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TELECOM Digest Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:23:00 EDT Volume 24 : Issue 475 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Lawmakers Urge US to Keep Control of Internet (Andy Sullivan) AOL Fires 700 Employees This Week (Kenneth Li) Long Beach, CA Network Failure (Tim@Backhome.org) MVNO Business and Partnering Strategies (Cellular-News) My First SMS Spam (Tony P.) Re: Google Loses Name gmail in Lawsuit Against Company (Barry Margolin) Re: TV Show - Legacy Phone in Scene (Paul Coxwell) Re: TV Show - Legacy Phone in Scene (Lisa Hancock) Re: Giant Conspiracy or Just Rotten Luck? (Lisa Hancock) Re: The Heights Some People go to Avoid Telcos, Cable (H Cabot Henhouse) On Having Telco as a Housemate (was Question Easement) (John McHarry) Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. =========================== Addresses herein are not to be added to any mailing list, nor to be sold or given away without explicit written consent. Chain letters, viruses, porn, spam, and miscellaneous junk are definitely unwelcome. We must fight spam for the same reason we fight crime: not because we are naive enough to believe that we will ever stamp it out, but because we do not want the kind of world that results when no one stands against crime. Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Sullivan <reuters@telecom-digest.org> Subject: Lawmakers Urge US to Keep Control of Internet Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:47:08 -0500 By Andy Sullivan U.S. lawmakers are urging the Bush administration to resist a push from other countries to shift control of the Internet to the United Nations, arguing that such a move would stifle innovation and free expression. "Is it going to become a vehicle for global taxation of domain names? Are you going to allow folks who have demonstrated a pattern of suppression of content, are they going to be put in charge of running this thing?" said Minnesota Republican Sen. Norm Coleman , sponsor of a Senate resolution that calls for the Internet's core addressing system to remain under U.S. control. Coleman's resolution, along with similar remarks by senior lawmakers in the House of Representatives, should give a boost to U.S. negotiators as they prepare for a United Nations summit in Tunisia next month where the issue will loom large. Though no one country controls the Internet as a whole, the U.S. Commerce Department maintains final authority over the domain-name system that matches easy-to-remember names like "example.com" with the Internet Protocol numbers that are assigned to each computer on the Internet. That system is overseen by a California-based nonprofit group called the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN. If other countries refuse to recognize ICANN's legitimacy, Internet users in different parts of the globe could wind up at different Web sites when they type "www.example.com" into their browsers. GLOBAL RESOURCE Countries like Brazil and Iran have argued in a series of meetings over the past two years that the Internet is now a global resource that should be overseen by the United Nations or some other international body. The European Union withdrew its support of the current system last month. The United States has made clear that it intends to maintain control. In an interview, Coleman said a bureaucratic body like the United Nations' International Telecommunications Union would slow innovation and extend its reach beyond the domain-name system. Countries that censor online content could use the forum to ban free expression elsewhere, he said. "I don't think this is mundane. I really think you're talking about the future of the Internet here," said Coleman, a prominent UN critic who has overseen a Senate investigation into the UN's oil-for-food scandal. Since it was founded in 1998, ICANN has introduced competition into the market for domain names and expanded the number of names available by introducing new suffixes like .info and .biz. as alternatives to standbys like .com and .org. But the nonprofit body has also been plagued by infighting, charges that it does not operate in a transparent manner, and the perception that it is cowed by the U.S. government. ICANN agreed to suspend work on a proposed .xxx domain name for sex sites after the Bush administration objected in August. Despite the nonprofit group's flaws, "I don't think anyone would argue that there is any demonstrated effort to limit access, to control content, to limit growth. If anything ICANN has overseen a tremendous positive expansion," Coleman said. Copyright 2005 Reuters Limited. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, here we go again. I am anxiously awaiting the usual round of hate mail I always recieve on this topic, when I say _anyone but ICANN_ would do a better job of running things than they. Typically, one or two readers will write and claim I am suffering from a delusion; that ICANN has no real authority and it isn't their fault that the Internet has gone to hell so badly in the past few years and would I please quit kicking around Vint Cerf (the net) for his half-assed and blatently prejudiced attitudes in the operation of things around here. Even though large segments of the world, other than USA have decided that ICANN and Mr. Cerf are not the best people to run things (not by a long shot!), still there are a few people who read this newsgroup and wherever else who think his operation is just slendid, couldn't be any better, etc. That is, when they occassionally agree with me that ICANN is where things are at around here. But, people in Britain, France, Germany, the rest of Europe, Canada, South America, China, Australia, here is a surprise for you: Mr. Vint Cerf and his cronies at ICANN do _not_ intend to step down. They have too good of a thing here to share with anyone else. I just wish that some one or more persons with the wherewithal, ability and interest to operate an _honest and legitimate_ system of roots with fairness in mind for _all users_ (with appropriate contracts, etc) would take over and drive those crooks out of business once and for all. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Kenneth Li <reuters@telecom-digest.org> Subject: AOL Fires 700 Employees This Week Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:47:56 -0500 By Kenneth Li Time Warner Inc.'s AOL Internet division this week laid off more than 700 employees, or less than 5 percent of its global work force, amid ongoing efforts to cut costs, the company said on Wednesday. Most of the cuts came from AOL's dial-up service operations, AOL said. AOL, which is currently being courted by Microsoft, Google Inc., Comcast Corp. and Yahoo for a possible investment and joint venture, has shut down its Orlando, Florida, call center, and trimmed jobs in other areas, including the division's corporate headquarters in Dulles, Virginia. "As a result of this structural and strategic transformation, AOL is better positioned to remain flexible, nimble and competitive in the market, enabling us to expand existing audiences and reach new ones online," Nicholas Graham, an AOL spokesman said. Once the object of scorn at corporate parent Time Warner Inc., AOL has emerged as the center of attraction for a party of top Internet companies seeking to cement their market position. Over the past year, the company has sought to exploit the explosive growth of online advertising by making more of its programming and services freely available on the Internet. It won high marks for its online broadcast of the Live 8 concerts for aid to Africa, whose viewership handily beat cable and network television broadcasts of the event. The company hopes to counter a blistering loss of its traditional dial-up modem subscribers. At the end of the second quarter the company had 20.8 million U.S. subscribers after losing 2.6 million since the beginning of the year and more than 6 million over the last three years. It declined to specify the cost savings that would be achieved with the recent round of cuts, or the impact from severance. AOL contributed about 20 percent of the company's 2004 revenue and profits excluding items. One source familiar with the actions said the charges would be booked during Time Warner's fiscal fourth quarter. Copyright 2005 Reuters Limited. NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. ------------------------------ From: Tim@Backhome.org Subject: Long Beach, CA Network Failure Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:14:01 -0700 Organization: Cox Communications The Los Angeles Times reported this morning (10-19) that a downtown Verizon central office switch experienced a major failure yesterday. This had a domino effect that knocked out cellular service in the area and also expanded to knock out some 150,000 Verizon wireline customers in the area. This lasted for several hours. City officials drove to the nearest radio station to advise them of the problem (no wireline, no cell service). I wonder if this cut off all the wireless providers in the area? Somehow, I suspect it did since they are so interdependant to keep network costs down. This is the heart of former GTE-land. The article claimed a disk drive crashed and the backup wouldn't/couldn't/didn't take over. The typical hype was that additional police were posted to handle any potential problems. The heart of Long Beach is a major discontented ghetto. ------------------------------ Subject: MVNO Business and Partnering Strategies Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:56:10 -0500 From: Cellular-News <dailydigest@cellular-news-mail.com> MVNO Business & Partnering Strategies Congress For Network Operators & Mobile Virtual Network Operators 28th November -- 1st December 2005 Noga Hilton Hotel, Cannes, France http://www.iir-conferences.com/mvno IIR's MVNO Business & Partnering Strategies Congress will examine the impact of MVNOs on the mobile market and identify the opportunities and threats that they present for fixed and mobile network operators, both today and in the future. How can network operators leverage their partnerships with MVNOs to optimise their network resources, customer reach and revenues? 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This workshop will provide an open forum for network operator and MVNO delegates to discuss the challenges of and solutions to developing the optimal partnership. Hear how to develop the best contract for both parties and how to build a profitable service portfolio that maximises market reach and customer acquisition. You will also see how to overcome the financial challenges of partnering before looking at the opportunities that are presented by future technologies for both network operators and MVNOs. If you have any questions regarding the programme or would like to contribute to the event, do give me a call on + 44 (0) 20 7915 5644, or take a look at the website at: www.iir-conferences.com/mvno To reserve your place at the conference and claim your 25% discount if you are an MVNO: call our Customer Service team now on + 44 (0) 20 7915 5055 or email us at registration@iir-conferences.com or book online at http://www.iir-conferences.com I look forward to meeting you in Cannes! Georgina Hajdu Senior Conference Producer, IIR Ltd, ghajdu@iir-conferences.com PS BOOK NOW to learn how to develop effective partnerships with MVNOs and maximise your revenues! PPS Don't forget to claim your 25% discount if you work for an MVNO! ------------------------------ From: Tony P. <kd1s.nospam@nospam.cox.nosapm.net> Subject: My First SMS Spam Organization: Ace Tomato and Cement Co. Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:59:15 -0400 I got an SMS message on my cell stating I'd won a trip to the Bahama's. Needless to say this got my nasty, nefarious side active. Contacted a friend at the AG's office and had him open up a call-out port on their G3i. I then used the Centrex connection to patch in and dialed the 800 number from the AG's switch. When the woman answered the call I told her I didn't appreciate spam on my cell phone when it was on my dime. She asks if I'd like to be added to the do-not-call list and reads back my number and then pauses. She asks if I'm calling from the AG's office to which I reply that I was. Click. Too much fun playing with telemarketing and spamming sleaze. ------------------------------ From: Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: Google Loses Name 'gmail' in Lawsuit Against Company Organization: Symantec Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:20:13 -0400 In article <telecom24.474.1@telecom-digest.org>, Reuters News Wire <reuters@telecom-digest.org> wrote: > Google has already changed the name of its email service from Gmail to > Googlemail in Germany, but said it does not plan to change the name in > any other countries. I'm surprised that Google is so wedded to the Gmail name. Most of their other products and services seem to be called Google something: Google Earth, Goole Maps, Google Desktop, Google Groups, for instance. One of their most valuable assets is the Google brand, so it seems strange that they don't want to use it for this service. Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me *** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:34:51 +0100 From: Paul Coxwell <paulcoxwell@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: TV Show - Legacy Phone in Scene >> For many years, on TV the ringer sound for a telephone often did not >> match the telephone set shown. In earlier years a 300 set or >> separate bell box ringer would be used for a 500 set. In later >> years, a modern phone with an electronic ringer would still sound >> like a mechanical bell and vice versa. > How about the often incorrect ringback tones from the C.O.? Or, the > immediate return to dial tone when the other party suddenly hung up? > (called or calling party, it didn't matter ;-) > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Or how many times have you seen shows > where a cellular phone was involved and the person using the cell > phone heard 'dial tone' when he took the phone 'off hook' to dial a > number. We know there is no such thing as 'dial tone' on a cell > phone. PAT] Add the speeded up ringing cadence often used. The immediate dialtone on hangup is common on British shows as well, along with continued use of our old-style dialtone long after it was gone from the PSTN. Another common mistake here is the "pip pip" mimicking the answer supervision of one of our old trunk signaling systems long after the last such trunk systems went out of service. -Paul. ------------------------------ From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com Subject: Re: TV Show - Legacy Phone in Scene Date: 19 Oct 2005 13:44:01 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Joseph wrote: > TV isn't very good about matching phones with their real sounds. How > many shows have you seen where someone uses a pay phone and when they > insert the money it goes "ding-ding?" Ding-ding went out with the > demise of the three slot payphone (around the middle of the 60s.) I think 3-slots were around well into the 1970s, though single slots came out in the late 1960s. Single slots were first installed in more vulnerable locations, such as outdoor payphones or in public places. Payphones in say office building lobbies or semi-public phones in gas stations and luncheonettes got converted later. But you're right -- they kept the coin-drop chimes long after the demise of that style of phone. In the city, payphones for prepay, even if dial-tone first. (I don't remember if 3-slots could have dial-tone first). On TV, it seemed every pay phone was also pre-pay. However, in rural locations, payphones were postpay. That is, you got a dial tone and dialed the number. If the line was busy or no answer you just hung up. But if answered you had to put in the dime to let your transmitter work. On such phones there was no "hold area" for coins and associated relay control, coins went directly into the box. That meant the phone had a much simpler construction as did the CO equipment, making it cheaper. People have previously stated there were ways to beat the system with that kind of payphone, but I presume the phoneco figured the cost savings were worth the risk, and maybe rural people were more honest and less scheming than city people. > I'm guessing that most people casually wouldn't have a clue that the > ringing of a phone's sound was wrong. Most people wouldn't know, just as non-computer people wouldn't notice the obvious fakery with most computer schemes shown on TV or movies. In the film "Airplane!", the satire of disaster movies, they purposely used the buzz of a propeller plane as the background sound for the jet, among other sight and sound gags. BTW, the film was not original, it was actually a remake of a 1950s Canadian film. The original film was intended to be totally serious and they used almost all of its dialogue and plot. They just hammed it up and added some gag lines here and there. The original movie was already so overwrought it became funny pretty easily. (The original was shown on TCM who provided this explanation, the original never made it to video). I saw an old TV show with Leslie Nielsen playing a cop. He did all the same earnest commanding lines as in "Police Squad" and "Airplane", only this time he was serious. But I couldn't take him seriously, I was laughing. Some actors become typecast in that mode that they have trouble doing other work. For instance, Don Adams (Maxwell Smart, a great phone user) always was seen as that character. On the Mary Tyler Moore show, the actor who played cartoonish newsman Ted Baxter likewise had trouble being taken seriously in other roles -- people thought he was still Ted Baxter. Other actors make the switch ok. Jennie Garth was one of the 90210 spoiled rich kids and not a very likeable one. She's now doing a WB sitcom playing a very different character. (The new show uses an old fashioned cash register, FWIW). ------------------------------ From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com Subject: Re: Giant Conspiracy or Just Rotten Luck? Date: 19 Oct 2005 13:19:04 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com William Warren wrote: > I suggest you take these steps, and ignore any demand that you deal > with only one person and/or agency: [snipped] I know it's a lot of work, but Mr. Warren's advice is excellent. Another poster wrote: > I wonder if there's a forgotten bridge tap off your pair somewhere. Many years ago this happened to us, except it was our calls being billed to someone else. (We reported it to cover our butts). A few months later they discovered the error. The billed party, a business customer, had been screaming about the calls, but the phone co at first refused to do anything since they claimed it could've been any employee. Finally they did a physical check in the CO and found the wiring error. In thinking about it, I wonder if the business customer got billed for our message units as well. We had message rate service though we were pretty careful to stay within the monthly allotment. (Flash forward to today -- we went to flat rate service, then Metropolitan Area flat rate, and now have national unlimited.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:42:14 -0700 From: Henry Cabot Henhouse III <sooper_chicken@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: The Heights Some People go to Avoid Telcos and Cable Some time ago, during the height of the dot com silliness, a company (trying to raise money) proposed flying planes 24/7 over major cities which would "bounce" an internet signal to moving rooftop dishes. I forget the name, I'm sure they're long since forgotten ... they did have a web site with complete plans and animations. Heh, it looked like something that would have come from the mind of Hugo Gernsback :) Danny Burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote in message news:telecom24.474.6@telecom-digest.org: >" A blisteringly fast data downlink provided by a stratospheric > balloon floating 24,000 metres above the Earth has been tested for the > first time. > " The untethered, 12,000-cubic-metre helium balloon was tested on 31 > August for several hours. Analysis now shows the test was a success > and sent data to the ground at 1.25 gigabits per second. That is > thousands of times the capacity of a home broadband internet > connection and the first time such a link has been tested from the > stratosphere..... > [ snip ] > http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8177 > ( and... a url in the article gets you to some video: > http://www.capanina.org/documents/CAPANINA_testing_tracking_system.mpg > _____________________________________________________ > Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key > dannyb@panix.com > [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ From: John McHarry <jmcharry@comcast.net> Subject: On Having Telco as a Housemate (was Question Easement) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:04:06 GMT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: As I suspected would happen, one of our readers did some homework and came up with this article which first appeared here in February, 1989 and was later repeated in November, 1991. PAT] > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Does anyone remember the story in the > Digest several years ago where an answering service switchboard had > been located for several years in a private home -- If I could find > the story somewhere I would re-run it here. PAT] Google is Your Friend: TELECOM Moderator Nov 12 1991, 8:30 am Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom From: tele...@eecs.nwu.edu (TELECOM Moderator) Date: 12 Nov 91 06:45:34 GMT Local: Tues, Nov 12 1991 2:45 am Subject: On Having Telco as a Housemate (was Question Easement) Here is the story I promised earlier which originally appeared in TELECOM Digest on Sunday, February 26, 1989 along with a few replies which appeared in the week following. PAT ------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 89 1:04:38 CST From: TELECOM Moderator <tele...@eecs.nwu.edu> Subject: On Having Telco As a 'Housemate' I will sub-title this report 'The Case of the Box Which Won't Be Removed'. The location is Lockport, Illinois; a suburban community thirty miles or so southwest of Chicago. It is served by Illinois Bell; or should I say the lady I will tell you about serves IBT. One way or the other -- anyway -- Wanting to get out of the city, the lady bought a house in Lockport. It is an older place, but very well maintained over the years. One room would make a great den, but there was one problem that had to be taken care of first. In one corner of the room sat a box, about five feet high and four feet square. There were about 500 wires running in and out of it, all eventually finding their way through a hole in the wall. On the outside of the house at that point, the wires ran a short distance, then went down into the ground in a metal conduit like thing. Curious about it, she asked the realtor what it might be for, and was told that a former occupant of the house had operated an answering service there. The room she was planning for her den had been the switchboard area for the answering service years before. The lady called up Illinois Bell to see about having it removed. IBT agreed to do so for the mere sum of $2,400. *And they agreed the box was dead*. The lady protested; saying that $2,400 seemed a lot of money to yank out the old box, especially since nothing was going in its place provided by the phone company. After asking around, she found an independent workman willing to remove the box for $300, and was about to tell him to go ahead with the work when two people from Bell stopped by to see her, to warn that if any lines were broken or damaged, she would have to pay $70 for the repair of each. She said she thought $70 was rather outrageous for the repair of useless, dead lines, but the guys from Bell said in fact the lines were alive. They did agree to reduce their price and remove the box for 'only $1800', and completely indemnify her against damages or disruption of service which might occur in the process. Her independent workman took another look and confirmed what Bell had said: The box was in fact alive, and nearly 500 working pairs were terminated inside. Together they went back to Bell, and got the price for removal of the box negotiated down to only $1200. The lady said she had no intention of paying *anything* to take it out. And really, can you blame her? Finally with no place else to turn, she went to see the house's former owner; the fellow who had run the answering service. He said he thought Illinois Bell had been granted an easement to have the box there. And now the matter becomes even more mysterious. The lady went to the village hall and spoke to Lockport officials herself; and yes, they said, Illinois Bell *does* have an easement to that room in your house. They were unable, however, to show her a signed document from the previous owner giving easement rights to Bell. Tbe former owner insists he never signed anything; he claims they put the box in when he started the answering service back in the middle 1950's; and he claims he can't remember ever giving Bell permanent squatting rights there. After continued negotiations, IBT still insists it needs $1200 to remove its equipment and give up its easement rights. In the meantime, the lady won't budge, and she is living there with a Pandora's Box filled with legal ramifications for a 'roomate'. The search goes on for an official record of the easement with someone's signature on it. I suspect if and when it is found it will be the signature of the former owner. The contractor hired by the woman has identified a dozen businesses and several dozen residences in the vicinity which show up on terminals in the box. I think eventually if an easement record cannot be located, IBT will have to bite the dust and relocate the whole thing at thier expense. The woman has said if the easement *is* found, and it contains the signature of the former owner, she will sue him if necessary to make him pay for the removal. In the meantime if something goes wrong and Bell has to visit the box? Well, let's hope the woman isn't asleep, in the bathroom or otherwise 'indisposed' when her 'roomates' visitors show up! Patrick Townson Subject: Re: Telco As a 'Housemate' Date: Mon, 27 Feb 89 12:40:48 -0500 From: Joel B Levin <l...@bbn.com> If I were that lady, and IBT came to the door because they needed access to work on one of the lines that came to that box, I would give it to them -- as soon as they showed me the document granting telco the easement. Not before. Another tack-- Is there some way a noisy electrical device (an old refrigerator or something) next to the box might cause noticeable noise on the lines? That also might provide some impetus for them to move the box (or really make it dead). After all, they can't tell her what she can or can't have in some corner of her den. /JBL From: Mark Brukhartz <laidbak!...@buita.bu.edu> Subject: Re: On Having Telco As a 'Housemate' Date: 1 Mar 89 19:16:45 GMT Organization: Lachman Associates, Inc., Naperville, IL This woman ought to consult a real estate attorney without delay. I believe that her seller was responsible for conveying a clear title to the property, including a written description of any easements. He (or his title insurance company) are probably responsible for Illinois Bell's claim of easement. I understand that uncontested use of a property will mature into permanent rights after some (forgotten) interval. Mark Brukhartz Lachman Associates, Inc. ..!{amdahl, masscomp, nucsrl, sun}!laidbak!mdb From: John Allred <ames!mailrus!BBN.COM!jall...@uunet.uu.net> Subject: Re: On Having Telco As a 'Housemate' Date: 2 Mar 89 16:40:10 GMT Reply-To: John Allred <ames!mailrus!vax.bbn.com!jall...@uunet.uu.net> Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA In article <telecom-v09i0077...@vector.UUCP> laidbak!...@buita.bu.edu (Mark Brukhartz) writes: > This woman ought to consult a real estate attorney without delay. I > believe that her seller was responsible for conveying a clear title to > the property, including a written description of any easements. He (or > his title insurance company) are probably responsible for Illinois > Bell's claim of easement. > I understand that uncontested use of a property will mature into > permanent rights after some (forgotten) interval. I think the interval is 20 years for "adverse use" of property. Your mileage may vary. John Allred BBN Systems and Technologies Corp. (jall...@bbn.com) From: Darren Griffiths <d...@ux1.lbl.gov> Subject: Re: On Having Telco As a 'Housemate' Date: 4 Mar 89 01:13:09 GMT Reply-To: Darren Griffiths <d...@lbl.gov> Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley It seems like it should be pretty easy to get the box removed. Simply have the lady go down to Radio Shack and buy a line kit that can be connected straight to the punch down block that's probably in the box. Whenever she has some spare time try a few of the lines, see who's talking and interrupt them. If they aren't to angry at someone listening to their phone calls then she could explain the situation and have them call IBT. If they are angry I'm sure they'll call IBT anyway. Darren Griffiths D...@LBL.GOV Lawrence Berkeley Labs Information and Computing Sciences Division ----------- And there you have it ... the story which appeared here over two years ago. I had forgotten one detail: The box was not in her bedroom, but actually in the room she wanted to use as a den. PAT Lars Poulsen Nov 16 1991, 6:34 am show options Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom From: l...@cmc.com (Lars Poulsen) - Find messages by this author Date: 15 Nov 91 18:58:35 GMT Local: Fri, Nov 15 1991 2:58 pm Subject: Re: On Having Telco as a Housemate (was Question Easement) Reply to Author PAT, Don't leave us hanging like that: Did that lady ever get the box removed? Lars Poulsen, SMTS Software Engineer CMC Rockwell l...@CMC.COM [Moderator's Note: I don't know. I never followed up on it. If someone wants to do so, I'll be glad to run a followup story. PAT] [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And that is where things stand, seventeen years after the article first appeared here. In my recollection of this yesterday, I recalled it as being Joliet; Joliet and Lockport are next door to each other, 'sister-cities' so to speak. Pardon me if my memory is a bit hazy after all these years, even if I was the person to write it first here in 1989. If anyone wants to follow up on this, it _would_ make an interesting report. By now, I imagine the house has long been sold, maybe even a couple of times since the lady lived there who first brought it to our attention. Since I am no longer around the area at all, there is no way I can investigate it further. My offer of a followup story still stands. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly to telecomm- unications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, Yahoo Groups, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. 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