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******Draft agenda***** Rev 1
THURSDAY, July 13, 2006
1300-1500 Afternoon Session I
Room 513B
======================================
0. Blue sheets, Agenda review, Volunteers for taking minutes and
Jabber scribe
1. WG status and documents update Chairs 10 Mins
2. PANA Framework A. Yegin
15 Mins
draft-ietf-pana-framework-06
3. PANA protocol Y. Ohba 15
Mins
draft-ietf-pana-pana-11
4. PANA Enabling IPsec based Access Control ??? 10 Mins
draft-ietf-pana-ipsec-07
5. SNMP usage for PAA-EP interface Y. El Mghazli 10 Mins
draft-ietf-pana-snmp-06
6. DHCP options for PANA L. Morand 5
Mins
draft-ietf-dhc-paa-option-02
7. Problem Statement for a time-basis accounting in an "always-on"
Broadband Network access scenario R. Maglione 10 Mins
draft-maglione-pana-acct-time-00.txt
8. Using PANA in the MIPv6 Bootstrapping J. Bournelle 10 Mins
draft-bournelle-pana-mip6-01
9. Next steps Chairs 5 Mins
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Hi,
I've just presented the update of the DHCP PANA option in the dhc =
session and the draft seems to be ready for a WGLC (with the removal of =
the use of FDQN).
However, with the re-design of the PANA specification and ongoing =
discussion on discovery mechanism, there is a need to clarfify that the =
DHCP-based discovery mechanism is still required by the pana wg, to =
indicate to the dhc wg that the ongoing work is not "useless".
I think that, if it is decided to have a separate document on discovery =
mechanisms, one of the first points will be to clarify which method to =
use according to the newtork configuration.
We can talk about this during the next pana session, at least during my =
slot.
Lionel
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Alper Yegin [mailto:alper.yegin@yegin.org]=20
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 29 juin 2006 02:27
=C0 : 'Yoshihiro Ohba'
Cc : 'Mark Townsley'; 'Jari Arkko'; pana@ietf.org
Objet : RE: Discovery [was Re: [Pana] IETF LC and discussion: Next =
steps]
That makes sense to me.
Alper
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yoshihiro Ohba [mailto:yohba@tari.toshiba.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:31 AM
> To: Alper Yegin
> Cc: 'Yoshihiro Ohba'; 'Mark Townsley'; 'Jari Arkko'; pana@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Discovery [was Re: [Pana] IETF LC and discussion: Next=20
> steps]
>=20
> On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 03:31:41PM -0700, Alper Yegin wrote:
> >
> > If the separate document is going to say what we already have in the
> base
> > specification, I don't see why we should spin it off. Especially=20
> > given
> that
> > the base document would have a dependency on the discovery document,
> which
> > is likely to take a lot of time and unnecessarily delay the PANA=20
> > standardization.
>=20
> As long as we can add other discovery mechanisms in separate documents =
> when needed in a future, it is ok for me. From this perspective, let=20
> me analyse Section 4.3 of the PANA specification:
>=20
> "
> When the PaC knows the IP address of the PAA, it can send a unicast
> PANA-PAA-Discover message and initiate the PANA exchange. In other
> cases, the PaC MUST rely on dynamic discovery methods, such as
> multicast-based and a traffic-driven discovery.
> "
>=20
> For example, if we have a plan to define an anycast-based discovery=20
> mechansim, then we can define the mechanism as a case where the PaC=20
> knows the IP address of the PAA. So once the mechanism is defined and =
> implmented, then we do not have to rely on the multicast-based=20
> discovery. The same discussion applies to DHCP-based discovery=20
> mechanism.
>=20
> Yoshihiro Ohba
>=20
>=20
> >
> >
> > Alper
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Yoshihiro Ohba [mailto:yohba@tari.toshiba.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:33 PM
> > > To: Alper Yegin
> > > Cc: pana@ietf.org; 'Mark Townsley'; 'Jari Arkko'
> > > Subject: Discovery [was Re: [Pana] IETF LC and discussion: Next=20
> > > steps]
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 08:36:17AM -0700, Alper Yegin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [1] Can we remove the discovery part of the base specification?=20
> > > > Can
> we
> > > > mandate the DHCP-based discovery as specified in a separate
> document?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Also, there is Mark's comment in another thread:
> > > > There is precedent in other groups for advancing discovery=20
> > > > separately from a base protocol (L2VPN/PWE3 and softwires, for=20
> > > > example). Given that there are already multiple ways to do PANA=20
> > > > discovery, I would consider pulling this out of the base=20
> > > > specification as well, allowing it to advance as its own =
document.
> > >
> > > Initially I thought discovery should be integral part of base=20
> > > specification. But going through comments in IETF mailing list=20
> > > (some person raised an issue on administrative scoped multicast in =
> > > multi-hop environment and some person indicated anycast) and=20
> > > private discussion, now I have an impression that it might be good =
> > > to define discovery in separate document(s). We can even define=20
> > > default preference among multiple discovery methods in a separate =
document.
> > >
> > > Yoshihiro Ohba
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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Just to reiterate on the ML what we discussed during the IETF 66 meeting.
We agreed to make the changes as they are described in:
http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06jul/slides/pana-0.ppt
http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06jul/slides/pana-1.ppt
The only deviation from the slides was on the discovery discussions. Per ADs
recommendation, we agreed to remove the discovery text from the base
specification and refer to the draft-ietf-dhc-paa-option. The spec will
allow use of mechanism other than DHCP for discovery, but will not specify
them.
Next step is to revise the documents based on the above guidelines and
submit to IESG for their review.
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PDI (PANA-PAA-Discover) message has dual intent: multicast-based PAA
discovery, and PANA exchange initiation by the PaC.
Now that we are removing the "discovery" component from the base spec, we
need to revise this message.
We can rename it to PCI (PANA-Client-Initiation). This message must be sent
unicast to the PAA. The other details are same as old PDI.
Comments welcome.
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I agree on the renaming.
Yoshihiro Ohba
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 05:53:21PM -0700, Alper Yegin wrote:
> PDI (PANA-PAA-Discover) message has dual intent: multicast-based PAA
> discovery, and PANA exchange initiation by the PaC.
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> Now that we are removing the "discovery" component from the base spec, we
> need to revise this message.
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> We can rename it to PCI (PANA-Client-Initiation). This message must be sent
> unicast to the PAA. The other details are same as old PDI.
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I'm fine with this change also.
I think that this will clarify the use of this command when PAA address =
is known (that is not anymore a discovery mechanism).
BR
Lionel
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I agree on the renaming.
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On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 05:53:21PM -0700, Alper Yegin wrote:
> PDI (PANA-PAA-Discover) message has dual intent: multicast-based PAA=20
> discovery, and PANA exchange initiation by the PaC.
>=20
> Now that we are removing the "discovery" component from the base spec, =
> we need to revise this message.
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> We can rename it to PCI (PANA-Client-Initiation). This message must be =
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> Comments welcome.
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I agree as well.
> I'm fine with this change also.
> I think that this will clarify the use of this command when PAA address=
is known (that is not anymore a discovery mechanism).
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> BR
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> Lionel
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> =C0 : Alper Yegin
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> I agree on the renaming.
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> Yoshihiro Ohba
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> On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 05:53:21PM -0700, Alper Yegin wrote:
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>> PDI (PANA-PAA-Discover) message has dual intent: multicast-based PAA=20
>> discovery, and PANA exchange initiation by the PaC.
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>> Now that we are removing the "discovery" component from the base spec,=
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>> we need to revise this message.
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>> We can rename it to PCI (PANA-Client-Initiation). This message must be=
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>> Comments welcome.
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Hi Alper,
I agree with the proposed change.
Regards.
Alper Yegin wrote:
>PDI (PANA-PAA-Discover) message has dual intent: multicast-based PAA
>discovery, and PANA exchange initiation by the PaC.
>
>Now that we are removing the "discovery" component from the base spec, we
>need to revise this message.
>
>We can rename it to PCI (PANA-Client-Initiation). This message must be sent
>unicast to the PAA. The other details are same as old PDI.
>
>Comments welcome.
>
>Alper
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