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Краткая информация о предстоящем мероприятии:
Назначение финансовой информации. Количественные методы. Коэффициентный метод финансового анализа. Относительные показатели рентабельности и прибыльности. Относительные показатели ликвидности. Анализ платежеспособности li> Относительные показатели оборачиваемости. Анализ структуры капитала. Анализ отчета о прибылях и убытках и баланса. Анализ денежных потоков: прямой и косвенный методы. Трехфакторный анализ финансовой устойчивости Отечественная система финансовых коэффициентов.
В результате обучения группа приобретет знания и навыки:
Умение использовать информационные возможности финансового анализа;Умение приложить его алгоритмы к повседневной практической деятельности; Осознанно применять основные методы количественного анализа к отчетности своей компании;
Проводить как качественную, так и количественную оценку
Оценивать существующую структуру активов и обязательств компании, отметить явные и скрытые тенденции их изменения;Корректно и сознательно рассчитывать все необходимые финансовые показатели;Осознанно рассматривать существующие и планируемые источники финансирования, оценивать достаточность собственных средств, потребность в заемных средствах и степень связанной с этим финансовой автономии - степень зависимости компании от заемных средств
Осуществлять анализ рентабельности и прибыльности своей деятельности; Умение выделять и рассчитать основные показатели, характеризующие рентабельность проекта;Умение выяснить, являются ли обязательствами также и начисленные проценты? Рассчитывать показатели деловой активности, прогнозировать часть из них на предстоящий период и на основе прогноза оценить возможную в будущем краткосрочную платежеспособность;
Оценивать деловую активность компании в цифрах;Сопоставить влияние различных факторов на рентабельность и прибыльность, платежеспособность и ликвидность компании;Квалифицированно осуществить учет внешних факторов;
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Hi Thomas,
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On Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008, Michael T=C3=BCxen wrote:
> The document looks OK to me except for one thing:
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> It looks like poolElementEntry does not provide support
> for the Opaque transport parameter.
Dear all,
this parameter is still missing. I will add it to the MIB.
Best regards
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Hi =
Thomas,
When do you think you will have an =
updated
draft of the MIB with the missing parameter? I believe this was =
the only
comment in WG Last Call.
Thanks,
=
Lyndon
From: Thomas Dreibholz
[mailto:dreibh@iem.uni-due.de]
Sent: Thursday, October =
30, 2008
12:51 AM
To: rserpool@ietf.org
Cc: Michael T=C3=BCxen; =
Magnus
Westerlund; Ong, Lyndon
Subject: Re: [Rserpool] =
WG Last
Call on the Rserpool MIB draft
On =
Mittwoch, 29. Oktober
2008, Michael T=C3=BCxen wrote:
>
The document looks OK to me except for one =
thing:
>
>
It looks like poolElementEntry does not provide =
support
>
for the Opaque transport parameter.
Dear all,
this parameter is still missing. I will add it =
to the
MIB.
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On Freitag, 14. November 2008, Ong, Lyndon wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> When do you think you will have an updated draft of the MIB with the
> missing parameter? I believe this was the only comment in WG Last Call.
Dear Lyndon,
the draft is ready. The I-D submission tool will be reopened at midnight,=20
2008-11-17, so I can submit version 08 on Monday.
Best regards
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Dear Lyndon=
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the draft i=
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Best regard=
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This draft is a work item of the Reliable Server Pooling Working Group of the IETF.
Title : Reliable Server Pooling: Management Information Base using SMIv2
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Filename : draft-ietf-rserpool-mib-08.txt
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RSerPool [RFC5351] is a framework to provide reliable server pooling.
This document defines a SMIv2 compliant Management Information Base
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>Dear all,
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>version 08 of the MIB draft adds the opaque transport parameter to the
>RSerPool MIB. Furthermore, the references have been updated.
>
>Any comments?
Good work! I do not see any problems. Therefore, I suggest to move the
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On Di, 2008-11-18 at 17:13 +0100, Thomas Dreibholz wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> version 08 of the MIB draft adds the opaque transport parameter to the
> RSerPool MIB. Furthermore, the references have been updated.
>
> Any comments?
I have checked the new draft and it seems to be okay for me now.
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Hi Folks,
Thanks for checking over the updated MIB. To be thorough about it,
let's consider this a 1 week Last Call on the updated draft and allow
for any further comments until next Tuesday, November 25th.
If the draft looks good to everyone I will inform our A-Ds that we
believe it is ready for review.
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On Di, 2008-11-18 at 17:13 +0100, Thomas Dreibholz wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> version 08 of the MIB draft adds the opaque transport parameter to the
> RSerPool MIB. Furthermore, the references have been updated.
>
> Any comments?
I have checked the new draft and it seems to be okay for me now.
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Dear all,
What about the draft draft-dreibholz-rserpool-asap-hropt-03
(http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dreibholz-rserpool-asap-hropt-03) on
the ASAP Handle Resolution option to specify the requested number of PE
entries to be selected? I think this is a quite useful extension and
should also be moved forward.
In our deployed RSerPool pool for SimProcTC, we do not need the PU-side
handle resolution cache. Therefore, on a handle resolution, the ENRP
server should exactly select one PE entry for the SimProcTC PU. ASAP as
defined in RFC 5352 lacks of the possibility to specify this. The handle
resolution option allows the PU to exactly tell this information to the
ENRP server. So, the ENRP server can exactly select the one PE entry
for our SimProcPC PU -- while it can provide more entries to PUs
actually making use of the PU-side cache. I see a clear need for
standardization of such an option, since its functionality is IMHO
mandatory for efficient handle resolution.
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On Mittwoch 19 November 2008, Dirk Hoffstadt wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> What about the draft draft-dreibholz-rserpool-asap-hropt-03
> (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dreibholz-rserpool-asap-hropt-03) on
> the ASAP Handle Resolution option to specify the requested number of PE
> entries to be selected? I think this is a quite useful extension and
> should also be moved forward.
>
> In our deployed RSerPool pool for SimProcTC, we do not need the PU-side
> handle resolution cache. Therefore, on a handle resolution, the ENRP
> server should exactly select one PE entry for the SimProcTC PU. ASAP as
> defined in RFC 5352 lacks of the possibility to specify this. The handle
> resolution option allows the PU to exactly tell this information to the
> ENRP server. So, the ENRP server can exactly select the one PE entry
> for our SimProcPC PU -- while it can provide more entries to PUs
> actually making use of the PU-side cache. I see a clear need for
> standardization of such an option, since its functionality is IMHO
> mandatory for efficient handle resolution.
Dear Dirk,
yes, this option is indeed really useful and I also think it is mandatory f=
or=20
efficient RSerPool deployment (and therefore, RSPLIB has it built-in, of=20
course).
I did some intensive analysis and performance optimization research on the=
=20
RSerPool handlespace management. The results of this work can be found in t=
he=20
journal article "An Evalulation of the Pool Maintenance Overhead in Reliabl=
e=20
Server Pooling Systems", which has been published in the International=20
Journal of Hybrid Information Technology (IJHIT), Volume 1, Number 2, April=
=20
2008. This article is available online here:=20
http://www.sersc.org/journals/IJHIT/vol1_no2_2008/2%20pp%2017-32.pdf .
In summary: if the ENRP server has no knowledge on how many PE entries to=20
select upon a PU's request, it will use an - usually - too high fixed=20
setting. In my experience, the PU-side cache is mostly not used (i.e. only =
1=20
PE entry is needed by the PU) to use the most accurate PE state for adaptiv=
e=20
policies. But setting the default to 1, it would make the PU-cache useless.=
=20
Therefore, if any of the PUs makes use of its cache, an ENRP server's setti=
ng=20
must be larger than 1. This implies significant inefficiency for handle=20
resolutions by PUs needing only one entry (waste of ENRP server CPU time an=
d=20
waste of bandwidth). This problem will be overcome by the usage of the hand=
le=20
resolution option, which lets the PU specify its desired number of PE=20
entries.
Best regards
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Dear all,
I took a look at the MIB. It looks good and should be forwarded.
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Dear all,
version 08 of the MIB draft adds the opaque transport parameter to the
RSerPool MIB. Furthermore, the references have been updated.
Any comments?
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Hi Folks,
Not to pass judgement one way or another on the handle resolution
option, but I don't see our A-Ds favoring the creation of a new item on
our charter. I believe the most likely direction forward on this is as
an individual draft rather than a Working Group activity.
I will check with Lars and Magnus, though.
Best regards,
Lyndon
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Dear all,
What about the draft draft-dreibholz-rserpool-asap-hropt-03
(http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dreibholz-rserpool-asap-hropt-03) on
the ASAP Handle Resolution option to specify the requested number of PE
entries to be selected? I think this is a quite useful extension and
should also be moved forward.
In our deployed RSerPool pool for SimProcTC, we do not need the PU-side
handle resolution cache. Therefore, on a handle resolution, the ENRP
server should exactly select one PE entry for the SimProcTC PU. ASAP as
defined in RFC 5352 lacks of the possibility to specify this. The handle
resolution option allows the PU to exactly tell this information to the
ENRP server. So, the ENRP server can exactly select the one PE entry
for our SimProcPC PU -- while it can provide more entries to PUs
actually making use of the PU-side cache. I see a clear need for
standardization of such an option, since its functionality is IMHO
mandatory for efficient handle resolution.
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Ong, Lyndon skrev:
> Hi Folks,
> =
> Not to pass judgement one way or another on the handle resolution
> option, but I don't see our A-Ds favoring the creation of a new item on
> our charter. I believe the most likely direction forward on this is as
> an individual draft rather than a Working Group activity.
> =
> I will check with Lars and Magnus, though.
> =
Hi,
The current plan is to shutdown the WG. It has been clear for quite some
long time that the energy level is very low. I intended to keep with the
plan to shutdown the WG. I was seriously considering closing the WG
already before finishing the MIB.
This doesn't prevent that some minor extensions are worked on. I can AD
sponsor appropriate documents. But please remember that we one of the
reasons for closing the WG is that we don't have a lot of support and we
need to see if we get any significant usage before taking up update and
extensions work again.
So no WG item for this work.
Cheers
Magnus Westerlund
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Magnus:
I really don't understand the usefulness of this extension.
What it does, in a nut shell, is allow the PU requester to
limit the number of responses he is getting...
This can easily be done by:
- configuring the ENRP server to limit the number of responses
or
- configuring the requesting PU side to discard all but the number
that he wants.
Either way works without changes to the protocol..
R
On Nov 19, 2008, at 12:03 PM, Magnus Westerlund wrote:
> Ong, Lyndon skrev:
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Not to pass judgement one way or another on the handle resolution
>> option, but I don't see our A-Ds favoring the creation of a new =
>> item on
>> our charter. I believe the most likely direction forward on this =
>> is as
>> an individual draft rather than a Working Group activity.
>>
>> I will check with Lars and Magnus, though.
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> The current plan is to shutdown the WG. It has been clear for quite =
> some
> long time that the energy level is very low. I intended to keep with =
> the
> plan to shutdown the WG. I was seriously considering closing the WG
> already before finishing the MIB.
>
> This doesn't prevent that some minor extensions are worked on. I can =
> AD
> sponsor appropriate documents. But please remember that we one of the
> reasons for closing the WG is that we don't have a lot of support =
> and we
> need to see if we get any significant usage before taking up update =
> and
> extensions work again.
>
> So no WG item for this work.
>
> Cheers
>
> Magnus Westerlund
>
> IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair
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On Mittwoch 19 November 2008, Randy Stewart wrote:
> Magnus:
>
> I really don't understand the usefulness of this extension.
>
> What it does, in a nut shell, is allow the PU requester to
> limit the number of responses he is getting...
>
> This can easily be done by:
> - configuring the ENRP server to limit the number of responses
Dear Randy,
this does not work for all pools. If there are PUs in the pool which requir=
e=20
only 1 PE entry and other PUs in the pool requiring up to 100, the setting=
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has to be 100.
> - configuring the requesting PU side to discard all but the number
> that he wants.
Then, the ENRP has to unnecessarily select entries, which wastes a lot of=20
processing power and network bandwidth. In summary, it is very inefficient.=
=20
=46or details, see the performance evaluation in the journal article "An=20
Evalulation of the Pool Maintenance Overhead in Reliable=20
Server Pooling Systems", which has been published in the International=20
Journal of Hybrid Information Technology (IJHIT), Volume 1, Number 2, April=
=20
2008. This article is available online here:=20
http://www.sersc.org/journals/IJHIT/vol1_no2_2008/2%20pp%2017-32.pdf .
> Either way works without changes to the protocol.
It works, but it is very inefficient. For a useful deployment of RSerPool, =
I=20
see this option as being absolutely necessary. Therefore, and since there a=
re=20
multiple implementations and people are starting to actually use RSerPool, =
I=20
see the need for this document to also become RFC. This will avoid=20
incompatibilities among implementations.
Best regards
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Thomas Dreibholz schrieb:
> On Mittwoch 19 November 2008, Randy Stewart wrote:
>> Magnus:
>>
>> I really don't understand the usefulness of this extension.
>>
>> What it does, in a nut shell, is allow the PU requester to
>> limit the number of responses he is getting...
>>
>> This can easily be done by:
>> - configuring the ENRP server to limit the number of responses
>
> Dear Randy,
>
> this does not work for all pools. If there are PUs in the pool which require
> only 1 PE entry and other PUs in the pool requiring up to 100, the setting
> has to be 100.
>
>
>> - configuring the requesting PU side to discard all but the number
>> that he wants.
>
> Then, the ENRP has to unnecessarily select entries, which wastes a lot of
> processing power and network bandwidth. In summary, it is very inefficient.
> For details, see the performance evaluation in the journal article "An
> Evalulation of the Pool Maintenance Overhead in Reliable
> Server Pooling Systems", which has been published in the International
> Journal of Hybrid Information Technology (IJHIT), Volume 1, Number 2, April
> 2008. This article is available online here:
> http://www.sersc.org/journals/IJHIT/vol1_no2_2008/2%20pp%2017-32.pdf .
Dear Thomas, Randy,
Yes, this is exactly the point I mentioned in my mail yesterday. Such an
option is definitively necessary for efficient RSerPool deployment.
>> Either way works without changes to the protocol.
>
> It works, but it is very inefficient. For a useful deployment of RSerPool, I
> see this option as being absolutely necessary. Therefore, and since there are
> multiple implementations and people are starting to actually use RSerPool, I
> see the need for this document to also become RFC. This will avoid
> incompatibilities among implementations.
I fully agree to this point. Without a standardized definition of this
option, each implementor/vendor will sooner or later add such a
functionality to provide efficient PE selection. This will cause
incompatibilities, which must be avoided.
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