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TELECOM Digest Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:18:00 EDT Volume 24 : Issue 315 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Online Data Gets Personal: Cell Phone Records For Sale (Jon Krim) Google Wins in 'Typosquatting' Dispute (Michael Liedtke) Florida Man Charged For Stealing Wi-Fi (Monty Solomon) Amid Crisis, Phones Jammed, But Text Messages Worked (Monty Solomon) June Commentary on Cellular Providers Features (Kelly Daniels) F-MMS Forum Defines New Directions And Broadens Its Scope (PRN) Verizon VOIP Questions (snow) Re: Google Earth Thrills With Photos, Stunts, But How Practical (Tim) Re: SunRocket VOIP Comments? (burris) Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. 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Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Krim <newswire> Subject: Online Data Gets Personal: Cell Phone Records For Sale Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:25:16 -0500 http://washingtonpost.com By Jonathan Krim Washington Post Staff Writer They're not just after your credit card or Social Security numbers. Fueled by the ease of online commerce, snoops are on the trail of other personal information, too. One of the hottest markets: records of phone calls, especially from cell phones. A tool long used by law enforcement and private investigators to help locate criminals or debt-skippers, phone records are a part of the sea of personal data routinely bought and sold online in an Internet-driven, I-can-find-out-anything-about-you world. Legal experts say many of the methods for acquiring such information are illegal, but they receive scant attention from authorities. Think your mate is cheating? For $110, Locatecell.com will provide you with the outgoing calls from his or her cell phone for the last billing cycle, up to 100 calls. All you need to supply is the name, address and the number for the phone you want to trace. Order online, and get results within hours. Carlos F. Anderson, a licensed private investigator in Florida, offers a similar service for $165, for all major telephone carriers. "This report provides all the calls with dates, times, and duration on the billing statement," according to Anderson's Web site, which adds, "Incoming Calls and Call Location are provided if available." Learning who someone talked to on the phone cannot enable the kind of financial fraud made easier when a Social Security or credit card number is purloined. Instead, privacy advocates say, the intrusion is more personal. "This is a person's associations," said Daniel J. Solove, a George Washington University Law School professor who specializes in privacy issues. "Who their physicians are, are they seeing a psychiatrist, companies they do business with ... it's a real wealth of data to find out the people that a person interacts with." Such records could be used by criminals, such as stalkers or abusive spouses trying to find victims. Unlike Social Security numbers, which are on many public documents that have been scooped up for years by data brokers, the only repository of telephone call records is the phone companies. Wireless carriers say they are aware that unauthorized people seek to get their customers' call records and sell them, but the companies say they take steps to prevent it. "There are probably 100 such sites" known to security officials at Verizon Wireless that offer to sell phone records, said Jeffrey Nelson, a company spokesman, who said Verizon is always trying to respond to abusive practices. He said that the company views all such activity as illegal and that "we have historically, and will continue to, change policies to reflect the changing nature of criminal activity," though he declined to be specific. Mark Siegel, a spokesman for Cingular Wireless, said his company constantly is on guard against people trying to get at customer information. But he called the acquisition of call records "an infinitesimally small problem" at his firm. Some experts in the field aren't so sure. "Information security by carriers to protect customer records is practically nonexistent and is routinely defeated," said Robert Douglas, a former private investigator and now a privacy consultant who has tracked the issue for several years. Experts say data brokers and private investigators who offer cell phone records for sale probably get them using one of three techniques. They might have someone on the inside at the carrier who sells the data. Spokesmen for the telephone companies said strict rules prohibiting such activity make this unlikely. But Joel Winston, associate director of the Federal Trade Commission's Financial Practices Division, said other types of data-theft investigations have shown that "finding someone on the inside to bribe is not that difficult." Another method is "pretexting," in which the data broker or investigator pretends to be the cell phone account holder and persuades the carrier's employees to release the information. The availability of Social Security numbers makes it easier to convince a customer service agent that the caller is the account holder. Finally, someone seeking call data can try to get access to consumer accounts online. Telephone companies, like other service firms, are encouraging their customers to manage their accounts over the Internet. Typically, the online capability is set up in advance, waiting to be activated by the customer. But many customers never do. If the person seeking the records can figure out how to activate online account management in the name of a real customer before that customer does, the call records are there for the taking. Federal law expressly prohibits pretexting for financial data -- which at one time was a primary means of stealing credit card and other account information -- but does not cover telephone records, which are covered by a patchwork of state and federal laws governing access to personal information. Some privacy advocates argue that the federal pretexting law needs to be broadened. At the very least, "there need to be audit trails to detect employee access to this personal information and a data retention schedule that mandates deletion of records" after a certain period of time, said Chris Jay Hoofnagle, West Coast director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center. The center filed a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission yesterday against one data broker, Intelligent e-Commerce Inc. of Encinitas, Calif., saying it misrepresented its right to obtain the information. The firm, which operates the Web site http://www.bestpeoplesearch.com , advertises a variety of personal data for sale, including cell phone records. The company, which says on its Web site that it uses a licensed private investigator to get the information, said through its lawyer that it seeks to comply with all local, state and federal laws. Attorney Larry Slade said he does not know how the company acquires the phone records. Phone companies view all these tactics as illegal, even if they are used to help track down criminal activity. Instead, carriers say, they require court orders before releasing customer records. If someone uses pretexting to gain access to records, "these people are acting criminally, posing as someone they are not," Nelson said. He added that Verizon is preparing legal action against one data provider. The FTC views pretexting as a deceptive practice even without a specific ban on its use for telephone records, Winston said. But he said the agency has never taken such a case to court and does not know how widespread the problem is. He said the FTC must focus its resources on the practices of data thieves that can cause the most damage to large numbers of consumers, such as financial fraud. Many of the vendors of call records are unregulated data brokers, such as Data Find Solutions Inc. of Knoxville, Tenn., which operates Locatecell.com. Company officials did not return calls seeking comment. At the Florida office of private investigator Anderson, a man who answered the phone and identified himself only as Mike said, "I don't really think we're going to reveal our sources" of phone records. "There's a lot of ways of doing it." At Reliatrace Locate Services of Wisconsin, a man who declined to give his name said only that his firm buys the data from another firm. There is active debate within the private investigator community about the propriety of getting phone records. In at least one online discussion group for the industry, some members defended the practice as legitimate while others said it was illegal, according to transcripts provided to The Washington Post. "I do not know of any legal way to obtain a person's telephonic history," Robert Townsend, head of the National Association of Legal Investigators, said in an interview. Townsend added that he thinks only a small minority of licensed investigators engage in the practice of acquiring and selling the data. Copyright 2005 The Washington Post Company NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. ------------------------------ From: Michael Liedtke <newswire> Subject: Google Wins Typosquatting Dispute Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:56:14 -0500 By MICHAEL LIEDTKE, AP Business Writer An Internet arbitrator has awarded Google Inc. the rights to several Web site addresses that relied on typographical errors to exploit the online search engine's popularity so computer viruses and other malicious software could be unleashed on unsuspecting visitors. The National Arbitration Forum, a legal alternate to litigating in court, sided with a Google complaint alleging that Sergey Gridasov of St. Petersburg, Russia, had engaged in "typosquatting" by operating Web sites named googkle.com, ghoogle.com and gooigle.com. After former Stanford University graduate students incorporated the search engine in September 1998, Google registered its domain name a year later. Gridasov registered his Web sites in December 2000 and January 2001, according to Google's complaint. In a decision made earlier this week, arbitrator Paul A. Dorf, endorsed Google's contention that the misspelled addresses were part of a sinister plot to infect computers with programs - known as "malware" - that can lead to recurring system crashes, wipe out valuable data or provide a window into highly sensitive information. Gridasov didn't respond to Google's complaint, filed May 11, meaning the arbitrator could accept all reasonable allegations as true. The Associated Press sent an e-mail Friday to the address that Gridasov listed when he registered his Web sites. The response, which wasn't signed by Gridasov, acknowledged the misspelled names were adopted to attract more visitors, but said there hadn't been any complaints until the sites began posting code from another company, which assured it wouldn't cause any trouble. F-Secure, a Finnish company specializing in identifying malware, identified googkle.com as a troublemaker in an advisory posted April 26 -- nearly three weeks before Mountain View-based Google filed its complaint. Trying to piggyback on the popularity of a heavily trafficked Web site isn't new. For instance, the address Whitehouse.com used to display ads for pornography was a surprise for Web surfers looking for Whitehouse.gov, the president's official online channel. Whitehouse.com now operates as a private Web site that sells access to public records. Google's brand ranks among the most trusted on the Internet and its Web site attracts more than 66 million unique monthly visitors, making it an inviting target for scheming opportunists. On The Net: http://www.google.com Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. See all Associated Press headlines and stories at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/AP.html No login or registration requirements. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 12:43:33 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: Florida Man Charged For Stealing Wi-Fi Wi-Fi cloaks a new breed of intruder http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/04/State/Wi_Fi_cloaks_a_new_br.shtml Florida Man Charged For Stealing Wi-Fi http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/07/1351258 Florida case raises questions about Wi-Fi mooching http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-5778822.html FAQ: Wi-Fi mooching and the law http://news.com.com/2100-7351-5778822.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:22:08 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: Amid Crisis, Phones Jammed, But Text Messages Worked By DIONNE SEARCEY, SARMAD ALI and ALMAR LATOUR Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Like many London residents, when Marianne Dunn heard about the bomb attacks, she immediately tried to call colleagues on their cellphones to see if they were all right. But all the computer trainer got were busy signals. Then Ms. Dunn heard on the radio that authorities advised people to use text messages via cellphones in lieu of calls. "I got the message through using text," she said. A sudden surge of voice traffic following yesterday's attacks overloaded many British cellphone networks for at least three hours. The calling volume was so high that even parts of the landline networks were congested: The network of BT Group PLC, the largest U.K. landline operator, experienced disruption, as did that of Cable & Wireless PLC, another large phone company. Several newer communication tools appeared to hold up better, including text messages sent via cellphone keypads, wireless email and instant messaging sent over computers. And some state-of-the-art, "third-generation" cellphone networks, which are equipped to send and receive video images and music as well as calls, also continued working. Some customers even recorded images of the bomb damage on their cellphone cameras and sent them to media outlets. The communications problems indicate that, at least in Britain, cellphone-system operators may not have learned many lessons from the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the U.S. And landline networks, which previously were thought to be more robust, also face challenges. After the World Trade Center attacks, landline phones generally held up in New York, though there were some congestion problems, while cellphone networks were clogged. http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0,,SB112077406111780071-h53OpBx5tN92js2XzLVusfCU43w_20060708,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:51:27 -0700 From: Kelly Daniels <telco@teleport.com> Reply-To: telco@teleport.com Organization: Telco Planning, Inc. Subject: June Commentary on Cellular Providers Features Hello Bob Wallace, I have come to the same conclusion as you when you opened up the June edition on using Features on your new phone. Cellular providers are selling features but no support is available to encourage usage. From discussion groups (TELECOM Digest and Telephony On-Line) for Industry Leaders and Veterans, many are coming to the same conclusion. Cellular Operators and in particular the marketing groups are selling features without any consideration of ability to implement. At first I though I just needed better training when handed the phone. That is true for some features but not all. After being with AT&T wireless (Cellular One) for over 14 years (and designing many different systems for that network from inception), I was in Australia on Roaming that was quoted to me incorrectly. My second bill, instead of $140.00 was $2,300.00. The trouble, no web-site, store personnel, CSR or technical people could correctly quote which Edge card to take and what the rate would be. I was extremely lucky to have the incorrect rates verified by three sources in writing. After being off-line for one month (when I arrived there), I was told the only way I could get the correct device was to transfer to Cingular. What I was not told and did not even consider is that Cingular put me on a new plan (no-signatures or any pamphlet). I was happy to get a new phone (I like Motorola V551) but the DATA card is simply a firmware change. I found out three months later Cingular does not have any of the AT&T plans nor will it honor any of those plans when converting consumers. One comment though, the Cingular International Roaming Plan certainly is a deterrent to Global Commerce. I was off-line another 2 months while trying to get the rates straightened out. New rule in conversion from AT&T to Cingular -- AT&T let you suspend the account when service would not work, Cingular says tough, you still have to pay so I did for the two months that I had to suspend service because they could not quote the rates and re-rate the errant bill. They would re-rate the bill, they just could not re-rate the bill. Now we get to the features. 1) Cingular Web site could not be updated with my account information or bill review or pay-online for the first four months. I could access the web site only if I am Microsoft IE user. 2) E-mail or Web site support contact not allowed for first six-months "we do not support e-mail correspondence". I did not argue this because I knew they would get a few hundred thousand complaints to cause them to change. 3) International Support assistance Free with AT&T, Not with Cingular. 11 hours of charges for conversations on bill and support while I had turned off service yet had to pay for monthly service. 4) Motorola Phone, USB cable, PhoneTools. Absolutely will not work, is not going to work and no refunds allowed on the cable or the software application. 17 hours of troubleshooting excluding leaving it with the Cingular Staff. The source of the trouble, Cingular Connection Manager Software for my Edge Card AND an integration problem on selecting the USB port instead of the Modem for Windows 98 users. I cannot move my contacts, retrieve my pictures or set my alerts. 5) My personal E-mails on the phone -- Motorola Phone supports it but Cingular discontinued the capability. Cingular advertises it, support is on the web site but it has been discontinued. I am forced to used their e-mail which, amazingly, will not accept Microsoft Messenger. I now have four subscription products for DATA services (MMS, MediaNet, PhoneTools, Edge Card) of which only the edge card works on a dedicated PC (phone integration capable but not allowed). 6) Pictures available for MMS will not send pictures to e-mails recipients. 7) E-mailing pictures was allowed (and still works if you use the service outside the USA) and is allowed but will not work because Cingular E-mail is limited in size. It would work if I used my external e-mail service but I am no longer allowed to. 8) Cingular Web site is required to set-up e-mail and Medianet. Media net requires I use Microsoft Internet Explorer. Since I only use IE for OS upgrades and patches, I decided I could use IE for Cingular. All of the personalization you do on Media net is only for your browser on your PC the changes do not go to the phone set, there is no correlation between Medianet and your phone. I have absolutely no idea what MediaNet is for after registering and browsing. It appears only if I use a PC to make my Cingular account my home page. There is absolutely no interaction with the phone or edge card. 9) Web Browsing, like external e-mail and phonetools is advertised and the Cingular Web site support pages support it but the service has been turned off. You cannot set links to WML enabled web sites. You can only use the Web sites Cingular provided on the pre-loaded application in the phone. What a complete mess. It is true I have plenty of features on the phone, one I really like, is taking pictures but I must use it only when outside the USA because all of the send support features have been removed in the Cingular network. I cannot think of anyone who would want to receive picture of my work on their MMS enabled phone. Like I said it cannot be moved to a PC because MobilePhone tools will not work and external e-mail has been discontinued and internal e-mail restricts size. The phone is simply a phone and appears it will only be a phone. I have not adopted text messaging but in light of the above, I do not expect it to work. Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 07:34:30 From: Editor (PRN) <editor@pressreleasenetwork.com> Subject: F-MMS Forum Defines New Directions And Broadens Its Scope Source: F-MMS Forum Secretariat http://www.pressreleasenetwork.com F-MMS Forum Defines New Directions And Broadens Its Scope Towards Triple Play And IP Services Berne, Switzerland - Jul 8, 2005 (PRN): Addressing the Triple Play challenge, the F-MMS Forum adopted a new direction towards Multi-Media Services in the IP-driven Fixed Line environment during its recent General Assembly, held on the 29 June 2005 in Sophia Antipolis, France. The newly adopted charter of the Forum focuses on one major task, to translate growth opportunities that arise from the Triple Play challenge into breakthrough revenue earning Fixed Line Multi-Media Services and devices. The Forum wishes to provide leadership in service evolution, as an unbiased source of information and as a platform for expertise and exchange of ideas. With shrinking revenues from traditional circuit-switched networks, the Forum foresees that the Global industry is looking towards the merits of IP-technology, pushing Interactive Multi-media Services (IMS) as the hottest terminology. With IP-technology in Fixed Line Access networks, opportunities arise for the development of innovative seamless Triple Play services that converge voice, data and video over fixed and mobile telephony access, broadband access, wireless (Wi-Fi) access and cable systems. "Not only the industry but actually the consumers desire interoperable services and devices when they think of future communications at home and on the move", says Thomas Carnaghi, the chairman of the F-MMS Forum. "It is this desire that makes the development of new communica- tions services and devices complex; any service should work on any device and in any network. IMS is the right network platform for that. On a product level, a common understanding of interworking standards is essential and is a pre-requisite to create a user experience people are willing to pay for." Based on the success the Forum had in the development and promotion of standardization of Multi-media Messaging Services and devices in the circuit-switched networks, the Forum is in an excellent position to steer its members through the challenge of the upcoming IP-access environment, as well. Martin Rolls, who led the 'Broadening Project' within the Forum and represents BT within the Steering Committee, adds: "Triple Play is a key opportunity within the Global future communications business but it will only create satisfying margins to those players who come up with real, seamlessly interoperable, converged services and devices that provide rewarding customer experiences. The Forum addresses this new reality by broadening its scope from messaging to multimedia services and from the focus on circuit-switched to convergent IP and IMS domains." Carnaghi concludes, "The world is complex, no doubt. No company alone can deploy anymore an innovative home communications service or device without securing interworking. As a Forum we want to bring all major industry players around the globe to the table. We strongly believe that we make a difference as we provide our members with guidance in the development of innovative Fixed Line Multi-Media Services based on sound consumer insights and by offering early access to standards related data within a non-discriminating environment. We also provide to our members with tremendous opportunities to discuss and set market requirements that influence standards and, last but not least, we create possibilities to conduct interoperability testing that ensure a reduced time-to-market of profitable services and devices. It is the overall vocation of the Forum, to enable its members to benefit from the opportunities in the Triple Play challenge and to achieve profitable growth with their services and devices. And we are open to all players around the globe." Visual Material Illustrating the triple play pyramid: http://www.fixedlinemms.org/news/releases/2005070701.JPG. About F-MMS Forum The objective of the Fixed Line MMS Forum is to develop & promote Multimedia Services (including voice, video & data) in the fixed network in order to enhance attractiveness by adding new services. This will lead to fixed - mobile convergent applications while ensuring interoperability between fixed, mobile and wireless networks. Since its foundation in 2002, the Forum has achieved major breakthroughs for its members as standards for Fixed Line SMS and Fixed Line MMS over PSTN/ISDN were adopted by Standardisation Bodies, inc ETSI, and commercial deployments of the services and devices in Europe and Overseas began. The Forum's agenda is now focused on the task to research, develop and evaluate market and consumer requirements that serve as a robust basis for services and devices definition and testing. The Forum will co-ordinate and deliver technical recommendations to Standards Bodies, drive standardization and interoperability and reduce time-to-market. 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Subscribers are advised to check the accuracy of all press releases and to obtain their own professional advice in relation to such information. ------------------------------ From: snow <dlessard1@verizon.net> Subject: Verizon VOIP Questions Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 21:43:18 GMT I subscribe to both Verizon local telephone and its DSL service. I was on their website and read about VOIP broadband phone service. I am now considering dropping the regular landline phone and trying out VOIP service. I am interested in opinions about broadband phone. Is it reliable and good sound quality. Also, are the traditional phone taxes applied to a VOIP connection? Even with taxes added in, I figure I save $10 a month and get premium services on top of it like caller ID which I don't have now. If I do switch, I would purchase a wireless phone system, so I can use at least two phones in the house. Any opinions on pros and cons of broadband phone appreciated. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Beware of any DSL offering VOIP service unless you can absolutely disconnect your landline phone service (as it now stands) in lieu of the VOIP service instead. You may get told that you have to subscribe to Verizon local service in order to have DSL, in order to have the VOIP service. Ergo, you may wind up with a phone you do not need or want, in order to have the VOIP line you do want. That same thing happened to me, although my underlying carrier is SBC (Southwestern Bell). In order to dump SBC phone service, I had to dump their DSL as well, to get the company I really wanted (Prairie Stream) and Vonage VOIP. So I wound up with cable internet (CableOne) instead of DSL for that reason. I have two lines in my house, but connected through a PBX, so I can dial 9+ for Prairie Stream or 8+ for Vonage. (or '10X' for any of the extensions in my house.) PAT] ------------------------------ From: Tim@Backhome.org Subject: Re: Google Earth Thrills With Photos, Stunts, But How Practical? Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 15:04:59 -0700 Organization: Cox Communications Monty Solomon wrote: > It's good to have a healthy skepticism about the claims of the > hype-driven technology industry. But there are times when even a > hardened skeptic has to admit to amazement and delight at the sheer > coolness of some of the things you can do on a personal computer > today. And one of those "wow" moments happens the first time you run a > new program called Google Earth. As someone who works with topo and satellite info as part of my work, I find Google Earth to be basically fluff with little substance. (aka, hype). Sat data are expensive and all Google is doing is baiting with some metro area stuff. Most of the country is junk photos. Maybe they will eventually have real coverage for a whole lot of money. Terraserver.com is a lot better and a lot more honest about this stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:13:11 -0400 From: burris <responder@comcast.net> Subject: Re: SunRocket VOIP Comments? jmeissen@aracnet.com wrote: > Back in November of last year there was an announcement posted here > about Sunrocket VOIP http://www.sunrocket.com . I don't recall > seeing anything about them since. > Does anyone have any opinions, good or bad, about their service? > John Meissen jmeissen@aracnet.com I have them for about 5 months now and am very pleased. Sure, they have an occasional crash and perhaps they don't have every feature you would like, but ... $199.00 for the year, including everything ... 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