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TELECOM Digest Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:32:00 EDT Volume 24 : Issue 486 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Remote Call Forwarding Question (Nhfloral@aol.com) Obituary: Dr. Boyd L. Nelson Died Sunday (Marcus Didius Falco) Call Fowarding WZW -> Vonage Question (kevincw01) Avaya Reports 4th Quarter and Fiscal 2005 Results (Monty Solomon) Ubiquitel Reports 3rd Quarter Results (Monty Solomon) Motorola Shows Carriers More Ways to Deliver IPTV at Telecom 2005 (Solomon) Re: Wilma Causing Network Wide Outages With Verio-Host (John McHarry) Re: Long Beach, CA Network Failure (kevincw01) Re: Caller ID TIME For Setting Time on Regular Pots Analog Phones (Lichter) Re: The First Mayoral Long-Distance Call (Anthony Bellanga) Vintage "Pen Register"? (ana) Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. =========================== Addresses herein are not to be added to any mailing list, nor to be sold or given away without explicit written consent. Chain letters, viruses, porn, spam, and miscellaneous junk are definitely unwelcome. We must fight spam for the same reason we fight crime: not because we are naive enough to believe that we will ever stamp it out, but because we do not want the kind of world that results when no one stands against crime. Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nhfloral@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:11:02 EDT Subject: Remote Call Forwarding Question Patrick, I stumbled upon your Telecom Digest while doing a search on Google; I hope you might be able to provide help. You have my permission to post this in your Digest. Please call me with questions! My contact info is at the end of this email. When did it become legal for telephone companies to solicit listings which are deceptive? A company in New Jersey that has a "local listing" in a Concord NH telephone book calling themselves "Concord Florist"? A locksmith or a towing company that lists in one phone book, but is actually nowhere near that location? Bell Atlantic/Verizon is knowingly and intentionally facilitating and disseminating deceptive business telephone listings. This creates unfair trade practices for legitimate businesses. This practice is in violation of state and federal consumer protection laws, and also violates state and federal regulatory tariffs. The ruse employs 'remote call forwarding' which Verizon pro motes by saying 'Remote Call Forwarding' allows you to establish a "local" presence in almost any location, just by having a local phone number, even if you don't have a physical office in that area. The following contains Verizon's Directory Listing Standards (policies and procedures) applicable to white page business directory listings. Listings for Remote Call Forwarded (RCF) telephone service may include whatever address the business customer wants to list, whether it is local or not. If the customer selects the OMIT ADDRESS option, encourage the appearance of at least the local community in the listing. Call Joe's Towing Company at a local phone number in your local phone book but he's really 75 miles away. Call a plumber, locksmith, florist; they all have a local appearance but are actually many miles away. Verizon allows customers who buy this service to assume hundreds of fictitious geographically local business names. One business in New Jersey who uses this service has local appearing listings in nearly every major city in the country, and lists a fictitious name: 'Concord Florist' 'Manchester Florist', 'Rochester Florist'. All calls are routed back to one central number, unbeknownst to the consumer. By selling this service of RCF, allowing it to be used in an unlawful manner, and publishing the listings in Verizon Directories, the following situations have occurred: Consumers are being deceived as to the origination of the goods or services associated with the businesses using RCF. Legitimate, local businesses stand to lose business due to this unfair trade practice caused by RCF. Verizon is unjustly profiting from the service charges and extra listing fees associated with RCF. Verizon is facilitating and disseminating the deception by selling their RCF listings to other publishing services. State and Federal laws prohibit misleading consumers as to the origin or source of goods or services. The FTC determines "deception" by looking at the intent of the information being presented. What is the intent behind "Remote Call Forwarding"?? To make people think they are calling a location that is really located somewhere else! If it was just to save the consumer a toll call, why not use an 800 number? In an a separate email, I have attached a couple documents with our Verizon Tariffs, and State laws. Valerie Dawes, President New Hampshire State Florists' Association 24 Albin Ave. Allenstown, NH 03275 603-738-5691 (cell; leave message) 603-485-9833 (home - evening calls welcomed!) [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I'll bet when the order taker answers the phone for 'Concord Florist' or 'Manchester Florist' they answer the phone with the more generic phrase 'Florist'; the same way that secretaries for a group of lawyers or doctors tend to be generic in their answers many times. After all, unless the answering party is tipped off by caller ID or the ringing cadence on a line (or in fact a separate line for each incoming 'business' they have no way of knowing _which_ florist (doctor, lawyer, other person) is being called. I do not think it is against the law to use remote call forwarding (with an entry in the phone book for same); whether a given 'assumed name' for your business is deceptive or not depends on how you use it and in many communities one has to file legal papers to be allowed to use certain names; anyone can examine these papers and object to the inappropriate use of a name on the grounds it may be misleading. The choice of a name for a business is a decision one makes (assuming one intends to follow the law) based on laws pertaining to 'assumed names'. Does the term 'Manchester' or 'Concord' (for example) _absolutely_ refer to the towns by those names in New Hampshire, or are those generic phrases anyone can use to call their business (assuming the owner has the appropriate business licenses, etc?) What if a person has two places of business, both essentially the same, and they use _regular_ call forwarding (star seven two and all that) to forward one of their phones to the other location? Is that deceptive? Suppose the same person has a 'foreign exchange' line from one community which terminates in another town? Is that -- in and of itself -- deceptive? Or to use your example 'why not have an 800 number?' suppose my business has an 800 number, ostensibly to save on toll charges for my customers, but in fact most or all of my customers are local people and would not incur any long distance charges by calling me anyway? For _honest_ business people, there are several modes of handling telephone calls which might incur toll charges: 800 numbers is one such way, FX (foreign exchange) lines are another way; Call Forwarding (reglar or remote) is a third way. 800 numbers are not necessarily the least expensive, depending on your volume of calls and your specific usage patterns. On the other hand, deceptive business people may wish to use these various modes on the phone for less than honorable reasons. There are business places which place much importance on being listed in a certain place in the telephone book; apparently they feel their customers are idiots and cannot search alphabetically for them, so they feel it is important to be in first place in the phone book under the business name "A" or "AAA" or possibly, like one firm in Chicago, in last place as "ZZYXZY", often times with no addressses given. Most of the time, to get a listing as "A' or "ZZYXZY" telco will insist on seeing legal papers which give you the right to use those names in your business. But telco is not usually in a position to divine your motives for choosing one mode or another in the way you receive calls from your customers. If you subscribe to telephone service and insist 'so many of my customers live in Concord and I want a convenient way for them to reach me by dialing just seven digits instead of having to dial eleven digits', telco is rarely going to question that motive. I guess telco's assumption is if your business practices are deceptive there are other government agencies which will catch up with you sooner or later. And because telco is a common carrier they really cannot get too inquisitive, if you get my point. And how do you know -- if you know -- that a call to 'Concord Florist' (to use but an example) which gets picked up by an order taker '75 miles away' does not get wire-transferred to a a truly local florist for handling? Or that 'Concord Florist' is nothing more than an agency for one or more local florists truly in the community, sending wire transfers around all the time on some sort of commission arrangement? And since we are talking about it, what is _your personal opinion_ of the service 1-800-FLOWERS (otherwise known as http://flowers.com ) They work with florists all over the country; either you have a legit- imate business or you do not. If you can demonstrate where actual fraud or deception has occurred as a result of this, it would be interesting to hear actual examples. But as stated above, I do not feel that merely a desire 'to have a presence in a community' is in itself a sign of fraud. For instance, I personally would love to have 'branch offices' of TELECOM Digest in all sorts of places. As it turns out, although I have phone numbers in Chicago, in London, England, and Winfield, KS, my _only actual office_ is in Independence, KS; all the other locations named above funnel in to me using RCF through Vonage. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:06:26 -0400 From: Marcus Didius Falco <falco_marcus_didius@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Obituary: Dr. Boyd L. Nelson Died Sunday Dr. Boyd L. Nelson died Sunday. He had been chief of the Economic Studies Division of the Common Carrier Bureau of the FCC from mid-1960s through the late 1970s. He then held other positions at the FCC before his retirement in 1982. At the FCC his most notable achievements were the writing of the Recommended Decision of the Chief of the Common Carrier Bureau in Docket 18128, the Private Line Rate Cases, that adopted Fully Distributed Cost as the costing method of choice. He also mechanized the production of the Statistics of Communications Common Carriers, and recruited a very strong staff in Economics and Statistics, many of whom are still at the FCC. Direct replies are unlikely to be read. To reply use the address below: falco(underscore)md(atsign)yahoo(dot)co(dot)uk ------------------------------ From: kevincw01 <kevincw01@gmail.com> Subject: Call Fowarding VZW -> Vonage Question Date: 25 Oct 2005 17:44:16 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Scenario: I forward my Verizon wireless cell phone to my Vonage number. I do this by dialing *72 myVonageNumber which I assume tells some VZW switch to forward (my point is that the cell phone is not doing the forwarding). I then get a call from another Vonage customer to my cell phone, which is forwarded to my Vonage phone. Question: Is this considered a Vonage to Vonage call from the Vonage switch (and billing) point of view? Thanks. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: No it is not Vonage <> Vonage. The other person's _intention_ was to call your VZW line. The call had to get off Vonage and go to Verizon, then Verizon in turn has to forward it on. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:29:52 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: Avaya Reports Fourth Fiscal Quarter and Fiscal Year 2005 Results Avaya Reports Fourth Fiscal Quarter and Fiscal Year 2005 Results - Oct 25, 2005 04:05 PM (PR Newswire) - U.S. Revenues Increase 7.1 Percent Sequentially - Sales of Products Grew 11.5 Percent Sequentially - Operating Cash Flow in Quarter Was $148 Million BASKING RIDGE, N.J., Oct. 25 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Avaya Inc., (NYSE:AV) a leading global provider of business communications applications, systems and services, today reported income from continuing operations of $660 million or $1.36 per diluted share in the fourth fiscal quarter of 2005. These results reflect a net favorable impact on earnings of $565 million, which includes a net income tax benefit of $590 million related to the reversal of a portion of a valuation allowance for deferred tax assets, a $22 million restructuring charge for headcount reductions and lease terminations, and $3 million of in-process research and development costs related to the company's acquisition of Nimcat Networks. Excluding these items, the company would have had income from continuing operations of $95 million and earnings per diluted share of 20 cents in the fourth fiscal quarter. (See table for details.) In the same quarter last year the company reported income from continuing operations of $100 million or 21 cents per diluted share. Those results reflected a reversal of reserves for sales returns and allowances which had a $12 million favorable impact on operating income. Excluding that item, earnings per diluted share in the year ago quarter would have been 19 cents. (See table for details.) Avaya's fourth fiscal quarter 2005 revenues increased to $1.296 billion, due to acquisitions, compared to revenue of $1.076 billion in the fourth fiscal quarter of 2004. The company noted that fourth fiscal quarter 2004 revenues also included $14 million related to the reversal of reserves discussed above. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=52593215 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:30:20 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: UbiquiTel Reports Third Quarter 2005 Results UbiquiTel Reports Third Quarter 2005 Results - Oct 25, 2005 04:00 PM (PR Newswire) CONSHOHOCKEN, Pa., Oct. 25 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- UbiquiTel Inc. (Nasdaq: UPCS), a PCS Affiliate of Sprint Nextel Corporation (NYSE:S), today reported financial and operating results for the quarter ended September 30, 2005. Highlights for the 3rd Quarter 2005: -- Net income for the third quarter 2005 was $6.2 million, or $0.06 per diluted share, compared to $1.5 million, or $0.02 per diluted share, in the third quarter 2004. In the third quarter 2005, the company incurred $1.7 million of expense associated with litigation against Sprint Nextel and $0.8 million for restructuring charges relating to its sales organization. Excluding these charges, net income was $8.7 million, or $0.09 per diluted share. -- Adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter 2005 grew 29% to approximately $29.9 million from the same period a year ago. Excluding the above charges, Adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter 2005 grew 40% to approximately $32.4 million from the same period a year ago. -- Service revenues in the third quarter 2005 grew 11% to approximately $105.0 million from the same period a year ago. -- Net subscriber additions for the quarter were approximately 10,700, bringing total subscribers, excluding resellers, to approximately 434,300. Churn was 2.6% in the third quarter 2005 compared to 2.9% in the third quarter 2004. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=52592729 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:31:32 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: Motorola Shows Carriers More Ways to Deliver IPTV at TELECOM 2005 Motorola Shows Carriers More Ways to Deliver IPTV at TELECOM 2005 - Oct 25, 2005 03:11 PM (PR Newswire) New technologies promote cost-effective broadband access for delivering triple-play services; customer wins fuel broadband growth LAS VEGAS, Oct. 25 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Motorola, Inc. (NYSE:MOT) is demonstrating its continued leadership in next-generation fiber access solutions at TELECOM '05 with several new technologies that are expected to accelerate the deployment of IPTV-based entertainment services. The offerings -- including Internet protocol television (IPTV) over GPON and BPON, high- density optical networks terminals, and high-definition television (HDTV) and multi-stream IP residential gateways -- extend the ways carriers can cost effectively bring digital video entertainment, high-speed Internet and telephony services to subscribers. According to Multimedia Research Group (MRG), the worldwide IPTV market is poised for explosive growth over the next five years, growing at a compound annual growth rate of 78 percent, from 3.7 million subscribers this year, to 36.9 million in 2009(1). Motorola is capitalizing on this trend with its recently announced next-generation AXS2200 optical access portfolio and proven Multi-Service Access Platform, which introduce operators of all sizes to flexible delivery options for broadband services such as high definition television, digital video recording, video-on-demand, and robust interactive gaming applications. When used in tandem with the Motorola AXS2200, the ONT6000 MDU/MTU Optical Network Terminal is a low cost, ITU compliant Optical Network Terminal that acts as the service delivery point to turn "buildings passed" by fiber into living units served by triple-play services over a single fiber passive optical network (PON). The ONT6000 delivers a full range of residential and business services, such as broadband data, HDTV, video on demand and games online-to multiple dwelling unit (MDU) complexes and office buildings (multiple tenant units (MTUs)). - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=52590901 ------------------------------ From: John McHarry <jmcharry@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Wilma Causing Network-Wide Outages With Verio-Hosts Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:03:18 GMT On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:52:53 -0700, Robert Weller wrote: > We are a west-coast (San Francisco) firm. Our website, which is > hosted by Verio, has been down since at least this morning. The > problem appears to be a "proactive shutdown" by Verio's data center in > Boca Raton, Florida. Since Verio provides hosting services for > millions of customers, I expect that this action in Boca Raton is > having internet-wide implications and affecting many, many businesses. I gather it is back up, but I snipped that portion. I don't know if Verio offers the option, but important web sites are usually dual homed, at least. More than dual is usually due to capacity and traffic. If you use two sites geographically far apart, you vastly increase the possibility that at least one will be up. When they started building SS7 networks based on STPs, there was a rule of thumb to place each pair of the quad far enough apart to drive a hurricane or other natural disaster between them. I don't know what is done now. Which reminds me, does anyone know why the US built a network of STPs and Europe went with switch to switch F links? A Brit at BT once said it was due to a lack of processing power in the 1AESS, but he was, of course, on the F link side. ------------------------------ From: kevincw01 <kevincw01@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Long Beach, CA Network Failure Date: 25 Oct 2005 17:54:22 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com I was at work in Long Beach that day and for some reason, in addition to what he stated above, my Verizon wireless cell worked fine but the company provided Sprint PCS cell phones did not work in the area. ------------------------------ From: Steven Lichter <shlichter@diespammers.com> Reply-To: Die@spammers.com Organization: I Kill Spammers, Inc. (c) 2005 A Rot in Hell Co. Subject: Re: Caller ID TIME For Setting Time on Regular Pots Analog Phones Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 01:08:06 GMT pmettes@gmail.com wrote: > Where does the time come from that analog handsets use to set their > clock? My company's time is off by 2 min and I can verify that its > getting the time from somewhere but where? > I can prove it is getting the time from somewhere by setting it 1 hour > off and calling it with my cell phone, and watching it get set again, > problem is, its off by 2 min. > - Thanks > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The time comes from a clock in the > central office serving the phone. That two minutes difference most > likely is an accumulation of a few seconds here and there over the > several months since daylight time went into effect. Our time of day > here comes from the Southwestern Bell central office in Independence > which tends to 'drift' a little bit regularly. When Standard Time > returns in the next week or so, the clock setting will get set to > almost perfect. I say 'almost' because your caller ID device is not > intended as any sort of time standard. PAT] You're right it does come from the switches master clock, but if it is off, then they are not running their updates each night to the NBS or like clock. The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) 2005 I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot in Hell Co. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:35:37 -0600 From: Anthony Bellanga <anthonybellanga@notchur.biz> Subject: Re: The First Mayoral Long-Distance Call PAT: Please, DO NOT DISPLAY my email address... neither in the "From" line nor in the "Reply-to" line. Mark Roberts (markrobt@myrealbox.com) wrote: > "Mayor to Get 1st Dial Phone Call From N.J.", in the Oakland > (Calif.) Tribune, November 9, 1951. > [Alameda is the island community adjacent to Oakland on the south.] > ALAMEDA, Nov. 9 -- Leslie Denning and Frank Osborn -- who don't know > each other -- will make history together tomorrow. > They will inaugurate the first transcontinental direct dialing system. > Denning, the mayor of Englewood, N.J., a small city on the Palisades > facing Manhattan, will twirl his telephone dial 10 times and, in a > matter of seconds, be connected with Alameda's Mayor in his City Hall > office. > Englewood was chosen by Bell Telephone Company technicians as the > "guinea pig" site for establishing the ultra-complex mechanisms that > will enable the area's 10,000 residents to dial telephone calls to > most parts of the country direct. > Thus far, the new direct system [rip in clipping lost some words] can > be placed in operation [another rip] in the New Jersey city. > HISTORIC NUMBER > Their Mayor will be given his history-making companion's number -- > LAkehurst 3-9727 -- but before ringing that up on his phone he will > spin out 4-1-5. > That is the code number for the Oakland area, good for dialing any > phone in Alameda, Albany, El Cerrito, El Sobrante, Emeryville, > Hayward, Oakland, Richmond, San Leandro, San Lorenzo, and San Pablo. > [I'll interject here: Based on my reading of the phone directories > from this period, the core "East Bay" area extended from El Cerrito, > just to the south of Richmond, to San Leandro. I'm not sure what would > have been considered local to Richmond or San Pablo; similarly, what > would have been local to San Lorenzo and Hayward.] > Similarly, the area code number for the San Francisco area is > [missing]-8 [is this 3-1-8? I'll have to check the microfilms]; for > Sacramento, it is 9-1-6; for New York it is 1-1; for Chicago, it is > 3-1-2. Indeed, the San Francisco "West Bay" area (including north of the Golden Gate area) was dialed from Englewood NJ with 318, not 415, in this 1951 original customer long distance dialing plan. The reason that the East Bay was dialed from Englewood with 415 (the ultimate area code for the entire Bay area until the East Bay split off initially to 510 in 1991) while the West Bay (San Francisco) was dialed from Englewood with 318, is not really stated anywhere. It couldn't be that there were "duplicate" NNX central office codes/ names/letters in use in the entire Bay area, since "cross-bay" calls had already been dialed as just 2L-5N and continued to be dialed as such for many years to come (I assume until 510 split off for the East Bay, split from 415 in 1991). The only explanation that has been given by some is that AT&T wanted a more discrete way to identify each side of the Bay for both customer reference purposes, as well as for more discrete routing and rating purposes. Both sides of the Bay had their own tandem or toll switches, and I only assume that Englewood's toll switch or local No.5 Crossbar needed an upfront way to identify the East Bay (415) from the West Bay (318) up-front, to then route the call directly to the Oakland tandem (415) vs. the San Francisco tandem (318). This was only a temporary measure, and I wonder if it might have really been possible to dial either area code for either side of the Bay when dialing from Englewood NJ back then. Official Bell System area code maps I've seen from the early 1950s make no mention of 318 at all. These maps show only 415 for all of northern central California along the Pacific Coast. Of course, only the metropolitan Bay area was intended to be customer dialed from Englewood in 1951. While area codes date back to the late 1940s and there was a developed and continued developing area code format throughout the 1950s, most of them were used only by operators at the time, while customer originated DDD was slowly growing as well as the number of locations which could be dialed by such customers with DDD. 318 was NOT listed as one of the original 1947 area codes, neither. I don't know when Bell actually reclaimed it from use from Englewwod NJ customers. I don't even know if the experiment at Englewood NJ beginning November 1951 even had any official "end date". If customer-originated long distance dialing from Englewood NJ continued on without any interruption, by 1953 or so, there really wouldn't have been a need for a separate 318 from 415, since originating local and toll crossbar switching at Englewood would have had more recent upgraded translations equipment to be able to determine East Bay vs. West Bay by analyzing the entire 415-NNX code as dialed by the customer, instead of analyzing only the three-digit area code up-front needing to determine East Bay vs. West Bay upfront by 415 vs. 318. But by 1957, AT&T assigned 318 to northern, central, south-central, and southwestern Louisiana, splitting from 504. And 318 is now just northern Louisiana, since 337 split from 318 in 1999 for south-central and south- western Louisiana. - Anthony Bellanga ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:09:30 PDT From: ana <anadyomene123@yahoo.com> Subject: Vintage "Pen Register"? Hello, Patrick - I know you must get Way Too Much email so I will be brief ... what might be done with a 40-50-year-old Pen Register, designed for use in a step-by-step central office? I have one ... seems like perhaps it should be a museum item or such-like? It seems to be in Extremely Nice Condition and has the paper roll to go with it. Curious Regards, ana in alabama [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A telephone museum (like the one in Oregon) might be a good home, or perhaps one of our readers with an interest in such devices might contact you and ask to purchase it. There are some readers here who maintain old SxS equipment, mainly for their own amusement, and I am certain one or more of those folks might like it for use as a recorder of the numbers people call who check out their personal exhibits, etc. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly to telecomm- unications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, Yahoo Groups, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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