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TELECOM Digest Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:54:00 EDT Volume 24 : Issue 261 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Telecom Update #485, June 10, 2005 (Angus TeleManagement Group) Bellsouth Caller ID (Choreboy) Altigen Workgroup Outbound caller ID (citius21j@yahoo.com) Nortel's President Resigns (Telecom dailyLead from USTA) US Robotics 005605 Modem and VOIP (colin@nomailspam.com) Can Verizon Phone Be Used With Bell Mobility in Canada? (aqabbas) Access Personal Contacts, Notes Through Text Messaging (Phil) Re: 'Phone Tapping' Modem Traffic ? (mc) Re: 'Phone Tapping' Modem Traffic ? (Robert Bonomi) Re: Verizon's Voice Mailboxes Now Give 'Shout Out' to Verizon (Joseph) Re: Cannot Cancel AT&T Service After Moving to Vonage (Danny Burstein) Re: Can You Disable Text Messaging? (Isaiah Beard) Re: MCI Now Charging Extra on Payphones When Using Phone Card! (Levine) Re: Why There Are Questions About GoDaddy (T. Sean Weintz) Re: Digest New Sponsorship (T. Sean Weintz) Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. =========================== Addresses herein are not to be added to any mailing list, nor to be sold or given away without explicit written consent. Chain letters, viruses, porn, spam, and miscellaneous junk are definitely unwelcome. We must fight spam for the same reason we fight crime: not because we are naive enough to believe that we will ever stamp it out, but because we do not want the kind of world that results when no one stands against crime. Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:16:41 -0700 Subject: Telecom Update #485, June 10, 2005 From: Angus TeleManagement Group <jriddell@angustel.ca> Reply-To: Angus TeleManagement Group <jriddell@angustel.ca> ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE ************************************************************ published weekly by Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca Number 485: June 10, 2005 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: ** ALLSTREAM: www.allstream.com ** AVAYA: www.avaya.ca/en/ ** BELL CANADA: www.bell.ca ** CISCO SYSTEMS CANADA: www.cisco.com/ca/ ** ERICSSON: www.ericsson.ca ** MITEL NETWORKS: www.mitel.com/ ** SPRINT CANADA: www.sprint.ca ** UTC CANADA: www.canada.utc.org/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Policy Review Asks 106 Questions ** Nortel President, CTO Resign ** Cogeco Enters Local Phone Business ** Some VoIP Providers Get 9-1-1 Extension ** RIM's Patent Settlement Stalls ** Consortium Wants 5-1-1 for Weather & Travel Info ** Bell Announces Global VoIP Trial ** Nortel Offers Unified Applications Platform ** Sierra Gives Up on Smartphone ** Building Access Rules Include Utelcos ** Rogers Extends Ultra-Lite to Newfoundland ** PIAC Wants Price Cap Amendments ** Telus and IEEE Sponsor Student Contest ** Bell Buys Western ERP Integrator ** Call Genie Names New CEO ** Allstream's Macdonald on Medical Leave ** CIRA Warns Against Password Fraud ** Orion Holds Research Summit ============================================================ POLICY REVIEW ASKS 106 QUESTIONS: The Telecom Policy Review Committee's consultation paper, released on Monday, invites comments on a broad range of issues in order "not to prejudge or prematurely eliminate areas of interest and potential reform." ** "Canada has generally been well served by the policy and regulatory framework that evolved over the last century," says the paper, but asks, "Should changes be made [to this framework] to better equip Canada to reap future benefits from developments in telecommunications and ICT as these become more powerful enablers of our social and economic lives?" ** 106 specific questions are organized in seven sections: the changing telecom environment, the regulatory framework, regulatory institutions, Canada's connectivity agenda, making the most of technology, other issues, and implementation. ** First-round submissions are due August 15; comments on the submissions are to be made by September 15. The panel hopes to make its recommendations before the end of 2005. www.telecomreview.ca/epic/internet/intprp-gecrt.nsf/en/h_rx00015e.html NORTEL PRESIDENT, CTO RESIGN: Newly recruited President and CTO Gary Daichendt has resigned from Nortel Networks as a result of what CEO Bill Owens terms "divergent management styles and ... business views." CTO Gary Kunis, who previously worked with Daichendt in Cisco Systems and joined Nortel following Daichendt's appointment, has also left the company. COGECO ENTERS LOCAL PHONE BUSINESS: On June 8, Cogeco Cable launched digital telephone service in Burlington and Oakville, Ontario. The company says it will extend service to most of the cities it serves by December 2006. ** Service is $44.99 for customers who also take Cogeco High Speed Internet and cable TV; $49.95 for those who take only Internet. ** Included: unlimited Canada and U.S. long distance; voice mail and four other features; 4-1-1, 6-1-1, and 9-1-1; and eight-hour battery back up. SOME VOIP PROVIDERS GET 9-1-1 EXTENSION: In response to applications by Vonage, SaskTel, BananaTel, MTS Allstream, Primus, and Globility, the CRTC has given these providers until August 17 to ensure that their nomadic VoIP 9-1-1 calls are routed to the correct emergency center. (See Telecom Update #482) www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Letters/2005/lt050527.htm RIM'S PATENT SETTLEMENT STALLS: Research In Motion says it has reached an impasse in efforts to finalize its patent licensing agreement with NTP Inc. and is taking court action to enforce the settlement. (See Telecom Update #473) NTP says it will now ask for a court injunction blocking BlackBerry sales in the U.S. CONSORTIUM WANTS 5-1-1 FOR WEATHER & TRAVEL INFO: The Canada 511 Consortium, consisting of Environment Canada, Transport Canada, Canadian Urban Transit Association, Transportation Association of Canada, the Intelligent Transportation Systems Society of Canada, all ten provincial governments, and the Yukon Territorial government, has asked the CRTC to assign the 5-1-1 as a telephone number for the free delivery of weather and travel information to the public. www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2005/pt2005-5.htm BELL ANNOUNCES GLOBAL VoIP TRIAL: Bell Canada has begun trials of Global Voice over Internet Protocol, which provides flat-rate intra-company international long distance service over a virtual private IP network. International connectivity is from BT Infonet. NORTEL OFFERS UNIFIED APPLICATIONS PLATFORM: Nortel Networks has announced its new Applications Center, which provides a open standards and SIP-based platform for contact center, speech recognition, unified messaging, and multimedia collaboration tools. Also announced: ** New releases of Nortel's Contact Center Suite (formerly Symposium), CallPilot Unified Messaging, and CS 1000 IP-PBX. ** IP Phone 2007, Nortel's first full colour screen phone. ** Nortel's new Multimedia Office Client, which provides multimedia enhancement of Microsoft Office Outlook. SIERRA GIVES UP ON SMARTPHONE: Sierra Wireless says it will sell or shut down its Voq Professional Phone business in order to focus on its core PC card business. Voq, a competitor of BlackBerry and Treo smartphones, secured a $9.5 million federal government investment but sold only an estimated 4,000 units. (See Telecom Update #403, 427) BUILDING ACCESS RULES INCLUDE UTELCOS: In response to a 2003 application, the CRTC has extended the multi-dwelling unit access agreement guidelines set in Telecom Decision 2003-45 to include members of the Coalition of Hydro Telecom Service Providers. (See Telecom Update #402) www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2005/dt2005-33.htm ROGERS EXTENDS ULTRA-LITE TO NEWFOUNDLAND: Rogers Cable has begun offering its Hi-Speed Internet Ultra-Lite service in Newfoundland. The service offers speeds of up to 128 Kbps download and 64 Kbps upload for $19.95 per month. PIAC WANTS PRICE CAP AMENDMENTS: Responding to the CRTC's proposal to extend the current price cap regime for two years (see Telecom Update #481), the Public Interest Advocacy Centre says that current consumer price levels are too high, and has asked for an extended process to review them. The CRTC has postponed the comment deadline to June 20, but says its proposal "does not contemplate a detailed review of any aspect" of the current regime. www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/eng/2005/8678/c12_200505729.htm#4a TELUS AND IEEE SPONSOR STUDENT CONTEST: Telus and the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers have initiated an annual contest for Information Computing and Telecommunications projects submitted by undergraduate engineering or technology students. The IEEE Telus Innovation Award features $20,000 in cash prizes. www.ieee.ca/students/telus_award/index.htm BELL BUYS WESTERN ERP INTEGRATOR: Bell Canada has acquired Winnipeg-based CSB Systems, an Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) systems integrator that specializes in Microsoft mid- market ERP software products Navision and Syspro. CSB will become part of the recently-formed Bell Business Solutions organization. CALL GENIE NAMES NEW CEO: Call Genie, a Calgary-based supplier of voice directory technology, management, and support services, has named Michael Durance, a VP of Toshiba's telecom division, as Chief Executive Officer. ALLSTREAM'S MACDONALD ON MEDICAL LEAVE: John McDonald, President of MTS's Allstream division, began medical leave on June 10 for undisclosed reasons. MTS announced that CEO Bill Fraser will be overseeing Allstream until MacDonald returns. CIRA WARNS AGAINST PASSWORD FRAUD: The Canadian Internet Registration Authority warns against fake email messages purporting be from CIRA, which ask dot-ca domain name holders for their CIRA user account number or password. Do not share this information with anyone, CIRA says. ORION HOLDS RESEARCH SUMMIT: The Ontario Research and Innovation Optical Network (ORION), which provides high bandwidth connectivity to Ontario universities and research institutions, is holding its 2005 summit in Toronto June 13 and 14. Registration is open to the public, at $295 for the two-day event. www.orion.on.ca/events/ontariorandesummit.html ============================================================ HOW TO SUBMIT ITEMS FOR TELECOM UPDATE E-MAIL: editors@angustel.ca FAX: 905-686-2655 MAIL: TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement Group 8 Old Kingston Road Ajax, Ontario Canada L1T 2Z7 =========================================================== HOW TO SUBSCRIBE (OR UNSUBSCRIBE) TELECOM UPDATE is provided in electronic form only. There are two formats available: 1. The fully-formatted edition is posted on the World Wide Web late Friday afternoon each week at www.angustel.ca 2. The e-mail edition is distributed free of charge. To subscribe, send an e-mail message to: join-telecom_update@nova.sparklist.com To stop receiving the e-mail edition, send an e-mail message to: leave-telecom_update@nova.sparklist.com Sending e-mail to these addresses will automatically add or remove the sender's e-mail address from the list. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ============================================================ ------------------------------ From: Choreboy <choreboyREMOVE@localnet.com> Subject: Bellsouth Caller ID Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:45:43 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Caller ID won't show names for some cellphone callers. I decided to ask Bellsouth if their Caller ID would show names of cellphone callers with any cellphone carriers, and if so, what carriers. Bellsouth loves calling customers for telemarketing but doesn't like having customers call Customer Service. I decided to try email. I was redirected to a page telling me I wouldn't be allowed on unless I downloaded Netscape or Explorer. Some sites won't work very well with some browsers, but this is the first time a website wouldn't allow me on except with specified browsers. Netscape 7 is unacceptable for Mac OS9 because Netscape dropped support and left it full of serious bugs. I happened to have Explorer but prefer two newer browsers that are more versatile and standards-compliant. Bellsouth expected me to do a 15 MB download before I could email them. It's not a customer-friendly company. As they'd warned, Bellsouth made me wait 48 hours. The answer was that whether Caller ID showed a name for a cellphone caller would depend on what carrier the caller was using. So Bellsouth won't tell me what cellphone carriers provide names for their Caller ID. Is this information available anywhere? ------------------------------ From: citius21j@yahoo.com Subject: Altigen Workgroup Outbound Caller ID Date: 10 Jun 2005 11:20:29 -0700 Hi, Could someone please help me with this. We are using the ALTIGEN SYSTEM We have 2 workgroups set up for two separate businesses we are running. I have entered two different transmitted CID numbers for them but they dont seem to be displayed when an agent logged into the workgroup is making an outbound call. It seems to pull up the transmitted CID number for the agent. Please guide me as how to get the different business number show up when the agent is making outbound call from the workgroup. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:35:39 EDT From: Telecom dailyLead from USTA <usta@dailylead.com> Subject: Nortel's President Resigns Telecom dailyLead from USTA June 10, 2005 http://www.dailylead.com/latestIssue.jsp?i=22249&l=2017006 TODAY'S HEADLINES NEWS OF THE DAY * Nortel's president resigns BUSINESS & INDUSTRY WATCH * Nokia, Intel form WiMAX alliance * BellSouth's extensive fiber network may help IPTV plans * Adelphia offers broadband music service USTA SPOTLIGHT * Order Today! Newton's Telecom Dictionary -- 21st Edition EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES * Tech whiz talks open source VOIP DOWNLOAD * Gartner: IP telephony security threat overhyped * Agilent targets cable VoIP REGULATORY & LEGISLATIVE * Kurth pulls out of FCC consideration Follow the link below to read quick summaries of these stories and others. http://www.dailylead.com/latestIssue.jsp?i=22249&l=2017006 Legal and Privacy information at http://www.dailylead.com/about/privacy_legal.jsp SmartBrief, Inc. 1100 H ST NW, Suite 1000 Washington, DC 20005 ------------------------------ Subject: US Robotics 005605 Modem and VOIP From: colin@nomailspam.com Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:40:08 -0500 I have a US Robotics 005605 (aka Model 0525) 56k Voice Faxmodem. The last time I used it was several years ago with a Win 98 OS. Having converted to Win 2000 pro, I downloaded the USB firmware flash program for this model from the US Robotics support site. http://www.usr.com/support/product-template.asp?prod=5605 The problem is that I'm not sure what driver to use. There's a USB driver but I can't get a dialtone from my Sipora 2000 VOIP modem with it. The OS recognizes the modem. Is it possible that it doesn't recognize VOIP connections? US Robotics tech support states the following: "In Control Panel, double-click Modems and remove extra modem entries" Does that also mean I should remove these options from the Advanced tab? Microsoft H.323 TAPI Service Provider Microsoft Multicast Conference TAPI Service Provider NDIS Proxy TAPI Service Provider TAPI Kernel-Mode Service Provider Unimodem 5 Service Provider I'm going to try using the serial cable now. If anyone has experience with VOIP and analog modems, please contribute! ------------------------------ From: aqabbas@yahoo.com Subject: Can Verizon Phone be Used With Bell Mobility in Canada? Date: 10 Jun 2005 15:09:40 -0700 Can a Verizon phone be used with Bell Mobility in Canada? I know they both use CDMA. I am specifialy interested in the Kyocera 7135. ------------------------------ From: phil <philippevannuys@gmail.com> Subject: Access Personal Contacts, Notes, Through Text Messaging Date: 10 Jun 2005 15:10:58 -0700 Navin Communications Inc. developed a new service which allows you to access your Contacts, Calendar, Notes, ... through text messaging. The service is still in BETA and can be used for free at this moment. Try it out at www.telixo.com Phil ------------------------------ From: mc <mc_no_spam@uga.edu> Subject: Re: 'Phone Tapping' Modem Traffic ? Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:38:14 -0400 Organization: Speed Factory (http://www.speedfactory.net) <jg@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:telecom24.260.5@telecom-digest.org: > Hi, > I believe my 'voice line' is being tapped [the line feeds through the > 'opponents' switchboard]. > How difficult is it for them to 'decode' my modem [to ISP] traffic ? > I'm guessing/hoping that my modem has to 'synchronise' with the ISP's > in analog mode, so it's difficult for a '3rd' party to listen ? I'm not sure about current modems. With early modem technology (1200 baud and below), eavesdropping was easy. ------------------------------ From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) Subject: Re: 'Phone Tapping' Modem Traffic ? Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:40:27 -0000 Organization: Widgets, Inc. In article <telecom24.260.5@telecom-digest.org>, <jg@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hi, > I believe my 'voice line' is being tapped [the line feeds through the > 'opponents' switchboard]. > How difficult is it for them to 'decode' my modem [to ISP] traffic ? > I'm guessing/hoping that my modem has to 'synchronise' with the ISP's > in analog mode, so it's difficult for a '3rd' party to listen ? > Is this right ? > Thanks for any info. Short answer: "it depends". With old 'Bell 103" type modems, 'copying' the line communication was comparatively trivial with nothing more than an off-the-shelf modem. With 'Bell 202' type stuff, it was even simpler -- they worked that way automatically. Bell 212 type stuff required some _very_ minor hardware tweaking to turn an off-the-shelf unit into a 'tap'. Above 2400 baud, you need some "somewhat specialized" equipment. Nothing terribly exotic, but you have to know 'where to look'. Generally impractical to modify 'retail, off-the-shelf' modems to the purpose. ------------------------------ From: Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Verizon's Voice Mailboxes Now Give 'Shout Out' to Verizon Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:18:34 -0700 Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:21:15 -0400, Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> wrote: > Starting today, Verizon voice-messaging customers in New York City and > New England can add a feature that sends a text message to any Verizon > Wireless short text messaging-capable phone with an alert that a new > voice message has been left on the customer's landline phone. > - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=49739949 > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What is supposed to make that so > exceptional? Cingular Wireless has always had an icon on the display > screen indicating voice message waiting, and I have always had my > phone set to make three chirps when that icon is turned on. PAT] I had a private voicemail service that did this. Unfortunately they went bust. As to Pat's comment, perhaps you didn't notice that this was to notify you on your cellphone when you have a message on your *landline* phone. Most all cellphones get an indication of a message left in your cellphone voicemail box either o_o or some other icon or if not an icon some send an actual text message to your handset saying "you have a voicemail dial 123 to retrieve" and also will have an audible sound to alert you that you have waiting messages. ------------------------------ From: Danny Burstein <dannyb@panix.com> Subject: Re: Cannot Cancel My AT&T Service After Moving to Vonage Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:54:29 UTC Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC In <telecom24.260.17@telecom-digest.org> johnspilker@msn.com writes: > They are charging us a monthly fee that amounts to $8 a month with > taxes. I did send a registered letter to AT&T legal department and got > a simple form letter that told me to contact Qwest. [ snip of the usuals problems ] Once again, in most states sending off a letter to the public service//utilities commission (and it never hurts to add the AG) gets results for straightforward and (relatively low cost) matters like this. I personally did, in fact, do this with AT&T service here in NYC. About a week after I dropped my letter in the mail box I got back a standard form letter from the PSC in ALbany, NY, and a couple of days later I got a "we've fixed it" note from AT&T. Which they did. (Other people have reported to me similar effectiveness courrtesy of web-page writeups, but I prefer paper. This gives me my own hard copy to refer to). Note that this was a couple of years ago prior to the latest rounds of corporate shuffles, but the process should probably still work. Again, that's _most_ states. Some are pretty useless. _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ From: Isaiah Beard <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> Subject: Re: Can You Disable Text Messaging? Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:05:51 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com jon@earthlink.net wrote: >> It is, but can be inhibited if need be. I have to say, SMS seems to >> be GSM's achilles' heel. A lot of signalling functions on GSM appear >> to be handled by thinly vieled SMS messages, stuff that would be >> handled on a more formal level in CDMA through the paging channel. > Are there on-line specs for GSM and/or CDMA ? I'm sure there are. Google is your friend. :) >> I'm willing to bet that T-Mobile is unwilling to fully disable SMS >> on an account because in many markets, they still use it for voicemail >> and other notifications. > Do they send the voicemail 'digitally compressed' [eg. simulated] ? > What is the average bits/sec which they need ? You misunderstand. I was referring to voicemail *notification*. As in, the voicemail icon on your phone? In CDMA, a flag is set on your handset via the paging channel. On T-Mobile and older generation GSM networks, the flag is not sent (though that is starting to change on T-Mobile, slowly). Instead, you get an explicit SMS message that reads something like "you have 1 unread voice mail message." E-mail fudged to thwart spammers. Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2005 21:35:05 -0000 From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> Subject: Re: MCI Now Charging Extra on Payphones When Using Phone Card! Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > You can blame our own Federal Communications Commission for caving-in > to payphone owners and others involved in the industry for raising > the limit on these surcharges. Yes. In a few areas I see payphone providers with a few grains of sense who are pricing their calls to be competitive, e.g., 10 cpm for a lot of international calls on VZ phones in New York. The rest are in a suicidal circle of higher prices leading to less use leading to yet higher prices. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But I have to wonder what was wrong > with the old 'Separations and Settlements' process AT&T used for > about ninety years. Nothing, so long as all the pay phones belonged to the ILEC and the long distance rates were high enough to pay for a lot of manual work. In a world where there's thousands of COCOT owners and the real cpm for domestic calls is a penny a minute, it's a problem. R's, John [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: There was a fellow when I lived in Chicago, who owned a bunch of COCOTS and he deliberatly priced his _less_ than Ameritech. When Ameritech went to 30 cents per call several years ago, he put signs on all his COCOTS saying 'this phone still just 25 cents" and he offered long distance to anywhere for just _one dollar_ for 3 minutes and some small amount of overtime, I think maybe 10 seconds. He really raked in money on those phones of his. PAT] ------------------------------ From: T. Sean Weintz <strap@hanh-ct.org> Subject: Re: Why There Are Questions About GoDaddy Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:41:25 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com PAT wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Seems like an awfully convoluted way > of running your business, IMO. Well, professional criminals tend to have to do things in convoluted ways if they want to avoid getting caught. This goes for all type of criminals, from hitmen to conmen to spammers. > So my response would be to kill the domain name of the server, chop > off the registrar's head, and burn down the company hosting the > server. YES! Easy enough for the first two steps, but burning down the company hosting the server will require a visa to get into Russia, China, or some other country where US laws generally don't stick. > Fair enough? As one writer here yesterday pointed out, the ISPs > could cure a huge amount of the problem (but I would say give the > registrars some part of the job also) if they gave a Good God Damn, > which many of them do not, such as MCI. And don't forget, MCI uses > their employee Vint Cerf as their front man/mouthpiece with ICANN, > truly God's Gift to Netters everywhere. Agreed. ISP's do NOT do anywhere NEAR enough to ensure they don't have spammers on their networks. However in all fairness it is not always easy for them to catch. Especially for tier one providers such as MCI. > And the small business people who run local ISP operations who _do_ > care and _do_ attempt to check out new customers are treated like > imbeciles, the same as your Esteemed Moderator. PAT] Who treats local ISPs that do care like imbeciles? Did I miss something here? [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Exactly how do you define a 'tier one provider'? What makes 'tier one' different than 'tier two' or 'tier three' for example? Is it the amount of money a provider has to spend on connectivity and bandwidth? If that is the case, then why don't some of the 'tier one' providers spend at least a little money on customer service and investigations, etc? An imbecile is anyone who dares to suggest to the old-school netters that things _could_ and _should_ be better regards spam/scam, and refuses to listen to the old-school guys as they rationalize why it is impossible. To make yourself politically incorrect around here, suggest any course of action other than (1) more filtration, (2) faster processing speed or (3) get out of our playground and totally quit computing to any of the old-school guys. I dare say you will get not one but several 25-50 K-byte or larger messages explaining the error of your ways. PAT] ------------------------------ From: T. Sean Weintz <strap@hanh-ct.org> Subject: Re: Digest New Sponsorship Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:05:35 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com TELECOM Digest Editor wrote: > I am pleased to welcome a new sponsor to the TELECOM Digest as of > today. Main Resource http://www.MainResource.com has signed on > to serve readers here. I will let Alisa Meredith explain about > their products: > http://www.MainResource.com - Buy Refurbished Comdial, Executone, > Inter-tel, Isoetec, Premier and Toshiba telecom equipment on-line > or by phone. Also offering unused PCS Digital systems. 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