5107.3.

WARNING - vendors (printer and management systems) who have used
the previously assigned PWG 5107.3 or PWG 5100.9 names and values
in the Printer MIB will have breakage if we change these "Error" suffixes
in the IANA Printer MIB.

I'll put this topic on the next IPP WG agenda for 31 March.

Cheers,
- Ira

 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434



On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
All,

It was recently pointed out to me that PWG 5100.9 defines several "printer-state-reasons" keywords with the suffix "-error":

    subunit-recoverable-storage-error
    subunit-unrecoverable-storage-error
    bander-recoverable-storage-error
    bander-unrecoverable-storage-error
    binder-recoverable-storage-error
    binder-unrecoverable-storage-error
    die-cutter-recoverable-storage-error
    die-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error
    folder-recoverable-storage-error
    folder-unrecoverable-storage-error
    imprinter-recoverable-storage-error
    imprinter-unrecoverable-storage-error
    inserter-recoverable-storage-error
    inserter-unrecoverable-storage-error
    make-envelope-recoverable-storage-error
    make-envelope-unrecoverable-storage-error
    perforater-recoverable-storage-error
    perforater-unrecoverable-storage-error
    puncher-recoverable-storage-error
    puncher-unrecoverable-storage-error
    separation-cutter-recoverable-storage-error
    separation-cutter-unrecoverable-storage-error
    sheet-rotator-recoverable-storage-error
    sheet-rotator-unrecoverable-storage-error
    slitter-recoverable-storage-error
    slitter-unrecoverable-storage-error
    stacker-recoverable-storage-error
    stacker-unrecoverable-storage-error
    stapler-recoverable-storage-error
    stapler-unrecoverable-storage-error
    stitcher-recoverable-storage-error
    stitcher-unrecoverable-storage-error
    trimmer-recoverable-storage-error
    trimmer-unrecoverable-storage-error
    wrapper-recoverable-storage-error
    wrapper-unrecoverable-storage-error

However, RFC 2911 reserves this suffix for indicating the severity of the reason:

   4.4.12 printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword)

   This REQUIRED Printer attribute supplies additional detail about the
   device's state.  Some of the these value definitions indicate
   conformance requirements; the rest are OPTIONAL.

   Each keyword value MAY have a suffix to indicate its level of
   severity.  The three levels are: report (least severe), warning, and
   error (most severe).

      - '-report':  This suffix indicates that the reason is a "report".
        An implementation may choose to omit some or all reports. Some
        reports specify finer granularity about the printer state;
        others serve as a precursor to a warning. A report MUST contain
        nothing that could affect the printed output.
      - '-warning': This suffix indicates that the reason is a
        "warning".  An implementation may choose to omit some or all
        warnings. Warnings serve as a precursor to an error. A warning
        MUST contain nothing that prevents a job from completing, though
        in some cases the output may be of lower quality.
      - '-error': This suffix indicates that the reason is an "error".
        An implementation MUST include all errors. If this attribute
        contains one or more errors, printer MUST be in the stopped
        state.

   If the implementation does not add any one of the three suffixes, all
   parties MUST assume that the reason is an "error".

Since an IPP Printer MAY report any of the above keywords when the Printer is not in the stopped state, I propose we add an informative note to table 5-2 saying something like the following:

    Note 1: Section 4.4.12 [RFC2911] requires that the Printer is in the
    stopped state when reporting "printer-state-reasons" values ending
    with "-error". Printers MUST append a suffix of "-report" or
    "warning" to this keyword when the Printer is not in the stopped
    state.

I'm not sure if we want to clarify that the "job-state-reasons" attribute only contains the registered values without added suffixes.

_________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


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X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1346384664==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1346384664== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_000_B3E94892AE450142B7CB3D381CFF5142040CDE6F26NBMBX02bbneta_ --_000_B3E94892AE450142B7CB3D381CFF5142040CDE6F26NBMBX02bbneta_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you very much for your response, Mike. Please find my comments below = = with [Soma2]. =46rom: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 10:31 PM To: Soma Meiyappan Cc: Peter Zehler; IPP@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP Scan - Is Push scanning mandatory=3F (Apologies for the late reply; I am still working through a backlog of = email...) On Feb 19, 2014, at 4:22 AM, Soma Meiyappan = > wrote: ... [Soma] When US federal TCPA law talks about fax headers/cover-page for fax = = machines/senders, should it be interpreted as being applicable for images = = transmitted through tel: and fax: schemes only and not to mailto:, ipp:, = etc..., which inherently involve digital formats with richer meta-data = capabilities=3F IANAL, but an application claiming to offer Internet Fax capabilities will = = likely be subject to the same regulations that traditional fax is subject = = to. Naturally this will depend on local laws and regulations, and certainl= y= if the destination is an ipp: or ipps: URI then the job ticket/accounting = = information can be passed out-of-band rather than embedded in the delivered= = images. [Soma2] Ok. It may be useful to add information related to headers in IPP = = =46axOut documents. But I can understand if as a standard, IPP does not wan= t= to talk about this as it is subject to local laws and regulation. Document sent using these digital formats can identify the sender through a= = username that is embedded in the file (be it a PDF, TIFF or JPEG). Generally speaking, we (the PWG) do not like embedding job ticket/accountin= g= information in the PDL. [Soma2] Sure. I was trying to imply that there are digital formats in which= = the originator's (sender's) information can be embedded within it as a = meta-data instead of as a fax header as the law's objective is for the = receiver to identify the sender. But if the assumption that all FaxOut = schemes will be subject to the same regulations as fax/tel is true, then = this does not matter anyways. If the IPP FaxOut specification should be interpreted such that the same = content (incl the header) should be sent to all destinations (irrespective = = of the destination scheme), then it makes the case for "push-scan" in IPP = = Scan stronger. I don't think we can require push scan support, as the hardware requirement= s= may preclude support on some printers (think: non-networked MFDs that = support IPP USB and the various IPP services...) And more to the point, = push scan can be simulated even by embedded/mobile devices that might be = used to initiate a scan. [Soma2] I am not implying that "Push scan" should be made mandatory. I agre= e= that push scan can still be simulated by using an external client to "scan= = and send". But as a standard, I would expect IPP-Scan to enable the OEMs to= = differentiate their in-machine's capabilities with built-in 'push scan' = =66unctions that can be initiated through a standard client. ... *If* there is a use case for discovery of fax services that can deliver = using a particular URI scheme, we could add a corresponding "Fax2" TXT key,= = however nobody has asked for it... (and FWIW, I would argue it would be = more useful than the Scan2 key, since at least then you are discovering a = = delivery capability that cannot be easily reproduced in software...) [Soma] If the case for PushScan exists and if a device supports it, then I = = can see Scan2 (or Fax2) in TXT record being useful especially with the = discovery features in Wifi-Direct/P2P and in a kiosk like environment where= = the IPP client may not have other network connectivity. WFDS has its own service descriptors and does not use Bonjour. At present,= = Bonjour is only used for Infrastructure Wi-Fi and wired networking, not P2P. [Soma2] Ok. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair Conexant E-mail Firewall (Conexant.Com) made the following annotations --------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************** Legal Disclaimer ****************************=20 "This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole = = use of the intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, use or distribution= = by others is strictly prohibited. If you have received the message in error= ,= please advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. 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Thank= you very much for your response, Mike. Please find my comments below with = = [Soma2].

 

From: Michael Swee= t= [mailto:msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 10:31 = PM
To: Soma Meiyappan
Cc: Peter Zehler; = IPP@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP Scan - Is Push scanning = mandatory=3F

 

(Apologies for = = the late reply; I am still working through a backlog of = email...)

 

On Fe= b= 19, 2014, at 4:22 AM, Soma Meiyappan <Soma.Meiyappan@conexant.com= >= wrote:

... 

[Soma]= When US federal TCPA law talks about fax headers/cover-page for fax = machines/senders, should it be interpreted as being applicable for images = = transmitted through tel: and fax: schemes only and not to mailto:, ipp:, = etc…, which inherently involve digital formats with richer meta-data = = capabilities=3F

 

IANAL, bu= t= an application claiming to offer Internet Fax capabilities will likely be = = subject to the same regulations that traditional fax is subject to. =  Naturally this will depend on local laws and regulations, and = certainly if the destination is an ipp: or ipps: URI then the job = ticket/accounting information can be passed out-of-band rather than embedde= d= in the delivered images.


[Soma2]= Ok. It may be useful to add information related to headers in IPP FaxOut = = documents. But I can understand if as a standard, IPP does not want to talk= = about this as it is subject to local laws and regulation.

 

Document= sent using these digital formats can identify the sender through a usernam= e= that is embedded in the file (be it a PDF, TIFF or JPEG). =

 

Generally= = speaking, we (the PWG) do not like embedding job ticket/accounting = information in the PDL.

 

[Soma2]= Sure. I was trying to imply that there are digital formats in which the = originator’s (sender’s) information can be embedded within it a= s= a meta-data instead of as a fax header as the law’s objective is for= = the receiver to identify the sender. But if the assumption that all FaxOut = = schemes will be subject to the same regulations as fax/tel is true, then = this does not matter anyways.

If= the IPP FaxOut specification should be interpreted such that the same = content (incl the header) should be sent to all destinations (irrespective = = of the  destination scheme), then it makes the case for = “push-scan” in IPP Scan stronger. =

 

I don't = = think we can require push scan support, as the hardware requirements may = preclude support on some printers (think: non-networked MFDs that support = = IPP USB and the various IPP services...)  And more to the point, push = = scan can be simulated even by embedded/mobile devices that might be used to= = initiate a scan.


[Soma2]= I am not implying that “Push scan” should be made mandatory. I= = agree that push scan can still be simulated by using an external client to = = “scan and send”. But as a standard, I would expect IPP-Scan to = = enable the OEMs to differentiate their in-machine’s capabilities with= = built-in ‘push scan’ functions that can be initiated through a = = standard client.

 

... 

*If* there is a use case for discovery of fax services = = that can deliver using a particular URI scheme, we could add a correspondin= g= "Fax2" TXT key, however nobody has asked for it...  (and = =46WIW, I would argue it would be more useful than the Scan2 key, since at = = least then you are discovering a delivery capability that cannot be easily = = reproduced in software...)

[Soma]= If the case for PushScan exists and if a device supports it, then I can se= e= Scan2 (or Fax2) in TXT record being useful especially with the discovery = = =66eatures in Wifi-Direct/P2P and in a kiosk like environment where the IPP= = client may not have other network connectivity. =

 

WFDS has = = its own service descriptors and does not use Bonjour.  At present, = Bonjour is only used for Infrastructure Wi-Fi and wired networking, not = P2P.

 

[Soma2]= Ok.

________________________________________________= _________
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It would make sense that PUT is implied. Should the = specification explicitly exclude RESTful methods from this and define = another mechanism for identifying the supported destinations that are = RESTful in nature=3F Regards, Somasundaram. =46rom: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of = Zehler, Peter Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:10 PM To: IPP@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Prototype version of IPP Scan Service specification available All, I have posted the prototype version of "IPP Scan Service. Send any comment= s= to the IPP mail list. We are looking for companies interested in = prototyping this specification =66tp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.pdf http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.pdf =66tp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.docx http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.docx =66tp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.pdf http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.pdf =66tp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.docx http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.docx Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 =46AX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. 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Hi Pete,

 

Minor detail on the = ‘http’/’https’ scheme for = Scan2:

 

http is a transport for a = = number of application level protocols: One can use that to refer to standar= d= PUT method or a RESTful method to store data on the destination. It would = = make sense that PUT is implied. Should the specification explicitly exclude= = RESTful methods from this and define another mechanism for identifying the = = supported destinations that are RESTful in nature=3F

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Regards,

Somasundaram.

 

From: = ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler= ,= Peter
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:10 PM
To: = IPP@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] Prototype version of IPP Scan Service = = specification available

 

All,

I have posted the= = prototype version of “IPP Scan Service.  Send any comments to th= e= IPP mail list.  We are looking for companies interested in prototypin= g= this specification

 

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It would make sense that PUT is implied. = Should the specification explicitly exclude RESTful methods from this = and define another mechanism for identifying the supported destinations = that are RESTful in nature? We've never fully-specified how HTTP/HTTPS URIs are used, in SM or IPP. It would be useful to say something here ("http" and "https" refer to = destinations that support the HTTP PUT method using only standard HTTP = headers), since POST requests will likely have specific header and/or = message body requirements we aren't prepared to deal with. Conceptually = new "http+post" and "https+post" URI schemes could be defined that allow = for HTTP POST usage, although that would be a bit trickier. How about adding a "destination-uri-ready (1setOf uri)" (or 1setOf = collection to allow for a description/name along with the URI) attribute = to list ready/configured destinations? Conceptually that would support = typical workflow scenarios and allow the service to be configured for = different HTTP protocol bindings. Specifying a URI that hasn't been = pre-configured would revert to HTTP PUT. Thoughts? (FWIW, the same could be done for document-uri's - that would support = forms and other predefined content and make print-by-reference more = useful) > =20 > Regards, > Somasundaram. > =20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of = Zehler, Peter > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:10 PM > To: IPP@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Prototype version of IPP Scan Service specification = available > =20 > All, > I have posted the prototype version of =93IPP Scan Service. Send any = comments to the IPP mail list. We are looking for companies interested = in prototyping this specification > =20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.pdf =20 > http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.pdf =20 > =20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.docx =20 > http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.docx =20 > =20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.pdf =20 > http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.pdf > =20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.docx =20 > http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.docx =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 > =20 > =20 > Conexant E-mail Firewall (Conexant.Com) made the following annotations > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ********************** Legal Disclaimer ****************************=20= >=20 > "This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the = sole use of the intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, use or = distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you have received the = message in error, please advise the sender by reply email and delete the = message. Thank you."=20 >=20 > **********************************************************************=20= >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --Apple-Mail=_B20EAAE4-8189-4E2E-9296-2F0DB5D03369 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Soma,

On Mar 21, 2014, at 7:14 AM, = Soma Meiyappan <Soma.Meiyappan@conexant.com> wrote:

We've never = fully-specified how HTTP/HTTPS URIs are used, in SM or = IPP.






 

Regards,

Somasundaram.

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org = [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] = On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 = 10:10 PM
To: IPP@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] = Prototype version of IPP Scan Service specification = available

 

All,

I have = posted the prototype version of =93IPP Scan Service.  Send any = comments to the IPP mail list.  We are looking for companies = interested in prototyping this specification

 

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Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

 

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mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id rl12so2920512iec.36 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:03:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=JgSSOvKOvvkfG9ZOuhSzMkVHTXdKugWsMe+eT2+VEos=; b=S/Q3mbCVR/tRjbLAByvQjG5TZU2oTeD7xWEF8utzLTD2rhB38ZOKTl41D4G9qrmBg2 /Osy2FsErfHQGRcMY/YFL+b9pvgjf1kZ7tO5BwLKLYfH7yBU1poohwgFOSs+TfmfWiHg 1AI1bPSEBmvxW8i2JJun+Ie6mUm7WvTloBNBjT4kX01fZlMtQjazwFpODIATLmNjdpmK lQdjZun1KLPzPtGRFzINYOhtvollUKxf8hl51aBEtZ4atzqtPQQG86Gwbw0N5OYQUp5j TDTlkKWUHx9CjURhngV3lJ3Zdw5gA6m7JCenZhgsMDnm/mhxJNCIbUJFJHZcepRpf62m +JOg== X-Received: by 10.50.253.227 with SMTP id ad3mr4490198igd.23.1395428591203; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:03:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.168.100 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:02:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ira McDonald Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 15:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: To: Soma Meiyappan , Ira McDonald Cc: "IPP@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] Prototype version of IPP Scan Service specification available X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1794223801==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1794223801== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134b51a7d201104f522896d --001a1134b51a7d201104f522896d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I don't like "destination-uri-ready" at all. It doesn't scale. It doesn't add any visible utility. It's actively a bad idea for IPP Everywhere as a pervasive print protocol. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Soma Meiyappan < Soma.Meiyappan@conexant.com> wrote: > Hi Mike, > > destination-uri-ready (1 setOf collection) sounds like an useful attribute. > > It may be useful even for IPP and IPPS schemes (both in FaxOut and Scan) > and we could add attributes for authentication (incl password digest/token > type(s), MFD managed/user provided) as required. For every destination-uri > in Job attributes, we could also specify optional fields for authentication > (user, password, password-type). If we start dealing with authentication > information here, I'd think that we should strongly recommend that only > IPPS clients send authentication information. > > One may consider the security aspect of the user providing authentication > information for a third party service to the MFD; but we can imagine those > third party services generating OTP tokens for use here. > > Regards, > Somasundaram. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From: *Michael Sweet [msweet@apple.com] > *Sent: *Friday, March 21, 2014 06:40 AM Pacific Standard Time > *To: *Soma Meiyappan > *Cc: *Peter Zehler; IPP@pwg.org > *Subject: *Re: [IPP] Prototype version of IPP Scan Service specification > available > > Soma, > > On Mar 21, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Soma Meiyappan > wrote: > > Hi Pete, > > > > Minor detail on the 'http'/'https' scheme for Scan2: > > > > http is a transport for a number of application level protocols: One can > use that to refer to standard PUT method or a RESTful method to store data > on the destination. It would make sense that PUT is implied. Should the > specification explicitly exclude RESTful methods from this and define > another mechanism for identifying the supported destinations that are > RESTful in nature? > > > We've never fully-specified how HTTP/HTTPS URIs are used, in SM or IPP. > > It would be useful to say something here ("http" and "https" refer to > destinations that support the HTTP PUT method using only standard HTTP > headers), since POST requests will likely have specific header and/or > message body requirements we aren't prepared to deal with. Conceptually > new "http+post" and "https+post" URI schemes could be defined that allow > for HTTP POST usage, although that would be a bit trickier. > > How about adding a "destination-uri-ready (1setOf uri)" (or 1setOf > collection to allow for a description/name along with the URI) attribute to > list ready/configured destinations? Conceptually that would support > typical workflow scenarios and allow the service to be configured for > different HTTP protocol bindings. Specifying a URI that hasn't been > pre-configured would revert to HTTP PUT. > > Thoughts? > > (FWIW, the same could be done for document-uri's - that would support > forms and other predefined content and make print-by-reference more useful) > > > > > Regards, > > Somasundaram. > > > > *From:* ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] > *On Behalf Of* Zehler, Peter > *Sent:* Monday, March 03, 2014 10:10 PM > *To:* IPP@pwg.org > *Subject:* [IPP] Prototype version of IPP Scan Service specification > available > > > > All, > > I have posted the prototype version of "IPP Scan Service. Send any > comments to the IPP mail list. We are looking for companies interested in > prototyping this specification > > > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.pdf > > http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.pdf > > > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.docx > > http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.docx > > > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.pdf > > http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.pdf > > > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.docx > > http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.docx > > > > > > > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 > > > > > > Conexant E-mail Firewall (Conexant.Com) made the following annotations > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ********************** Legal Disclaimer **************************** > > "This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole > use of the intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, use or distribution > by others is strictly prohibited. If you have received the message in > error, please advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. > Thank you." > > ********************************************************************** > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --001a1134b51a7d201104f522896d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I don't like= "destination-uri-ready" at all.  It doesn't scale. = ; It doesn't add any
visible utility.  It's actively = a bad idea for IPP Everywhere as a pervasive
print protocol.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald= (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutio= ns WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer = Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
= IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High No= rth Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic=
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:
bluero= ofmusic@gmail.com
Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI = 48176  734-944-0094
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On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Soma M= eiyappan <Soma.Meiyappan@conexant.com> wrote:
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Hi Mike,

destination-uri-ready (1 setOf collection) sounds like an useful attribute.=

It may be useful even for IPP and IPPS schemes (both in FaxOut and Scan) an= d we could add attributes for authentication (incl password digest/token ty= pe(s), MFD managed/user provided) as required. For every destination-uri in= Job attributes, we could also specify optional fields for authentication (= user, password, password-type). If we start dealing with authentication inf= ormation here, I'd think that we should strongly recommend that only IP= PS clients send authentication information.

One may consider the security aspect of the user providing authentication i= nformation for a third party service to the MFD; but we can imagine those t= hird party services generating OTP tokens for use here.

Regards,
Somasundaram.




-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Sweet [msweet@apple.com]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 06:40 AM Pacific Standard Time
To: Soma Meiyappan
Cc: Peter Zehler; IPP@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Prototype version of IPP Scan Service specif= ication available

Soma,

On Mar 21, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Soma Meiyappan <Soma.Meiyappan@conexant.com&= gt; wrote:

Hi Pete,

 

Minor detail on the &l= squo;http’/’https’ scheme for Scan2:

 

http is a transport fo= r a number of application level protocols: One can use that to refer to sta= ndard PUT method or a RESTful method to store data on the destination. It w= ould make sense that PUT is implied. Should the specification explicitly ex= clude RESTful methods from this and define another mechanism for identifyin= g the supported destinations that are RESTful in nature?


We've never fully-specified how HTTP/HTTPS URIs are used, in SM or IPP.=

It would be useful to say something here ("http" and "h= ttps" refer to destinations that support the HTTP PUT method using onl= y standard HTTP headers), since POST requests will likely have specific hea= der and/or message body requirements we aren't prepared to deal with. &= nbsp;Conceptually new "http+post" and "https+post" URI = schemes could be defined that allow for HTTP POST usage, although that woul= d be a bit trickier.

How about adding a "destination-uri-ready (1setOf uri)" (or = 1setOf collection to allow for a description/name along with the URI) attri= bute to list ready/configured destinations?  Conceptually that would s= upport typical workflow scenarios and allow the service to be configured fo= r different HTTP protocol bindings.  Specifying a URI that hasn't = been pre-configured would revert to HTTP PUT.

Thoughts?

(FWIW, the same could be done for document-uri's - that would supp= ort forms and other predefined content and make print-by-reference more use= ful)


 

Regards,

Somasundaram.

 

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [= mailto:ipp-bounces= @pwg.org] On Behalf Of Zehler, Peter
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:10 PM
To: IPP@pwg.org=
Subject: [IPP] Prototype version of IPP Scan Service specification a= vailable

 

All,

I have posted the prototype version of “IPP Sc= an Service.  Send any comments to the IPP mail list.  We are look= ing for companies interested in prototyping this specification

 

ftp://ft= p.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.pdf  

http://= ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.pdf  

 

ftp://f= tp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.docx  

http:/= /ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227.docx  

 

ftp:= //ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.pdf  

htt= p://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.pdf

 

ftp= ://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.docx   

ht= tp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140227-rev.docx  

 

 

 

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It doesn't scale. It = doesn't add any > visible utility. It's actively a bad idea for IPP Everywhere as a = pervasive > print protocol. The "destination-uri-ready" attribute would *not* be used for Print = since there we specify destination with "printer-uri" and potentially = "output-device", and there we already have an "output-device-supported" = attribute that clients can use for fan-out services. However, for Scan, FaxOut, etc. where the destination is not specified = by the "printer-uri" attribute, it would give clients and way to tell = the Client about site-configured destinations, beyond the simple "you = can scan to email" kinds of things the current = "destination-uri-schemes-supported" attribute provides. There is also = precedent for such an attribute - JPS2 defines a similar = "save-location-supported (1setOf uri)" attribute for Job save. I am specifically thinking of Pete's workflow environment where the Scan = service might need to submit scanned documents to a local service - by = having an attribute that lists local bookmarks/presets the Client can = present this as a choice to the user beyond entering a URL or email = address. And it allows for implementation-specific things in the case = of HTTP, since there you might want something other than a bare PUT of = the document images. So, let's say we define "destination-uri-ready" as follows: destination-uri-ready (1setOf collection) destination-is-directory (boolean) [true if the URI refers to = a directory; Client adds /name to the end] destination-name (name(MAX)) [localized name of URI] destination-uri (uri) [destination-uri that can = be included in job creation request] And a Scan service reports: destination-uri-schemes-supported =3D "ftp", "http", "https", "ipp", = "ipps", "mailto", "smb" destination-uri-ready =3D { destination-is-directory=3Dtrue destination-name=3D"Archive" = destination=3D"http://storage.example.com/archives/" }, { destination-name=3D"OCR and Email" = destination=3D"ipps://ocr.example.com/ipp/ocr+email" }, { destination-name=3D"OCR and Archive" = destination=3D"https://storage.example.com/ocr" } The Client would then allow the user to enter a URI and/or email = address, or pick from one of the three "ready" destinations that have = been configured on the Scan service. It specifically would *not* be = used as an address book of all local email addresses - that's what LDAP = is for. Instead, it is about Client discovery of local receiving = services with implementation-specific configuration of those services by = a local owner/operator/administrator. .... The other attribute I proposed was "document-uri-ready", which would be = applicable to Print, EmailOut, and FaxOut, and could be a lightweight = way to expose document resources provided by the service or by other = local services, such as cover pages, brochures, and other standard = content that has been configured on the service. I am less enthusiastic about this attribute because practical = applications of print-by-reference tend to be tightly controlled/managed = in integrated solutions that have already "solved" this particular = discovery problem. That said, the same kind of solution could be = defined if there is interest... _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --Apple-Mail=_131ABD74-2427-48AE-99AF-312315D3D48C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Ira,

On Mar 21, 2014, at 3:02 PM, = Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> = wrote:
Hi,

I don't like = "destination-uri-ready" at all.  It doesn't scale.  It doesn't = add any
visible utility.  It's actively a bad idea for IPP = Everywhere as a pervasive
print = protocol.

The "destination-uri-ready" attribute would *not* be used for Print = since there we specify destination with "printer-uri" and potentially = "output-device", and there we already have an "output-device-supported" = attribute that clients can use for fan-out = services.

However, for Scan, FaxOut, etc. = where the destination is not specified by the "printer-uri" attribute, = it would give clients and way to tell the Client about site-configured = destinations, beyond the simple "you can scan to email" kinds of things = the current "destination-uri-schemes-supported" attribute provides. =  There is also precedent for such an attribute - JPS2 defines a = similar "save-location-supported (1setOf uri)" attribute for Job = save.

I am specifically thinking of Pete's = workflow environment where the Scan service might need to submit scanned = documents to a local service - by having an attribute that lists local = bookmarks/presets the Client can present this as a choice to the user = beyond entering a URL or email address.  And it allows for = implementation-specific things in the case of HTTP, since there you = might want something other than a bare PUT of the document = images.

So, let's say we define = "destination-uri-ready" as follows:

  =   destination-uri-ready (1setOf collection)
    =   destination-is-directory (boolean)      [true if = the URI refers to a directory; Client adds /name to the = end]
      destination-name (name(MAX))   =          [localized name of = URI]
      destination-uri (uri)     =               [destination-uri that = can be included in job creation request]

And a = Scan service reports:

    = destination-uri-schemes-supported =3D "ftp", "http", "https", "ipp", = "ipps", "mailto", "smb"
    destination-uri-ready = =3D
        { = destination-is-directory=3Dtrue destination-name=3D"Archive" = destination=3D"http://storage.example.com/a= rchives/" },
        { = destination-name=3D"OCR and Email" destination=3D"ipps://ocr.example.com/ipp/o= cr+email" },
        { = destination-name=3D"OCR and Archive" destination=3D"https://storage.example.com/ocr" }




=
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing = System Engineer, PWG Chair

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text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============1311027971==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Mar 28 05:06:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641BD1A0572 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 05:06:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.082 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.082 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.428, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KqS0Sbojc3Ij for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 05:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB301A056D for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 05:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBD8854A; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 12:28:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: IPP@pwg.org Delivered-To: IPP@pwg.org Received: from usa7109mr007.acs-inc.com (usa7109mr007.acs-inc.com [63.87.171.176]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC337842F for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 12:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from usa7109ht004.na.xerox.net ([13.41.230.30]) by usa7109mr007.acs-inc.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 28 Mar 2014 07:04:52 -0500 Received: from USA7109MB004.na.xerox.net ([169.254.4.37]) by USA7109HT004.na.xerox.net ([13.41.230.30]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 07:04:51 -0500 From: "Zehler, Peter" To: "IPP@pwg.org" Thread-Topic: Prototype experience for IPP Scan Thread-Index: Ac9KfdtgmK3kHtzwQI6Y2T6Z5Z2L2Q== Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 12:04:50 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [13.41.230.82] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [IPP] Prototype experience for IPP Scan X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0377332634==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0377332634== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_A4DE324D317E4F40A82CF077C7A9E1E34F182CUSA7109MB004naxer_" --_000_A4DE324D317E4F40A82CF077C7A9E1E34F182CUSA7109MB004naxer_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, I have prototyped all of the required attributes and operations of the IPP = Scan specification. My prototype had the following limitations: 1) Output spooling implementation 2) Destination URI Schemes: http, ipp, mailto 3) Default values used on Job Template attributes 4) Client immediately pulled single http chunked encoded scan document The issues found: 1) No mechanism to pass through print production instructions (i.e. templa= te controls document construction) making "remote copy" capabilities rather= limited. 2) As mentioned on the mail list http assumed to be Put method. Limits ap= plicability of protocol in uses such as document workflow on ramps with spe= cific submission requirements. 3) Just as with PrintUri destination access credentials are outside the sc= ope of the specification. (i.e. it is assumed that the MFD already has perm= ission to store the documents at the destination) 4) "destination-uris" is inadequately defined for Scan use. I just includ= ed the "destination-uri" and "number-of-retries" attributes. a. Section8.2 note 1 is missing b. Rework of this attribute could resolve all these issues Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Office: +1 (585) 265-8755 Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508 FAX: +1 (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 --_000_A4DE324D317E4F40A82CF077C7A9E1E34F182CUSA7109MB004naxer_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
--_000_A4DE324D317E4F40A82CF077C7A9E1E34F182CUSA7109MB004naxer_-- --===============0377332634== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============0377332634==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Mar 28 06:16:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972571A0930 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 06:16:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TTMce3a6kAMK for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 06:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E041A092D for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 06:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE989854A; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 13:38:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.49]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A4BD842F for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 13:38:53 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from relay2.apple.com ([17.128.113.67]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.30.0 64bit (built Oct 22 2013)) with ESMTP id <0N3500GM1DWNWEH1@mail-out.apple.com> for ipp@pwg.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 06:16:39 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807143-f79f66d0000015d3-aa-53357636abbc Received: from spicerack.apple.com (spicerack.apple.com [17.128.115.40]) (using TLS with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay2.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 94.33.05587.73675335; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 06:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.153.97.78] (unknown [17.153.97.78]) by spicerack.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01 (7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Nov 17 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0N3500552E7OWC10@spicerack.apple.com> for ipp@pwg.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 06:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:16:35 -0400 To: "" Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FCsoWteZhpssGIvu8WxfS9ZHBg95i2e zhTAGMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CVcWtiZsEmq4qHv7cwNjDOtOhi5OCQEDCRmHE1pIuRE8gUk7hw bz1bFyMXh5DAZCaJfQeusEM4c5kkrmz+xwRSxSagJvF7Uh8rSIJZYAqjxOaLt5lAJrEIqErM PW8DUiMsYCVxed9tRhBbREBR4ue07WA2r4CNxIVfH5kgbD2JM2d/sUNslpV49KGJZQIjzyxk Y2chqQOxmQW0JZYtfM08C2gds4COxOSFjBBhU4knb7ezQdjWEj/nPIKKK0pM6X7IvoCRfRWj QFFqTmKlkV5iQUFOql5yfu4mRnDYFTrvYDy2zOoQowAHoxIP7wwrk2Ah1sSy4srcQ4wqQCMe bVh9gVGKJS8/L1VJhPdKiWmwEG9KYmVValF+fFFpTmrxIUZpDhYlcd7bakbBQgLpiSWp2amp BalFMFkmDk6pBka3+VvOFES+jDZftkNiyWSu9CW/D3dMVv3cqvtghu+nm5l/9rVciHSs6d49 mbk60PwWh2T/p76M2Tv//14gKHwqh8k05HWKYI0cQ9hmFddSs6/C78s4i/cF+54NEBS9f4fd PnqqMJehCPt6pWPTQ4U2f3/wXHmRlfnh5T6rVO5zblyzO+14o68SS3FGoqEWc1FxIgB31jDJ QwIAAA== Subject: [IPP] Updated ipptool package for Windows now available X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0201830821==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0201830821== Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_543236F8-9435-44BB-AAF8-F9EC7B931D0C"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_543236F8-9435-44BB-AAF8-F9EC7B931D0C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, I have posted an updated ipptool package for Windows on CUPS.org that = fixes SSL/TLS support. 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h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=yIJ2/vCeor+wnNe6LP61QFu5VwHpBlKDBDDPca3MrGY=; b=ylZeSi+3iA5nKxUA9/wWx3RJURKTn+MKValPxDm1Txjcc6LqyvM8YizR2/GPTlWzeA Q4sOcEEZXm0YINA/LGU+YFmDwD08b5T7UNnMuzRk2K+cedbFhCcJLtC6pblxkhnB3unC y3dUwM8QhRJxjfi0xJQr3vrX+AlTFkiB3KkJvD1Wc4VS0sehVHqcLepRr+u1FIruRV87 xqnI0WUzGuEMDSxRGpfXDT0p+yiiKIRIpnzHsWjCdHui6wcUFUCHQ2IU8bhibEUtxmwL Q7O8Bfir+tUYf9IaRENEtHYQ7ek+HvlK5B7b0mfAXlmyksXOz6QCqOpH+7a7PQ/hLkNT gPgA== X-Received: by 10.42.173.68 with SMTP id q4mr26012410icz.41.1396222578573; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 16:36:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.168.100 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 16:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ira McDonald Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:35:58 -0400 Message-ID: To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Subject: [IPP] IPP over HTTP Transport Binding and 'ipps' URI Scheme (30 March 2014) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1079872140==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1079872140== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e863ad2c7b104f5db66ac --90e6ba6e863ad2c7b104f5db66ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I've just posted another Internet-Draft of IPP over HTTP Transport Binding and 'ipps' URI Scheme to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-10-20140330.txt - plaintext Internet-Draft format (warning - contains explicit formfeed characters) ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-10-20140330.pdf - PDF of plaintext w/ line numbers (review *this* one) This document has already been accepted and posted to the IETF I-D repository. This document is parallel to, but does not update or obsolete, RFC 3510. This version has *minor* editorial changes since the previous version - based on comments from Smith Kennedy and other HP contributors on 28 February 2014 and subsequent IPP WG review on 3 March 2014. Comments? Cheers, - Ira ------------------------------------ Change History 30 March 2014 - draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-10.txt Global - Updated references, per IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Global - Changed "e.g." to "for example", for readability. Editorial - Revised section Copyright Notice, to correct year. Editorial - Revised section 3 IPP over HTTPS Transport Binding, item 2), to clarify that port 631 is ONLY inserted in the derived 'https' URI when an explicit port is NOT specified in the original 'ipps' URI, per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 4.2 Syntax of 'ipps' URI Scheme, note about URI lengths greater than 255 octets, to change 'ought to' to 'SHOULD', per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 4.2 Syntax of 'ipps' URI Scheme, to add reference to section 4.3 for use of port 631, per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 4.3 Associated Port for 'ipps' URI Scheme, to add note about dual-use of port 631 for 'ipp' URI and 'ipps' URI with reference to CUPS source for example of incoming connection handling, per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 4.3 Associated Port for 'ipps' URI Scheme, to add note about compatibility for IPP Clients and IPP Printers that should accept explicit port 443 (assigned in 'https' URI scheme [RFC2818]) and process normally, per IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 4.6.1 Examples of 'ipps' URI for Printers, to add reference to section 4.2 (syntax) and section 4.3 (port), per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 4.7 Comparisons of 'ipps' URI, to add reference to section 4.3 (port), per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 5.1 Applicability to IPP Clients, to add reference to section 4.2 (syntax) and section 4.3 (port), per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 5.1 Applicability to IPP Clients, item d), to change 'MUST the' to 'MUST use the', per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 5.2 Applicability to IPP Printers, to add reference to section 4.2 (syntax) and section 4.3 (port), per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 5.2 Applicability to IPP Printers, item d), to change 'MUST the' to 'MUST use the', per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 5.2 Applicability to IPP Printers, to delete former item e) (listen only on port 631) which conflicted with existing IPP implementations (for example, listening on port 443 as well), per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 6 IANA Considerations, to add URI for CUPS source, per IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised section 7.2.4 No Client Authentication for 'ipps' URI, to change "or or" to "or" (typo), per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. Editorial - Revised Appendix A Summary of IPP URL Scheme, item 2), to clarify that port 631 is ONLY inserted in the derived 'http' URI when an explicit port is NOT specified in the original 'ipp' URI, per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review. --90e6ba6e863ad2c7b104f5db66ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I've just poste= d another Internet-Draft of IPP over HTTP Transport Binding and
'<= span>ipps' URI Scheme<= /span> to:

=A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org= /pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-10-20140330.txt
=A0- plaintext Internet-Draft format (warning - contains expl= icit formfeed characters)

=A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org= /pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-10-20140330.pdf
=A0- PDF of plaintext w/ line numbers (review *this* one)


This document has already been accepted and posted to the= IETF I-D repository.

This document is parall= el to, but does not update or obsolete, RFC 3510.

This version has *minor* editorial changes since the previous version - bas= ed on
comments from Smith Kennedy and other HP contributors o= n 28 February 2014
and subsequent IPP WG review on 3 March 2014.

Comments?

Cheers,
- Ira

----------------------------------= --

Change Hist= ory
=A0=A0 30 March 2014 - draft-mcdonald-ipps-= uri-scheme-10.txt

=A0=A0 Global - Updated references, per IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.=A0=

=A0=A0 Global - Changed "e.g." to "for example"= ;, for readability.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised section Copyright= Notice, to correct year.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised section 3 IPP over HTTPS Transport Binding, = item
=A0=A0 2), to clarify that port 631 is ONLY inserted in the derived= 'https'
=A0=A0 URI when an explicit port is NOT specified in th= e original 'ipps'
=A0=A0 URI, per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.=A0

= =A0=A0 Editorial - Revised section 4.2 Syntax of 'ipps' URI Scheme,= note
=A0=A0 about URI lengths greater than 255 octets, to change 'o= ught to' to
=A0=A0 'SHOULD', per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.= =A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised section 4.2 Syntax of 'ipps'= URI Scheme, to add
=A0=A0 reference to section 4.3 for use of port 631,= per Smith Kennedy and
=A0=A0 IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised s= ection 4.3 Associated Port for 'ipps' URI
=A0=A0 Scheme, to add = note about dual-use of port 631 for 'ipp' URI and
=A0=A0 'ip= ps' URI with reference to CUPS source for example of incoming
=A0=A0 connection handling, per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
= =A0=A0 review.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised section 4.3 Associated= Port for 'ipps' URI
=A0=A0 Scheme, to add note about compatibil= ity for IPP Clients and IPP
=A0=A0 Printers that should accept explicit port 443 (assigned in 'http= s'
=A0=A0 URI scheme [RFC2818]) and process normally, per IEEE-ISTO = PWG IPP WG
=A0=A0 review.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised section = 4.6.1 Examples of 'ipps' URI for
=A0=A0 Printers, to add reference to section 4.2 (syntax) and section 4.3=A0=A0 (port), per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.=A0
=
=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised section 4.7 Comparisons of 'ipps' UR= I, to add
=A0=A0 reference to section 4.3 (port), per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG=
=A0=A0 IPP WG review.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised section 5.1= Applicability to IPP Clients, to add
=A0=A0 reference to section 4.2 (s= yntax) and section 4.3 (port), per Smith
=A0=A0 Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial= - Revised section 5.1 Applicability to IPP Clients, item
=A0=A0 d), to = change 'MUST the' to 'MUST use the', per Smith Kennedy and<= br>=A0=A0 IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.=A0

=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised section 5.2 Applicability to IPP Printers, t= o add
=A0=A0 reference to section 4.2 (syntax) and section 4.3 (port), p= er Smith
=A0=A0 Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.=A0

=A0= =A0 Editorial - Revised section 5.2 Applicability to IPP Printers, item
=A0=A0 d), to change 'MUST the' to 'MUST use the', per Smit= h Kennedy and
=A0=A0 IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.=A0

=A0=A0 Edit= orial - Revised section 5.2 Applicability to IPP Printers, to
=A0=A0 del= ete former item e) (listen only on port 631) which conflicted with
=A0=A0 existing IPP implementations (for example, listening on port 443 as<= br>=A0=A0 well), per Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.=A0
=
=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised section 6 IANA Considerations, to add URI fo= r
=A0=A0 CUPS source, per IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised section 7.2.4 No Client Authentication for '= ipps'
=A0=A0 URI, to change "or or" to "or" (typ= o), per Smith Kennedy and
=A0=A0 IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.=A0
=A0=A0 Editorial - Revised Appendix A Summary of IPP URL Scheme, item 2), = to
=A0=A0 clarify that port 631 is ONLY inserted in the derived 'http'= URI when
=A0=A0 an explicit port is NOT specified in the original '= ipp' URI, per
=A0=A0 Smith Kennedy and IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG review.= =A0

--90e6ba6e863ad2c7b104f5db66ac-- --===============1079872140== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============1079872140==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sun Mar 30 17:06:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4CE1A08EF for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 17:06:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.966 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.966 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NUMERIC_HTTP_ADDR=1.242, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URI_HEX=1.122] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LfVncxQIV03Q for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 17:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773261A08F0 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 17:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149D68521; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 00:29:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-ig0-x22a.google.com (mail-ig0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22a]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2A2584D7 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 00:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f170.google.com with SMTP id uq10so2783508igb.1 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 17:06:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=+6ONsOL6IK55DVuv7QBYsHbadNyiLRx9KgoygIOzvhk=; b=jKD9qV4um4BvyrVIZJDmqll98tA2B/F7Hmp9NhWI3gjL8CoAsSaCpHQa0hsf70LLGi BTAFH/tuBeo3VmCx0BVU+uCSw6fiqn8WwVwBRbHXwaOUqMB9B7J7AOulyINg865kSvED G8fAne7z8Kl2DYuRPVD8k59g7r1BCMBYyH/X/sw//b5nKJl33Esqq+zRR0COE5n9HOai BzPrRGIUWMwmNCOA41efAUM9RmDZQs4b7dWLAic57RdNENG13qZ9wzUz5qghkuf55qOf u/EX1MKrWtexxDS72kpLCbX6GI9xiPNbG0Q2sd4Y0Bc9sOtmnIvzlXicPJx/+TRQOq5D we0g== X-Received: by 10.43.51.65 with SMTP id vh1mr27598308icb.24.1396224392345; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 17:06:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.168.100 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 17:06:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ira McDonald Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 20:06:12 -0400 Message-ID: To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Subject: [IPP] IPP Agenda - 3-5pm US Eastern 31 March 2014 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1357866898==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1357866898== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5299ad7eebf0004f5dbd28b --bcaec5299ad7eebf0004f5dbd28b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Our next IPP WG call will be Monday 31 March 12-2pm US Pacific / 3-5pm US Eastern Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) NOTE: Please do NOT use the Webex audio bridge feature - instead use the regular PWG conference bridge above! ------------------------------------------------------- Meeting information ------------------------------------------------------- Topic: IPP/Cloud WG Date: Every Monday, from Monday, September 23, 2013 to no end date Time: 3:00 pm, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00) Meeting Number: 682 763 393 Meeting Password: Printing123 ------------------------------------------------------- To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?ED=152699422&UID=1183762537&PW=NYTM5NTNhNjUy&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123 4. Click "Join". To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?ED=152699422&UID=1183762537&PW=NYTM5NTNhNjUy&ORT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D ------------------------------------------------------- For assistance ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/mc 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support". ------------------------------------------------------- Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker - Mike as minute taker? (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/ minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes- 20140303.pdf (3) Status of various IPP documents (Ira/Mike) * IPP Self-Certification (Mike) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20140124-rev.pdf - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/017935.html -- status of ipptool (w/ new Windows release) -- ready for Prototype draft? -- schedule for live PWG web support? * IPP Shared Infrastructure Extensions (Mike) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20140226-rev.pdf -- Prototoype draft -- waiting for prototype reports * IPP Implementor's Guide v2.0 (Smith) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140124-rev.pdf -- ready for Prototype draft? * IPP Finishings v2.0 (Mike) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140116-rev.pdf -- Ira/Mike still need to cross-check w/ Finisher MIB (RFC 3805) -- ready for Prototype draft? (4) Review of IPP Scan Service (Pete Zehler) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippscan10-20140127-rev.pdf - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/017934.html -- review of prototype report -- ready for Stable draft? (5) Errata for IPP/2.0 and IPP printer-state-reasons (Bill Wagner, Mike) - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/017916.html - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/017919.html - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/017920.html (6) Review of IETF IPP over HTTPS Binding and 'ipps' URI Scheme (Ira) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps- uri-scheme-10-20140330.pdf - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/017896.html -- completed edits from HP comments on 28 February and IPP WG review on 3 March -- ready for final IETF Apps Area WG review and IETF Last Call? (7) Review of LDAP Printer Schema (Ira) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-07-20140313.pdf -- completed edits from IPP WG review on 3 March -- ready for final IETF Apps Area WG review and IETF Last Call? (8) Next steps - IPP WG on Monday 14 April 2014 - IPP WG on Monday 28 April 2014 Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 --bcaec5299ad7eebf0004f5dbd28b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)

Attendee A= ccess Code: *******#
Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

NOTE:=A0 Pl= ease do NOT use the Webex audio bridge feature - instead use
the regular PWG conference bridge above!

----------------= ---------------------------------------
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Topic: IPP/Cloud WG
= Date: Every Monday, from Monday, September 23, 2013 to no end date
Time:= 3:00 pm, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)
Meeting Number: 682 763 393
Meeting Password: Printing123
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To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)
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2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a password is = required, enter the meeting password: Printing123
4. Click "Join&qu= ot;.
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2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".
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= Agenda:
(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker
- Mike as minute taker?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20140303.pdf

(3) Status of various IPP document= s (Ira/Mike)
--= status of ipptool (w/ new Windows release)
-- ready for Prototype draft= ?
-- schedule for live PWG web support?

* IPP Shared Infr= astructure Extensions (Mike)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsix10-20140226-re= v.pdf
-- Prototoype draft
-- waiting for prototype reports

* IPP<= /span> Implementor's Guide v2.0 (Smith)
- ftp://ftp.= pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippig20-20140124-rev.pdf
-- ready for Prototype draft?

* IPP Finishi= ngs v2.0 (Mike)
- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/= wd/wd-ippfinishings20-20140116-rev.pdf
-- Ira/Mike still need to cross-check w/ Finisher MIB (RFC 3805)=
-- ready for Prototype draft?

(4) Review o= f IPP Scan Service (Pete Zehler)
- = ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp= scan10-20140127-rev.pdf
<= div>-- review of prototype report
-- ready for Stable draft?
(6) Review of IETF IPP = over HTTPS Binding and 'ipps' URI Scheme (Ira)
- http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2014/017896.html
-- completed edits from HP comments on 28 February and IPP WG review on 3 M= arch
-- ready for final IETF Apps Area WG review and = IETF Last Call?

(7) Review of LDAP Printer Schema (= Ira)
-- completed edits from IPP WG review on 3 March
-- ready for final IE= TF Apps Area WG review and IETF Last Call?

(8) Nex= t steps
- IPP WG on Monday 14 April 2014
- IPP WG on Monday 28 April = 2014

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Tru= sted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer = Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
= IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High No= rth Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic=
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--bcaec5299ad7eebf0004f5dbd28b-- --===============1357866898== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --===============1357866898==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Mar 31 13:31:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B8E1A6FF9 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qDKIA9FFv9Nc for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56EA1A6FFC for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E057D8557; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 20:54:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out.apple.com (honeycrisp.apple.com [17.151.62.51]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D07538556 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 20:54:01 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from relay8.apple.com ([17.128.113.102]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.30.0 64bit (built Oct 22 2013)) with ESMTP id <0N3B009D5IBQ4KC1@mail-out.apple.com> for ipp@pwg.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:31:11 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807166-f79c26d000001623-e5-5339d08fadf7 Received: from fenugreek.apple.com (fenugreek.apple.com [17.128.115.97]) (using TLS with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay8.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 8B.54.05667.F80D9335; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [17.153.62.230] (unknown [17.153.62.230]) by fenugreek.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01 (7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Nov 17 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0N3B0044WIBX1C20@fenugreek.apple.com> for ipp@pwg.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:31:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 16:31:11 -0400 To: "" Message-id: <95565F59-603F-4B21-B5B6-0B46E15FD0CF@apple.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FCcqNt/wTLYYOIqLYtj+16yODB6zFs8 nSmAMYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoErY82iS2wFjbYVC664NTDutupi5OCQEDCRaFsh0cXICWSKSVy4 t56ti5GLQ0hgMpPErTWfWEASQgLzmSR29+WD2GwCahK/J/WxghQxC0xhlJh84jQzSIJFQFXi yfMWdhBbGMh+03CQFcQWEVCU+DltOyOIzStgI7Hk1FFWCFtP4szZX+wQm2UlHn1oYpnAyDML 2dxZSOpAbGYBbYllC18DxTmAbB2JyQsZIcKmEk/ebmeDsK0lfs55BBVXlJjS/ZB9ASP7KkaB otScxEoLvcSCgpxUveT83E2M4LArTNvB2LTc6hCjAAejEg/vgxLLYCHWxLLiytxDjCpAIx5t WH2BUYolLz8vVUmEd+sCoDRvSmJlVWpRfnxRaU5q8SFGaQ4WJXHe22pGwUIC6YklqdmpqQWp RTBZJg5OqQZG+Xfzj/xw/CR/evkX8bmnw94J8R9qjAiey96ulymyvk/t8/V8f4eWPQbvkhYX +29xjL2oUNIpvDt/acIrOe37G59rz3PyXGiv+XauJ7+wu+DmDst3swzelczpX/LogfpDQYtP DL//frX46vu+4Mkiwd4lD51a0nQ1Zm6cz8OT9EwonOnoyw9zlFiKMxINtZiLihMBtr4E+EMC AAA= Subject: [IPP] Minutes from today's meeting X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1504293091==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1504293091== Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4B57A31C-A1CA-409C-9A2D-D0051337DD27"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_4B57A31C-A1CA-409C-9A2D-D0051337DD27 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, I have posted the minutes from today's IPP conference call to: = http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20140331.pdf Our next conference call is April 14, 2014 at 3pm ET. New action items: - Ira to add comments to Printer MIB for = fax-modem-protocol-error and xxx-recoverable-storage-error - suffix = dropped from IPP keyword with corresponding suffix (-error, -report, = -warning) added depending on the printer state. - Mike to submit IANA registration for IPP printer-state-reasons = updates for fax-modem-protocol and xxx-recoverable-storage _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --Apple-Mail=_4B57A31C-A1CA-409C-9A2D-D0051337DD27 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIPJTCCBN0w ggPFoAMCAQICEHGS++YZX6xNEoV0cTSiGKcwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwezELMAkGA1UEBhMCR0Ix GzAZBgNVBAgMEkdyZWF0ZXIgTWFuY2hlc3RlcjEQMA4GA1UEBwwHU2FsZm9yZDEaMBgGA1UECgwR Q29tb2RvIENBIExpbWl0ZWQxITAfBgNVBAMMGEFBQSBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBTZXJ2aWNlczAeFw0w 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