From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Sep 1 05:34:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CD8133070 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 05:34:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gvtr3IyURiXW for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 05:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [50.116.7.199]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D24132D67 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 05:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id BEDAA4DC3; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC03A26B9; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:34:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id C744626CF; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from atl4mhob16.registeredsite.com (atl4mhob16.registeredsite.com [209.17.115.109]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E48A32688 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 12:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.203]) by atl4mhob16.registeredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v81CYIZn025255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 08:34:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 24828 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2017 12:34:18 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 174.192.18.50 X-Authenticated-UID: ptykodi@tykodi.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?100.68.184.222?) (ptykodi@tykodi.com@174.192.18.50) by 0 with ESMTPA; 1 Sep 2017 12:34:18 -0000 From: Paul Tykodi Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 08:34:17 -0400 Message-Id: To: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) Subject: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4415443843722145467==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============4415443843722145467== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-30862BA4-2F9D-4537-B395-D1FD5894EEA7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-30862BA4-2F9D-4537-B395-D1FD5894EEA7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I saw this announcement this morning. Should we consider adding support for this format in IPP Scan? http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/08/prweb14644230.htm Best Regards, /Paul Sent from my iPhone --Apple-Mail-30862BA4-2F9D-4537-B395-D1FD5894EEA7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi,

I saw this announcement this morning.

Should we consider adding support for this format in IPP Scan?


/Paul

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(ptykodi@tykodi.com@174.192.18.50) by 0 with ESMTPA; 1 Sep 2017 14:35:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Paul Tykodi X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) In-Reply-To: <4774ECFF-35B4-459C-AD20-120CA0B0BA69@hp.com> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 10:35:02 -0400 Message-Id: References: <4774ECFF-35B4-459C-AD20-120CA0B0BA69@hp.com> To: "Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)" Cc: "ipp@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5743997359878064528==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============5743997359878064528== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-C9B9A662-B1CC-49ED-B8FE-0ED7B1E8B324 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-C9B9A662-B1CC-49ED-B8FE-0ED7B1E8B324 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Smith, I don't know. I will review new TWAIN cloud model this weekend to see whether IPP Scan and= IPP Infra might be useful for TWAIN to use for connecting TWAIN cloud appli= cations to TWAIN enabled network scanning devices. Best Regards, /Paul Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 1, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) wrote: >=20 > Just playing devil's advocate here. What does PDF/raster provide that the e= xisting formats do not? Why did a new subset format need to be defined?=20 >=20 > Cheers, > Smith > --- >=20 > Smith Kennedy > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. >=20 >=20 > On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Paul Tykodi wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> I saw this announcement this morning. >>=20 >> Should we consider adding support for this format in IPP Scan? >>=20 >> http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/08/prweb14644230.htm >>=20 >> Best Regards, >>=20 >> /Paul >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --Apple-Mail-C9B9A662-B1CC-49ED-B8FE-0ED7B1E8B324 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Smith,

I don't know.

I will review new TWAIN cloud model this weekend to see whether IPP Scan and IPP Infra might be useful for TWAIN to use for connecting TWAIN cloud applications to TWAIN enabled network scanning devices.

Best Regards,

/Paul

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 1, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Just playing devil's advocate here. What does PDF/raster provide that the existing formats do not? Why did a new subset format need to be defined? 

Cheers,
Smith
---

   Smith Kennedy
   Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
   Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum
   Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
   HP Inc.


On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Paul Tykodi <ptykodi@tykodi.com> wrote:

Hi,

I saw this announcement this morning.

Should we consider adding support for this format in IPP Scan?


/Paul

Sent from my iPhone
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Not quite sure why it requires= a separate specification, except for the comment that it is the file form= at required by =E2=80=9CTWAIN Working Group=E2=80=99s new TWAIN Direct spec= ification -- the first zero-footprint, cloud-based version of its royalty f= ree open standard protocol that allows applications to talk directly to doc= ument scanners without the need for vendor specific drivers.=E2=80=9D That = us the rub and would suggest that IPP Everwhere/Scan would have some very = serious competition, if we ever formalized it. The scanner industry has a l= ong history using TWAIN and, as in other areas, it will tend to continue wi= th what is familiar. Still, a common imaging protocol for MFDs may find som= e support. The IPP Scan Service spec appears to require that Scan Services support PDF= . Modifying that to allow lower end devices to support a PDF subset not be= a major effort and might have some benefit in showing some degree of unive= rsality. Is there any product that uses IPP Scan? Thanks, Bill Wagner From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 9:51 AM To: Paul Tykodi Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan Just playing devil's advocate here. What does PDF/raster provide that the e= xisting formats do not? Why did a new subset format need to be defined?=C2= =A0 Cheers, Smith --- =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Smith Kennedy =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Fo= rum =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0HP Inc. On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:35 AM, Paul Tykodi wrote: Hi, I saw this announcement this morning. Should we consider adding support for this format in IPP Scan? http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/08/prweb14644230.htm Best Regards, /Paul Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --_D942D05E-FDAD-49BA-9736-7EA3DCC907C0_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

By quick skim, PDF/Raster appears to= be the raster capability the exists within PDF, with some additional restr= ictions. Not quite sure why it requires a separate specification, except fo= r =C2=A0the comment that it is the file format required by =E2=80=9CTWAIN W= orking Group=E2=80=99s new TWAIN Direct specification -- the first zero-foo= tprint, cloud-based version of its royalty free open standard protocol that= allows applications to talk directly to document scanners without the need= for vendor specific drivers.=E2=80=9D That us the rub and would suggest th= at IPP Everwhere/Scan=C2=A0 would have some very serious competition, if we= ever formalized it. The scanner industry has a long history using TWAIN an= d, as in other areas, it will tend to continue with what is familiar. Still= , a common imaging protocol for MFDs may find some support.

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The IPP Scan = Service spec appears to require that Scan Services support PDF.=C2=A0 Modif= ying that to allow lower end devices to support a PDF subset not be a major= effort and might have some benefit in showing some degree of universality.= Is there any product that uses IPP Scan?

 

Thanks, Bill Wagner

 

From: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)
= Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 9:51 AM
To: Paul Tykodi
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan=

 

Just playing devil's advocate here. What does = PDF/raster provide that the existing formats do not? Why did a new subset f= ormat need to be defined? 

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Cheers,

Smith

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   Smith Kennedy

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   Wireless A= rchitect - Client Software - IPG-PPS

   Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi A= lliance / NFC Forum

&= nbsp;  Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group

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   HP Inc.

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On Sep 1, 2017,= at 6:35 AM, Paul Tykodi <ptykodi@= tykodi.com> wrote:

Hi,=

 

I saw this an= nouncement this morning.

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Should we consider adding support for this format in = IPP Scan?

 

 

/Paul


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Paul, As this is a strict subset of PDF and IPP Scan requires PDF support, nothing needs to be added unless you want the Client to be able to explicitly ask for a particular subset of PDF... We could add a pdf-versions-supported keyword, but that is strictly informative... That said, this subset is almost exactly the same as the PDF/is specification the PWG published 13 years ago: http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-ifxpdfis10-20040315-5102.3.pdf The main differences appear to be: 1. No JBIG2 support (?!?) 2. Different file format identification methods: PDF/is adds a new object, while PDF Raster uses a comment in the trailer. 3. PDF Raster supports encryption while PDF/is does not, but that doesn't really matter - PDF encryption is a joke because key generation is weak. 4. PDF Raster adds an XML (Adobe XMP) metadata object. Both PDF/is and PDF Raster support banding, digital signing, and incremental/streamed writing. Both also support the same bi-level, grayscale, and RGB color color spaces and bit depths. The PDF Raster spec claims that it can be consumed by a simple parser, but I don't see how given that images can be banded - you will still need to implement a minimal page stream interpreter along with random access to the image objects. Finally, it looks like a PDF writer could generate a PDF file that conforms to BOTH PDF/is and PDF Raster - thus an IPP Scan implementation could (as part of the general PDF support requirement) produce PDF scan files compatible with both standards. But again, I don't think we need to update IPP Scan for this... > On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Paul Tykodi wrote: > > Hi, > > I saw this announcement this morning. > > Should we consider adding support for this format in IPP Scan? > > http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/08/prweb14644230.htm > > Best Regards, > > /Paul > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Sep 5 12:57:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797121243F6 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2017 12:57:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (2048-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=comcast.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hzu16Tl43A7m for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2017 12:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF586132DD6 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2017 12:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 44C6A415C; Tue, 5 Sep 2017 19:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D5926DA; Tue, 5 Sep 2017 19:57:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 74FFD26E0; Tue, 5 Sep 2017 19:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:34]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3BD526CF for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2017 19:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.97]) by resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id pJwxdpMH8o4g2pJyadJjVL; Tue, 05 Sep 2017 19:57:36 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1504641456; bh=jYGWamdnTyrPfncSrqAwPQGwGX2ID5ro92R0rB7dZVw=; h=Received:Received:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Date:Content-Type; b=luoRuLjdGBDJtVkArSyUeMlJqtrMWSlguMsn7SCtuw95lgSf9OcZ31Vt7I9zk9q5V knvIPVMHPsw5DJVG4cUqrXl0ngT+fuH48uOFHK1OGcgeg4cNiBBoY2iBEWugv6ifYU NJjM/ON0XqUbltRVX74Dkcxpuh3IuciZNxNqEk8/sKbHWSqMkgVhuK/3B6ZG9MUXKU NzaFGgGRzG07zXTuhL1eWpdvarsGmswsrMkJ+XpyngUTlMv6ggw2hYyBrrIU5v+JDO qKuN8K0lvQWq0Ew5gJSViOUKEsuUiYd2qS8QyNL7QiHcpSAvZXu7VXnjj3ffl+29FL cr7kuAWG0mojQ== Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:10.1.64.217] ([50.78.20.210]) by resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id pJyYd3CnwJ7dKpJyZd49XK; Tue, 05 Sep 2017 19:57:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Sweet From: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 15:57:34 -0400 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <03C06C0C-4E05-46ED-B5C0-C6E84130E0FA@apple.com> References: <4774ECFF-35B4-459C-AD20-120CA0B0BA69@hp.com> <20170901143801.80C0326DA@www.pwg.org> <03C06C0C-4E05-46ED-B5C0-C6E84130E0FA@apple.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfNMW+Ag+f4MH3FQ0kWwuEMhKvyBPXa5RAIc1d+avEwjSccDm7ifwYQS7rQ6A7h4a8zjJ9ZI3SCIeUL/Dtgi3JPn4NUzlW10oXqh8luVWLejOFRSqqSu9 oSgwL4PD/fi0h98oVdimla7SOnmUxkPerHE/zK2bk3WEypm09nLuHiPQFhhQNyqfLsywX7VH6uVnowMaNAeLJqBVT4iAmrok3mdP7Pp0ZaVCJBG3cAAEn4i1 Zx+vPpj9Q78JDQvkYPz/NyI1Msqq3zXWZdMbJi9ZVZs= Message-Id: <20170905195738.74FFD26E0@www.pwg.org> Cc: "ipp@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7429248049237270706==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============7429248049237270706== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_A6EE8544-DBB2-46F2-B3A7-91C48A63B4F6_" --_A6EE8544-DBB2-46F2-B3A7-91C48A63B4F6_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mike, Understood that IPPScan requires PDF. My comment was that downgrading that = requirement for scan services to PDF Raster would allow the lower end scann= ers that do not support full PDF (i.e. those devices for which PDF Raster i= s intended) to still implement and claim support for IPP Scan. Understood= that it is unclear whether PDF Scan really allows for a significantly simp= ler scanner, it would appear that this TWAIN effort would enable a class of= cloud-capable scanner that could not use IPP Scan. Indeed, it is unclear = whether that would bother anyone. Thanks, Bill Wagner Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Michael Sweet Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:12 AM To: William Wagner Cc: Smith Kennedy; Paul Tykodi; ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan Bill, > On Sep 1, 2017, at 10:37 AM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote: >=20 > By quick skim, PDF/Raster appears to be the raster capability the exists = within PDF, with some additional restrictions. Not quite sure why it requir= es a separate specification, except for the comment that it is the file fo= rmat required by =E2=80=9CTWAIN Working Group=E2=80=99s new TWAIN Direct sp= ecification -- the first zero-footprint, cloud-based version of its royalty= free open standard protocol that allows applications to talk directly to d= ocument scanners without the need for vendor specific drivers.=E2=80=9D Tha= t us the rub and would suggest that IPP Everwhere/Scan would have some ver= y serious competition, if we ever formalized it. The scanner industry has a= long history using TWAIN and, as in other areas, it will tend to continue = with what is familiar. Still, a common imaging protocol for MFDs may find s= ome support. > =20 > The IPP Scan Service spec appears to require that Scan Services support P= DF. Modifying that to allow lower end devices to support a PDF subset not = be a major effort and might have some benefit in showing some degree of uni= versality. Is there any product that uses IPP Scan? I can't answer that specifically, but given that IPP Scan requires PDF supp= ort and this is a strict PDF subset, there would be no problems supporting = it in an IPP Scan implementation. We could even register this spec using a= pdf-versions-supported keyword value - no spec updates needed. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --_A6EE8544-DBB2-46F2-B3A7-91C48A63B4F6_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

Mike,

Unders= tood that IPPScan requires PDF. My comment was that downgrading that requir= ement for scan services to PDF Raster would allow the lower end scanners th= at do not support full PDF (i.e. those devices for which PDF Raster is inte= nded) to still implement and =C2=A0claim support for IPP Scan. =C2=A0Unders= tood that it is unclear whether PDF Scan really allows for a significantly = simpler scanner, it would appear that this TWAIN effort would enable a clas= s of cloud-capable =C2=A0scanner that could not use IPP Scan. Indeed, it is= unclear whether that would bother anyone.

&nb= sp;

Thanks, Bill Wagner

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Sweet
Sent: Tuesday, Septem= ber 5, 2017 8:12 AM
To: = William Wagner
Cc: Sm= ith Kennedy; Paul Tykodi; ipp@pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] PD= F Raster and IPP Scan

 

Bill,

 

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 10:37 AM, wamwagner@comcast.net wro= te:

>

> By quick ski= m, PDF/Raster appears to be the raster capability the exists within PDF, wi= th some additional restrictions. Not quite sure why it requires a separate = specification, except for=C2=A0 the comment that it is the file format requ= ired by =E2=80=9CTWAIN Working Group=E2=80=99s new TWAIN Direct specificati= on -- the first zero-footprint, cloud-based version of its royalty free ope= n standard protocol that allows applications to talk directly to document s= canners without the need for vendor specific drivers.=E2=80=9D That us the = rub and would suggest that IPP Everwhere/Scan=C2=A0 would have some very se= rious competition, if we ever formalized it. The scanner industry has a lon= g history using TWAIN and, as in other areas, it will tend to continue with= what is familiar. Still, a common imaging protocol for MFDs may find some = support.

>=C2=A0

> T= he IPP Scan Service spec appears to require that Scan Services support PDF.= =C2=A0 Modifying that to allow lower end devices to support a PDF subset no= t be a major effort and might have some benefit in showing some degree of u= niversality. Is there any product that uses IPP Scan?

 

I can't answer that specifical= ly, but given that IPP Scan requires PDF support and this is a strict PDF s= ubset, there would be no problems supporting it in an IPP Scan implementati= on. =C2=A0We could even register this spec using a pdf-versions-supported k= eyword value - no spec updates needed.

 <= /o:p>

_____________________________________________= ____________

Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System = Engineer

 

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boundary="===============5250550437142357893==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============5250550437142357893== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11478a386f971105587770fe" --001a11478a386f971105587770fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Two cents - Till has been wanting to do GSoC projects for a couple of years to replace the not very secure, not very capable Network TWAIN protocol with IPP Scan (possibly preserving the apparent TWAIN local interfaces). He's been waiting for a few MFPs that support IPP Scan to begin prototyping= . I agree w/ Mike - PDF Raster is just another conforming subset of PDF. IPP Scan doesn't need any update to support it. Note that PWG PDF/is was co-written by Adobe folks. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > Bill, > > But PDF Raster *IS* PDF, and meets the requirements of IPP Scan. > > > > On Sep 5, 2017, at 3:57 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote: > > > > Mike, > > Understood that IPPScan requires PDF. My comment was that downgrading > that requirement for scan services to PDF Raster would allow the lower en= d > scanners that do not support full PDF (i.e. those devices for which PDF > Raster is intended) to still implement and claim support for IPP Scan. > Understood that it is unclear whether PDF Scan really allows for a > significantly simpler scanner, it would appear that this TWAIN effort wou= ld > enable a class of cloud-capable scanner that could not use IPP Scan. > Indeed, it is unclear whether that would bother anyone. > > > > Thanks, Bill Wagner > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > From: Michael Sweet > > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:12 AM > > To: William Wagner > > Cc: Smith Kennedy; Paul Tykodi; ipp@pwg.org > > Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan > > > > Bill, > > > > > On Sep 1, 2017, at 10:37 AM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > > By quick skim, PDF/Raster appears to be the raster capability the > exists within PDF, with some additional restrictions. Not quite sure why = it > requires a separate specification, except for the comment that it is the > file format required by =E2=80=9CTWAIN Working Group=E2=80=99s new TWAIN = Direct > specification -- the first zero-footprint, cloud-based version of its > royalty free open standard protocol that allows applications to talk > directly to document scanners without the need for vendor specific > drivers.=E2=80=9D That us the rub and would suggest that IPP Everwhere/Sc= an would > have some very serious competition, if we ever formalized it. The scanner > industry has a long history using TWAIN and, as in other areas, it will > tend to continue with what is familiar. Still, a common imaging protocol > for MFDs may find some support. > > > > > > The IPP Scan Service spec appears to require that Scan Services > support PDF. Modifying that to allow lower end devices to support a PDF > subset not be a major effort and might have some benefit in showing some > degree of universality. Is there any product that uses IPP Scan? > > > > I can't answer that specifically, but given that IPP Scan requires PDF > support and this is a strict PDF subset, there would be no problems > supporting it in an IPP Scan implementation. We could even register this > spec using a pdf-versions-supported keyword value - no spec updates neede= d. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > --001a11478a386f971105587770fe Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Two cents - Till has been wanting to do GSoC projects for a couple of y= ears
to replace the not very secure, not very capable Network TWAI= N protocol
with IPP Scan (possibly preserving the apparent TWAIN l= ocal interfaces).=C2=A0
He's been waiting for a few MFPs= that support IPP Scan to begin prototyping.

I agree w/ = Mike - PDF Raster is just another conforming subset of PDF.=C2=A0 IPP
Scan doesn't need any update to support it.

Note that = PWG PDF/is was co-written by Adobe folks.

Cheers,
- I= ra




Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Tru= sted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
= Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Int= ernet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MI= B
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
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On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Michael Swee= t <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
Bill,

But PDF Raster *IS* PDF, and meets the requirements of IPP Scan.


> On Sep 5, 2017, at 3:57 PM, w= amwagner@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Mike,
> Understood that IPPScan requires PDF. My comment was that downgrading = that requirement for scan services to PDF Raster would allow the lower end = scanners that do not support full PDF (i.e. those devices for which PDF Ras= ter is intended) to still implement and=C2=A0 claim support for IPP Scan.= =C2=A0 Understood that it is unclear whether PDF Scan really allows for a s= ignificantly simpler scanner, it would appear that this TWAIN effort would = enable a class of cloud-capable=C2=A0 scanner that could not use IPP Scan. = Indeed, it is unclear whether that would bother anyone.
>
> Thanks, Bill Wagner
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Michael Sweet
> Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:12 AM
> To: William Wagner
> Cc: Smith Kennedy; Paul Tykodi; = ipp@pwg.org
> Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan >
> Bill,
>
> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 10:37 AM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > By quick skim, PDF/Raster appears to be the raster capability the= exists within PDF, with some additional restrictions. Not quite sure why i= t requires a separate specification, except for=C2=A0 the comment that it i= s the file format required by =E2=80=9CTWAIN Working Group=E2=80=99s new TW= AIN Direct specification -- the first zero-footprint, cloud-based version o= f its royalty free open standard protocol that allows applications to talk = directly to document scanners without the need for vendor specific drivers.= =E2=80=9D That us the rub and would suggest that IPP Everwhere/Scan=C2=A0 w= ould have some very serious competition, if we ever formalized it. The scan= ner industry has a long history using TWAIN and, as in other areas, it will= tend to continue with what is familiar. Still, a common imaging protocol f= or MFDs may find some support.
> >
> > The IPP Scan Service spec appears to require that Scan Services s= upport PDF.=C2=A0 Modifying that to allow lower end devices to support a PD= F subset not be a major effort and might have some benefit in showing some = degree of universality. Is there any product that uses IPP Scan?
>
> I can't answer that specifically, but given that IPP Scan requires= PDF support and this is a strict PDF subset, there would be no problems su= pporting it in an IPP Scan implementation.=C2=A0 We could even register thi= s spec using a pdf-versions-supported keyword value - no spec updates neede= d.
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer

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PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: hp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=smith.kennedy@hp.com; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hp.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Sep 2017 21:57:03.8829 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DF4PR84MB0010 Cc: "ipp@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4974223571305634586==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============4974223571305634586== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_35A116BE-A244-4A22-A2F0-E388C6AE76ED"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_35A116BE-A244-4A22-A2F0-E388C6AE76ED Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is the XML metadata addition being used as a replacement for what might = be conveyed over IPP as IPP attributes (e.g. "job ticket" type info)? > On Sep 5, 2017, at 6:44 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: >=20 > Paul, >=20 > As this is a strict subset of PDF and IPP Scan requires PDF support, = nothing needs to be added unless you want the Client to be able to = explicitly ask for a particular subset of PDF... We could add a = pdf-versions-supported keyword, but that is strictly informative... >=20 > That said, this subset is almost exactly the same as the PDF/is = specification the PWG published 13 years ago: >=20 > = http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-ifxpdfis10-20040315-5102.3.pdf >=20 > The main differences appear to be: >=20 > 1. No JBIG2 support (?!?) > 2. Different file format identification methods: PDF/is adds a new = object, while PDF Raster uses a comment in the trailer. > 3. PDF Raster supports encryption while PDF/is does not, but that = doesn't really matter - PDF encryption is a joke because key generation = is weak. > 4. PDF Raster adds an XML (Adobe XMP) metadata object. >=20 > Both PDF/is and PDF Raster support banding, digital signing, and = incremental/streamed writing. Both also support the same bi-level, = grayscale, and RGB color color spaces and bit depths. >=20 > The PDF Raster spec claims that it can be consumed by a simple parser, = but I don't see how given that images can be banded - you will still = need to implement a minimal page stream interpreter along with random = access to the image objects. >=20 > Finally, it looks like a PDF writer could generate a PDF file that = conforms to BOTH PDF/is and PDF Raster - thus an IPP Scan implementation = could (as part of the general PDF support requirement) produce PDF scan = files compatible with both standards. But again, I don't think we need = to update IPP Scan for this... >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Paul Tykodi wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> I saw this announcement this morning. >>=20 >> Should we consider adding support for this format in IPP Scan? >>=20 >> http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/08/prweb14644230.htm >>=20 >> Best Regards, >>=20 >> /Paul >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --Apple-Mail=_35A116BE-A244-4A22-A2F0-E388C6AE76ED Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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<20170901143801.80C0326DA@www.pwg.org> <03C06C0C-4E05-46ED-B5C0-C6E84130E0FA@apple.com> <201709051957.v85Juhbb041391@ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp03.apple.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfMYN2sY5VAq4chGlPaImKj3oMeU5ZxtT64vJw2NBPeA2NqhTthThc12VFF+aPdSD4tIyXfAnKwoFjgXy1oWaX6Tdjw4Py8R1MJzStU96wNhhdz1yR+IO OGe4AOiztuWjmmCuB1WoVlrtRihiNwRnkKRPrRICnD2fwBRczVPsLr9gYNrqLRCL92Hz+fBHMtdNOvnTV2AIGNEdYAqSd+yYyGP8d18M7EepgNJAANGiWVGm DQIVL4y3GF2kIUK60H2ptOmE10Cip8U+Iw+AdU4vcMo= Message-Id: <20170906044444.29757B8FF@www.pwg.org> Cc: "ipp@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7940601960176065843==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============7940601960176065843== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_036104DC-A084-46E9-9300-24B8FE508A70_" --_036104DC-A084-46E9-9300-24B8FE508A70_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mike, OK. Then you are saying that a scanner implementing PDF/Raster satisfies th= e IPP Scan requirement that =E2=80=9CScan Services MUST support generating= Documents conforming to Document management =E2=80=94 Portable document fo= rmat =E2=80=94 Part 1: PDF 1.7 [ISO32000] " ? In that case, one wonders why= TWAIN /PDF would bother generating a new spec. Thanks, BillW.=20 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Michael Sweet Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:01 PM To: wamwagner@comcast.net Cc: Smith Kennedy; Paul Tykodi; ipp@pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan Bill, But PDF Raster *IS* PDF, and meets the requirements of IPP Scan. > On Sep 5, 2017, at 3:57 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote: >=20 > Mike, > Understood that IPPScan requires PDF. My comment was that downgrading tha= t requirement for scan services to PDF Raster would allow the lower end sca= nners that do not support full PDF (i.e. those devices for which PDF Raster= is intended) to still implement and claim support for IPP Scan. Understo= od that it is unclear whether PDF Scan really allows for a significantly si= mpler scanner, it would appear that this TWAIN effort would enable a class = of cloud-capable scanner that could not use IPP Scan. Indeed, it is unclea= r whether that would bother anyone. > =20 > Thanks, Bill Wagner > =20 > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > =20 > From: Michael Sweet > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:12 AM > To: William Wagner > Cc: Smith Kennedy; Paul Tykodi; ipp@pwg.org > Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan > =20 > Bill, > =20 > > On Sep 1, 2017, at 10:37 AM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote: > > > > By quick skim, PDF/Raster appears to be the raster capability the exist= s within PDF, with some additional restrictions. Not quite sure why it requ= ires a separate specification, except for the comment that it is the file = format required by =E2=80=9CTWAIN Working Group=E2=80=99s new TWAIN Direct = specification -- the first zero-footprint, cloud-based version of its royal= ty free open standard protocol that allows applications to talk directly to= document scanners without the need for vendor specific drivers.=E2=80=9D T= hat us the rub and would suggest that IPP Everwhere/Scan would have some v= ery serious competition, if we ever formalized it. The scanner industry has= a long history using TWAIN and, as in other areas, it will tend to continu= e with what is familiar. Still, a common imaging protocol for MFDs may find= some support. > > =20 > > The IPP Scan Service spec appears to require that Scan Services support= PDF. Modifying that to allow lower end devices to support a PDF subset no= t be a major effort and might have some benefit in showing some degree of u= niversality. Is there any product that uses IPP Scan? > =20 > I can't answer that specifically, but given that IPP Scan requires PDF su= pport and this is a strict PDF subset, there would be no problems supportin= g it in an IPP Scan implementation. We could even register this spec using= a pdf-versions-supported keyword value - no spec updates needed. > =20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer --_036104DC-A084-46E9-9300-24B8FE508A70_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

Mike,

OK. Then you are saying that a scanner implementing PDF/Raster satis= fies the IPP Scan requirement that =C2=A0=E2=80=9CScan Services MUST suppor= t generating Documents conforming to Document management =E2=80=94 Portable= document format =E2=80=94 Part 1: PDF 1.7 [ISO32000] " ? In that case= , one wonders why TWAIN /PDF would bother generating a new spec.

Thanks, BillW.

&n= bsp;

 

Sent from Ma= il for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Sweet=
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:01 PM
To: wamwagner@comcast.net
Cc: <= a href=3D"mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com">Smith Kennedy; Paul Tykodi; ipp@pw= g.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan

 

Bill,

 

But PDF Raster *IS= * PDF, and meets the requirements of IPP Scan.

 

 

> On Sep 5, 2017, at 3:57 PM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote:

>

> Mike,

> Understood that IPPScan requires PDF. My comment was that downgr= ading that requirement for scan services to PDF Raster would allow the lowe= r end scanners that do not support full PDF (i.e. those devices for which P= DF Raster is intended) to still implement and=C2=A0 claim support for IPP S= can.=C2=A0 Understood that it is unclear whether PDF Scan really allows for= a significantly simpler scanner, it would appear that this TWAIN effort wo= uld enable a class of cloud-capable=C2=A0 scanner that could not use IPP Sc= an. Indeed, it is unclear whether that would bother anyone.

>=C2=A0

> Thanks, Bill Wagner

>=C2=A0

> Sent from Mail = for Windows 10

>=C2=A0

= > From: Michael Sweet

> Sent: Tuesday, Septem= ber 5, 2017 8:12 AM

> To: William Wagner

> Cc: Smith Kennedy; Paul Tykodi; ipp@pwg.org

> Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan

>=C2=A0

> Bill,

>=C2=A0

> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 1= 0:37 AM, wamwagner@comcast.net wrote:

> >

=

> > By quick skim, PDF/Raster appears to be the = raster capability the exists within PDF, with some additional restrictions.= Not quite sure why it requires a separate specification, except for=C2=A0 = the comment that it is the file format required by =E2=80=9CTWAIN Working G= roup=E2=80=99s new TWAIN Direct specification -- the first zero-footprint, = cloud-based version of its royalty free open standard protocol that allows = applications to talk directly to document scanners without the need for ven= dor specific drivers.=E2=80=9D That us the rub and would suggest that IPP E= verwhere/Scan=C2=A0 would have some very serious competition, if we ever fo= rmalized it. The scanner industry has a long history using TWAIN and, as in= other areas, it will tend to continue with what is familiar. Still, a comm= on imaging protocol for MFDs may find some support.

> >=C2=A0

> > The IPP Scan Service sp= ec appears to require that Scan Services support PDF.=C2=A0 Modifying that = to allow lower end devices to support a PDF subset not be a major effort an= d might have some benefit in showing some degree of universality. Is there = any product that uses IPP Scan?

>=C2=A0

> I can't answer that specifically, but given that IPP = Scan requires PDF support and this is a strict PDF subset, there would be n= o problems supporting it in an IPP Scan implementation.=C2=A0 We could even= register this spec using a pdf-versions-supported keyword value - no spec = updates needed.

>=C2=A0

> _________________________________________________________

> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer

 

___________________= ______________________________________

Michael Swee= t, Senior Printing System Engineer

 

 

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Wed, 6 Sep 2017 06:50:24 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11973e12-a9e399c0000074fd-36-59affd2032ab Received: from nwk-mmpp-sz12.apple.com (nwk-mmpp-sz12.apple.com [17.128.115.204]) by relay5.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 67.6A.10385.02DFFA95; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 06:50:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [17.235.34.9] by nwk-mmpp-sz12.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.3.20170825 64bit (built Aug 25 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0OVV0053Q2FZ2S50@nwk-mmpp-sz12.apple.com>; Wed, 06 Sep 2017 06:50:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 09:50:21 -0400 Message-id: <99DB9E2B-B672-4FC4-A385-21D6431C9563@apple.com> References: <8E6689F8-D0BE-4F41-9F5B-8834E0F12612@apple.com> To: Smith Kennedy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrKLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAYoavwd32kwacuNYtj+16yWHR+s7Z4 1bWL2YHZY9e2nUwe8xZPZ/LYfOU5SwBzFJdNSmpOZllqkb5dAlfGznVtzAWnxSs+NR9jbWCc JdzFyMkhIWAicW9PD1sXIxeHkMBqJolfu2axwiT6F71ih0gcYpTYv6iJGSTBKyAo8WPyPZYu Rg4OZgF5iYPnZUHCzAJaEt8ftbJA1H9mlJj9YiUTSEJYQELieP9CVghbS+LOnJdgNpuAmsTv SX1gNqeAlcT1U9NZQGwWAVWJl2dbmCGGOkrsP3qKFWKvjcTWGV+hDlrAKPHs9lt2kISIgIbE hynNbBBXy0rcmn2JGaRIQmACm8TjVU3MExiFZyE5fBbC4bOQHL6AkXkVo1BuYmaObmaeiV5i QUFOql5yfu4mRlC4T7cT2sF4apXVIUYBDkYlHt4Jm9ZFCrEmlhVX5h5ilOZgURLnLXJZHykk kJ5YkpqdmlqQWhRfVJqTWnyIkYmDU6qBsVBs4ddCG9uD8Qq5zzdmNzmd3uDLt0Zd+ZzDW+lZ olxJezdnXr7jcOWA43mmdncZxkK/1gSxzPtb3Z4YR2+v/v/lxqODd9TEjuYyqLRWPmt4lVEw W6flVZN6TURF2rpATRFfZr+pqzu7r3+YPzlfQi7PwmuOjugPr88MORZbH+6TNOz60/ZLiaU4 I9FQi7moOBEAIZ0dI1gCAAA= X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrBLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FB8Rlfh7/pIg+trlSyO7XvJYtH5zdri VdcuZgdmj13bdjJ5zFs8nclj85XnLAHMUVw2Kak5mWWpRfp2CVwZO9e1MRecFq/41HyMtYFx lnAXIyeHhICJRP+iV+xdjFwcQgKHGCX2L2piBknwCghK/Jh8j6WLkYODWUBe4uB5WZAws4CW xPdHrSwQ9Z8ZJWa/WMkEkhAWkJA43r+QFcLWkrgz5yWYzSagJvF7Uh+YzSlgJXH91HQWEJtF QFXi5dkWZoihjhL7j55ihdhrI7F1xleogxYwSjy7/ZYdJCEioCHxYUozG8TVshK3Zl9insAo MAvJrbMQbp2F5NYFjMyrGAWKUnMSK031EgsKclL1kvNzNzGCw7MwYgfj/2VWhxgFOBiVeHgt NqyLFGJNLCuuzAUGBgezkghv1M/1kUK8KYmVValF+fFFpTmpxYcYpTlYlMR550wHSgmkJ5ak ZqemFqQWwWSZODilGhhN2N4d7XgQXma/ySBI7ueNJY91eiQC1t/ue3zxwgaHLKa19xYtqf5f +oN/TpTZhACW/BitSq5T/9iqdHL0Q5KmPTD+mGJm6ObGGfl7vmZBZILB16x/p9TuHQv9Eiyy Xjnkpb0HD88H9vtLlusJvn3Xosq7iPfmeRa+p0LfVQ4IL4tad/Na+1YlluKMREMt5qLiRABD 74i7SwIAAA== Cc: "ipp@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] PDF Raster and IPP Scan X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Smith, It is more of a receipt of the settings that were used for the scan - the PDF file is the result/output from the scan job. > On Sep 5, 2017, at 5:57 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) wrote: > > Is the XML metadata addition being used as a replacement for what might be conveyed over IPP as IPP attributes (e.g. "job ticket" type info)? > > >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 6:44 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: >> >> Paul, >> >> As this is a strict subset of PDF and IPP Scan requires PDF support, nothing needs to be added unless you want the Client to be able to explicitly ask for a particular subset of PDF... We could add a pdf-versions-supported keyword, but that is strictly informative... >> >> That said, this subset is almost exactly the same as the PDF/is specification the PWG published 13 years ago: >> >> http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-ifxpdfis10-20040315-5102.3.pdf >> >> The main differences appear to be: >> >> 1. No JBIG2 support (?!?) >> 2. Different file format identification methods: PDF/is adds a new object, while PDF Raster uses a comment in the trailer. >> 3. PDF Raster supports encryption while PDF/is does not, but that doesn't really matter - PDF encryption is a joke because key generation is weak. >> 4. PDF Raster adds an XML (Adobe XMP) metadata object. >> >> Both PDF/is and PDF Raster support banding, digital signing, and incremental/streamed writing. Both also support the same bi-level, grayscale, and RGB color color spaces and bit depths. >> >> The PDF Raster spec claims that it can be consumed by a simple parser, but I don't see how given that images can be banded - you will still need to implement a minimal page stream interpreter along with random access to the image objects. >> >> Finally, it looks like a PDF writer could generate a PDF file that conforms to BOTH PDF/is and PDF Raster - thus an IPP Scan implementation could (as part of the general PDF support requirement) produce PDF scan files compatible with both standards. But again, I don't think we need to update IPP Scan for this... >> >> >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Paul Tykodi wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I saw this announcement this morning. >>> >>> Should we consider adding support for this format in IPP Scan? >>> >>> http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/08/prweb14644230.htm >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> /Paul >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Sep 6 07:04:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEB2133003 for ; 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FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: hp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hp.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 06 Sep 2017 17:01:54.4027 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DF4PR84MB0091 Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] New draft of IPP Presets posted; discussion needed on storing presets in Printer X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8834854337486538205==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============8834854337486538205== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A75DF7D3-D3B7-4576-88A6-4CEC43C4E152"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_A75DF7D3-D3B7-4576-88A6-4CEC43C4E152 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Ira and Mike for your discussion! In an attempt to bring this to a conclusion and get a stable draft = created for review, is your consensus that, for the Presets white paper, = that Set-Printer-Attributes is the method of choice? If so, then is the = section 4.2 in the latest draft = (https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.pdf) = adequate or suitable? And that would also indicate that we ought to = remove section 4.3 that is a placeholder for defining Preset resources. Or should the Presets white paper not define a way to push a Preset = definition back to the Printer? If so, then both 4.2 and 4.3 should get = chopped and the use case / out of scope sections need to be updated. Smith > On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Ira McDonald = wrote: >=20 > Hi Mike, >=20 > Thanks - i agree with all your points. >=20 > Shoehorning presets into Resources would always be a bit strange. >=20 > Smith had (verbally) hoped to perhaps use Resources for finer-grained > access control (i.e., "this is a preset Resource for my user group"), = but > even so, there's no getting around that End Users shouldn't be doing > the Printer configuration (by whatever operations), so pushing Client > side presets to Printers from End Users just doesn't work. >=20 > I agree with your explicit precedence of attributes for = Create-Printer. >=20 > Pete's original thought about Job Template resources was that they > formed a neat alternative to a lot of pre-configured Printers (color, > double-sided, etc.). I'll give this a bit more thought. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Michael Sweet = wrote: > Ira, >=20 > > On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Ira McDonald = wrote: > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > For Create-Printer it's really nice to have a template-printer = Resource > > for each supported service type. >=20 > Agreed, and for a sometimes-used admin operation with likely vendor = extension attributes, I think it is appropriate. >=20 > I also think that we should define the semantics of template resources = in general, i.e., the order of precedence used in creation operations: >=20 > 1. Attributes in request (highest) > 2. Attributes in resource > 3. Default attributes (lowest) >=20 > That makes it clear how a template resource is applied during a create = request. >=20 > > I agree about the template-job (too heavyweight to configure). But > > we already plan that the HTTP PUT of a font to a well-known URL > > will quietly create a corresponding Resource object for that font. > > Why not do that simple HTTP PUT for job templates? >=20 > Well, while we do have HTTP PUT for creating and allocating Printer = resources (as defined in IPP INFRA), that interface is also quite = limited compared to using the Create-Resource operation since you cannot = specify a "resource-name" different from the filename in the PUT. So = either the Printer has to pull the "resource-name" value from the file's = metadata, e.g., the typeface name, and/or you use the "base name" from = the URL, e.g., = "http://printer.example.com/ipp/print/resources/Foo%20Bold.otf" has a = "resource-name" value of 'Foo Bold'. >=20 > For IPP messages we'd be limited to using the base name approach, = which means UTF-8 with percent escapes in the URL (ugh). >=20 > > Pete's retired from PWG work or he'd be speaking up for Job = Templates > > (they're part (in XML at present) of PWG Job Ticket spec). I think = the > > MIME type of a Job Template Resource should allow application/ipp > > or text/xml. >=20 > *If* an implementation chose to support a PWG PJT (with whichever = schema) we need to use a specific MIME media type for it, not just = "text/xml". Also, I believe IETF currently wants us to use = application-scoped media types for this kind of thing, so that would = probably mean registering "application/pwg-pjt+xml". >=20 > There is also the issue of schema versions - do we make that part of = the media type (a parameter) that can be included in = "resource-formats-supported" values? >=20 > > Is even the simple HTTP PUT support too much for IPP native job > > templates (i.e., wire-encoded IPP attributes, not PAPI or XML)? >=20 > The issue is how hard will it be for the Client to support them? = Doing N requests (Get-User/Printer-Resources + a bunch of HTTP GET = requests) to get presets (which is all Job Template resources are) is = inefficient and complicated compared to looking at a single collection = attribute that is returned by the (common) Get-Printer-Attributes = request that Clients already do. >=20 > I can also say we (Apple) are more likely to support the "job-presets" = and "job-triggers" attributes than we are to support Job Template = resources - philosophically they are better aligned with how presets and = our internal trigger implementations work on macOS, and adding support = for them will be easier (since we already have the interface for = querying Printer attributes) than if we have to add additional code to = query and pull resources. And because there are fewer requests, the = time to show the Print UI will remain low. >=20 > Many Printers also already support Set-Printer-Attributes, so I think = adding support for a couple attributes will be easier than adding all of = the resource infrastructure. >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_A75DF7D3-D3B7-4576-88A6-4CEC43C4E152 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIMbzCCBiww ggUUoAMCAQICEERH5SPSzVXgy10mZYbUYM8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwgaYxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVT MQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZIUCBJbmMxHzAdBgNVBAsTFlN5bWFudGVjIFRydXN0IE5ldHdvcmsxNTAzBgNV BAsTLENsYXNzIDIgTWFuYWdlZCBQS0kgSW5kaXZpZHVhbCBTdWJzY3JpYmVyIENBMS4wLAYDVQQD EyVDb2xsYWJvcmF0aW9uIENlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gQXV0aG9yaXR5MB4XDTE2MTEwNzAwMDAwMFoX 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boundary="===============0887671212505334906==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============0887671212505334906== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11455fdcda76f7055888e7a0" --001a11455fdcda76f7055888e7a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Smith, I agree with Mike that the Presets white paper should define the Printer attributes for persistent Presets that are configured by the Administrator (never by a User) using Set-Printer-Attributes and Presets should NOT be a subclass of template Resources. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: > Thanks Ira and Mike for your discussion! > > In an attempt to bring this to a conclusion and get a stable draft created > for review, is your consensus that, for the Presets white paper, that > Set-Printer-Attributes is the method of choice? If so, then is the section > 4.2 in the latest draft (https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ > ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.pdf) adequate or suitable? And that > would also indicate that we ought to remove section 4.3 that is a > placeholder for defining Preset resources. > > Or should the Presets white paper not define a way to push a Preset > definition back to the Printer? If so, then both 4.2 and 4.3 should get > chopped and the use case / out of scope sections need to be updated. > > Smith > > > > > On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Ira McDonald > wrote: > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Thanks - i agree with all your points. > > > > Shoehorning presets into Resources would always be a bit strange. > > > > Smith had (verbally) hoped to perhaps use Resources for finer-grained > > access control (i.e., "this is a preset Resource for my user group"), but > > even so, there's no getting around that End Users shouldn't be doing > > the Printer configuration (by whatever operations), so pushing Client > > side presets to Printers from End Users just doesn't work. > > > > I agree with your explicit precedence of attributes for Create-Printer. > > > > Pete's original thought about Job Template resources was that they > > formed a neat alternative to a lot of pre-configured Printers (color, > > double-sided, etc.). I'll give this a bit more thought. > > > > Cheers, > > - Ira > > > > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > > Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > Ira, > > > > > On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Ira McDonald > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > For Create-Printer it's really nice to have a template-printer Resource > > > for each supported service type. > > > > Agreed, and for a sometimes-used admin operation with likely vendor > extension attributes, I think it is appropriate. > > > > I also think that we should define the semantics of template resources > in general, i.e., the order of precedence used in creation operations: > > > > 1. Attributes in request (highest) > > 2. Attributes in resource > > 3. Default attributes (lowest) > > > > That makes it clear how a template resource is applied during a create > request. > > > > > I agree about the template-job (too heavyweight to configure). But > > > we already plan that the HTTP PUT of a font to a well-known URL > > > will quietly create a corresponding Resource object for that font. > > > Why not do that simple HTTP PUT for job templates? > > > > Well, while we do have HTTP PUT for creating and allocating Printer > resources (as defined in IPP INFRA), that interface is also quite limited > compared to using the Create-Resource operation since you cannot specify a > "resource-name" different from the filename in the PUT. So either the > Printer has to pull the "resource-name" value from the file's metadata, > e.g., the typeface name, and/or you use the "base name" from the URL, e.g., > "http://printer.example.com/ipp/print/resources/Foo%20Bold.otf" has a > "resource-name" value of 'Foo Bold'. > > > > For IPP messages we'd be limited to using the base name approach, which > means UTF-8 with percent escapes in the URL (ugh). > > > > > Pete's retired from PWG work or he'd be speaking up for Job Templates > > > (they're part (in XML at present) of PWG Job Ticket spec). I think the > > > MIME type of a Job Template Resource should allow application/ipp > > > or text/xml. > > > > *If* an implementation chose to support a PWG PJT (with whichever > schema) we need to use a specific MIME media type for it, not just > "text/xml". Also, I believe IETF currently wants us to use > application-scoped media types for this kind of thing, so that would > probably mean registering "application/pwg-pjt+xml". > > > > There is also the issue of schema versions - do we make that part of the > media type (a parameter) that can be included in > "resource-formats-supported" values? > > > > > Is even the simple HTTP PUT support too much for IPP native job > > > templates (i.e., wire-encoded IPP attributes, not PAPI or XML)? > > > > The issue is how hard will it be for the Client to support them? Doing > N requests (Get-User/Printer-Resources + a bunch of HTTP GET requests) to > get presets (which is all Job Template resources are) is inefficient and > complicated compared to looking at a single collection attribute that is > returned by the (common) Get-Printer-Attributes request that Clients > already do. > > > > I can also say we (Apple) are more likely to support the "job-presets" > and "job-triggers" attributes than we are to support Job Template resources > - philosophically they are better aligned with how presets and our internal > trigger implementations work on macOS, and adding support for them will be > easier (since we already have the interface for querying Printer > attributes) than if we have to add additional code to query and pull > resources. And because there are fewer requests, the time to show the > Print UI will remain low. > > > > Many Printers also already support Set-Printer-Attributes, so I think > adding support for a couple attributes will be easier than adding all of > the resource infrastructure. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > > > > > --001a11455fdcda76f7055888e7a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith,

I agree wi= th Mike that the Presets white paper should define the Printer attributes
for persistent Presets that are configured by the Administrator (ne= ver by a User)
using Set-Printer-Attributes and Presets should NO= T be a subclass of template
Resources.

Ch= eers,
- Ira


=
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Ar= chitect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux F= oundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working GroupCo-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated= Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
= http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthincmailto: blue= roofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0= 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 498= 39=C2=A0 906-494-2434


On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Kennedy, Smi= th (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
=
Thanks Ira and Mike for your discussion!

In an attempt to bring this to a conclusion and get a stable draft created = for review, is your consensus that, for the Presets white paper, that Set-P= rinter-Attributes is the method of choice? If so, then is the section 4.2 i= n the latest draft (https://ftp= .pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.pdf) a= dequate or suitable? And that would also indicate that we ought to remove s= ection 4.3 that is a placeholder for defining Preset resources.

Or should the Presets white paper not define a way to push a Preset definit= ion back to the Printer? If so, then both 4.2 and 4.3 should get chopped an= d the use case / out of scope sections need to be updated.

Smith



> On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Thanks - i agree with all your points.
>
> Shoehorning presets into Resources would always be a bit strange.
>
> Smith had (verbally) hoped to perhaps use Resources for finer-grained<= br> > access control (i.e., "this is a preset Resource for my user grou= p"), but
> even so, there's no getting around that End Users shouldn't be= doing
> the Printer configuration (by whatever operations), so pushing Client<= br> > side presets to Printers from End Users just doesn't work.
>
> I agree with your explicit precedence of attributes for Create-Printer= .
>
> Pete's original thought about Job Template resources was that they=
> formed a neat alternative to a lot of pre-configured Printers (color,<= br> > double-sided, etc.).=C2=A0 I'll give this a bit more thought.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail= .com
> Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
> May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
> Ira,
>
> > On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > For Create-Printer it's really nice to have a template-printe= r Resource
> > for each supported service type.
>
> Agreed, and for a sometimes-used admin operation with likely vendor ex= tension attributes, I think it is appropriate.
>
> I also think that we should define the semantics of template resources= in general, i.e., the order of precedence used in creation operations:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01. Attributes in request (highest)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02. Attributes in resource
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03. Default attributes (lowest)
>
> That makes it clear how a template resource is applied during a create= request.
>
> > I agree about the template-job (too heavyweight to configure).=C2= =A0 But
> > we already plan that the HTTP PUT of a font to a well-known URL > > will quietly create a corresponding Resource object for that font= .
> > Why not do that simple HTTP PUT for job templates?
>
> Well, while we do have HTTP PUT for creating and allocating Printer re= sources (as defined in IPP INFRA), that interface is also quite limited com= pared to using the Create-Resource operation since you cannot specify a &qu= ot;resource-name" different from the filename in the PUT.=C2=A0 So eit= her the Printer has to pull the "resource-name" value from the fi= le's metadata, e.g., the typeface name, and/or you use the "base n= ame" from the URL, e.g., "htt= p://printer.example.com/ipp/print/resources/Foo%20Bold.otf&qu= ot; has a "resource-name" value of 'Foo Bold'.
>
> For IPP messages we'd be limited to using the base name approach, = which means UTF-8 with percent escapes in the URL (ugh).
>
> > Pete's retired from PWG work or he'd be speaking up for J= ob Templates
> > (they're part (in XML at present) of PWG Job Ticket spec).=C2= =A0 I think the
> > MIME type of a Job Template Resource should allow application/ipp=
> > or text/xml.
>
> *If* an implementation chose to support a PWG PJT (with whichever sche= ma) we need to use a specific MIME media type for it, not just "text/x= ml".=C2=A0 Also, I believe IETF currently wants us to use application-= scoped media types for this kind of thing, so that would probably mean regi= stering "application/pwg-pjt+xml".
>
> There is also the issue of schema versions - do we make that part of t= he media type (a parameter) that can be included in "resource-formats-= supported" values?
>
> > Is even the simple HTTP PUT support too much for IPP native job > > templates (i.e., wire-encoded IPP attributes, not PAPI or XML)? >
> The issue is how hard will it be for the Client to support them?=C2=A0= Doing N requests (Get-User/Printer-Resources + a bunch of HTTP GET request= s) to get presets (which is all Job Template resources are) is inefficient = and complicated compared to looking at a single collection attribute that i= s returned by the (common) Get-Printer-Attributes request that Clients alre= ady do.
>
> I can also say we (Apple) are more likely to support the "job-pre= sets" and "job-triggers" attributes than we are to support J= ob Template resources - philosophically they are better aligned with how pr= esets and our internal trigger implementations work on macOS, and adding su= pport for them will be easier (since we already have the interface for quer= ying Printer attributes) than if we have to add additional code to query an= d pull resources.=C2=A0 And because there are fewer requests, the time to s= how the Print UI will remain low.
>
> Many Printers also already support Set-Printer-Attributes, so I think = adding support for a couple attributes will be easier than adding all of th= e resource infrastructure.
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer
>
>


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<7F2F8809-E286-410C-A152-287D1E715732@hp.com> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 18:52:45 -0400 Message-id: <7FFC6570-324B-4E37-B43B-48E62423D4A9@apple.com> References: <595ACEAD-FC87-4EB3-A89E-416DCA68E526@apple.com> <505ADDF2-55F9-44DB-9557-809C8302FFE4@apple.com> <51AA13A8-AFB7-4414-AAFD-1CB379C17011@hp.com> <7F2F8809-E286-410C-A152-287D1E715732@hp.com> To: Smith Kennedy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrOLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAYpetYsyHSoH2WrMXrV0vZLY7te8li 8aprF7MDs8fOWXfZPXZt28nkMW/xdKYA5igum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujDfTljAVTHOsWPGjlbmB 8bhJFyMnh4SAicTNidvYuhi5OIQE1jBJvLv8nwkmcXbVQlaIxCFGiT/t85lBErwCghI/Jt9j 6WLk4GAWkJc4eF4WJMwsoCXx/VErC0T9V0aJL4/fMYIkhAUkJI73gwwCsVMl1m78DTaHTUBN 4vekPrA4p4CVxN9j88BsFgFViW97LjNBDPWTmHf5NhPEXhuJgzvvM0MsOMci8fvXCrBBIgIa Eh+mNLNBXC0rcWv2JbAiCYEJbBId1y4xTWAUnoXk8FkIh89CcvgCRuZVjMK5iZk5upl5RiZ6 iQUFOal6yfm5mxhBIb+aSWIH45fXhocYBTgYlXh4E/6vjxRiTSwrrsw9xCjNwaIkzjvTBSgk kJ5YkpqdmlqQWhRfVJqTWnyIkYmDU6qB0bTw7MOJ236V7nFzNBW8XeVneX51tU3LvHW1lywD 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Presets posted; discussion needed on storing presets in Printer X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Smith, The same attributes would be used. That said, it might be useful to say that the Get-Printer-Supported-Values operation will return the standard (vendor-supplied) values for these attributes (without any locally-added presets or triggers). > On Sep 6, 2017, at 5:51 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) wrote: > > Would these attributes be any different then the attributes that are already defined in the current draft? Or does the Set-Printer-Attributes case necessitate the need to define additional attributes? > > Cheers, > Smith > --- > > Smith Kennedy > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: > >> Hi Smith, >> >> I agree with Mike that the Presets white paper should define the Printer attributes >> for persistent Presets that are configured by the Administrator (never by a User) >> using Set-Printer-Attributes and Presets should NOT be a subclass of template >> Resources. >> >> Cheers, >> - Ira >> >> >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group >> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 >> May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) wrote: >> Thanks Ira and Mike for your discussion! >> >> In an attempt to bring this to a conclusion and get a stable draft created for review, is your consensus that, for the Presets white paper, that Set-Printer-Attributes is the method of choice? If so, then is the section 4.2 in the latest draft (https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.pdf) adequate or suitable? And that would also indicate that we ought to remove section 4.3 that is a placeholder for defining Preset resources. >> >> Or should the Presets white paper not define a way to push a Preset definition back to the Printer? If so, then both 4.2 and 4.3 should get chopped and the use case / out of scope sections need to be updated. >> >> Smith >> >> >> >> > On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: >> > >> > Hi Mike, >> > >> > Thanks - i agree with all your points. >> > >> > Shoehorning presets into Resources would always be a bit strange. >> > >> > Smith had (verbally) hoped to perhaps use Resources for finer-grained >> > access control (i.e., "this is a preset Resource for my user group"), but >> > even so, there's no getting around that End Users shouldn't be doing >> > the Printer configuration (by whatever operations), so pushing Client >> > side presets to Printers from End Users just doesn't work. >> > >> > I agree with your explicit precedence of attributes for Create-Printer. >> > >> > Pete's original thought about Job Template resources was that they >> > formed a neat alternative to a lot of pre-configured Printers (color, >> > double-sided, etc.). I'll give this a bit more thought. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > - Ira >> > >> > >> > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG >> > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group >> > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG >> > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc >> > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> > Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 >> > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >> > Ira, >> > >> > > On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi Mike, >> > > >> > > For Create-Printer it's really nice to have a template-printer Resource >> > > for each supported service type. >> > >> > Agreed, and for a sometimes-used admin operation with likely vendor extension attributes, I think it is appropriate. >> > >> > I also think that we should define the semantics of template resources in general, i.e., the order of precedence used in creation operations: >> > >> > 1. Attributes in request (highest) >> > 2. Attributes in resource >> > 3. Default attributes (lowest) >> > >> > That makes it clear how a template resource is applied during a create request. >> > >> > > I agree about the template-job (too heavyweight to configure). But >> > > we already plan that the HTTP PUT of a font to a well-known URL >> > > will quietly create a corresponding Resource object for that font. >> > > Why not do that simple HTTP PUT for job templates? >> > >> > Well, while we do have HTTP PUT for creating and allocating Printer resources (as defined in IPP INFRA), that interface is also quite limited compared to using the Create-Resource operation since you cannot specify a "resource-name" different from the filename in the PUT. So either the Printer has to pull the "resource-name" value from the file's metadata, e.g., the typeface name, and/or you use the "base name" from the URL, e.g., "http://printer.example.com/ipp/print/resources/Foo%20Bold.otf" has a "resource-name" value of 'Foo Bold'. >> > >> > For IPP messages we'd be limited to using the base name approach, which means UTF-8 with percent escapes in the URL (ugh). >> > >> > > Pete's retired from PWG work or he'd be speaking up for Job Templates >> > > (they're part (in XML at present) of PWG Job Ticket spec). I think the >> > > MIME type of a Job Template Resource should allow application/ipp >> > > or text/xml. >> > >> > *If* an implementation chose to support a PWG PJT (with whichever schema) we need to use a specific MIME media type for it, not just "text/xml". Also, I believe IETF currently wants us to use application-scoped media types for this kind of thing, so that would probably mean registering "application/pwg-pjt+xml". >> > >> > There is also the issue of schema versions - do we make that part of the media type (a parameter) that can be included in "resource-formats-supported" values? >> > >> > > Is even the simple HTTP PUT support too much for IPP native job >> > > templates (i.e., wire-encoded IPP attributes, not PAPI or XML)? >> > >> > The issue is how hard will it be for the Client to support them? Doing N requests (Get-User/Printer-Resources + a bunch of HTTP GET requests) to get presets (which is all Job Template resources are) is inefficient and complicated compared to looking at a single collection attribute that is returned by the (common) Get-Printer-Attributes request that Clients already do. >> > >> > I can also say we (Apple) are more likely to support the "job-presets" and "job-triggers" attributes than we are to support Job Template resources - philosophically they are better aligned with how presets and our internal trigger implementations work on macOS, and adding support for them will be easier (since we already have the interface for querying Printer attributes) than if we have to add additional code to query and pull resources. And because there are fewer requests, the time to show the Print UI will remain low. >> > >> > Many Printers also already support Set-Printer-Attributes, so I think adding support for a couple attributes will be easier than adding all of the resource infrastructure. >> > >> > _________________________________________________________ >> > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >> > >> > >> >> _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Sep 6 16:45:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BF4132196 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:45:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.16 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.16 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.428, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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boundary="089e08e53c2908bd6505588def67" --089e08e53c2908bd6505588def67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Smith, Nope - existing attributes are fine. No changes needed. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: > Would these attributes be any different then the attributes that are > already defined in the current draft? Or does the Set-Printer-Attributes > case necessitate the need to define additional attributes? > > Cheers, > Smith > --- > > Smith Kennedy > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi Smith, > > I agree with Mike that the Presets white paper should define the Printer > attributes > for persistent Presets that are configured by the Administrator (never by > a User) > using Set-Printer-Attributes and Presets should NOT be a subclass of > template > Resources. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > <(734)%20944-0094> > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > <(906)%20494-2434> > > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < > smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Ira and Mike for your discussion! >> >> In an attempt to bring this to a conclusion and get a stable draft >> created for review, is your consensus that, for the Presets white paper, >> that Set-Printer-Attributes is the method of choice? If so, then is the >> section 4.2 in the latest draft (https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/i >> pp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.pdf) adequate or suitable? And that >> would also indicate that we ought to remove section 4.3 that is a >> placeholder for defining Preset resources. >> >> Or should the Presets white paper not define a way to push a Preset >> definition back to the Printer? If so, then both 4.2 and 4.3 should get >> chopped and the use case / out of scope sections need to be updated. >> >> Smith >> >> >> >> > On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Ira McDonald >> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Mike, >> > >> > Thanks - i agree with all your points. >> > >> > Shoehorning presets into Resources would always be a bit strange. >> > >> > Smith had (verbally) hoped to perhaps use Resources for finer-grained >> > access control (i.e., "this is a preset Resource for my user group"), >> but >> > even so, there's no getting around that End Users shouldn't be doing >> > the Printer configuration (by whatever operations), so pushing Client >> > side presets to Printers from End Users just doesn't work. >> > >> > I agree with your explicit precedence of attributes for Create-Printer. >> > >> > Pete's original thought about Job Template resources was that they >> > formed a neat alternative to a lot of pre-configured Printers (color, >> > double-sided, etc.). I'll give this a bit more thought. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > - Ira >> > >> > >> > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG >> > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group >> > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG >> > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc >> > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> > Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 >> > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Michael Sweet >> wrote: >> > Ira, >> > >> > > On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Ira McDonald >> wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi Mike, >> > > >> > > For Create-Printer it's really nice to have a template-printer >> Resource >> > > for each supported service type. >> > >> > Agreed, and for a sometimes-used admin operation with likely vendor >> extension attributes, I think it is appropriate. >> > >> > I also think that we should define the semantics of template resources >> in general, i.e., the order of precedence used in creation operations: >> > >> > 1. Attributes in request (highest) >> > 2. Attributes in resource >> > 3. Default attributes (lowest) >> > >> > That makes it clear how a template resource is applied during a create >> request. >> > >> > > I agree about the template-job (too heavyweight to configure). But >> > > we already plan that the HTTP PUT of a font to a well-known URL >> > > will quietly create a corresponding Resource object for that font. >> > > Why not do that simple HTTP PUT for job templates? >> > >> > Well, while we do have HTTP PUT for creating and allocating Printer >> resources (as defined in IPP INFRA), that interface is also quite limited >> compared to using the Create-Resource operation since you cannot specify a >> "resource-name" different from the filename in the PUT. So either the >> Printer has to pull the "resource-name" value from the file's metadata, >> e.g., the typeface name, and/or you use the "base name" from the URL, e.g., >> "http://printer.example.com/ipp/print/resources/Foo%20Bold.otf" has a >> "resource-name" value of 'Foo Bold'. >> > >> > For IPP messages we'd be limited to using the base name approach, which >> means UTF-8 with percent escapes in the URL (ugh). >> > >> > > Pete's retired from PWG work or he'd be speaking up for Job Templates >> > > (they're part (in XML at present) of PWG Job Ticket spec). I think >> the >> > > MIME type of a Job Template Resource should allow application/ipp >> > > or text/xml. >> > >> > *If* an implementation chose to support a PWG PJT (with whichever >> schema) we need to use a specific MIME media type for it, not just >> "text/xml". Also, I believe IETF currently wants us to use >> application-scoped media types for this kind of thing, so that would >> probably mean registering "application/pwg-pjt+xml". >> > >> > There is also the issue of schema versions - do we make that part of >> the media type (a parameter) that can be included in >> "resource-formats-supported" values? >> > >> > > Is even the simple HTTP PUT support too much for IPP native job >> > > templates (i.e., wire-encoded IPP attributes, not PAPI or XML)? >> > >> > The issue is how hard will it be for the Client to support them? Doing >> N requests (Get-User/Printer-Resources + a bunch of HTTP GET requests) to >> get presets (which is all Job Template resources are) is inefficient and >> complicated compared to looking at a single collection attribute that is >> returned by the (common) Get-Printer-Attributes request that Clients >> already do. >> > >> > I can also say we (Apple) are more likely to support the "job-presets" >> and "job-triggers" attributes than we are to support Job Template resources >> - philosophically they are better aligned with how presets and our internal >> trigger implementations work on macOS, and adding support for them will be >> easier (since we already have the interface for querying Printer >> attributes) than if we have to add additional code to query and pull >> resources. And because there are fewer requests, the time to show the >> Print UI will remain low. >> > >> > Many Printers also already support Set-Printer-Attributes, so I think >> adding support for a couple attributes will be easier than adding all of >> the resource infrastructure. >> > >> > _________________________________________________________ >> > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >> > >> > >> >> > --089e08e53c2908bd6505588def67 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith,

Nope - existing attr= ibutes are fine.=C2=A0 No changes needed.

Cheers,
- I= ra

=
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair -= TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printin= g WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO= PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Pr= inter MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0= 094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434<= br>

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Kennedy, Smi= th (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
=
Would these attributes be any different then the attributes that are a= lready defined in the current draft? Or does the Set-Printer-Attributes cas= e necessitate the need to define additional attributes?

Cheers,
Smith
---

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Smith Kennedy
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0HP Inc.


On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Smith,

I agree with Mike that the Presets white paper should define the Printer at= tributes
for persistent Presets that are configured by the Administrator (never by a= User)
using Set-Printer-Attributes and Presets should NOT be a subclass of t= emplate
Resources.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusi= c
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc<= /a>
mailto:
bluero= ofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0
906-494-2434


On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Kennedy, Smith (= Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
Thanks Ira and Mike for your discussion!

In an attempt to bring this to a conclusion and get a stable draft created = for review, is your consensus that, for the Presets white paper, that Set-P= rinter-Attributes is the method of choice? If so, then is the section 4.2 i= n the latest draft (https://ftp= .pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.pdf) adequate or suitable? And that would also indicate that we ought to remove= section 4.3 that is a placeholder for defining Preset resources.

Or should the Presets white paper not define a way to push a Preset definit= ion back to the Printer? If so, then both 4.2 and 4.3 should get chopped an= d the use case / out of scope sections need to be updated.

Smith



> On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote= :
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Thanks - i agree with all your points.
>
> Shoehorning presets into Resources would always be a bit strange.
>
> Smith had (verbally) hoped to perhaps use Resources for finer-grained<= br> > access control (i.e., "this is a preset Resource for my user grou= p"), but
> even so, there's no getting around that End Users shouldn't be= doing
> the Printer configuration (by whatever operations), so pushing Client<= br> > side presets to Printers from End Users just doesn't work.
>
> I agree with your explicit precedence of attributes for Create-Printer= .
>
> Pete's original thought about Job Template resources was that they=
> formed a neat alternative to a lot of pre-configured Printers (color,<= br> > double-sided, etc.).=C2=A0 I'll give this a bit more thought.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto: b= lueroofmusic@gmail.com
> Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
> May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
> Ira,
>
> > On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> w= rote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > For Create-Printer it's really nice to have a template-printe= r Resource
> > for each supported service type.
>
> Agreed, and for a sometimes-used admin operation with likely vendor ex= tension attributes, I think it is appropriate.
>
> I also think that we should define the semantics of template resources= in general, i.e., the order of precedence used in creation operations:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01. Attributes in request (highest)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02. Attributes in resource
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03. Default attributes (lowest)
>
> That makes it clear how a template resource is applied during a create= request.
>
> > I agree about the template-job (too heavyweight to configure).=C2= =A0 But
> > we already plan that the HTTP PUT of a font to a well-known URL > > will quietly create a corresponding Resource object for that font= .
> > Why not do that simple HTTP PUT for job templates?
>
> Well, while we do have HTTP PUT for creating and allocating Printer re= sources (as defined in IPP INFRA), that interface is also quite limited com= pared to using the Create-Resource operation since you cannot specify a &qu= ot;resource-name" different from the filename in the PUT.=C2=A0 So either the Printer has to pull the "resource-nam= e" value from the file's metadata, e.g., the typeface name, and/or= you use the "base name" from the URL, e.g., "http://printer.example.com/ipp/print/resources/F= oo%20Bold.otf" has a "resource-name" value of 'Foo Bold'.
>
> For IPP messages we'd be limited to using the base name approach, = which means UTF-8 with percent escapes in the URL (ugh).
>
> > Pete's retired from PWG work or he'd be speaking up for J= ob Templates
> > (they're part (in XML at present) of PWG Job Ticket spec).=C2= =A0 I think the
> > MIME type of a Job Template Resource should allow application/ipp=
> > or text/xml.
>
> *If* an implementation chose to support a PWG PJT (with whichever sche= ma) we need to use a specific MIME media type for it, not just "text/x= ml".=C2=A0 Also, I believe IETF currently wants us to use application-= scoped media types for this kind of thing, so that would probably mean registering "application/pwg-pjt+xml".
>
> There is also the issue of schema versions - do we make that part of t= he media type (a parameter) that can be included in "resource-formats-= supported" values?
>
> > Is even the simple HTTP PUT support too much for IPP native job > > templates (i.e., wire-encoded IPP attributes, not PAPI or XML)? >
> The issue is how hard will it be for the Client to support them?=C2=A0= Doing N requests (Get-User/Printer-Resources + a bunch of HTTP GET request= s) to get presets (which is all Job Template resources are) is inefficient = and complicated compared to looking at a single collection attribute that is returned by the (common) Get-Printer-A= ttributes request that Clients already do.
>
> I can also say we (Apple) are more likely to support the "job-pre= sets" and "job-triggers" attributes than we are to support J= ob Template resources - philosophically they are better aligned with how pr= esets and our internal trigger implementations work on macOS, and adding support for them will be easier (since we already have t= he interface for querying Printer attributes) than if we have to add additi= onal code to query and pull resources.=C2=A0 And because there are fewer re= quests, the time to show the Print UI will remain low.
>
> Many Printers also already support Set-Printer-Attributes, so I think = adding support for a couple attributes will be easier than adding all of th= e resource infrastructure.
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer
>
>



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Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi Smith, > > Nope - existing attributes are fine. No changes needed. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > <(734)%20944-0094> > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > <(906)%20494-2434> > > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < > smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: > >> Would these attributes be any different then the attributes that are >> already defined in the current draft? Or does the Set-Printer-Attributes >> case necessitate the need to define additional attributes? >> >> Cheers, >> Smith >> --- >> >> Smith Kennedy >> Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS >> Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum >> Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group >> HP Inc. >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Ira McDonald >> wrote: >> >> Hi Smith, >> >> I agree with Mike that the Presets white paper should define the Printer >> attributes >> for persistent Presets that are configured by the Administrator (never by >> a User) >> using Set-Printer-Attributes and Presets should NOT be a subclass of >> template >> Resources. >> >> Cheers, >> - Ira >> >> >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group >> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 >> <(734)%20944-0094> >> May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >> <(906)%20494-2434> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < >> smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Ira and Mike for your discussion! >>> >>> In an attempt to bring this to a conclusion and get a stable draft >>> created for review, is your consensus that, for the Presets white paper, >>> that Set-Printer-Attributes is the method of choice? If so, then is the >>> section 4.2 in the latest draft (https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/i >>> pp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.pdf) adequate or suitable? And >>> that would also indicate that we ought to remove section 4.3 that is a >>> placeholder for defining Preset resources. >>> >>> Or should the Presets white paper not define a way to push a Preset >>> definition back to the Printer? If so, then both 4.2 and 4.3 should get >>> chopped and the use case / out of scope sections need to be updated. >>> >>> Smith >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Ira McDonald >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Mike, >>> > >>> > Thanks - i agree with all your points. >>> > >>> > Shoehorning presets into Resources would always be a bit strange. >>> > >>> > Smith had (verbally) hoped to perhaps use Resources for finer-grained >>> > access control (i.e., "this is a preset Resource for my user group"), >>> but >>> > even so, there's no getting around that End Users shouldn't be doing >>> > the Printer configuration (by whatever operations), so pushing Client >>> > side presets to Printers from End Users just doesn't work. >>> > >>> > I agree with your explicit precedence of attributes for Create-Printer. >>> > >>> > Pete's original thought about Job Template resources was that they >>> > formed a neat alternative to a lot of pre-configured Printers (color, >>> > double-sided, etc.). I'll give this a bit more thought. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > - Ira >>> > >>> > >>> > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >>> > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG >>> > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >>> > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group >>> > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG >>> > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >>> > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc >>> > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >>> > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >>> > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com >>> > Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 >>> > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Michael Sweet >>> wrote: >>> > Ira, >>> > >>> > > On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Ira McDonald >>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Hi Mike, >>> > > >>> > > For Create-Printer it's really nice to have a template-printer >>> Resource >>> > > for each supported service type. >>> > >>> > Agreed, and for a sometimes-used admin operation with likely vendor >>> extension attributes, I think it is appropriate. >>> > >>> > I also think that we should define the semantics of template resources >>> in general, i.e., the order of precedence used in creation operations: >>> > >>> > 1. Attributes in request (highest) >>> > 2. Attributes in resource >>> > 3. Default attributes (lowest) >>> > >>> > That makes it clear how a template resource is applied during a create >>> request. >>> > >>> > > I agree about the template-job (too heavyweight to configure). But >>> > > we already plan that the HTTP PUT of a font to a well-known URL >>> > > will quietly create a corresponding Resource object for that font. >>> > > Why not do that simple HTTP PUT for job templates? >>> > >>> > Well, while we do have HTTP PUT for creating and allocating Printer >>> resources (as defined in IPP INFRA), that interface is also quite limited >>> compared to using the Create-Resource operation since you cannot specify a >>> "resource-name" different from the filename in the PUT. So either the >>> Printer has to pull the "resource-name" value from the file's metadata, >>> e.g., the typeface name, and/or you use the "base name" from the URL, e.g., >>> "http://printer.example.com/ipp/print/resources/Foo%20Bold.otf" has a >>> "resource-name" value of 'Foo Bold'. >>> > >>> > For IPP messages we'd be limited to using the base name approach, >>> which means UTF-8 with percent escapes in the URL (ugh). >>> > >>> > > Pete's retired from PWG work or he'd be speaking up for Job Templates >>> > > (they're part (in XML at present) of PWG Job Ticket spec). I think >>> the >>> > > MIME type of a Job Template Resource should allow application/ipp >>> > > or text/xml. >>> > >>> > *If* an implementation chose to support a PWG PJT (with whichever >>> schema) we need to use a specific MIME media type for it, not just >>> "text/xml". Also, I believe IETF currently wants us to use >>> application-scoped media types for this kind of thing, so that would >>> probably mean registering "application/pwg-pjt+xml". >>> > >>> > There is also the issue of schema versions - do we make that part of >>> the media type (a parameter) that can be included in >>> "resource-formats-supported" values? >>> > >>> > > Is even the simple HTTP PUT support too much for IPP native job >>> > > templates (i.e., wire-encoded IPP attributes, not PAPI or XML)? >>> > >>> > The issue is how hard will it be for the Client to support them? >>> Doing N requests (Get-User/Printer-Resources + a bunch of HTTP GET >>> requests) to get presets (which is all Job Template resources are) is >>> inefficient and complicated compared to looking at a single collection >>> attribute that is returned by the (common) Get-Printer-Attributes request >>> that Clients already do. >>> > >>> > I can also say we (Apple) are more likely to support the "job-presets" >>> and "job-triggers" attributes than we are to support Job Template resources >>> - philosophically they are better aligned with how presets and our internal >>> trigger implementations work on macOS, and adding support for them will be >>> easier (since we already have the interface for querying Printer >>> attributes) than if we have to add additional code to query and pull >>> resources. And because there are fewer requests, the time to show the >>> Print UI will remain low. >>> > >>> > Many Printers also already support Set-Printer-Attributes, so I think >>> adding support for a couple attributes will be easier than adding all of >>> the resource infrastructure. >>> > >>> > _________________________________________________________ >>> > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> > --94eb2c06adc0cf56cf05588df59a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith,

Oops - yes Mike= 's point about Get-Printer-Supported-Values not
returning the = locally added Presets is worth explicitly mentioning.

Cheers,<= br>
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architec= t)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundat= ion Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-C= hair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Exper= t - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
ma= ilto: blueroof= music@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 481= 76=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839= =C2=A0 906-494-2434


On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Ira McDonald= <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Smith,

Nope -= existing attributes are fine.=C2=A0 No changes needed.

Cheers= ,
- Ira

Ira Mc= Donald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility S= olutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEE= E-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing = Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof = Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.= com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sit= es.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-Ap= ril: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
M= ay-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434
<= div style=3D"display:inline">

On Wed, Sep 6,= 2017 at 5:51 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <= ;smith.kennedy@hp= .com> wrote:
Would these attributes be any different then the attributes that are a= lready defined in the current draft? Or does the Set-Printer-Attributes cas= e necessitate the need to define additional attributes?

Cheers,
Smith
---

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Smith Kennedy
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0Standards - PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0HP Inc.


On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Smith,

I agree with Mike that the Presets white paper should define the Printer at= tributes
for persistent Presets that are configured by the Administrator (never by a= User)
using Set-Printer-Attributes and Presets should NOT be a subclass of t= emplate
Resources.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusi= c
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc<= /a>
mailto:
bluero= ofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0
906-494-2434


On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Kennedy, Smith (= Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
Thanks Ira and Mike for your discussion!

In an attempt to bring this to a conclusion and get a stable draft created = for review, is your consensus that, for the Presets white paper, that Set-P= rinter-Attributes is the method of choice? If so, then is the section 4.2 i= n the latest draft (https://ftp= .pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ipp-preset-20170822.pdf) adequate or suitable? And that would also indicate that we ought to remove= section 4.3 that is a placeholder for defining Preset resources.

Or should the Presets white paper not define a way to push a Preset definit= ion back to the Printer? If so, then both 4.2 and 4.3 should get chopped an= d the use case / out of scope sections need to be updated.

Smith



> On Aug 27, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote= :
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Thanks - i agree with all your points.
>
> Shoehorning presets into Resources would always be a bit strange.
>
> Smith had (verbally) hoped to perhaps use Resources for finer-grained<= br> > access control (i.e., "this is a preset Resource for my user grou= p"), but
> even so, there's no getting around that End Users shouldn't be= doing
> the Printer configuration (by whatever operations), so pushing Client<= br> > side presets to Printers from End Users just doesn't work.
>
> I agree with your explicit precedence of attributes for Create-Printer= .
>
> Pete's original thought about Job Template resources was that they=
> formed a neat alternative to a lot of pre-configured Printers (color,<= br> > double-sided, etc.).=C2=A0 I'll give this a bit more thought.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto: b= lueroofmusic@gmail.com
> Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
> May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet@apple.com> wrote:
> Ira,
>
> > On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> w= rote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > For Create-Printer it's really nice to have a template-printe= r Resource
> > for each supported service type.
>
> Agreed, and for a sometimes-used admin operation with likely vendor ex= tension attributes, I think it is appropriate.
>
> I also think that we should define the semantics of template resources= in general, i.e., the order of precedence used in creation operations:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01. Attributes in request (highest)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02. Attributes in resource
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03. Default attributes (lowest)
>
> That makes it clear how a template resource is applied during a create= request.
>
> > I agree about the template-job (too heavyweight to configure).=C2= =A0 But
> > we already plan that the HTTP PUT of a font to a well-known URL > > will quietly create a corresponding Resource object for that font= .
> > Why not do that simple HTTP PUT for job templates?
>
> Well, while we do have HTTP PUT for creating and allocating Printer re= sources (as defined in IPP INFRA), that interface is also quite limited com= pared to using the Create-Resource operation since you cannot specify a &qu= ot;resource-name" different from the filename in the PUT.=C2=A0 So either the Printer has to pull the "resource-nam= e" value from the file's metadata, e.g., the typeface name, and/or= you use the "base name" from the URL, e.g., "http://printer.example.com/ipp/print/resources/F= oo%20Bold.otf" has a "resource-name" value of 'Foo Bold'.
>
> For IPP messages we'd be limited to using the base name approach, = which means UTF-8 with percent escapes in the URL (ugh).
>
> > Pete's retired from PWG work or he'd be speaking up for J= ob Templates
> > (they're part (in XML at present) of PWG Job Ticket spec).=C2= =A0 I think the
> > MIME type of a Job Template Resource should allow application/ipp=
> > or text/xml.
>
> *If* an implementation chose to support a PWG PJT (with whichever sche= ma) we need to use a specific MIME media type for it, not just "text/x= ml".=C2=A0 Also, I believe IETF currently wants us to use application-= scoped media types for this kind of thing, so that would probably mean registering "application/pwg-pjt+xml".
>
> There is also the issue of schema versions - do we make that part of t= he media type (a parameter) that can be included in "resource-formats-= supported" values?
>
> > Is even the simple HTTP PUT support too much for IPP native job > > templates (i.e., wire-encoded IPP attributes, not PAPI or XML)? >
> The issue is how hard will it be for the Client to support them?=C2=A0= Doing N requests (Get-User/Printer-Resources + a bunch of HTTP GET request= s) to get presets (which is all Job Template resources are) is inefficient = and complicated compared to looking at a single collection attribute that is returned by the (common) Get-Printer-A= ttributes request that Clients already do.
>
> I can also say we (Apple) are more likely to support the "job-pre= sets" and "job-triggers" attributes than we are to support J= ob Template resources - philosophically they are better aligned with how pr= esets and our internal trigger implementations work on macOS, and adding support for them will be easier (since we already have t= he interface for querying Printer attributes) than if we have to add additi= onal code to query and pull resources.=C2=A0 And because there are fewer re= quests, the time to show the Print UI will remain low.
>
> Many Printers also already support Set-Printer-Attributes, so I think = adding support for a couple attributes will be easier than adding all of th= e resource infrastructure.
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer
>
>




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Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:17 PM, wrote: > [Issue Unconfirmed] > > Page 26, footnote 12: "The [jobx] specification does not define any > Document Description attributes. See the [ippdoc] specification." > > There is no reference defined for either "[jobx]" or "[ippdoc]" references. > It may be that "[ippdoc]" is supposed to be "[pwg5100.5]". > > Link: http://www.pwg.org/issues/64 > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > --001a1135b5262f90f005589f5154 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith,

Given the = title of 5100.7, obviously "[jobx]" should have been "this s= pecification"
and I agree that "[ippdoc]" should ha= ve been "[PWG5100.5]" (IPP Document
Object).

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Softwa= re Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Li= nux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Gr= oup
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Desig= nated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inchttp://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc<= /a>
mailto:
blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI= =C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, = MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434


On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:17 PM, <smit= h.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
[I= ssue Unconfirmed]

Page 26, footnote 12: "The [jobx] specification does not define any Document Description attributes. See the [ippdoc] specification."

There is no reference defined for either "[jobx]" or "[ippdo= c]" references.
It may be that "[ippdoc]" is supposed to be "[pwg5100.5]&quo= t;.

Link: http://www.pwg.org/issues/64

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boundary="===============7529451875384157180==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============7529451875384157180== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5955744C-5C5F-4BD0-B231-75B20D9D2BEF"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_5955744C-5C5F-4BD0-B231-75B20D9D2BEF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, Perhaps since I wasn't involved in the creation of PWG 5100.7, I'm = having difficulty understanding the meaning of its section 5.2 "Job = Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the = Job". I don't quite understand how to even parse its title. Does this = mean that 5100.7 is prescribing that the Printer MUST use these Job = Description attributes' values as the values for the corresponding = Document Description attributes in the case where the Client hasn't = overtly specified values for the individual Document objects in a = Document creation operation? 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y194mr1073544qka.233.1504820916249; Thu, 07 Sep 2017 14:48:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.94.246 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 14:48:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ira McDonald Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:48:15 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)" , Ira McDonald Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job" X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2657694999388662813==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============2657694999388662813== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114a8f3429e9ed0558a06cd6" --001a114a8f3429e9ed0558a06cd6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Smith, You got it right. Remember first there were *only* Job attributes in IPP (no Document object) and much later there were Document attributes. And the word "default" got conscripted into service in admittedly a very different meaning (not pre-configured by an Admin but submitted by a Client). A clarifying paragraph that contrasts these two uses of "default" (i.e., apples and camels) would be a worthwhile errata to this spec. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: > Greetings, > > Perhaps since I wasn't involved in the creation of PWG 5100.7, I'm having > difficulty understanding the meaning of its section 5.2 "Job Description > attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job". I don't quite > understand how to even parse its title. Does this mean that 5100.7 is > prescribing that the Printer MUST use these Job Description attributes' > values as the values for the corresponding Document Description attributes > in the case where the Client hasn't overtly specified values for the > individual Document objects in a Document creation operation? The use of > "default" in this context seems different than the "xxx-default" convention > from RFC 8011 etc. > > Smith > > /** > Smith Kennedy > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum > / USB IF > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > */ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --001a114a8f3429e9ed0558a06cd6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith,
=
You got it right.

Remember first there were *only* J= ob attributes in IPP (no Document
object) and much later there wer= e Document attributes.=C2=A0 And the word
"default" got = conscripted into service in admittedly a very different
meaning (n= ot pre-configured by an Admin but submitted by a Client).
A clarif= ying paragraph that contrasts these two uses of "default"
(i.e., apples and camels) would be a worthwhile errata to this spec.
<= br>
Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / = Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chai= r - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Work= ing Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF= Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North = Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmu= sic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnor= thinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Salin= e, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Mar= ais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434


On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Kennedy, Smi= th (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
=
Greetings,

Perhaps since I wasn't involved in the creation of PWG 5100.7, I'm = having difficulty understanding the meaning of its section 5.2 "Job De= scription attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job"= . I don't quite understand how to even parse its title. Does this mean = that 5100.7 is prescribing that the Printer MUST use these Job Description = attributes' values as the values for the corresponding Document Descrip= tion attributes in the case where the Client hasn't overtly specified v= alues for the individual Document objects in a Document creation operation?= The use of "default" in this context seems different than the &q= uot;xxx-default" convention from RFC 8011 etc.

Smith

/**
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Smith Kennedy
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / = NFC Forum / USB IF
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 HP Inc.
*/




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X-OriginatorOrg: hp.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 Sep 2017 19:02:54.9826 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AT5PR84MB0020 Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job" X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6364465133960752653==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============6364465133960752653== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BEFE9B27-F44D-4494-A127-252B816204C1"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_BEFE9B27-F44D-4494-A127-252B816204C1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_530A6833-B773-41DC-87CC-09A3224EF7EE" --Apple-Mail=_530A6833-B773-41DC-87CC-09A3224EF7EE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 No worries Pete! Do you agree with Ira about my understanding? I'll file an erratum for this in the event that we (some day) handle PWG = specification errata. Smith > On Sep 8, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Zehler, Peter = wrote: >=20 > Smith, > Sorry about that. I guess we should have used =E2=80=9Cinherited=E2=80=9D= and =E2=80=9Coverridden=E2=80=9D in the job/document attribute = discussions. > Pete > =20 > Peter Zehler >=20 > Xerox Corp. > Global Development Group > 800 Phillips Rd, 111-04A > Webster NY, 14580-9701 > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Office: +1 (585) 265-8755 > Fax: +1 (585) 422-0238 > Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508 > =20 > From: ipp [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald > Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:48 PM > To: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) ; Ira = McDonald > Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector > Subject: Re: [IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job = Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job" > =20 > Hi Smith, >=20 > You got it right. >=20 > Remember first there were *only* Job attributes in IPP (no Document > object) and much later there were Document attributes. And the word > "default" got conscripted into service in admittedly a very different > meaning (not pre-configured by an Admin but submitted by a Client). > A clarifying paragraph that contrasts these two uses of "default" > (i.e., apples and camels) would be a worthwhile errata to this spec. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic = > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc = > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >=20 > =20 > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) = > wrote: > Greetings, >=20 > Perhaps since I wasn't involved in the creation of PWG 5100.7, I'm = having difficulty understanding the meaning of its section 5.2 "Job = Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the = Job". I don't quite understand how to even parse its title. Does this = mean that 5100.7 is prescribing that the Printer MUST use these Job = Description attributes' values as the values for the corresponding = Document Description attributes in the case where the Client hasn't = overtly specified values for the individual Document objects in a = Document creation operation? The use of "default" in this context seems = different than the "xxx-default" convention from RFC 8011 etc. >=20 > Smith >=20 > /** > Smith Kennedy > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC = Forum / USB IF > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > */ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp = --Apple-Mail=_530A6833-B773-41DC-87CC-09A3224EF7EE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 No worries Pete! Do you agree with Ira about my = understanding?

I'll = file an erratum for this in the event that we (some day) handle PWG = specification errata.

Smith



On Sep 8, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:

Smith,
Sorry about that.  I guess we should have used = =E2=80=9Cinherited=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Coverridden=E2=80=9D in the = job/document attribute discussions.
Pete
 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Corp.
Global Development Group
800 = Phillips Rd, 111-04A
Webster NY, = 14580-9701
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Office: +1 (585) = 265-8755
Fax: +1 (585) = 422-0238
Mobile: +1 (585) = 329-9508
 
From: ipp [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf = Of Ira McDonald
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 = 5:48 PM
To: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless = Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com>; Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
Cc: PWG = IPP WG Reflector <ipp@pwg.org>
Subject: Re: [IPP] Question = concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are = defaults for the Document(s) in the Job"
 

Hi = Smith,

You got it right.

Remember first there were *only* Job = attributes in IPP (no Document
object) and much later there were = Document attributes.  And the word
"default" = got conscripted into service in admittedly a very different
meaning = (not pre-configured by an Admin but submitted by a Client).
A = clarifying paragraph that contrasts these two uses of "default"

(i.e., = apples and camels) would be a worthwhile errata to this spec.

Cheers,

- = Ira


Ira McDonald = (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted = Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open = Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park = Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  = 906-494-2434

 
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at = 4:45 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:

Greetings,

Perhaps since I wasn't involved in the = creation of PWG 5100.7, I'm having difficulty understanding the meaning = of its section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the = Document(s) in the Job". I don't quite understand how to even parse its = title. Does this mean that 5100.7 is prescribing that the Printer MUST = use these Job Description attributes' values as the values for the = corresponding Document Description attributes in the case where the = Client hasn't overtly specified values for the individual Document = objects in a Document creation operation? The use of "default" in this = context seems different than the "xxx-default" convention from RFC 8011 = etc.

Smith

/**
    Smith Kennedy
    Wireless Architect - Client Software - = IPG-PPS
    Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / = Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB IF
  =   Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
  =   HP Inc.
*/




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<20606833-9EA6-40EF-8127-C2A2B9DC777E@hp.com> References: <20606833-9EA6-40EF-8127-C2A2B9DC777E@hp.com> From: Ira McDonald Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 16:13:29 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)" , Ira McDonald Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job" X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2844958888247596151==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============2844958888247596151== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114797b01a88210558b33776" --001a114797b01a88210558b33776 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Smith, As with IETF RFCs and W3C Recommendations, publicly visible errata have great value, even if the spec itself isn't updated for awhile. They can documentation of curated and WG approved solutions to ambiguities or missing text. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: > No worries Pete! Do you agree with Ira about my understanding? > > I'll file an erratum for this in the event that we (some day) handle PWG > specification errata. > > Smith > > > > On Sep 8, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote: > > Smith, > Sorry about that. I guess we should have used =E2=80=9Cinherited=E2=80= =9D and > =E2=80=9Coverridden=E2=80=9D in the job/document attribute discussions. > Pete > > > Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > Global Development Group > 800 Phillips Rd > , = 111-04A > Webster NY, 14580-9701 > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Office: +1 (585) 265-8755 > Fax: +1 (585) 422-0238 <%2B1%20%28585%29%20265-8755> > Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508 > > *From:* ipp [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org ] *On Behalf > Of *Ira McDonald > *Sent:* Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:48 PM > *To:* Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) ; Ira > McDonald > *Cc:* PWG IPP WG Reflector > *Subject:* Re: [IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job > Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job" > > > Hi Smith, > > You got it right. > Remember first there were *only* Job attributes in IPP (no Document > object) and much later there were Document attributes. And the word > "default" got conscripted into service in admittedly a very different > meaning (not pre-configured by an Admin but submitted by a Client). > A clarifying paragraph that contrasts these two uses of "default" > > (i.e., apples and camels) would be a worthwhile errata to this spec. > Cheers, > > - Ira > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Jan-April: 579 Park Place > > Saline, MI > > 48176 > > 734-944-0094 <(734)%20944-0094> > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > <(906)%20494-2434> > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < > smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: > > Greetings, > > Perhaps since I wasn't involved in the creation of PWG 5100.7, I'm having > difficulty understanding the meaning of its section 5.2 "Job Description > attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job". I don't qui= te > understand how to even parse its title. Does this mean that 5100.7 is > prescribing that the Printer MUST use these Job Description attributes' > values as the values for the corresponding Document Description attribute= s > in the case where the Client hasn't overtly specified values for the > individual Document objects in a Document creation operation? The use of > "default" in this context seems different than the "xxx-default" conventi= on > from RFC 8011 etc. > > Smith > > /** > Smith Kennedy > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Foru= m > / USB IF > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > */ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > --001a114797b01a88210558b33776 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith,

As with IETF RF= Cs and W3C Recommendations, publicly visible errata
have great val= ue, even if the spec itself isn't updated for awhile.=C2=A0 They can
documentation of curated and WG approved solutions to ambiguities or=
missing text.

Cheers,
- I= ra


<= div>
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Archite= ct)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Founda= tion Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-= Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expe= rt - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
ma= ilto: blueroof= music@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 481= 76=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839= =C2=A0 906-494-2434


On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Kennedy, Smi= th (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
=
No worri= es Pete! Do you agree with Ira about my understanding?

I= 'll file an erratum for this in the event that we (some day) handle PWG= specification errata.
<= br>
Smith



On Sep 8, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Zehler,= Peter <Pete= r.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:

Smith,
Sorry about that.=C2=A0 I g= uess we should have used =E2=80=9Cinherited=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Coverridde= n=E2=80=9D in the job/document attribute discussions.
Pete
=C2=A0

Pe= ter Zehler

Xerox Corp.
Global Development Group
800 Phillips Rd, 111-04A
Webster NY, 14580-9701
Email:=C2=A0Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
=
Office:=C2=A0= +1 (585) 265-8755
Fax:=C2=A0
+1 (585) 422-0238

Mobile:=C2=A0+1 (585)= 329-9508
=C2=A0
From:=C2=A0ipp [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]=C2=A0On Behalf Of=C2=A0Ira McDonald
= Sent:=C2=A0<= /span>Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:48 PM
To:=C2=A0Kennedy, Smith (Wireles= s Architect) <= smith.kennedy@hp.com>; Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
Cc:<= /b>=C2=A0= PWG IPP WG Reflector <i= pp@pwg.org>
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 sect= ion 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document= (s) in the Job"
=C2=A0

= Hi Smith,

You got it right.<= u>

Remember first there were *only* Job attri= butes in IPP (no Document
object) and mu= ch later there were Document attributes.=C2=A0 And the word
"default" got conscripted into service in adm= ittedly a very different
meaning (not pr= e-configured by an Admin but submitted by a Client).
A clarifying paragraph that contrasts these two uses of "= default"

(i.e., apple= s and camels) would be a worthwhile errata to this spec.

<= /div>
Cheers,

- I= ra


Ira McDonald (Musician= / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
C= hair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer W= orking Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
I= ETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High Nor= th Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
= mailto:=C2=A0blueroofmusic@gmail.com
= Jan-April: 579 Park Pl= ace=C2=A0 Saline, = MI=C2=A0 48176= =C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 49839= =C2=A0 906-494-2434

=C2=A0
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:45 P= M, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <= smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
Greetings,

Perhaps since I wasn't invo= lved in the creation of PWG 5100.7, I'm having difficulty understanding= the meaning of its section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are d= efaults for the Document(s) in the Job". I don't quite understand = how to even parse its title. Does this mean that 5100.7 is prescribing that= the Printer MUST use these Job Description attributes' values as the v= alues for the corresponding Document Description attributes in the case whe= re the Client hasn't overtly specified values for the individual Docume= nt objects in a Document creation operation? The use of "default"= in this context seems different than the "xxx-default" conventio= n from RFC 8011 etc.

Smith

/**
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Smith Kennedy=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC For= um / USB IF
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 HP Inc.
*/




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Cheers, - Ira ------------------------------- Change History: 10 September 2017 - Prototype draft =E2=80=93 changes per PWG F2F review on 9 August 2017 - global =E2=80=93 accepted all changes from previous draft - global =E2=80=93 replaced all [PWG.SYS] entries with =E2=80=9C=E2= =80=9D in section section 5 IPP Objects and Operations Summary - global =E2=80=93 changed =E2=80=9CSet- Resource-Attributes=E2=80=9D to = =E2=80=9CSet-Resource-Attributes (removed space) - revised section 5.2 System Description Attributes to add =E2=80=9CNote: = An SM/IPP Equivalent entry of =E2=80=9C=E2=80=9D indicates that there is= no previously defined equivalent attribute and the attribute is defined for the first time in this specification.=E2=80=9D - revised section 5.2 System Description Attributes Table 1 to change =E2= =80=9CSM Element Name=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSM/IPP Equivalent=E2=80=9D, change =E2=80=9Cresource-settable-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D mapping to =E2=80=9Cjob-settable-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D, change =E2=80=9Csystem= -default-printer-id=E2=80=9D mapping to , and correct note 7 - revised section 5.3 System Status Attributes Table 2 to change =E2=80=9CS= M Element Name=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSM/IPP Equivalent=E2=80=9D and change =E2= =80=9Csystem-strings-uri=E2=80=9D mapping to =E2=80=9Cprinter-strings-uri=E2=80=9D - revised section 5.4 System Operations Table 3 to change =E2=80=9CSM Opera= tion Name=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSM/IPP Equivalent=E2=80=9D, add operation IDs fro= m IANA section and other specs, add Get-Printer-Resources (analogous to Get-Resources), change note 6 to state that Register-Output-Device is CONDITIONALLY REQUIRED for systems that implement IPP Shared Infrastructure Extensions [PWG5100.18], change note 8 to reference the IPP Event Notifications and Subscriptions [RFC3995] operation extensions for the System Service, and add note 10 for Get-Printer-Resources - revised section 5.6 Resource Description Attributes Table 4 to change =E2= =80=9CSM Element Name=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSM/IPP Equivalent=E2=80=9D (for consisten= cy) - revised section 5.7 Resource Status Attributes Table 5 to change =E2=80= =9CSM Element Name=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSM/IPP Equivalent=E2=80=9D, correct =E2= =80=9Cdate-time-at-xxx=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ctime-at-xxx=E2=80=9D attributes to Job in [RFC8011], and add more = details to most notes - revised section 5.8 Printer Description Attributes Table 6, section 5.9 Printer Status Attributes Table 7, and section 5.10 Job Status Attributes to change =E2=80=9CSM Element Name=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSM/IPP Equivalent= =E2=80=9D and add appropriate entries - revised section 6 IPP Operations to rewrite summary of Client authentication and authorization requirements and explain exception for Get-Printer-Attributes (for legacy compatibility) - revised section 6.1 Printer Operations, section 6.2 Resource Operations, section 6.3 Subscription Operations, and section 6.4 System Operations to add summary of scope of operations and note about propagation of =E2=80=9Cprinter-message-from-operator=E2=80=9D operation attributes to tar= get Printers in section 6.1 and =E2=80=9Csystem-message-from-operator=E2=80=9D operation at= tributes to =E2=80=9Cprinter-message-from-operator=E2=80=9D on affected Printers and in= section 6.4 - added section 6.1.7 Get-Printer-Resources for an authorized End User (analogous to Get-Resources for an authorized Operator or Administrator) - revised all tables in section 13. IANA and PWG Considerations to use Example style for single-spaced alignment - moved former section 6.1.6 Get-Printer-Attributes (misplaced) to section 8.2 Get-Printer-Attributes and explained choice of =E2=80=9Csystem-uri=E2= =80=9D (implicit default Printer) or =E2=80=9Cprinter-uri=E2=80=9D (explicit target Printer) - revised section 6.3.1 Create-Resource-Subscriptions to create =E2=80=9Con= e or more System Subcription objects on Resources=E2=80=9D - revised section 6.3.2 Create-System-Subscriptions to create =E2=80=9Cone = or more System Subcription objects=E2=80=9D - revised section 6.4 System Operations to change =E2=80=9Cprinter-message-from-operator=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Csystem-message-= from-operator=E2=80=9D throughout for consistency - revised section 6.4.3.1 Get-System-Attributes Request to change =E2=80=9C= System MUST all=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSystem MUST return all=E2=80=9D - revised section 6.4.4.1 Get-System-Supported-Values to change =E2=80=9CSy= stem MUST all=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSystem MUST return all=E2=80=9D and change = =E2=80=9Cxxx-supported-attributes=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cxxx-supported=E2=80=9D attributes (no trailing quote mark) - revised section 6.4.5 Pause-All-Printers and section 6.4.6 Pause-All-Printers-After-Current-Job to change =E2=80=9Cremoved from =E2=80=9Cprinter-state-reasons=E2=80=9D=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cremoved from t= heir =E2=80=9Cprinter-state-reasons=E2=80=9D (change to Printer objects rather than System object - revised section 6.4.7 Register-Output-Device paragraph on =E2=80=9CAccess= Rights=E2=80=9D to change =E2=80=9CProxy of the Printer=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CProxy of the S= ystem=E2=80=9D and change =E2=80=9CInfrastructure Printer=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSystem=E2=80=9D and co= rrect operation attribute to =E2=80=9Coutput-device-id=E2=80=9D (uri(45)) - revised section 6.4.8 Restart-System to add comment about possible addition of a state change diagram (System and Printers) - revised section 6.4.8 Restart-System to note potential use for cleanup of non-responsive or corrupt Printers and also for =E2=80=9Csoftware rejuvenat= ion=E2=80=9D (proactive restart to mitigate performance degradation and other associated failures related to =E2=80=9Csoftware aging=E2=80=9D) based on AT&T researc= h in the 1990s - revised section 6.4.8.2 Restart-System Response for =E2=80=9Crestart-get-interval=E2=80=9D to change =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D t= o =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D (conformance recommendation) - revised section 7.1.15 resource-type to change =E2=80=9CCreate-Resources= =E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CCreate-Resource=E2=80=9D - revised section 7.1.17 restart-get-interval to change =E2=80=9Cspecifies = and interval=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cspecifies an interval=E2=80=9D - revised section 7.2.4 ipp-features-supported to add =E2=80=9Csemantically analogous=E2=80=9D clause - revised section 7.2.5 ipp-versions-supported to change =E2=80=9CREQUIRED attribute=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CREQUIRED System attribute=E2=80=9D - revised section 7.7.8 resource-state to change =E2=80=9Ctransitions are s= how=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Ctransitions are shown=E2=80=9D - revised sections 13 IANA and PWG Considerations to use Example style for registration templates (single-spaced) - revised section 13.4 Type2 enum Attribute Value Registrations to add new Get-Printer-Resources and assign new operation ID of =E2=80=9C0x0065=E2=80= =9D - revised section 14.1 Normative References to update for FIN and IPP 3D final versions - revised section 16.2.1 Restrict =E2=80=9Cprinter-id=E2=80=9D to simplify = title --001a11480a3cfe78000558dd7604 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I hav= e just posted the second PROTOTYPE draft of IPP System
Service for review during IPP WG calls<= /span>:

=C2=A0 http://ftp.pwg.org/= pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170910-rev.pdf
=C2=A0 - PDF with line numbers and redlines
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170910-rev.d= ocx
=C2=A0 - MS Word source with line numbers and redlines

Summary:=C2=A0 All= operations and attributes have now been defined.

Cheers,
- Ira

-------------------------------
Change History:
10 September 2017

- Prototype draft =E2=80=93 cha= nges per PWG F2F review on 9 August 2017
- global =E2=80=93 accepted all= changes from previous draft
- global =E2=80=93 replaced all [PWG.SYS] e= ntries with =E2=80=9C<none>=E2=80=9D in section section 5 IPP Objects= and Operations Summary
- global =E2=80=93 changed =E2=80=9CSet- Resourc= e-Attributes=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSet-Resource-Attributes (removed space)- revised section 5.2 System Description Attributes to add =E2=80=9CNote:= =C2=A0 An SM/IPP Equivalent entry of =E2=80=9C<none>=E2=80=9D indicat= es that there is no previously defined equivalent attribute and the attribu= te is defined for the first time in this specification.=E2=80=9D
- revis= ed section 5.2 System Description Attributes Table 1 to change =E2=80=9CSM = Element Name=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSM/IPP Equivalent=E2=80=9D, change =E2=80= =9Cresource-settable-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D mapping to =E2=80=9Cjob-= settable-attributes-supported=E2=80=9D, change =E2=80=9Csystem-default-prin= ter-id=E2=80=9D mapping to <none>, and correct note 7
- revised se= ction 5.3 System Status Attributes Table 2 to change =E2=80=9CSM Element Na= me=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSM/IPP Equivalent=E2=80=9D and change =E2=80=9Csyst= em-strings-uri=E2=80=9D mapping to =E2=80=9Cprinter-strings-uri=E2=80=9D- revised section 5.4 System Operations Table 3 to change =E2=80=9CSM Oper= ation Name=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSM/IPP Equivalent=E2=80=9D, add operation I= Ds from IANA section and other specs, add Get-Printer-Resources (analogous = to Get-Resources), change note 6 to state that Register-Output-Device is CO= NDITIONALLY REQUIRED for systems that implement IPP Shared Infrastructure E= xtensions [PWG5100.18], change note 8 to reference the IPP Event Notificati= ons and Subscriptions [RFC3995] operation extensions for the System Service= , and add note 10 for Get-Printer-Resources
- revised section 5.6 Resour= ce Description Attributes Table 4 to change =E2=80=9CSM Element Name=E2=80= =9D to =E2=80=9CSM/IPP Equivalent=E2=80=9D (for consistency)
- revised s= ection 5.7 Resource Status Attributes Table 5 to change =E2=80=9CSM Element= Name=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSM/IPP Equivalent=E2=80=9D, correct =E2=80=9Cdat= e-time-at-xxx=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ctime-at-xxx=E2=80=9D attributes to Job = in [RFC8011], and add more details to most notes
- revised section 5.8 P= rinter Description Attributes Table 6, section 5.9 Printer Status Attribute= s Table 7, and section 5.10 Job Status Attributes to change =E2=80=9CSM Ele= ment Name=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSM/IPP Equivalent=E2=80=9D and add appropria= te <none> entries
- revised section 6 IPP Operations to rewrite su= mmary of Client authentication and authorization requirements and explain e= xception for Get-Printer-Attributes (for legacy compatibility)
- revised= section 6.1 Printer Operations, section 6.2 Resource Operations, section 6= .3 Subscription Operations, and section 6.4 System Operations to add summar= y of scope of operations and note about propagation of =E2=80=9Cprinter-mes= sage-from-operator=E2=80=9D operation attributes to target Printers in sect= ion 6.1 and =E2=80=9Csystem-message-from-operator=E2=80=9D operation attrib= utes to =E2=80=9Cprinter-message-from-operator=E2=80=9D on affected Printer= s and in section 6.4
- added section 6.1.7 Get-Printer-Resources for an = authorized End User (analogous to Get-Resources for an authorized Operator = or Administrator)
- revised all tables in section 13. IANA and PWG Consi= derations to use Example style for single-spaced alignment
- moved forme= r section 6.1.6 Get-Printer-Attributes (misplaced) to section 8.2 Get-Print= er-Attributes and explained choice of =E2=80=9Csystem-uri=E2=80=9D (implici= t default Printer) or =E2=80=9Cprinter-uri=E2=80=9D (explicit target Printe= r)
- revised section 6.3.1 Create-Resource-Subscriptions to create =E2= =80=9Cone or more System Subcription objects on Resources=E2=80=9D
- rev= ised section 6.3.2 Create-System-Subscriptions to create =E2=80=9Cone or mo= re System Subcription objects=E2=80=9D
- revised section 6.4 System Oper= ations to change =E2=80=9Cprinter-message-from-operator=E2=80=9D to =E2=80= =9Csystem-message-from-operator=E2=80=9D throughout for consistency
- re= vised section 6.4.3.1 Get-System-Attributes Request to change =E2=80=9CSyst= em MUST all=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSystem MUST return all=E2=80=9D
- revis= ed section 6.4.4.1 Get-System-Supported-Values to change =E2=80=9CSystem MU= ST all=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSystem MUST return all=E2=80=9D and change =E2= =80=9Cxxx-supported-attributes=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cxxx-supported=E2=80=9D = attributes (no trailing quote mark)
- revised section 6.4.5 Pause-All-Pr= inters and section 6.4.6 Pause-All-Printers-After-Current-Job to change =E2= =80=9Cremoved from =E2=80=9Cprinter-state-reasons=E2=80=9D=E2=80=9D to =E2= =80=9Cremoved from their =E2=80=9Cprinter-state-reasons=E2=80=9D (change to= Printer objects rather than System object
- revised section 6.4.7 Regis= ter-Output-Device paragraph on =E2=80=9CAccess Rights=E2=80=9D to change = =E2=80=9CProxy of the Printer=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CProxy of the System=E2= =80=9D and change =E2=80=9CInfrastructure Printer=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSyst= em=E2=80=9D and correct operation attribute to =E2=80=9Coutput-device-id=E2= =80=9D (uri(45))
- revised section 6.4.8 Restart-System to add comment a= bout possible addition of a state change diagram (System and Printers)
-= revised section 6.4.8 Restart-System to note potential use for cleanup of = non-responsive or corrupt Printers and also for =E2=80=9Csoftware rejuvenat= ion=E2=80=9D (proactive restart to mitigate performance degradation and oth= er associated failures related to =E2=80=9Csoftware aging=E2=80=9D) based o= n AT&T research in the 1990s
- revised section 6.4.8.2 Restart-Syste= m Response for =E2=80=9Crestart-get-interval=E2=80=9D to change =E2=80=9Csh= ould=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D (conformance recommendation)
-= revised section 7.1.15 resource-type to change =E2=80=9CCreate-Resources= =E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CCreate-Resource=E2=80=9D
- revised section 7.1.17 = restart-get-interval to change =E2=80=9Cspecifies and interval=E2=80=9D to = =E2=80=9Cspecifies an interval=E2=80=9D
- revised section 7.2.4 ipp-feat= ures-supported to add =E2=80=9Csemantically analogous=E2=80=9D clause
- = revised section 7.2.5 ipp-versions-supported to change =E2=80=9CREQUIRED at= tribute=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CREQUIRED System attribute=E2=80=9D
- revise= d section 7.7.8 resource-state to change =E2=80=9Ctransitions are show=E2= =80=9D to =E2=80=9Ctransitions are shown=E2=80=9D
- revised sections 13 = IANA and PWG Considerations to use Example style for registration templates= (single-spaced)
- revised section 13.4 Type2 enum Attribute Value Regis= trations to add new Get-Printer-Resources and assign new operation ID of = =E2=80=9C0x0065=E2=80=9D
- revised section 14.1 Normative References to = update for FIN and IPP 3D final versions
- revised section 16.2.1 Restri= ct =E2=80=9Cprinter-id=E2=80=9D to simplify title

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ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Sep 12 09:41:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8277A132D8F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 09:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FqSGnt6EzZZc for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 09:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pwg.org (www.pwg.org [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe70:b03f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6235132403 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 09:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 3F411B904; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.pwg.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by www.pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17ED4406; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:41:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: by www.pwg.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id D3AB44406; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:41:05 +0000 (UTC) To: ipp@pwg.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1000:db-issue.php From: smith.kennedy@hp.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [IPP] [PWG5100.7] Issue #65: Section 5.2 needs additions to clarify meaning of "defaults" in this context X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: webmaster@pwg.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" [Issue Unconfirmed] 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job" is prescribing that the Printer MUST use these Job Description attributes' values as the values for the corresponding Document Description attributes in the case where the Client hasn't overtly specified values for the individual Document objects in a Document creation operation. This is not clearly obvious to a reader who wasn't involved in this document's creation. The use of "default" in this context seems different than the "xxx-default" convention from RFC 8011 etc. Add a clarifying paragraph as per Ira McDonald's recommendation that contrasts these two uses of "default"(i.e., apples and camels) so that uninitiated readers in the future may more easily be able to meet 5100.7's expectation if they are implementing an IPP Printer. 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DF4PR84MB0106 Subject: [IPP] Updated IPP Presets draft now available X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8266818946770983848==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============8266818946770983848== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2CA920B6-D258-4112-8B1F-5A59732FC9F6"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_2CA920B6-D258-4112-8B1F-5A59732FC9F6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Greetings, I have just posted an updated IPP Presets draft to the PWG FTP site: = 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(protection.outlook.com: hp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hp.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 12 Sep 2017 21:38:00.0029 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DF4PR84MB0202 Subject: [IPP] Updated IPP Presets draft now available --> ** NEW URLs ** X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0597331261788951767==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============0597331261788951767== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_921D397C-EF95-4A3E-AB14-A1C31A3B036B"; 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next IPP WG call will be Thursday 14 September 2017 at 12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Eastern NOTE: Please USE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below ------------------------------------------------------- Meeting information ------------------------------------------------------- Topic: IPP WG Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday, May 11, 2017, to no end date 3:00 pm | Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) | 1 hr 30 mins ------------------------------------------------------- WebEx online meeting (join first, before audio bridge) ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=m0359478143 ca01e059a570ada91f3573 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123 4. Click "Join". ------------------------------------------------------- Audio Bridge (join second w/ unique access code from WebEx) ------------------------------------------------------- Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239 <%28866%29%20469-3239> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300 <%28650%29%20429-3300> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570 <%28408%29%20856-9570> Global toll-free call in numbers and other audio options ("Call Me Back" or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting. Unique attendee access code: Displayed in the WebEx meeting Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review - Mike as minute taker? (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20170817.pdf -- IPP WG call on 08/17/17 (3) Status of Errata - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019302.html -- ippserver: line number error - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019303.htm -- ipptool: host name shouldn't be case sensitive - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019324.html -- PWG 5100.7: [jobx] and [ippdoc] references - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019333.html -- PWG 5100.7: overloaded use of "defaults" (4) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170803.htm -- see PWG SC minutes from 08/03/17 (5) Status of PWG 3D Print Job Ticket (Mike) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/informational/bp-smpjt3d10-20170818.pdf -- PWG Best Practices (18 August 2017) (6) Status of Mapping of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT (JDFMAP) (Ira, Rick) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/informational/bp-smjdfmap10-20170828.pdf -- PWG Best Practices (28 August 2017) (7) Status of Get-User-Printer-Attributes (Smith) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-userop-20170801-rev.pdf -- IPP WG adopted for registration track -- Schedule - TBD (8) Status of IPP Presets whitepaper (Smith) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/tb-ipp-preset-20170912-rev.pdf -- IPP WG adopted for registration track -- Schedule - TBD (9) Status of IPP HTTP Authentication whitepaper (Smith) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ippauth-20170803.pdf -- PWG F2F review on 08/10/17 -- Schedule - TBD (10) Status of "job-password" and "job-save-disposition" (Smith) - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html -- discussed at IPP WG on 06/29/17 and mailing list through 08/17/17 -- Schedule - awaiting further input from Smith, Mike, Ira (11) Review of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170910-rev.pdf -- Prototype draft - PWG F2F review on 08/09/17 - completed -- Schedule - prototype in "ippserver" - Stable draft in Q4 2017 (12) Next steps - IPP WG call on Thu 28 September 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern -- regular topics - IPP WG call on Thu 12 October 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern -- regular topics Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 --94eb2c03cee27398d705591b092e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Our next IPP WG call will be Thu= rsday 14 September 2017 at
12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Ea= stern

NOTE: Please U= SE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below

-------= ------------------------------------------------
Meeting informatio= n
-------------------------------------------------------
Topic:= IPP WG
Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday, May 11, 2017, t= o no end date
3:00 pm=C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0=C2=A0Eastern Standard Time (New= York, GMT-05:00)=C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0=C2=A01 hr 30 mins

-----------------------------------------------= --------
WebEx online meeting (join first, before audio bridge)
-------------------------= ------------------------------
1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=3Dm03594= 78143ca01e059a570ada91f3573
2. If requested, enter your name an= d email address.
3. If a password is required, enter the meeting passwor= d: Printing123
4. Click "Join".

-----------------------= --------------------------------
Audio Bridge (join second w/ unique access code from W= ebEx)
------------------------------------------------------= -
Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300
Call-in toll nu= mber (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570

Global toll-free call in numbers and other audio optio= ns ("Call Me Back" or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx me= eting.

Unique attendee access code:=C2=A0 Displayed in the WebEx mee= ting


Agenda:
(1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll C= all, and Agenda Review
- Mike as minute taker?
=
(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20= 170817.pdf
-- IPP WG call on 08/17/17

(= 3) Status of Errata
-- ippserver: line number error
-- ipptool: host name shouldn't be cas= e sensitive
--= PWG 5100.7: [jobx] and [ippdoc] references
-- PWG 5100.7: overloaded use of "defaul= ts"

(4) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w= / PWG (Paul)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170803.htm
-- see PWG SC minu= tes from 08/03/17

(5) Status of PWG 3D Print Job Ticket (Mike)
- = http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/informa= tional/bp-smpjt3d10-20170818.pdf
-- PWG Best Practices (18 August 2= 017)

(6) Status of Mapping of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT (JDFMAP= ) (Ira, Rick)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/inform= ational/bp-smjdfmap10-20170828.pdf
-- PWG Best Practices (28 A= ugust 2017)

(7) Status of Get-User-Printer-Attributes (Smith)
- <= a href=3D"http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-userop-20170801-rev.= pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-us= erop-20170801-rev.pdf
-- IPP WG adopted for registra= tion track
-- Schedule - TBD

(8) Status of IPP Presets whi= tepaper (Smith)
- https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/w= d/tb-ipp-preset-20170912-rev.pdf
-- IPP WG adopted f= or registration track
-- Schedule - TBD

(9) Status of IPP HTTP Authentication whitepaper (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ippauth-<= wbr>20170803.pdf
-- PWG F2F review on 08/10/17
<= /div>-- Schedule - TBD

(10) Status of "job-password" = and "job-save-disposition" (Smith)
- http://www.pwg.org/ar= chives/ipp/2017/019238.html
-- discussed at IPP WG on 06/= 29/17 and mailing list through 08/17/17
-- Schedule - awaiting fur= ther input from Smith, Mike, Ira

(11) Review o= f IPP System Service (Ira/Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.or= g/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170910-rev.pdf
-- Prototype draft = - PWG F2F review on 08/09/17 - completed
-- Schedule - prototype in &quo= t;ippserver" - Stable draft in Q4 2017

(12) Next steps
= - IPP WG call on Thu 28 September 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern
-= - regular topics

- IPP WG call on Thu 12 Octo= ber 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern
-- regular topics
Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software = Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux= Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group=
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designat= ed Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusichttp://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc=
mailto: bl= ueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2= =A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI = 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434

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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:DF4PR84MB0251; H:DF4PR84MB0284.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: hp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hp.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Sep 2017 15:27:30.9001 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DF4PR84MB0251 Cc: "ipp@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP WG Agenda 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern (14 September 2017) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5602313058648968532==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============5602313058648968532== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DBBC1219-E6E6-411C-8593-17188B26B86A"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_DBBC1219-E6E6-411C-8593-17188B26B86A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_19F33076-76EE-4FF6-BDCC-37392CA2BCAF" --Apple-Mail=_19F33076-76EE-4FF6-BDCC-37392CA2BCAF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Ira, As you know, I won't make the call today. But I'd like to make sure that = Github pull requests are also added to the agenda in the future. If I = recall correctly, we needed to review these in the IPP WG meetings for = WG approval. I'd like to finalize IPP Everywhere Self Certification 1.0 = Update 2 soon and we need to approve some fixes before that can be made, = IMHO. Releasing a "beta" build would be helpful as well. Smith /** Smith Kennedy Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC = Forum / USB IF Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group HP Inc. */ > On Sep 13, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Ira McDonald = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Our next IPP WG call will be Thursday 14 September 2017 at > 12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Eastern >=20 > NOTE: Please USE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > Meeting information > ------------------------------------------------------- > Topic: IPP WG > Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday, May 11, 2017, to no end date > 3:00 pm | Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) | 1 hr 30 = mins >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > WebEx online meeting (join first, before audio bridge) > ------------------------------------------------------- > 1. Go to = https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=3Dm0359478143ca01e059a570= ada91f3573 = > 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. > 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123 > 4. Click "Join". >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > Audio Bridge (join second w/ unique access code from WebEx) > ------------------------------------------------------- > Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239 = > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300 = > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570 = >=20 > Global toll-free call in numbers and other audio options ("Call Me = Back" or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting. >=20 > Unique attendee access code: Displayed in the WebEx meeting >=20 > Agenda: > (1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review > - Mike as minute taker? >=20 > (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings > - = http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20170817.pdf = > -- IPP WG call on 08/17/17 >=20 > (3) Status of Errata > - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019302.html = =20 > -- ippserver: line number error > - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019303.htm = > -- ipptool: host name shouldn't be case sensitive > - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019324.html = > -- PWG 5100.7: [jobx] and [ippdoc] references > - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019333.html = > -- PWG 5100.7: overloaded use of "defaults" >=20 > (4) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul) > - = http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170803.htm = > -- see PWG SC minutes from 08/03/17 >=20 > (5) Status of PWG 3D Print Job Ticket (Mike) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/informational/bp-smpjt3d10-20170818.pdf = > -- PWG Best Practices (18 August 2017) >=20 > (6) Status of Mapping of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT (JDFMAP) (Ira, Rick) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/informational/bp-smjdfmap10-20170828.pdf = > -- PWG Best Practices (28 August 2017) >=20 > (7) Status of Get-User-Printer-Attributes (Smith) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-userop-20170801-rev.pdf = > -- IPP WG adopted for registration track > -- Schedule - TBD >=20 > (8) Status of IPP Presets whitepaper (Smith) > - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/tb-ipp-preset-20170912-rev.pdf = > -- IPP WG adopted for registration track > -- Schedule - TBD >=20 > (9) Status of IPP HTTP Authentication whitepaper (Smith) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ippauth-20170803.pdf = > -- PWG F2F review on 08/10/17=20 > -- Schedule - TBD >=20 > (10) Status of "job-password" and "job-save-disposition" (Smith) > - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html = > -- discussed at IPP WG on 06/29/17 and mailing list through 08/17/17 > -- Schedule - awaiting further input from Smith, Mike, Ira >=20 > (11) Review of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170910-rev.pdf = > -- Prototype draft - PWG F2F review on 08/09/17 - completed > -- Schedule - prototype in "ippserver" - Stable draft in Q4 2017 >=20 > (12) Next steps > - IPP WG call on Thu 28 September 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern > -- regular topics >=20 > - IPP WG call on Thu 12 October 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern > -- regular topics >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic = > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc = > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --Apple-Mail=_19F33076-76EE-4FF6-BDCC-37392CA2BCAF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi Ira,

As = you know, I won't make the call today. But I'd like to make sure that = Github pull requests are also added to the agenda in the future. If I = recall correctly, we needed to review these in the IPP WG meetings for = WG approval. I'd like to finalize IPP Everywhere Self Certification 1.0 = Update 2 soon and we need to approve some fixes before that can be made, = IMHO. Releasing a "beta" build would be helpful as well.

Smith

/**
    Smith = Kennedy
    Wireless Architect - Client Software = - IPG-PPS
    Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / = Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB IF
    Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
    HP Inc.
*/



On Sep 13, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Our next IPP = WG call will be Thursday 14 September 2017 at
12:00-1:30pm = US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Eastern

NOTE: Please USE = the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below

-------------------------------------------------------
Meeting = information
-------------------------------------------------------
Topic: IPP WG
Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday, = May 11, 2017, to no end date
3:00 = pm  |  Eastern Standard Time (New York, = GMT-05:00)  |  1 hr 30 mins

-------------------------------------------------------
WebEx online meeting = (join first, = before audio bridge)
-------------------------------------------------------
1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=3Dm0359478143ca01e059a570ada91f3573
2. If requested, = enter your name and email address.
3. If a password is = required, enter the meeting password: Printing123
4. Click = "Join".

-------------------------------------------------------
Audio Bridge = (join second = w/ unique access code from WebEx)
-------------------------------------------------------
Call-in = toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 = 469-3239
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300
Call-in toll number = (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570

Global toll-free call in numbers and other audio options = ("Call Me Back" or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting.

Unique attendee access code:  Displayed = in the WebEx meeting


Agenda:
(1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda = Review
- Mike as minute taker?

(2) Approve IPP minutes = from previous meetings
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20= 170817.pdf
-- IPP WG call on 08/17/17

(3) = Status of Errata
-- ippserver: line number = error
-- ipptool: host name shouldn't be case = sensitive
-- PWG 5100.7: [jobx] and [ippdoc] references
-- PWG 5100.7: overloaded use of "defaults"

(4) = Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170803.htm
-- see PWG SC minutes = from 08/03/17

(5) Status of PWG 3D Print = Job Ticket (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/informational/bp-smpjt3d10-20170818.= pdf
-- PWG Best Practices (18 August 2017)

(6) Status of Mapping of = CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT (JDFMAP) (Ira, Rick)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/informational/bp-smjdfmap10-20170828= .pdf
-- PWG Best Practices (28 August 2017)

(7) Status of Get-User-Printer-Attributes = (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-userop-20170801-rev.pdf
-- IPP WG adopted for registration = track
-- Schedule - TBD

(8) Status of IPP Presets whitepaper (Smith)
- = https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/tb-ipp-preset-20170912-rev.p= df
-- IPP WG = adopted for registration track
-- Schedule - TBD

(9) Status of IPP HTTP Authentication = whitepaper (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ippauth-20170803.pdf
-- PWG F2F review on = 08/10/17
-- Schedule - TBD

(10) Status of "job-password" and = "job-save-disposition" (Smith)
- http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html
-- discussed at = IPP WG on 06/29/17 and mailing list through 08/17/17
-- Schedule - awaiting further input from Smith, Mike, = Ira

(11) Review of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike)
- = http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170910-rev.p= df
-- Prototype draft - PWG F2F review on 08/09/17 - = completed
-- Schedule - prototype in "ippserver" - Stable = draft in Q4 2017

(12) Next steps
- IPP WG call on Thu 28 September 2017 at = 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern
-- regular topics

- IPP WG = call on Thu 12 October 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern
-- regular topics

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  = 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI = 49839  906-494-2434

_______________________________________________
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ipp@pwg.org
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<03A7C271-510A-4279-A04E-387D1FABEE24@hp.com> References: <03A7C271-510A-4279-A04E-387D1FABEE24@hp.com> From: Ira McDonald Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 16:13:50 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)" , Ira McDonald Cc: "ipp@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] IPP WG Agenda 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern (14 September 2017) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4735271673208413519==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============4735271673208413519== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c06adc062f45305592bebf9" --94eb2c06adc062f45305592bebf9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Smith, Look at Mike's minutes. We did review all the Github pull requests and all the other errata reports. Then we talked at length about Saved Jobs and the need for something "better" (more flexible) than mere "job-password" to protect those Saved Jobs from resubmission by unauthorized parties. We also talked about the wider topic of "defense-in-depth", e.g., TLS does good protection (w/ encryption) of data-in-transit and OPAL SEDs do quite good protection (by automatic encryption) of data-at-rest. Nonetheless, security best practice would be to use another layer of encryption on the wire and another layer of encryption at rest. Needs LOTS more thought. Without your good coments, we decided not to spend 25 minutes on the review of a bit of IPP System Service. Mike hopes in two weeks to have some implementation insights and comments. Cheers, - Ira Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: > Hi Ira, > > As you know, I won't make the call today. But I'd like to make sure that > Github pull requests are also added to the agenda in the future. If I > recall correctly, we needed to review these in the IPP WG meetings for WG > approval. I'd like to finalize IPP Everywhere Self Certification 1.0 Update > 2 soon and we need to approve some fixes before that can be made, IMHO. > Releasing a "beta" build would be helpful as well. > > Smith > > /** > Smith Kennedy > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum > / USB IF > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > */ > > > > On Sep 13, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi, > > Our next IPP WG call will be Thursday 14 September 2017 at > 12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Eastern > > NOTE: Please USE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Meeting information > ------------------------------------------------------- > Topic: IPP WG > Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday, May 11, 2017, to no end date > 3:00 pm | Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) | 1 hr 30 mins > > ------------------------------------------------------- > WebEx online meeting (join first, before audio bridge) > ------------------------------------------------------- > 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=m0359478143 > ca01e059a570ada91f3573 > 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. > 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123 > 4. Click "Join". > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Audio Bridge (join second w/ unique access code from WebEx) > ------------------------------------------------------- > Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239 > <%28866%29%20469-3239> > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300 <%28650%29%20429-3300> > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570 <%28408%29%20856-9570> > > Global toll-free call in numbers and other audio options ("Call Me Back" > or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting. > > Unique attendee access code: Displayed in the WebEx meeting > > Agenda: > (1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review > - Mike as minute taker? > > (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall- > minutes-20170817.pdf > -- IPP WG call on 08/17/17 > > (3) Status of Errata > - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019302.html > -- ippserver: line number error > - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019303.htm > > -- ipptool: host name shouldn't be case sensitive > - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019324.html > -- PWG 5100.7: [jobx] and [ippdoc] references > - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019333.html > -- PWG 5100.7: overloaded use of "defaults" > > (4) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170803.htm > -- see PWG SC minutes from 08/03/17 > > (5) Status of PWG 3D Print Job Ticket (Mike) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/informational/bp-smpjt3d10-20170818.pdf > -- PWG Best Practices (18 August 2017) > > (6) Status of Mapping of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT (JDFMAP) (Ira, Rick) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/informational/bp-smjdfmap10-20170828.pdf > -- PWG Best Practices (28 August 2017) > > (7) Status of Get-User-Printer-Attributes (Smith) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-userop-20170801-rev.pdf > -- IPP WG adopted for registration track > -- Schedule - TBD > > (8) Status of IPP Presets whitepaper (Smith) > - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/tb-ipp-preset-20170912-rev.pdf > -- IPP WG adopted for registration track > -- Schedule - TBD > > (9) Status of IPP HTTP Authentication whitepaper (Smith) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ippauth-20170803.pdf > -- PWG F2F review on 08/10/17 > -- Schedule - TBD > > (10) Status of "job-password" and "job-save-disposition" (Smith) > - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html > -- discussed at IPP WG on 06/29/17 and mailing list through 08/17/17 > -- Schedule - awaiting further input from Smith, Mike, Ira > > (11) Review of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike) > - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170910-rev.pdf > -- Prototype draft - PWG F2F review on 08/09/17 - completed > -- Schedule - prototype in "ippserver" - Stable draft in Q4 2017 > > (12) Next steps > - IPP WG call on Thu 28 September 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern > -- regular topics > > - IPP WG call on Thu 12 October 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern > -- regular topics > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > Jan-April: 579 Park Place > > Saline, MI > > 48176 > > 734-944-0094 <(734)%20944-0094> > May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 > <(906)%20494-2434> > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > --94eb2c06adc062f45305592bebf9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith= ,

Look at Mike's minutes.

We did review all t= he Github pull requests and all the other errata reports.

Then= we talked at length about Saved Jobs and the need for something
&= quot;better" (more flexible) than mere "job-password" to pro= tect those Saved
Jobs from resubmission by unauthorized parties.

We also talked about the wider topic of "defen= se-in-depth", e.g., TLS does
good protection (w/ encryption)= of data-in-transit and OPAL SEDs do quite
good protection (by au= tomatic encryption) of data-at-rest.=C2=A0 Nonetheless,
security = best practice would be to use another layer of encryption on the
= wire and another layer of encryption at rest.=C2=A0 Needs LOTS more thought= .

Without your good coments, we decided not to spend 25= minutes on the
review of a bit of IPP System Service.=C2=A0 Mike = hopes in two weeks to have
some implementation insights and = comments.

Cheers,
- Ira


Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musici= an / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WGChair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer= Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WGIETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High N= orth Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/bluer= oofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/hi= ghnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 = Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Gran= d Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434

=

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Kennedy, S= mith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
Hi Ira= ,

As you know, I won't make the call today. But I= 9;d like to make sure that Github pull requests are also added to the agend= a in the future. If I recall correctly, we needed to review these in the IP= P WG meetings for WG approval. I'd like to finalize IPP Everywhere Self= Certification 1.0 Update 2 soon and we need to approve some fixes before t= hat can be made, IMHO. Releasing a "beta" build would be helpful = as well.

Smith

/**
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Smith Kennedy
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wireless A= rchitect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Standards - IEEE ISTO= PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi=C2=A0Alliance / NFC Forum / USB IF
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 HP Inc.
*= /



On Sep 13, 2= 017, at 6:05 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

<= div class=3D"h5">
Hi,

Our next IPP WG= call will be Thursday 14 September 2017 at
12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:= 00pm-4:30pm US Eastern

NOTE: Please USE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below

-------------------------------------------------------
M= eeting information
------------------------------------------------= -------
Topic: IPP WG
Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday= , May 11, 2017, to no end date
3:00 pm=C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0=C2=A0Eastern S= tandard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)=C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0=C2=A01 hr 30 mins
=
--------------= -----------------------------------------
WebEx online meeting (join first, before audio bridg= e)
-------------------------------------------------------1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.= com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=3Dm0359478143ca01e059a570ada91f3573<= br>2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a password = is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123
4. Click "Join= ".

-------------------------------------------------------=
Audio Bridge (jo= in second w/ unique access code from WebEx)
---------------------= ----------------------------------
Agenda:
(= 1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review

(3) Status of Errata
=
- http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019302.html
<= /div>
-- ippserver: line number error
-- ipptool: host name sh= ouldn't be case sensitive
-- PWG 5100.7: [jobx] and [ippdoc] r= eferences
-- PWG 5100.7: overloaded use of "defaults"

(4) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul= )
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc= /pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170803.htm
-- see PWG SC minutes from 08= /03/17

(5) Status of PWG 3D Print Job Ticket (Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/informational= /bp-smpjt3d10-20170818.pdf
-- PWG Best Practices (18 August 20= 17)

(6) Status of Mapping of CIP4 JDF to PWG PJT (JDFMAP)= (Ira, Rick)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/in= formational/bp-smjdfmap10-20170828.pdf
-- PWG Best Practi= ces (28 August 2017)

(7) Status of Get-User-Printer-Attributes (Smit= h)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepa= per/tb-userop-20170801-rev.pdf
-- IPP WG adopted for= registration track
-- Schedule - TBD

(8) Status of IPP Pr= esets whitepaper (Smith)
- https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/= pwg/ipp/wd/tb-ipp-preset-20170912-rev.pdf
= -- IPP WG adopted for registration track
-- Schedule - = TBD

(9) Status of IPP HTTP Authentication whitepaper= (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whit= epaper/tb-ippauth-20170803.pdf
-- PWG F2F revie= w on 08/10/17
-- Schedule - TBD

(10) Status of "= job-password" and "job-save-disposition" (Smith)
- ht= tp://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html
-- discuss= ed at IPP WG on 06/29/17 and mailing list through 08/17/17
-- Sche= dule - awaiting further input from Smith, Mike, Ira

(11) Review of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170910-rev.p= df
-- Prototype draft - PWG F2F review on 08/09/17 - completed
--= Schedule - prototype in "ippserver" - Stable draft in Q4 2017
(12) Next steps
- IPP WG call on Thu 28 September 2017 at 3:00= -4:30pm US Eastern
-- regular topics

- IPP WG call on Thu 12 October 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern
--= regular topics

Cheers,
- Ira


=
<= div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - = TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing= WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO = PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Pri= nter MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: <= a href=3D"mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blueroofmusic@g= mail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand = Marais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434

_______________________________________________
ipp mailing listipp@pwg.org
https://ww= w.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp


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SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: hp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hp.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 18 Sep 2017 16:52:12.4130 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DF4PR84MB0249 Cc: "ipp@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] =?utf-8?q?Minutes_posted_for_yesterday=E2=80=99s_concall?= X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8868946381793871218==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============8868946381793871218== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A67B04D9-4C0D-4B86-BD42-A3395FFE3132"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_A67B04D9-4C0D-4B86-BD42-A3395FFE3132 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Mike, I saw a few emails from you that came through Github that some of my = pull requests were approved in the IPP WG meeting on 9/14, but didn't = find their mention in the minutes? Also, I was going to do the merges = but wanted to check with you first. 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ca7981a2-785a-463d-b82a-3db87dfc3ce6 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DF4PR84MB0299 Subject: [IPP] Toward the release of an IPP Everywhere Self Certification 1.0 Update 2 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3106090954357301184==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============3106090954357301184== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1A4BC7F6-A79F-4043-94E6-36201439DE3B"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 --Apple-Mail=_1A4BC7F6-A79F-4043-94E6-36201439DE3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi there, To move toward finally getting an IPP Everywhere Self Certification 1.0 = Update 2 release finalized, it seems we need to: 1. Finalize fixes to ipptool and ippfind from the ippsample project --> = DONE? (Some pending pull requests not merged yet...) 2. Push source for these tools to the ippeveselfcert project --> TBD 3. Do a build and announce an update for feedback and testing --> TBD Mike, can you handle #2 and #3 in the next few days? Or I can do it, = either way. I've instructed some of my cohorts at HP to manually build = an ippeveselfcert tar ball and test with that to see if there are any = lingering issues. They thought there still might be some problems with = out of paper timing. 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(PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.94.246 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:40:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0E8DF4B1-71D1-4272-A21C-1A44B3022442@hp.com> References: <7E3B219F-9CC9-4559-8CD7-7BB7A8D8AD44@apple.com> <0E8DF4B1-71D1-4272-A21C-1A44B3022442@hp.com> From: Ira McDonald Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:40:30 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)" , Ira McDonald Cc: "ipp@pwg.org" Subject: Re: [IPP] =?utf-8?q?Minutes_posted_for_yesterday=E2=80=99s_concall?= X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8145858093400105697==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============8145858093400105697== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11478a38f85f9d055990df5d" --001a11478a38f85f9d055990df5d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Smith, Not captured in the IPP minutes is that we looked at all of your Github issues as well. In every case where the issue was accepted, Mike wants to do some refactoring and stylistic changes to your code before taking it into the main trunk. Mike can explain more. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) < smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote: > Hi Mike, > > I saw a few emails from you that came through Github that some of my pull > requests were approved in the IPP WG meeting on 9/14, but didn't find the= ir > mention in the minutes? Also, I was going to do the merges but wanted to > check with you first. > > Smith > > /** > Smith Kennedy > Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS > Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Foru= m > / USB IF > Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group > HP Inc. > */ > > > > > On Sep 15, 2017, at 6:28 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > > > All, > > > > I have posted the minutes from yesterday=E2=80=99s IPP workgroup confer= ence call > to: > > > > http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall- > minutes-20170914.pdf > > > > Our next conference call is on September 28, 2017 at 3pm ET. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > > ipp mailing list > > ipp@pwg.org > > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --001a11478a38f85f9d055990df5d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Smith,

Not c= aptured in the IPP minutes is that we looked at all of your Github issues
as well.=C2=A0 In every case where the issue was accepted, Mike wan= ts to do some
refactoring and stylistic changes to your code befor= e taking it into the main
trunk.=C2=A0 Mike can explain more.
<= br>
Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / = Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chai= r - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Work= ing Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF= Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North = Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmu= sic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnor= thinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Salin= e, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Mar= ais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434


On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Kennedy, S= mith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy@hp.com> wrote:
Hi Mike,

I saw a few emails from you that came through Github that some of my pull r= equests were approved in the IPP WG meeting on 9/14, but didn't find th= eir mention in the minutes? Also, I was going to do the merges but wanted t= o check with you first.

Smith

/**
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Smith Kennedy
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / = NFC Forum / USB IF
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C. Lilley. February 2017. (Format: TXT=37428 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8081) 8085 UDP Usage Guidelines. L. Eggert, G. Fairhurst, G. Shepherd. March 2017. (Format: TXT=145359 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC5405) (Also BCP0145) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8085) 8089 The "file" URI Scheme. M. Kerwin. February 2017. (Format: TXT=36893 bytes) (Updates RFC1738) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8089) 8094 DNS over Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS). T. Reddy, D. Wing, P. Patil. February 2017. (Format: TXT=31130 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8094) 8117 Current Hostname Practice Considered Harmful. C. Huitema, D. Thaler, R. Winter. March 2017. (Format: TXT=26750 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8117) 8118 The application/pdf Media Type. M. Hardy, L. Masinter, D. Markovic, D. Johnson, M. Bailey. March 2017. (Format: TXT=24463 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC3778) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8118) 8126 Guidelines for Writing an IANA Considerations Section in RFCs. M. Cotton, B. Leiba, T. Narten. June 2017. (Format: TXT=109907 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC5226) (Also BCP0026) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8126) 8129 Authentication Indicator in Kerberos Tickets. A. Jain, N. Kinder, N. McCallum. March 2017. (Format: TXT=11296 bytes) (Updates RFC4120) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8129) 8133 The Security Evaluated Standardized Password-Authenticated Key Exchange (SESPAKE) Protocol. S. Smyshlyaev. Ed., E. Alekseev, I. Oshkin, V. Popov. March 2017. (Format: TXT=89986 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8133) 8140 The Arte of ASCII: Or, An True and Accurate Representation of an Menagerie of Thynges Fabulous and Wonderful in Ye Forme of Character. A. Farrel. 1 April 2017. (Format: TXT=30382 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8140) 8145 Signaling Trust Anchor Knowledge in DNS Security Extensions (DNSSEC). D. Wessels, W. Kumari, P. Hoffman. April 2017. (Format: TXT=27110 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8145) 8152 CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE). J. Schaad. July 2017. (Format: TXT=256190 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8152) 8170 Planning for Protocol Adoption and Subsequent Transitions. D. Thaler, Ed.. May 2017. (Format: TXT=55160 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8170) 8174 Ambiguity of Uppercase vs Lowercase in RFC 2119 Key Words. B. Leiba. May 2017. (Format: TXT=6071 bytes) (Updates RFC2119) (Also BCP0014) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8174) 8179 Intellectual Property Rights in IETF Technology. S. Bradner, J. Contreras. May 2017. (Format: TXT=65486 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC3979, RFC4879) (Updates RFC2026) (Also BCP0079) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8179) 8187 Indicating Character Encoding and Language for HTTP Header Field Parameters. J. Reschke. September 2017. (Format: TXT=28118 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC5987) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8187) 8200 Internet Protocol, Version 6 (IPv6) Specification. S. Deering, R. Hinden. July 2017. (Format: TXT=93658 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC2460) (Also STD0086) (Status: INTERNET STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8200) 8213 Security of Messages Exchanged between Servers and Relay Agents. B. Volz, Y. Pal. August 2017. (Format: TXT=17657 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8213) 8215 Local-Use IPv4/IPv6 Translation Prefix. T. Anderson. August 2017. (Format: TXT=14846 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8215) 8222 Selecting Labels for Use with Conventional DNS and Other Resolution Systems in DNS-Based Service Discovery. A. Sullivan. September 2017. (Format: TXT=28735 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8222) 8229 TCP Encapsulation of IKE and IPsec Packets. T. Pauly, S. Touati, R. Mantha. August 2017. (Format: TXT=56294 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8229) 8235 Schnorr Non-interactive Zero-Knowledge Proof. F. Hao, Ed.. September 2017. (Format: TXT=27481 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8235) 8240 Report from the Internet of Things Software Update (IoTSU) Workshop 2016. H. Tschofenig, S. Farrell. September 2017. (Format: TXT=62562 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8240) 8246 HTTP Immutable Responses. P. McManus. September 2017. (Format: TXT=10969 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8246) Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 --001a11400fc83f74d80559d16d9e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

A selection of stuff inter= esting for PWG and IPP implementors:

8081 The "font" Top-L= evel Media Type. C. Lilley. February 2017. (Format:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 TXT=3D37428 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC808= 1)

8085 UDP Usage Guidelines. L. Eggert, G. Fairhurst, G. Shepherd. = March
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2017. (Format: TXT=3D145359 bytes) (Obsol= etes RFC5405) (Also BCP0145)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (Status: BEST CURR= ENT PRACTICE) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8085)

8089 The "file" URI = Scheme. M. Kerwin. February 2017. (Format: TXT=3D36893
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 bytes) (Updates RFC1738) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI:
=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 10.17487/RFC8089)

8094 DNS over Datagram Trans= port Layer Security (DTLS). T. Reddy, D.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Wing, = P. Patil. February 2017. (Format: TXT=3D31130 bytes) (Status:
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EXPERIMENTAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8094)

8117 Current H= ostname Practice Considered Harmful. C. Huitema, D. Thaler,
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 R. Winter. March 2017. (Format: TXT=3D26750 bytes) (Status:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8117)

81= 18 The application/pdf Media Type. M. Hardy, L. Masinter, D. Markovic,
= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 D. Johnson, M. Bailey. March 2017. (Format: TXT=3D= 24463 bytes)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (Obsoletes RFC3778) (Status: INFOR= MATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8118)

8126 Guidelines for Writing an IA= NA Considerations Section in RFCs. M.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Cotton, B= . Leiba, T. Narten. June 2017. (Format: TXT=3D109907 bytes)
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 (Obsoletes RFC5226) (Also BCP0026) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACT= ICE)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8126)

8129 Authen= tication Indicator in Kerberos Tickets. A. Jain, N. Kinder, N.
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 McCallum. March 2017. (Format: TXT=3D11296 bytes) (Updates = RFC4120)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.1= 7487/RFC8129)

8133 The Security Evaluated Standardized Password-Auth= enticated Key
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Exchange (SESPAKE) Protocol. S. S= myshlyaev. Ed., E. Alekseev, I.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Oshkin, V. Popo= v. March 2017. (Format: TXT=3D89986 bytes) (Status:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8133)

8140 The Arte of ASCII= : Or, An True and Accurate Representation of an
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= Menagerie of Thynges Fabulous and Wonderful in Ye Forme of
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Character. A. Farrel. 1 April 2017. (Format: TXT=3D30382 bytes= )
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC814= 0)

8145 Signaling Trust Anchor Knowledge in DNS Security Extensions=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (DNSSEC). D. Wessels, W. Kumari, P. Hoffman. A= pril 2017. (Format:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 TXT=3D27110 bytes) (Status:= PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8145)

8152 CBOR Object Signin= g and Encryption (COSE). J. Schaad. July 2017.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = (Format: TXT=3D256190 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI:
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 10.17487/RFC8152)

8170 Planning for Protocol Adopti= on and Subsequent Transitions. D.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thaler, Ed.. = May 2017. (Format: TXT=3D55160 bytes) (Status:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8170)

8174 Ambiguity of Uppercase = vs Lowercase in RFC 2119 Key Words. B. Leiba.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 M= ay 2017. (Format: TXT=3D6071 bytes) (Updates RFC2119) (Also BCP0014)
=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC817= 4)

8179 Intellectual Property Rights in IETF Technology. S. Bradner= , J.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Contreras. May 2017. (Format: TXT=3D65486 = bytes) (Obsoletes RFC3979,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 RFC4879) (Updates RF= C2026) (Also BCP0079) (Status: BEST CURRENT
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PRA= CTICE) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8179)

8187 Indicating Character Encoding a= nd Language for HTTP Header Field
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Parameters. J= . Reschke. September 2017. (Format: TXT=3D28118 bytes)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 (Obsoletes RFC5987) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI:
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 10.17487/RFC8187)

8200 Internet Protocol, Versio= n 6 (IPv6) Specification. S. Deering, R.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Hinden= . July 2017. (Format: TXT=3D93658 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC2460)
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (Also STD0086) (Status: INTERNET STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/R= FC8200)

8213 Security of Messages Exchanged between Servers and Rel= ay Agents. B.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Volz, Y. Pal. August 2017. (Forma= t: TXT=3D17657 bytes) (Status:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 PROPOSED STANDAR= D) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8213)

8215 Local-Use IPv4/IPv6 Translation Pre= fix. T. Anderson. August 2017.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (Format: TXT=3D1= 4846 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1= 0.17487/RFC8215)

8222 Selecting Labels for Use with Conventional DNS= and Other Resolution
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Systems in DNS-Based Serv= ice Discovery. A. Sullivan. September 2017.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (Fo= rmat: TXT=3D28735 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 10.17487/RFC8222)

8229 TCP Encapsulation of IKE and IPsec= Packets. T. Pauly, S. Touati, R.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mantha. Augus= t 2017. (Format: TXT=3D56294 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8229)

8235 Schnorr Non-interactiv= e Zero-Knowledge Proof. F. Hao, Ed.. September
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = 2017. (Format: TXT=3D27481 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI:
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 10.17487/RFC8235)

8240 Report from the Internet o= f Things Software Update (IoTSU) Workshop
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2016.= H. Tschofenig, S. Farrell. September 2017. (Format: TXT=3D62562
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8240) <= br>
8246 HTTP Immutable Responses. P. McManus. September 2017. (Format:<= br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 TXT=3D10969 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) = (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8246)

Cheers,
- Ira
<= br clear=3D"all">
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
= Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Op= en Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair -= IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IP= P & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gm= ail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI=C2=A0 48176=C2=A0= 734-944-0094
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Smith, > On Sep 18, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) wrote: > > Hi there, > > To move toward finally getting an IPP Everywhere Self Certification 1.0 Update 2 release finalized, it seems we need to: > > 1. Finalize fixes to ipptool and ippfind from the ippsample project --> DONE? (Some pending pull requests not merged yet...) > > 2. Push source for these tools to the ippeveselfcert project --> TBD I will take care of these things today. > 3. Do a build and announce an update for feedback and testing --> TBD We need to get the updated code signing certificate... (last message I have from Jane on this was on June 29th...) _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Mon Sep 25 10:04:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3871C133065 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 10:04:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=hp.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EJLZNzj4uAGZ for ; 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Tue, 26 Sep 2017 06:02:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet In-reply-to: <25B8C067-7FA7-471B-92CF-58254036E3EA@apple.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 09:02:30 -0400 Message-id: References: <25B8C067-7FA7-471B-92CF-58254036E3EA@apple.com> To: Smith Kennedy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrFLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAYrvvK/1SkwbypohbH9r1ksXjVtYvZ gclj17adTB7zFk9nCmCK4rJJSc3JLEst0rdL4MrY/Tyo4AhnxcGNE9gaGJ+wdzFyckgImEg8 O7uEtYuRi0NIYA2TxKv+Q4wwiav3djBDJA4ySkx6fYkJJMErICjxY/I9li5GDg5mAXmJg+dl QcLMAloS3x+1skDUf2GUmP2snRUkISwgIXG8fyGUHSMx88FNFhCbTUBN4vekPlaQOZwCthIv 5kqDhFkEVCXONnWzQMxUk3h1fRoLxFobiT//toLZQgI5Eqe3n2IGsUUENCQ+TGlmg7hZVuLW 7EtgN0sINLJJ/NvxmX0Co/AsJGfPQjh7FpKzFzAyr2IUzk3MzNHNzDMy0UssKMhJ1UvOz93E CArs1UwSOxi/vDY8xCjAwajEw9vAdDJSiDWxrLgy9xCjNAeLkjjvVYFTkUIC6YklqdmpqQWp RfFFpTmpxYcYmTg4pRoYPQ8u2Ctq1L1GXuN0sdu6iNaHBV6mT+YXPlHT7Fl2yMOdMS618s/+ 5DNKRwPKC2/KKapKrg/JZbU3W+O+Scz5fBtD2YPFR9SOzGNao3yg5w6n+cM5Yk57XrpEnZVu UqkUeRHoPjVqo7zC5z7F9xfs/YPDuN0mqF42nnql2KlUMftw18H3bJ+VWIozEg21mIuKEwEY YzE0TQIAAA== X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrDLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAcoPvS/1Skwc5lohbH9r1ksXjVtYvZ gclj17adTB7zFk9nCmCK4rJJSc3JLEst0rdL4MrY/Tyo4AhnxcGNE9gaGJ+wdzFyckgImEhc vbeDuYuRi0NI4CCjxKTXl5hAErwCghI/Jt9j6WLk4GAWkJc4eF4WJMwsoCXx/VErC0T9F0aJ 2c/aWUESwgISEsf7F0LZMRIzH9xkAbHZBNQkfk/qYwWZwylgK/FirjRImEVAVeJsUzcLxEw1 iVfXp7FArLWR+PNvK5gtJJAjcXr7KWYQW0RAQ+LDlGY2iJtlJW7NvsQ8gVFgFpJLZyFcOgvJ pQsYmVcxChSl5iRWmuglFhTkpOol5+duYgSHYWH4DsZ/y6wOMQpwMCrx8N5gORkpxJpYVlyZ e4hRgoNZSYQ30u9UpBBvSmJlVWpRfnxRaU5q8SFGaQ4WJXHe5WuORgoJpCeWpGanphakFsFk mTg4pRoYl1dLtS2/op2SkbfTz2bZaz/GJSZCdU/tFigU1fwqnmoQ6HluLteunbuvFsjPm+Bz 29bmwcEFPXXynhWcJTcDuVdc+LUx1eb93qWnk3veLVkxrVrTLshzyuty3x3rfCS8WcsOGbD1 fHRU3eUlXVv2aOkhnxmL5mb9/W76uopnjtG/N9kXt5qbKrEUZyQaajEXFScCAI4vTjU/AgAA Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector Subject: Re: [IPP] Toward the release of an IPP Everywhere Self Certification 1.0 Update 2 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" Source for the ippeveselfcert project has been updated... > On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > Smith, > >> On Sep 18, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) wrote: >> >> Hi there, >> >> To move toward finally getting an IPP Everywhere Self Certification 1.0 Update 2 release finalized, it seems we need to: >> >> 1. Finalize fixes to ipptool and ippfind from the ippsample project --> DONE? (Some pending pull requests not merged yet...) >> >> 2. Push source for these tools to the ippeveselfcert project --> TBD > > I will take care of these things today. > >> 3. Do a build and announce an update for feedback and testing --> TBD > > We need to get the updated code signing certificate... (last message I have from Jane on this was on June 29th...) > > _________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Sep 26 12:56:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789A713443E for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:56:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" All, I have posted a beta of the second update of the IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification 1.0 Tools to: http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20170926-macos.zip http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20170926-rhel.tar.gz http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20170926-ubuntu.tar.gz http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20170926-windows.msi Please give them a try and let us know if you run into any problems. If we don't get any reports of problems before October 13, 2017 (roughly two weeks from now) then I'll publish them in the approved tools folder. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Sep 27 06:36:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7EF134B4F for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 06:36:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Wed, 27 Sep 2017 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.94.246 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 06:35:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ira McDonald Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:35:50 -0400 Message-ID: To: "ipp@pwg.org" , Ira McDonald Subject: [IPP] IPP WG Agenda 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern (28 September 2017) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Printing Protocol Workgroup discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3998484767992013016==" Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sender: "ipp" --===============3998484767992013016== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11480a3cf3fa31055a2bdf00" --001a11480a3cf3fa31055a2bdf00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, Our next IPP WG call will be Thursday 28 September 2017 at 12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Eastern NOTE: Please USE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below ------------------------------------------------------- Meeting information ------------------------------------------------------- Topic: IPP WG Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday, May 11, 2017, to no end date 3:00 pm | Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) | 1 hr 30 mins ------------------------------------------------------- WebEx online meeting (join first, before audio bridge) ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=m0359478143 ca01e059a570ada91f3573 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Printing123 4. Click "Join". ------------------------------------------------------- Audio Bridge (join second w/ unique access code from WebEx) ------------------------------------------------------- Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): +1 866 469-3239 <%28866%29%20469-3239> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429-3300 <%28650%29%20429-3300> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570 <%28408%29%20856-9570> Global toll-free call in numbers and other audio options ("Call Me Back" or VoIP) are listed once you join the WebEx meeting. Unique attendee access code: Displayed in the WebEx meeting Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review - Mike as minute taker? (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meetings - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20170914.pdf -- IPP WG call on 09/14/17 (3) Status of IPP Everywhere Self-Certification Tools (Mike) - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019348.html -- Update 2 BETA IPP Everywhere Self-Cert 1.0 Tools (09/26/17) (4) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170803.htm - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170921.htm -- see PWG SC minutes from 08/03/17 and 09/21/17 (5) Interesting recent RFCs (Ira) - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019344.html -- RFC 8117 Current Hostname Practice Considered Harmful -- RFC 8118 The application/pdf Media Type -- RFC 8129 Authentication Indicator in Kerberos Tickets -- RFC 8170 Planning for Protocol Adoption and Subsequent Transitions -- RFC 8200 Internet Protocol, Version 6 (IPv6) Specification (6) Status or Review of Get-User-Printer-Attributes (Smith) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-userop-20170817-rev.pdf -- IPP WG adopted for registration track -- Schedule - TBD (7) Status or Review of IPP Presets (Smith) - https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/tb-ipp-preset-20170912-rev.pdf -- IPP WG adopted for registration track -- Schedule - TBD (8) Status of IPP HTTP Authentication whitepaper (Smith) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ippauth-20170803.pdf -- PWG F2F review on 08/10/17 -- Schedule - TBD (9) Status of "job-password" and "job-save-disposition" (Smith) - http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html -- discussed at IPP WG on 06/29/17 and mailing list through 08/17/17 -- Schedule - awaiting further input from Smith, Mike, Ira (10) Review of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike) - http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsystem10-20170910-rev.pdf -- Prototype draft - PWG F2F review on 08/09/17 - completed -- Schedule - prototype in "ippserver" - Stable draft in Q4 2017 (11) Next steps - IPP WG call on Thu 12 October 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern -- regular topics - IPP WG call on Thu 26 October 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern -- regular topics Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 --001a11480a3cf3fa31055a2bdf00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Our next IPP WG call will be Thu= rsday 28 September 2017 at
12:00-1:30pm US Pacific / 3:00pm-4:30pm US Ea= stern

NOTE: Please U= SE the *new* WebEx and Audio Bridge below

-------= ------------------------------------------------
Meeting informatio= n
-------------------------------------------------------
Topic:= IPP WG
Every 2 weeks on Thursday, from Thursday, May 11, 2017, t= o no end date
3:00 pm=C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0=C2=A0Eastern Standard Time (New= York, GMT-05:00)=C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0=C2=A01 hr 30 mins

------------------------= -------------------------------
WebEx online meeting (join first, before audio bridge)<= br>-------------------------------------------------------
1. Go to= https://ieee-isto.webex.com/ieee-isto/j.php?MTID=3Dm0359478143ca01e059a570ada91f3573
2. If r= equested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a password is require= d, enter the meeting password: Printing123
4. Click "Join".
-------------------------------------------------------
Audio Bridge (join second = w/ unique access code from WebEx)
------------------------------<= wbr>-------------------------
Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada= ): +1 866 469-3239
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 650 429= -3300
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): +1 408 856-9570
Global toll-free call in n= umbers and other audio options ("Call Me Back" or VoIP) are liste= d once you join the WebEx meeting.

Unique attendee access code:=C2= =A0 Displayed in the WebEx meeting


Agenda:
(1) PWG I= P Policy, Minute Taker, Roll Call, and Agenda Review
- Mike a= s minute taker?

(2) Approve IPP minutes from previous mee= tings
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minu= tes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20170914.pdf
-- IPP WG call on 09/14/17

(3) Status of IPP Everywhere Self-Certification = Tools (Mike)
- http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019348.html
-- U= pdate 2 BETA IPP Everywhere Self-Cert 1.0 Tools (09/26/17)

(4) Status of AMSC and ISO liaisons w/ PWG (Paul)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minut= es-20170803.htm
- http://ftp.p= wg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20170921.htm
-- see PW= G SC minutes from 08/03/17 and 09/21/17

(5) Intere= sting recent RFCs (Ira)
- http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019344.html<= /div>
-- RFC 8117 Current Hostname Practice Considered Harmful
-- RFC 8118 The application/pdf Media Type
-- RFC 8129 Authenti= cation Indicator in Kerberos Tickets
-- RFC 8170 Planning for Pro= tocol Adoption and Subsequent Transitions
-- RFC 8200 Internet Pr= otocol, Version 6 (IPv6) Specification

(6) Status = or Review of Get-User-Printer-Attributes (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-userop-20170817-rev.pdf=
-- IPP WG adopted for registration track
-- Schedu= le - TBD

(7) Status or Review of IPP Presets (Smith)
- https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/tb-ipp-preset-20170912-= rev.pdf
-- IPP WG adopted for registration track
=
-- Schedule - TBD

(8) Status of IPP HTTP = Authentication whitepaper (Smith)
- http://ftp.pwg.= org/pub/pwg/ipp/whitepaper/tb-ippauth-20170803.pdf
<= div>
-- PWG F2F review on 08/10/17
-- Schedule - TBD

<= div>(9) Status of "job-password" and "job-save-disposition&q= uot; (Smith)
- http://www.pwg.org/archives/ipp/2017/019238.html=
-- discussed at IPP WG on 06/29/17 and mailing list through 0= 8/17/17
-- Schedule - awaiting further input from Smith, Mike, Ira=

(10) Review of IPP System Service (Ira/Mike)<= br>- http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippsyst= em10-20170910-rev.pdf
-- Prototype draft - PWG F2F review on 08= /09/17 - completed
-- Schedule - prototype in "ippserver" - St= able draft in Q4 2017

(11) Next steps

<= div>- IPP WG call on Thu 12 October 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern
-- regular topics

- IPP WG call on Thu 26 Oc= tober 2017 at 3:00-4:30pm US Eastern
-- regular topics
<= br>Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Softwar= e Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Lin= ux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Gro= up
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Design= ated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
= http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic=
http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:
= blueroofmusic@gmail.com
Jan-April: 579 Park Place=C2=A0 Saline, MI= =C2=A0 48176=C2=A0 734-944-0094
May-Dec: PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, = MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434

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